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I had a dream...

scary, almost too real

by: jujujellybean

The other night, I had a dream I was in a cafeteria with my aunt's liberal friends, all of which I knew except for one. We were just sitting there by a table and they started going through this bag of clothes I had with me, for some odd reason. Anyways, they found my "Charge Tiller" shirt that I truly do have.
They immediately started making fun of me, and proceeded to tell me that Tiller worked in that very building, just one floor up from where we were sitting. They dared me to go up and talk to him, after they did. I agreed.
They went in first. Telling him how great he was, what a great heart he had, he deserved to be honored in some way, yadayadayada. Then they came out, and laughed and taunted me about opposing him. I walked in.
His office was a little room, tiny actually, with just a curtain for a door. He was sitting at a desk, which nearly took up the whole room. And Tiller himself? Hideous. He was old looking, with stringy hair and a big nose, long, bony fingers he was drumming together with cruel, evil, black eyes. He was tall and gangly without anything nice looking about him. And his eyes...awful. It's hard for me to remember them without shuddering.
He had a mean smile on his face, like something ready to pounce and kill, with the victim having no way to escape. He said something like "So, you don't agree with what I do?" I responded that no, I thought it was awful how he killed babies the way he did. He simply laughed, no, more like cackled. I couldn't stand to be in that tiny room with him. He was freaky, so we went outside it and stood and talked. He laughed at every thing I said, about babies, about justice, whatever it was, he thought it was funny. His eyes never changed. Finally I just gave up and said, "Remember this: if we can't even protect the most innocent members of society, then who is safe? Then, he simply stared with those evil eyes.
I returned to my aunt's friends to find they laughing at me and taunting me as before, and saying how he so won, like it was a competition. After a little bit of that, I woke up.
I realized when I woke up in the middle of the night that that's how he looks, on the inside. Years of killing have taken their toll on the man. He is heartless. And those eyes...I don't think I will ever forget them.

reply from: sheri

JuJu, your awsome you even defend the babies in your sleep!
Say the St Michel prayer before bed at night, and your guardian angel prayer, this is a spiritual battle.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

There is video of Mr. Tiller discussing late term abortion with questioning students. The quality is really poor because the undercover supporters of life were secretly filming his responses. Tiller appears to be a middle aged man who has put on a few pounds. He seemed a little slow and not one likely to pounce. He seemed normal/average in both appearance and demeanor and might not stick out as an individual who crushes kids heads in.

reply from: cracrat

I don't understand. Who or what is Tiller? Someone please enlighten me. If I put it into Google, it comes up with a bunch of stuff which I can't believe would earn your ire.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

He crushes the heads of kids in. He was one of very few who does late term abortions. He sucks the brains out of 8 month old preborn children and collapses their skulls so they can be removed from the mother's body.

reply from: GratiaPlena

George Tiller is a major abortionist who works in Wichita, KS. Currently, he is on trial for performing numerous late term abortions. He has performed thousands of legal abortions.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

That's true. Dr. Tiller kills kids. He is known as "Tiller the Killer". He specializes in late term abortions; which many abortionists don't do. He specializes in crushing in the skulls of little children.

reply from: yoda

Here is a link to it, for those of you with a strong stomach. Please note that in the early part of this video, graphic images of aborted babies are displayed on a movie screen at the front of the audience.
So much for any objections to the use of those images.
http://www.studentsforlife.org/

reply from: Smurfy

I had a dream that I was a cupcake.
I was delicious!

reply from: yoda

Just out of curiosity Smurfy, do you eat dead babies?

reply from: cracrat

Found him on Wikipedia. Horrible man. It says that he performed the late term abortions to alleviate temporary stress.The latest an abortion can be performed in the UK is currently 24 weeks (it's being reviewed at the moment), past this point the only situation in which it is acceptable is when it would kill the mother to bring the child to term. I assume there are similar limits in the US which vary from state to state. What excuses for performing an abortion can a doctor give that will be accepted by the medical authorities?
Is what Rachelle Shannon did to him acceptable and/or right?
If Christin Gilbert had Down's, how did she give informed consent?

reply from: Smurfy

Certainly not. Do you?

reply from: yoda

So far he's gotten by with doing very late term abortions so a woman could go to a concert, and a prom. How do you like those excuses grab you?
You'll have to ask her why she did it to judge that.
She didn't. Her parents gave it "for her". Tiller owns at least half of the politicians in Kansas, the half that's on top.

reply from: yoda

Certainly not. Do you?
No, I try to save them.
But you seem to find this issue so funny that I thought perhaps you might be thinking of aborted babies as a "food issue".

reply from: Smurfy

I haven't expressed any humour.
I simply shared my dream about being a cupcake.
I fail to see the connection.

reply from: cracrat

So far he's gotten by with doing very late term abortions so a woman could go to a concert, and a prom. How do you like those excuses grab you?
I wasn't specifically refering to Tiller. He seems to use the excuse of alleviating temporary stress, which I don't believe would be accepted here. What other excuses would American authorities accept?

reply from: yoda

And said that you were "delicious"....... and that wasn't supposed to be funny?

reply from: yoda

Under the supreme court Doe v Bolton decision, just about any old excuse can be cited as "justification" for a late term abortion. The term of art is "health", and Doe said that included such things as "temporary depression", or even the "possibility" of such. It's a wide enough exception to drive a truck (lorry) through.

reply from: Smurfy

And said that you were "delicious"....... and that wasn't supposed to be funny?
It was an integral part of the dream.
Being delicious.
As the majority of cupcakes are, in my experience.

reply from: 4given

Juju- he is that man in your dream! From the first image I had the misfortune to view- there is something (obviously) so dark and wicked about him. I have had dreams as well. None of them have Tiller in them (thank You Lord), but this morning I had a dream I was in an exam room where a female Dr. was performing an abortion. As she checked the woman, a tiny little body emerged. The baby was still alive and placed on the table- I was screaming "Give it to me! I want her. She is alive- give her to me.." The rest of the dream I was trying to get away with the baby that they wanted back to finish off.. I believe that dreams are often a revelation of what God is asking us to do.. I have yet to piece together that dream, except to say that I can imagine some of the very pregnant women going into Tiller's clinic, much like in the pictures posted on Tiller Watch- how frustrating and painful it must be for the protesters who witness it. How much more of this is God going to take? I imagine His deep sorrow and anger. We have to join together in prayer and fasting. We need to pray for our judges and government. We need to pray daily to end the abortion holocaust. Hopefully you won't be having further Tiller nightmares- I can't help but to wonder how many babes- still alive had to look into his eyes for the first and final time on earth..

reply from: AshMarie88

I've never had a dream about that. And it's a bit off the same topic but the other night I had a dream that one of my cousins (that I haven't seen in ages), got pregnant with twins and she planned to abort them. I somehow found out and stopped her in time, showed her websites and stuff. This same cousin in real life, has 2 kids of her own.

reply from: sander

And said that you were "delicious"....... and that wasn't supposed to be funny?
Suppose to be funny or not, it's about as sick as one can get.
This one needs meds. asap

reply from: yoda

Ah, the "dreaded complication", a baby born alive when an abortion is being attempted. Now, a woman dying during an abortion isn't such a big deal to them, but a baby being born alive IS THE "dreaded complication".

reply from: Smurfy

I'm glad I'm here to point out your outrageous LIES.
That is a LIE.
By your own admission, (and the US private health system) a woman needs to pay for this procedure. She can't do that if she is dead.
So either you say that PP isn't the money grubbing org that you paint it to be (which you all do so often) or you say that they are some kind of cult obsessed with killing babies.
Considering how the USA deals with cults (bradley tanks and flamethrowers) I'd say that the general populace doesn't consider abortion to be 'terrorism' or 'genocide' or 'wholesale slaughter'.
Face it, you're just wrong. You're bent out of psychological shape by your ex aborting and you can't let it go.
See a counselor - or better yet, a psychologist.

reply from: yoda

You poor, sick little puppy..... most abortuaries make them pay UP FRONT, so a few deaths here and there don't matter.
Is that how you came to be the well adjusted baby killer you are?

reply from: jujujellybean

Yes, that would be so scary. In my dream, he was freaky. The way he laughed so easily at my comments about the poor babies was just totally without remorse. He didn't care. And I am sure that he is really like that, too.
I have had another dream, where I was talking to one of my friend's mom's about it. I used the same argument that I had with Tiller. "If we can kill the most innocent members of our society, then who is safe?" That is all I remember from the whole dream, though I somehow knew I had been arguing with her before that. Funny thing was, that she is really pro life, I think. I haven't ever really talked to her about it, and I know she isn't totally into the whole thing. I don't know...

reply from: jujujellybean

What the heck was that? Would that be called evading? Or in need of learning how to stay on topic...???

reply from: Smurfy

If they are innocent, then don't they go straight to heaven and eternal paradise?

reply from: yoda

You mean like an innocent BORN Christian would?
HOW does that justify killing, smurfy?
Or do you think it justifies killing all "good Christians"?

reply from: jujujellybean

Yes, Tiller is a horrible man. To me, he is about as much of a doctor as I am a flute.
In terms of excuses, after 18 weeks in Kansas, the 'doctors' have to have a specific reason to have the abortion, because the baby would be viable. Tiller just said to heck with the rules and on several sheets didn't give a reason. Of course, he keeps getting let off the hook because of our biased system, but even he himself has admitted to illegal activity. The guy's a nut case. Not many people debate that, on either side.
Oh, reasons may include the mother would die, and perhaps even the child would have severe defects or a disease. Horrible, I know.
Of course what Rachelle Shannon did was wrong. I'm not saying that because he kills, we should be able to kill him. Sure, he has killed hundreds more people than she EVER will, but I would never condone what she did.

reply from: jujujellybean

This is just too ridiculous. Are you just trying to be stupid? Please tell me this is an act? I am not trying to be funny!!!!

reply from: yoda

Something worth noting about what she did is that she could've easily killed him if she'd tried to, but instead she simply tried to cripple his hands. I think she just wanted to stop him from killing any babies that day, and she did that. Unfortunately, he was right back at it the next day.

reply from: Smurfy

No more ridiculous than dreaming about someone you have never met or seen.
Most often I dream I'm in a high-rise city with a spider-man like grapple hook and I can 'fly' anywhere.
The cupcake was a one off - unless you count my bakery dreams (my uncle owns a bakery).

reply from: faithman

No more ridiculous than dreaming about someone you have never met or seen.
Most often I dream I'm in a high-rise city with a spider-man like grapple hook and I can 'fly' anywhere.
The cupcake was a one off - unless you count my bakery dreams (my uncle owns a bakery).
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: Smurfy

No more ridiculous than dreaming about someone you have never met or seen.
Most often I dream I'm in a high-rise city with a spider-man like grapple hook and I can 'fly' anywhere.
The cupcake was a one off - unless you count my bakery dreams (my uncle owns a bakery).

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I had a dream abortion was illegal and I ended up being forced to give birth to Stewie Griffin, who promptly killed me and shouted "Victory is mine!". That's what happens when you fall asleep watching Family Guy. I also fell on my wedding cake and got raspberry filling all over my dress. Kind of weird considering I don't even like raspberries.

reply from: faithman

WELL.. we all know why http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I always have dreams where people chase me and another girl around school with a weapon trying to kill us and then we end up being chased in some funeral home with salmon colored furniture, walls, rugs.
Have you ever had a dream so real you thought it really happened? And you mention it and people are like "wtf?"

reply from: faithman

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: ProInformed

I see that many have already responded to your question as to who Tiller is.
I just want to add that he has so little disregard for the health/safety of the women he performs abortions on that at one time (don't know if he still does) he was using rooms in a Days Inn motel as a substitute for the women being properly monitored in a medical facility during the 'recovery' immediately after the abortion.
As another poster already stated the Supreme Court case of Roe v Wade said the states could (try to) pass legislation to protect unborn babies from being killed by abortion during the third trimester of pregnancy... unless the 'health' of the mother was the reason for the abortion (NOT the 'life' of the mother - just the 'health'). On the same day as Roe v Wade another U.S. Supreme Court decision called Doe v Bolton defined the maternal 'health' excuse to abort to be so expanded that even such things as relationship, career, financial, emotional... whatever... health reasons, could be used to justify third trimester abortions.
(BTW, while MOST people have heard of Roe v Wade, very few know about Doe v Bolton even though both decisions were made on the same day...)
The abortion industry and the media pretend that when pro-lifers introduce legislation to try to stop the killing of babies in the third trimester that we are supposedly in favor of women dying in order to save the life of babies... There is a pretense that ALL such abortions are done to save the LIFE of the mother... that her PHYSICAL HEALTH is in danger unless the baby is killed.
Also, the woman buying the abortion and the abortionist selling the abortion are the only ones who get any say in whether or not the abortion is 'needed' for maternal 'health' reasons.
And since women in the U.S. do not have the patient protection right of informed consent when it comes to abortion (another legislative effort pro-lifers are involved in) there are many tragic cases when women who did NOT want to abort their babies were lied to by doctors and told they had to abort for medical reasons related to either maternal or fetal health... only to find out too late that the abortion was not really medically required. Doctors are worried about lawsuits if they do NOT talk the woman into aborting when there is even the slightest possibility of complications AND they know that the lack of true informed consent rights regarding abortion protects them (the doctors) from lawsuit. The following link explains this problem in more detail:
http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9603/articles/goodwin.html

Pro-lifers have also sponsored legislation to at least protect babies from abortion once they become viable. But allowing the abortionist to be the one who determines how far along the pregnancy is and/or whether or not the baby is viable, based on whatever criteria he chooses ($$$), won't save many babies. And as long as pretty much anything can be used as a 'health' excuse even viable babies won't be safe from abortion.

reply from: ProInformed

This dream will make more sense to you when you come out of the denial stage of PAS. I spent a decade devotedly defending abortion. When the denial ended and I learned and dealt with the truth I had to put all of my wedding photos away for a while...
Also, it further confirms that you have bought into the lie that babies are the enemy of women and women's rights.

reply from: jujujellybean

How is it ridiculous? I think about Tiller a lot and all the awful stuff he does. Everyone knows what he does. Are you trying to defend him? You are fighting a losing battle. He himself admitted to illegal activity in a video. So give it up, won't work!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

This dream will make more sense to you when you come out of the denial stage of PAS. I spent a decade devotedly defending abortion. When the denial ended and I learned and dealt with the truth I had to put all of my wedding photos away for a while...
Also, it further confirms that you have bought into the lie that babies are the enemy of women and women's rights.
Hate to burst your bubble, but PAS doesn't exist.

reply from: faithman

This dream will make more sense to you when you come out of the denial stage of PAS. I spent a decade devotedly defending abortion. When the denial ended and I learned and dealt with the truth I had to put all of my wedding photos away for a while...
Also, it further confirms that you have bought into the lie that babies are the enemy of women and women's rights.
Hate to burst your bubble, but PAS doesn't exist.
But it doesn't change http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: Smurfy

A shame you gave up so quickly.
Too hard for you, I'm guessing.

reply from: faithman

A shame you gave up so quickly.
Too hard for you, I'm guessing.
You could be right!! http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: faithman

All who declare Faithman champion of the womb child, and smurfy lower than pond scum...http://]http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: Smurfy

*Tumbleweed blows through*

reply from: faithman

Smurfy, kiss my http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby10.html

reply from: Smurfy

How is it ridiculous? I think about Tiller a lot and all the awful stuff he does. Everyone knows what he does. Are you trying to defend him? You are fighting a losing battle. He himself admitted to illegal activity in a video. So give it up, won't work!
Re-read: "no more ridiculous than...".
Dreams are random neuron firings in your brain during R.E.M sleep. They are ALL ridiculous. From the frightening ones to the incredibly surreal (like being a cupcake).

reply from: jujujellybean

I am not totally a science geek, but when you think about stuff a lot it will show up in dreams. I mean, someone who has never heard of Tiller would NOT have a dream about him. Stuff like cupcakes and all, anybody could get, we all have that association. But I doubt someone in Japan wakes up screaming "I had a dream about Tiller!"

reply from: 4given

I disagree. My sister has prophetic dreams, as does my son. She shared many of her revelations years prior to their happenings. I have seen the face and bodies of many in my dreams as a child, while pure in heart. I have experienced troubling and painful events by the forces recognized in my dreams as a child. I suspect that some have drempt of Tiller, just as you did. God has commanded an army to spring forth into action. God wants to awaken a generation to the wickedness we, as a nation have allowed. He will use dreams to capture our attention.

reply from: Smurfy

So we agree that there is nothing ridiculous about a cupcake dream, since it's something 'anybody could get'.
You may retract your earlier statement when ready.

reply from: Faramir

I find it hard to believe anyone would dream of being a cupcake.

reply from: Smurfy

It's the result of watching Invader Zim; there's an episode with a cupcake reference, where a robot has a cupcake inside its cranium.
Clearly the random firing of neurons in my sleeping brain connected the idea of a 'cupcake brain' with the concept of self.
I've dreamed of far odder things.
Of crawling through a maze made of brown felt couches - searching for magical crowbars with goblins pursuing me, of fridges on robotic legs running across the Arctic ice - hunting Eskimos down, of a warlock living inside a hollowed out giant's arm - still dripping with blood, of being inside an elevator that constricted in size as it went higher and ended up crushing me to death, of finding a myriad of secret passages underneath my workplace which connected it to all other buildings in the world, of being a dragon, of being a unicorn, of a skeletal man made of graphite lines chasing me through a wooden maze built around a lake, etc, etc.
I have an active imagination, obviously.

reply from: jujujellybean

Yes, I understand that too, and that is also true. But that doesn't happen to everybody. It isn't a common occurrence, so to speak, to dream of someone you don't know about. But dreams are odd things, from God or just random. It could happen to anyone!

reply from: jujujellybean

Nope, ain't gonna happen, sorry!
I never said there wasn't anything ridiculous about it. I just said that it could've happened to anybody. Two WAY different things. Ridiculous things happen all the time, and lots are just random occurrences that could've happened to any particular person!
That doesn't make your dream any less ridiculous. So for now, I won't withdraw it.

reply from: Smurfy

I consider your dream to be utterly ridiculous (and a great deal more sick and twisted than a cupcake. Perhaps you should see a psychologist?), so the point is moot.

reply from: Skippy

I had a dream the other night that I was being force-fed cashews by Antonio Banderas. So I find the cupcake dream perfectly plausible.

reply from: Smurfy

That's kinda hawt, yet wrong at the same time.

reply from: sander

Nope, ain't gonna happen, sorry!
I never said there wasn't anything ridiculous about it. I just said that it could've happened to anybody. Two WAY different things. Ridiculous things happen all the time, and lots are just random occurrences that could've happened to any particular person!
That doesn't make your dream any less ridiculous. So for now, I won't withdraw it.
Don't pay any attention to their mocking, Juju.
Sometimes what's most in our conscience makes it's way to our dreams.
You have a passion for the unborn, some have passions for cupcakes and nuts. I'll take yours most serious anyday.

reply from: cracrat

So do you dream about people being electrocuted in the chair? Dying in agony from the lethal injection? Suffocating in the gas chamber? Wishing the hangman was better at his job as they choke at the end of a rope?

reply from: jujujellybean

Tell me, exactly, why is it utterly ridiculous???

reply from: Smurfy

Because there is no way people would actually act like that.
Wouldn't you agree?
You mind conjured up stereotypical caricatures; more than anything, it would show how you WANT these people to be, not how they actually are.

reply from: jujujellybean

Because there is no way people would actually act like that.
Wouldn't you agree?
You mind conjured up stereotypical caricatures; more than anything, it would show how you WANT these people to be, not how they actually are.
Really? Do you think Hitler ever looked like that? Or stalin? What about Lenin? Sometimes, evil can be so blinding that you just go a little crazy.
I don't want Tiller to kill. Or to be that way. But he is. It's reality. Just like the babies being killed!

reply from: Smurfy

You're delusional if you think Dr. Tiller actually behaves the way he did in your dream. It was a dream. Fiction. Not reality.
If you cannot fathom that, then I strongly suggest you get some psychiatric help.

reply from: jujujellybean

I'm not saying he did. Did I say that?
I know it was a dream, thank you, the topic is "I had a dream."
My point is, killers act weird, and he is one. Even you admitted he kills babies when you said it kills a human.

reply from: Smurfy

You asked what made your dream ridiculous.
I told you that it was the behaviour displayed in the dream.
I then stated that if you think Tiller behaves like that, then you are delusional.
Are you?
Are we on the same page here?

reply from: jujujellybean

as far as I know, no. I guess we will just disagree on this. I don't think my dream was odd in the least, but not random either.

reply from: sheri

Tillers behavior in real life is even more bizare then anyone could dream, he once took a 2nd trimester baby he had aborted out to where the lifers on the sidewalk could see him and threw the dead baby on a grill, the cops were called and did nothing, just like a nightmare.
He kills babies fo a living, you think he is going to act normal?

reply from: Skippy

Could you point me to a reliable source to verify this claim? A news story, or perhaps a site where someone scanned the police report? (No links to anti-choice sites, please. I said "reliable.")

reply from: yoda

Ah, the old impossible assignment....... find Skippy-poo a "non anti-choice" source for a story that the police would not touch with a ten foot pole. Yeah, sure......

reply from: 4given

Wow! I have not read that. What a twisted, evil being. How horrifying it must have been to bear witness to such degradation!
It is a wonder he can sleep at night. I hope his moments of rest are haunted by the many souls he has slaughtered. He will have his day and I pray for justice on earth as well as eternally.

reply from: Smurfy

I'm not surprised you haven't, because it's an outright fabrication.
I heard that the leaders of the pro-life movement ather to have orgies in hotels, smoke crack and meth while chanting black mass, killing virgins on altars and interfering with goats.
This is totally true. Even though the cops never reported anything.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Ah, the old impossible assignment....... find Skippy-poo a "non anti-choice" source for a story that the police would not touch with a ten foot pole. Yeah, sure......
Fine, how about you just give us a source? Any source? I can check the validity from there

reply from: JasonFontaine

A nightmare to be sure.
Ever find this ironic?
Pure innocence comes from the newborn.
Those that literally rip this from our lives are therefore
PURE EVIL.
It's that simple.
I've always wondered why we cannot pass legilsation putting a "cap" on abortion prices and how many one doctor can perform????
Take the money out of the equation - and lots of these doctors who know better may have a different opinion.
Let's say they can charge no more than $50 - and have no more than 500....
The Dr's would quickly "find" a way to make abortions happen less and less...
Pure innocence - what a shame!

reply from: sander

All good points.
Especially boiling it down to it's most fundamental elelment: PURE EVIL!
Welcome, btw.

reply from: carolemarie

This dream will make more sense to you when you come out of the denial stage of PAS. I spent a decade devotedly defending abortion. When the denial ended and I learned and dealt with the truth I had to put all of my wedding photos away for a while...
Also, it further confirms that you have bought into the lie that babies are the enemy of women and women's rights.
Hate to burst your bubble, but PAS doesn't exist.
It's a bit extreme of you to tell me that my feelings and reaction to abortion are not valid because you don't experience the same thing.
Thousands of women don't enter abortion recovery groups each year if PASS didn't exist.
Perhaps you should say you don't suffer from it. You don't speak for all women.

reply from: carolemarie

Something worth noting about what she did is that she could've easily killed him if she'd tried to, but instead she simply tried to cripple his hands. I think she just wanted to stop him from killing any babies that day, and she did that. Unfortunately, he was right back at it the next day.
Maybe she just missed....She tried to harm him, at that was as evil as what Tiller does.

reply from: Teresa18

You are still in your bubble of abortion propaganda. It does.
Read my posts on this thread. I provide a lot of information about it and the other effects of abortion. I have a recent article from the Royal College changing their position on abortion, now saying it can cause mental distress.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=2608&enterthread=y

Check out these two sites where women post who are struggling from having an abortion. They are also cited in the linked thread above.
http://afterabortion.com/forums/index.php
http://www.safehavenministries.../tabid/88/Default.aspx

reply from: Smurfy

You are still in your bubble of abortion propaganda. It does.
Read my posts on this thread. I provide a lot of information about it and the other effects of abortion. I have a recent article from the Royal College changing their position on abortion, now saying it can cause mental distress.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=2608&enterthread=y
">http://www.prolifeamerica.com/...8&enterthread=y
Check out these two sites where women post who are struggling from having an abortion. They are also cited in the linked thread above.
http://afterabortion.com/forums/index.php
http://www.safehavenministries.../tabid/88/Default.aspx
And how many of these women are Christian (of whatever denomination?)
Indoctrinated guilt is NOT the equivalent of PAS.
It is a construct, Flase. Brought on by worship of a false deity.
Yes, if a woman is weak enough, you can fool her into guilt trip.
Strong women remain strong.

reply from: yoda

No, she was at point blank range, and shot him once in each arm. That doesn't sound like a "miss" to me, but think what you will. I will reserve judgment on this woman's actions, because I don't know her and I can't read her mind. Can you?

reply from: jujujellybean

not to cause a controversy or anything, but if we can't judge her actions how can we judge any killers actions either? We can't read their minds. Not implying she is a killer, just wondering.

reply from: Teresa18

You must not have read the links.
PASS, which is in the linked PLA thread is a neutral site. I also gave you a link to their forum.
Safe Haven Ministries is open to all post-abortive women, not just Christian.
Interesting quote, "Strong women remain strong". You, as have others like Lolita here, show complete disregard for the woman that regrets an abortion. You guys claim to be so pro-woman, but you put down women that regret their abortions.

God is not a myth. You want God to be a myth. You want it more than anything because if God is a myth, then you can live however you want. The only accountability you have is to yourself and the government. If God exists, then you can't live exactly how you want. You have to follow his rules.

reply from: Faramir

On another board I was once contacted by someone who on the board was very prochoice and didn't regret her abortion. But in her PM to me, she asked if I knew of any places she could go for counselling, because she was beginning to have some terrible feelings about her abortion. She didn't want anything to do with religion, though, so she asked if I knew of a place where there would not be a religious angle. I recommended "Rachel's Vineyard" as a starting point, even though I think it uses a religious approach, but I don't know for sure or how they work, but I'm hoping she eventually got some help. She was definately not guilted into her regret by Christians.

reply from: Smurfy

Politically neutral does not equal religiously neutral.
But it is Christian.
Hence my point.
Wrong.
If a woman feels guilt about her abortion, I'll assist her to get through the pain and remorse. I love it when you try and paint us as inhuman monsters, then fail.
Sorry, but there are too many contradictions and zero evidence of this God creature existing.
*Looks up* What do you know...no lightening bolts.
You're another one fooled into that idea that atheists want to live horrible, immoral debaucherous lives. If we believe that this is our only life and everyone else's only life, then we would want to live in a manner where everyone has the best chance to achieve their goals in the safest manner, with the longest life possible.
Regardless of God existing or not, the vast percentage of us are still going to live a normal life, respecting other people. Not doing so reduces your chances of a long life and is therefore the wrong thing to do, since your single life will be cut short.
God 'fearing' people are simply greedy and want more than a single life.
Fortunately for you, when you die, you'll be dead and you won't know that you never went to Heaven. A small mercy, but a good one.

reply from: jujujellybean

what about all the miracles? do you just forget them? what about this woman, right now, who is in Ireland and has been to Heaven and Purgatory? She wrote this book, and is making NO MONEY from it; she didn't even put her last name on the book. She is simply doing it because God told her too. She isn't profiting, in fact, she is probably losing money. Do you think she's crazy? I don't! What about the thousands of miracles? Do you think ALL those people are crazy? That seems pretty far fetched to me!
There is a woman at out church, I think, that died for a short time. she went before Jesus and Mary and they told her they were going to let her live more, it wasn't her time yet. This may have been in a book I read, but i am pretty sure it was a lady at our church. I know the event happened, just not exactly to who.


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