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Rape and abortion: One woman's amazing story.

by: AshMarie88

I'm still crying over this, this is pretty amazing. This woman is incredibly brave, loving, and I can't come up with any other better words than amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OW-TugwhoU

She was raped... was subscribed the morning after pill and she took it... It didn't work. Then she found out she was pregnant and had the baby, and raised her. But her husband left her, and altho that was horrible, she still loves her life. She even adopted an older child. And her daughter is beautiful.
God works many wonders, and this is one of them! I hope you all watch this, it's worth it! I promise.

reply from: Smurfy

God has nothing to do with it.
She did this herself.

reply from: NewMom

Oh Smurfy I have no words for you. I can only shake my head at you. Wait... I have words. She did this to herself??? DID SHE ASK FOR IT?? Because she lived in a dangerous neighbourhood, she brought this upon herself? She asked to be tied up and raped at knifepoint? Why would you even say something so ignorant!
How does a woman deal with something like that... strength on the inside, and strength and faith with God. The morning after pill failed... she was so hurt from what happened and she felt trapped. Her words moved me, "There was no other option, and she let go of this desire for control." Look at the little girl - she is gorgeous. Heather's husband truly never loved her and appreciated her strength - he may have stood by her through the worst part (the rape) but couldn't still commit to the wedding vows he took. Sad. But this woman is happy and found forgiveness within herself and she does not assosciate her daughter with the rape.
Her daughter knows what happened to her, and she feels saddened because of what happened to her mother, but she knows that if it hadn't happened, that little girl wouldn't be in this world. As much of a violation it was, like the woman says "Heather discovered the secret, its forgiveness.. Forgiveness has nothing to do with covering the deed that's been done; it doesn't make it ok. Its something that happens between you and God. You don't feel great about it but your just willing to be obedient and do the right thing."
Freedom of forgiveness is the key.

reply from: cracrat

I once heard a story of a girl in Ireland who had been raped and fell pregnant. She asked all sorts of people for advice, including her priest. He advice was that the rape was a situation in which she had lost control. In choosing to carry the baby to term, possibly to give it up for adoption, she would be regaining some control of the situation. Regaining control in such a fashion would help the healing process.
Sadly she travelled to Britain to have the procedure, but it's a powerful argument anyway.

reply from: NewMom

Fell pregnant? Like I fell and scraped my knee?

reply from: cracrat

Fell pregnant? Like I fell and scraped my knee?
LMAO.
You guys are so determined to paint me as a pariah, you've begun to find fault where there really isn't any. At least Yodavatar and Sander appear to think about their responses to me before posting.
*still laughing*

reply from: AshMarie88

Wow... all these pro-abortion people are always so negative. They hate the fact a woman could actually be strong enough to keep her baby despite the fact of being violated! I mean seriously, what is your damn problem all?

reply from: NewMom

I only have a problem when people talk about pregnancy like its something you catch or come down with, or something that woman over there "fell with". The whole little story was contradicting, cause here cracrat is saying the woman overcame everything and had the baby, then from my understanding in the jarble after "retaining control in such a fashion to help the healing process" she "Sadly travelled to Britain to have the procedure" (which i assume "procedure"=abortion) so what's your point cracrat? That its ok to have an abortion? As long as you cared initially? And then its easier to control the healing process???
Please do clarify!

reply from: cracrat

When people talk about banning abortion, one of the caveats that most people include is to allow access for pregnancies arising from rape. My point was, as an extension to the original post, that by not having an abortion, a rape victim would be able to take control of a situation in which they had initially lost control and so help there own healing process.

reply from: sander

Old smurfy likes to blame God when it's convient then when it suits his purpose God doesn't have anything to do with it.
If you shake your head at him/her everytime he/she posts, you'll get dizzy each and every time.
Your response to him was fabulous all the same.

reply from: NewMom

I'm mainly dizzy at people's harsh dehumanization of pregnancy. Maybe its all still a little fresh for me, but it makes me believe even stronger that a fetus/child/baby in the womb is in fact still a child.

reply from: sander

From the beginning they had to de-humanize the child, they didn't stand a chance of getting their murderous laws passed if society continued to view the womb child as a child.
Who'd be for killing such defensless human beings??? It goes against all that is decent and FAIR!
Before Hitler could lay a hand on a Jew he first had to dehumanize them and the others he sent to the gallows.
The proaborts are following in all the evil footstepts that have gone before.

reply from: faithman

Abortion is the only crime where the child is exicuted for the crime of his/her father. How can anyone say that is fair?

reply from: sander

Nobody with a working conscience can say it's fair.
And the proborts wonder why we view them as baby killers. Go figure.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Newmom-
I think she meant she got through everything on her own, not that it was her fault she got raped.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Excuse you? Who the hell do you think you are generalizing every one of us? As a feminist, I think it is amazing she could do that. You really need to grow up and stop generalizing everyone you disagree with.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

From the beginning they had to de-humanize the child, they didn't stand a chance of getting their murderous laws passed if society continued to view the womb child as a child.
Who'd be for killing such defensless human beings??? It goes against all that is decent and FAIR!
Before Hitler could lay a hand on a Jew he first had to dehumanize them and the others he sent to the gallows.
The proaborts are following in all the evil footstepts that have gone before.
It is realy sickening you are comparing aborting a first trimester fetus to the people who actually suffered in the Holocaust. Do you not have any respect for the people who died and survived?

reply from: Smurfy

"Did this TO herself"?
I said no such thing.
I was talking about her courage, drive, optimism and dedication which got her through all the hard times.
She did it herself! On her own personal strengths.

reply from: Smurfy

The problem is when people attribute the achievement to God, not the woman herself.
Can't she get the kudos for doing this on her own, instead of cheapening her struggle by saying "God is awesome for doing this!"

reply from: carolemarie

That was a wonderful life affirming story! She is very brave!
Thanks for posting the link!
Carolemarie

reply from: faithman

The problem is when people attribute the achievement to God, not the woman herself.
Can't she get the kudos for doing this on her own, instead of cheapening her struggle by saying "God is awesome for doing this!"
It is you who cheapens the miracle of life by ignoring God. Other wise you would not advocate destroying His image in the womb. But He has a mill stone that will fit your neck quite nicely I suspect.

reply from: faithman

From the beginning they had to de-humanize the child, they didn't stand a chance of getting their murderous laws passed if society continued to view the womb child as a child.
Who'd be for killing such defensless human beings??? It goes against all that is decent and FAIR!
Before Hitler could lay a hand on a Jew he first had to dehumanize them and the others he sent to the gallows.
The proaborts are following in all the evil footstepts that have gone before.
It is realy sickening you are comparing aborting a first trimester fetus to the people who actually suffered in the Holocaust. Do you not have any respect for the people who died and survived?
It is you who has no respect for those who were concieved then snuffed out just as cold bloodedly as the Nazis did the jews. Part of Nazi torture on jewish women was forced abortion.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

In the bible, did you miss the parts where "god" advocates torturing, enslaving, and killing his "images" ? What about all of his "images" he kills himself?

reply from: faithman

He had good reason. Just as good a reason when He throws your mangey borty butt into hell.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

What are those "good" reasons?

reply from: faithman

Being God hating pagans, who burned their children in the mouth of demonic idols. Very simular to abortion.

reply from: sander

You know, kayluvsdeath, you just stepped in it big time.
You are beyond ignorant. You dare make accusations such as this without even knowing one little thing about my familarity with the holocaust.
How many family members did you lose in the holocaust? My father was Jewish and not one of his family members that remained in eastern Europe survived the holocaust. My uncles searched in vain for their remaining family members, never to see one again alive.
How many nights sleep have you lost over the fear of coming so close to being a holocaust victim? Have you ever looked at your sleeping child and thanked God that your grandfather had the foresight to leave before they came for him and his family?
So, shut your filthy mouth, and keep your self righteous pretence to know one little thing about respect for a human being to your sorry self.

reply from: yoda

I'll second that motion. All in favor?

reply from: faithman

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: GratiaPlena

Do you have any specific verses to back up that statement?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I am sorry you and your family went through that.
"So, shut your filthy mouth, and keep your self righteous pretense to know one little thing about respect for a human being to your sorry self"
I am not going to shut my mouth. It really shouldn't amaze me how egotistical and hypocritical most of you are.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, we knew that, kaylovesdeadbabies. We just wanted to fantasize for a moment.......

reply from: sander

That's just rich...you get on your stupid high horse about comparing holocaust victims to aborted babies, without having one clue as to what you're talking about...making yet another pretense to having respect for human life and yet I'm the one who is eogtistical and hypocritical.
Did you take lessons in projecting or did it come natural.

reply from: Smurfy

Do you have any specific verses to back up that statement?
Over 2 million humans killed in the bible - each apparently born/created in god's image. That's just the numbers killed in the LORD'S name. Never mind all the other *****, like children dying since they have no father to bring in an income.
The death toll produced by GOD is astronomical.

reply from: faithman

Do you have any specific verses to back up that statement?
Over 2 million humans killed in the bible - each apparently born/created in god's image. That's just the numbers killed in the LORD'S name. Never mind all the other *****, like children dying since they have no father to bring in an income.
The death toll produced by GOD is astronomical.
Which is a right He claims for Himself. You can ask Him why some day, right before he kicks your sorry behind into the bottomless pit.

reply from: Smurfy

'He' doesn't exist. Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: faithman

'He' doesn't exist. Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?
I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.

reply from: faithman

Answer the question.
I did, you just don't like the answere.

reply from: Smurfy

Answer the question.
I did, you just don't like the answere.
Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: faithman

Answer the question.
I did, you just don't like the answere.
Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: Smurfy

Was that supposed to be an answer?

reply from: faithman

I believe you are a God hating fool who asks foolish questions. I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.I believe you are a God hating fool who asks foolish questions. I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.I believe you are a God hating fool who asks foolish questions. I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.I believe you are a God hating fool who asks foolish questions. I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.I believe you are a God hating fool who asks foolish questions. I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.I believe you are a God hating fool who asks foolish questions. I believe you are a fool who has said in their heart there is no God.

reply from: Smurfy

Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: yoda

Is that who you are, smurf?

reply from: sander

Can we get a medic?
This one is off his meds.

reply from: yoda

Don't ya just love a long winded baby killer who loves to see his name on every thread?

reply from: sander

It's spring break, I think mommy needs to make him go outside and play. Fresh air might get the cobwebs out. What a total bafoon.

reply from: Smurfy

C'mon people, the IPU is just as valid as God!
Why are you denying her existence?

reply from: yoda

We already have another proabort claiming to be "God". One is enough.

reply from: sander

Isn't that what they call attention w hores...wasn't sure that word would appear.
Too bad smufy does.

reply from: yoda

Yep. And you'll notice, smurfy never, ever actually talks about abortion... it's always something else.... or a joke, or a snide comment... never about abortion. That's "taboo" to him/her.

reply from: sander

Is he about ready for the abyss...vexing and company may be getting lonley?
He's definaltey without a conscience, but guess most proaborts are.
I wasn't liking his anit-American comment either...abyss here he comes.

reply from: yoda

You have a point there.......
S/he really isn't worth reading anymore..... so it's off to iggy land...

reply from: faithman

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: Smurfy

Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: faithman

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: Smurfy

Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: faithman

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

reply from: Smurfy

Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: faithman

All who believe that smurf asks really stupid questions..http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: Smurfy

Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

reply from: xLoki

No, we hate that you assume because THIS rape victim's situation turned out okay for her in the end that ALL rape victims will magically want to have their rapists' babies. Good for this woman, honestly, if she has turned a bad situation into a good one by raising her kid, but DAMN! Would you really want to strip away any choice at all for all rape victims? A rape victim who DOES NOT WANT TO BE PREGNANT CAN FEEL LIKE SHE IS BEING RAPED ALL OVER AGAIN IF SHE IS FORCED TO CARRY A FETUS SHE HAD NO CHOICE IN CREATING IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Let them decide what is best for them in their own situations! Let them be their own judges and stay out of it.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Again, any verses? Or are you just repeating what you've heard from ignorant anti-Christians, like Kay was?

reply from: Smurfy

http://www.gospeakit.com/science/bible-body-count.html

The verses are listed with each body count.

reply from: 4given

Pray tell. Pre-Roe was there an exception for rape children? What about 3rd trimester rape babies, are those innocent lives still safe from the tools of a slaughtering hand? Aborting a child that was created through the violence of rape will not bring healing to the woman. The wound will heal with time, the scars and memory will remain.. adding abortion to the mix will cause her further pain. Abortion is forever.

reply from: Smurfy

Is not rape also forever then?

reply from: 4given

When one is raped, a part of them dies- That is not within their control. When a child is killed, an innocent victim, because of it- that does not go away. Many women regret their abortions, how much more so when they have only complicated their lives further by killing their child during a vulnerable and painful event in their life? Victims of rape need to be treated compassionately! Saying that abortion will somehow remedy the situation is not true. Do you know any women that have been raped and carried their children? Do you know any women that have been raped and became pregnant? How often does this occur?

reply from: Smurfy

Have you been raped or had an abortion?

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby15.html

reply from: xLoki

Duh. Allowing them to have control over their own bodies again is being compassionate.
No one is saying "Oh, you've been raped? Here, have an abortion. You'll feel better."
We want to give them a CHOICE. If they think they'd heal better by raising their rapist's child, they should be able to do that. If they think they'd be better off terminating their pregnancy and moving on without a constant reminder of the violation they went through, they should have the right to do that, too.
Pro-choicers (and some pro-lifers) advocate a CHOICE for rape victims. We are not demanding that all rape victims receive aborions pronto.
The statistics are hard to know considering rape is one of the most under-reported crimes there is.

reply from: carolemarie

I can say yes to both questions and abortion is just worse. Rape is an act of agression against women, but you are not the one to blame.
Abortion is an act of agression against a child, and this time you are the aggressor.
Rape isn't fatal, abortion is.
You get over being raped....those who are aborted don't get to get over it.
Need I go on to belabor the point????
Yes, it would be difficult to have the baby. It will be harder to live with the fact you are no different than the rapist.

reply from: 4given

xloki- Is there an exception in cases of rape?

reply from: faithman

All who think smurfy is an idiot..http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: Smurfy

You got over rape and didn't get over abortion.
There are people who are the opposite. There are people who don't get over either. There are people who get over both.
If rape is just like abortion, then why wouldn't they be equally easy to get over?

reply from: carolemarie

You got over rape and didn't get over abortion.
There are people who are the opposite. There are people who don't get over either. There are people who get over both.
If rape is just like abortion, then why wouldn't they be equally easy to get over?
Rape isn't just like abortion. Only a man would even assert such a thing!
Rape is someone hurting you. You are the victim.
Abortion is something you do to someone else. The baby is the victim.
That is why it is hard to get past abortion.
Rape and abortion are not the same thing at all.

reply from: Smurfy

You're the one who equated one with the other.
Do rapists get over raping people?

reply from: xLoki

I don't understand why "only a man would assert such a thing". What do you mean by that?

reply from: carolemarie

I don't know and I dont care.
I am saying that being raped sucks, but being responsible for killing a child sucks worse.
1. You get past bad things that happen to you. You are not responsible for other people bad behavior. You don't feel guilty you are a crime victim.
2. You do feel bad that you ended the life of your child. You are responsible for your own bad behavior. You don't get past something you did to someone else.

reply from: Smurfy

As I said, some people get over neither of these events. Some people get over both.
Your experience does not dictate the reactions of others.

reply from: carolemarie

I think that you are just trying to be an idiot.
Congratulations on your suceess.

reply from: xLoki

carolemarie, are you under the impression that every single person who has ever lived has the same exact thought process and/or experiences grief or any emtiona really in the same exact manner?

reply from: carolemarie


I think killing human beings is wrong. Just because a wrong has been done to you, it doesn't give you the right to do worse to someone else.
There is no good reason to kill a baby. Not even rape.
Your life is the only exception.

reply from: Smurfy

Clearly I'm not; I'm pointing out that your experiences do not speak for everyone.
You can try and evade that fact by calling me an idiot, but the fact still remains.
If I don't like strawberries but I like oranges, does that mean everyone doesn't like strawberries and likes oranges?
No it does not.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

That's just rich...you get on your stupid high horse about comparing holocaust victims to aborted babies, without having one clue as to what you're talking about...making yet another pretense to having respect for human life and yet I'm the one who is eogtistical and hypocritical.
Did you take lessons in projecting or did it come natural.
Why don't you chill out a little bit?? Speaking to me like that is not getting you anywhere.

reply from: sander

That's just rich...you get on your stupid high horse about comparing holocaust victims to aborted babies, without having one clue as to what you're talking about...making yet another pretense to having respect for human life and yet I'm the one who is eogtistical and hypocritical.
Did you take lessons in projecting or did it come natural.
Why don't you chill out a little bit?? Speaking to me like that is not getting you anywhere.
And calling me hypocritical and egotistical is getting you, where?
I don't care where "I" get, I care what happens to the babies.
Therein lies the difference between a pro-lilfer and a pro-abort.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Do you have any specific verses to back up that statement?
Over 2 million humans killed in the bible - each apparently born/created in god's image. That's just the numbers killed in the LORD'S name. Never mind all the other *****, like children dying since they have no father to bring in an income.
The death toll produced by GOD is astronomical.
Which is a right He claims for Himself. You can ask Him why some day, right before he kicks your sorry behind into the bottomless pit.
If everything in the Christian faith is true, I would rather spend an eternity in Hell than sell myself out and serve someone as cruel and proud as the guy you worship to avoid it.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Again, any verses? Or are you just repeating what you've heard from ignorant anti-Christians, like Kay was?
I repeated what I heard from preachers when I was younger and from what is in the bible.

reply from: sander

What do you even know about the Chrisitan faith? If you're taking the word of others, that's to your own peril.
I sincerely hope that your words do not come back to you, it would be a terrible end.

reply from: carolemarie

Kaylove,
God is kind and good. Even when we totally screw up everything, He has compassion on us and wants to offer us mearcy and healing and forgiveness. Whatever you have heard about Him, is wrong.
You know how the greatest thing about Tiger Woods is how great He is at golf. That is his glory--this skill to play golf. It surpasses the talent of others and he is known for his ability to play golf.
God's glory, the thing He is known for is His Goodness. He is Good. And all that atributes you would put with Good are His, like mercy, kindness and love. They are not part of His charactor, like we have parts to our charactors, but they are Him. He is totally Good. He is totally Love. He is totally Mercy.
This Good God, loves you very much....His love isn't based on your performance, or deeds. It's based on His kindness.
We don't represent Him as we should here on this board. People are mean and ugly and God never ever is.
Check Him out for yourself and see ....

reply from: 4given

You are right Carolemarie. God is awesome! I know I fall miserably short of His desire for me to be a reflection of His lovingkindness. I surely fail. He is still working on me... As you said- KAY- check Him out for yourself. It is not about another's interpretation. It is a personal relationship. He so loves and cares for you- far more than you could ever realize. He is patient. He is kind. He wants to bless and strengthen you.

reply from: xLoki

Sure, just give me His e-mail address and I'll be sure to get in touch. Psh.

reply from: 4given

Rev. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. ..

reply from: xLoki

God has never knocked on my door. And perhaps I've never heard his voice because I'm not a man?
A metaphor written in an ancient book doesn't prove anything to me.

reply from: 4given

Xloki- If anyone (man=woman) hears His voice, the door shall be opened unto you. God has always been there, you were/are too consumed with your selfish ways to acknowledge Him. I am no different, yet I seek to do as He so desires. God has a perfect will for your life, yet also a permissive will. We have freedom of choice. Should our choices include consequence? Surely. In His grace, mercy and forgiveness, we are set free of the toll and bondage of sin. You will realize. Every knee shall bow and tongue profess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You can deny Him, but He will be patient. Abortion is a dark sin. What you condone and promote is recorded as "deeds". Will your name be recorded in the Book of LIFE?

reply from: faithman

All who think xloki is a God hating fool..http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html [click blue text for results]

reply from: Skippy

God has never knocked on my door.
Mine either. But a couple of Mormon missionaries stopped by the other day. Does that count?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

What do you even know about the Chrisitan faith? If you're taking the word of others, that's to your own peril.
I sincerely hope that your words do not come back to you, it would be a terrible end.
I was actually raised in church.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I was actually raised in church. If you believe he is kind, I can respect that. But from what I learned and read from the bible, I do not think he is that nice of a guy if he exists.

reply from: sander

What do you even know about the Chrisitan faith? If you're taking the word of others, that's to your own peril.
I sincerely hope that your words do not come back to you, it would be a terrible end.
I was actually raised in church.
From what I'm understanding, late perhaps, but that you're a young girl? A teenager? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Presuming that you are young, maybe you've just not had enough time to better understand Christianity and how that relates to having a personal relationship with our Creator.
I hope you won't write it off for all time, but will stay open to the idea that there is a Creator who became your Savior and loves you deeply.
That's why I hope you're not just taking the words of others, or even their actions. God is far, far better than most will ever be able to emulate.

reply from: cracrat

What do you even know about the Chrisitan faith? If you're taking the word of others, that's to your own peril.
I sincerely hope that your words do not come back to you, it would be a terrible end.
I was actually raised in church.
From what I'm understanding, late perhaps, but that you're a young girl? A teenager? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Presuming that you are young, maybe you've just not had enough time to better understand Christianity and how that relates to having a personal relationship with our Creator.
I hope you won't write it off for all time, but will stay open to the idea that there is a Creator who became your Savior and loves you deeply.
That's why I hope you're not just taking the words of others, or even their actions. God is far, far better than most will ever be able to emulate.
Who are you to tell Kay what she must understand of the Christian faith and God? All religion is a matter of interpretation and how that interpretation relates to their life experience. Some praise the Lord for good things, others thank blind luck.
If Kay sees Christianity to be a force for greater bad than good in the world then that is her right, as defended by your constitution. In time, she may view God to be a positive force in her life, and therefore wish to take to worshipping him.
Your personal attacks of Kay will probably serve to make you a person to whom she shall not listen, and so an unsuitable teacher. You are therefore in a bad position, and have taken the completely wrong approach to try and instuct her in what is so good about your faith.

reply from: Smurfy

God has never knocked on my door.
Mine either. But a couple of Mormon missionaries stopped by the other day. Does that count?
Hell, in an apartment building. We don't even get Mormons.
I miss that. Some of the mormon guys were quite cute, in their little suits.

reply from: sander

Cracrat,
You are now on ignore, so post away at me all you want. Have a nice life.

reply from: cracrat

You too my dear, you too.

reply from: Faramir

You too my dear, you too.
I can't bear to read my own posts, so I'm ignoring myself.
I trust this will be the last time you two say that you are ignoring the other.

reply from: Smurfy

Trust me, Sander posts nothing worth reading, hence why I added Sander to ignore a while ago - you'll miss nothing.

reply from: cracrat

Trust me, Sander posts nothing worth reading, hence why I added Sander to ignore a while ago - you'll miss nothing.
Sorry, you misunderstand. I'm not ignoring her, but wishing her a happy and fruitful life. I don't run away from debate and discussion when my position becomes uncomfortable and indefensible. I listen, learn and modify my view.

reply from: nancyu

Thank you for this, ashmarie88 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OW-TugwhoU) I am at yahoo answers and there is a woman who is seeking an abortion after being raped. I'm hoping she will not do this. I included this link in my answer. I hope it helps her.
If you would like to submit an answer her question is here:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080406125603AAX1xtl&r=w#OKdcG0XdJ1NERbYyV1Rp

reply from: nancyu

I LOVE this answer, faithman. Good one!
Darn, my kids would call me a "nube" I don't know how to do that thing you know where you put the thing your replying to in the square, you know, Can someone help me be a better post-er.
Thank you.

reply from: yoda

Hit the quote button if you want to include the text you are reply to. Then put a "unquote" mark at the end of the text where you want to put your answer. You will find an "unquote" mark at the very end of the post in your reply box, it looks like this:
Then type in your answer, and look for the next text you want to reply to. When you find it, copy the "quote" marks just ahead of it. You will find them at the very top of the post in your reply box, and it starts out with a bracket and the word "quote".... (if I post the whole thing it will not show up here).
Then at the end of the second section of text, put another "unquote mark", and proceed as outlined above. That way you can show the text you are replying to in a box, and your responses in between the boxes.
Good luck.

reply from: sander

You too my dear, you too.
I can't bear to read my own posts, so I'm ignoring myself.
I trust this will be the last time you two say that you are ignoring the other.
Well, considering that was the first time I ever said it, I think you can take it to the bank.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

What do you even know about the Chrisitan faith? If you're taking the word of others, that's to your own peril.
I sincerely hope that your words do not come back to you, it would be a terrible end.
I was actually raised in church.
From what I'm understanding, late perhaps, but that you're a young girl? A teenager? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Presuming that you are young, maybe you've just not had enough time to better understand Christianity and how that relates to having a personal relationship with our Creator.
I hope you won't write it off for all time, but will stay open to the idea that there is a Creator who became your Savior and loves you deeply.
That's why I hope you're not just taking the words of others, or even their actions. God is far, far better than most will ever be able to emulate.
I am 17. From the time I could understand the bible until I was 14, I tried to push this religion on myself because I was scared to death of Hell. Until I realized Christianity was not proven, I was very angry at God. I have had enough time to realize Christianity is not for me. At least for right now.

reply from: nancyu

The problem is when people attribute the achievement to God, not the woman herself.
Can't she get the kudos for doing this on her own, instead of cheapening her struggle by saying "God is awesome for doing this!"
Pay attention, She Tried to abort her baby, It did not work. She did not do it. That is why she says "God did this"

reply from: carolemarie

The problem is when people attribute the achievement to God, not the woman herself.
Can't she get the kudos for doing this on her own, instead of cheapening her struggle by saying "God is awesome for doing this!"
Pay attention, She Tried to abort her baby, It did not work. She did not do it. That is why she says "God did this"
Now if the personhood bill had been passed, she would be tried for attempted murder! Nice.
Which is why i oppose it.

reply from: nancyu

Then type in your answer, and look for the next text you want to reply to. When you find it, copy the "quote" marks just ahead of it. You will find them at the very top of the post in your reply box, and it starts out with a bracket and the word "quote".... (if I post the whole thing it will not show up here).
Then at the end of the second section of text, put another "unquote mark", and proceed as outlined above. That way you can show the text you are replying to in a box, and your responses in between the boxes.
Good luck.
Thank you, Yodavater I think I've got it.

reply from: nancyu

The problem is when people attribute the achievement to God, not the woman herself.
Can't she get the kudos for doing this on her own, instead of cheapening her struggle by saying "God is awesome for doing this!"
Pay attention, She Tried to abort her baby, It did not work. She did not do it. That is why she says "God did this"
Now if the personhood bill had been passed, she would be tried for attempted murder! Nice.
Which is why i oppose it.
If Abortion were illegal, most women would accept this and would not attempt an abortion. I think we would tell you all ahead of time about this law, so you could adjust as necessary.
Abortion is killing a child. It is wrong. The legality of it misleads women into thinking it is the right thing to do, when it isn't. It is horrible and cowardly, and there are unlimited alternatives
This is one of the many, many reasons why I oppose abortion, and support any bill that attempts in any way to stop it, or at the very least, discourage it.

reply from: sander

Then you do that at your own peril.
You oppose it because there is someone in your mind that is more important than the child.
We're suppose to put "others" first, and if the mother can't do that for her own child how will God excuse it?
Hint: He won't.
Since God views the child in the womb as a "person", you're still stuck with some spiritual problems.
He said, BEFORE we were formed in our mother's womb, HE KNEW US.

reply from: carolemarie

I agree that abortion needs to be stopped, I just don't agree with jailing women. I think we should punish the Dr.'s, they make the money exploiting women for their own greed and they know it is killing since they see the results everyday. If they don't perform abortions women will not seek them.

reply from: yoda

And if she had succeeded, she would be charged with murder. And you oppose that, too.
You want an "open season" on unborn babies for their mothers, kind of like a hunting season for ducks or rabbits. No penalty for killing babies in or out of season, (as long as it's a "do-it-yourself abortion) it's open season all year long, right?
Wile animals are protected better than you want babies to be protected.

reply from: yoda

I think that's very true, and it's something that those who oppose criminalization overlook and/or deny.

reply from: yoda

That's a sick, sick proabort lie. In her mind, and mine, there is NOTHING more important than the life of every innocent person.

reply from: yoda

Are you forgetting about RU486, and other "do-it-yourself" abortions?

reply from: Salos

AshMarie, I like your original post. It's an amazing story of courage.


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