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by: faithman

Just got thru watching a Law and Order episode about a family that was going to abort a child because it had a genetic marker for being gay. This very liberal show is usually all for abortion, but when the child[notice they didn't use the usual euphemisms] they do everthing they can to stop the abortion. This is a major crack in the abortion crowd. For one to stay totally borthead, they must throw gays under the bus, that is if they are preborn gays. SSSSSOOOOO the question to bortheads is, does a woman have the right to choose abortion based on the genetic predisposition of being gay? How about it bortheads? Does an anti gay scanc have the right to abort based on prejudice? If you stand your ground of a woman's right to choose...........

reply from: sander

Whoa...that's quite the corner they just got themselves painted into...the proborts won't touch this with a ten foot pole.

reply from: faithman

WELL...... We are waiting bortheads...... I say all womb children should get a chance to live. Do women have the right to abort even if their "choice" is based on the fact that the child might be gay? This law and order even called it gay genocide. How about it scum bags?

reply from: carolemarie

There is no such thing as a genetic marker for being gay.

reply from: Faramir

I have seen the "bort heads" answer this brilliant stumper of a question many times.
They will simply say that they support a woman's right to abort for any reason, even if they disagree with the reason.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

"Does an anti gay scanc have the right to abort based on prejudice? "
Although I am against any type of discrimination, yes the woman does have the right and should have the right to abort if they are so stupid to think the child will be gay and sorry enough to even care. I really hate any parents who think less of their child because of their sexuality. I also wouldn't really want a person like that to raise a child.
Faithman- you really don't have any room to speak about other people's prejudices.

reply from: 4given

So the argument finally made it to primetime television.. Interesting. I saw it, as mentioned, on the Tyra Banks show. Gay men and women are typically so full of gay pride, they wouldn't want to discriminate against the next generation of homosexuals. Their issue is about equality- their rights? Am I wrong?

reply from: faithman

I am totally for the right of the womb gay to live. You have just shown prejugdice against womb gays, and passed judgement on a mom who would kill them. and you say I have not room?!!!!!! I'd say I have miles of room compared to such a hate monger as you!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

How have I shown my prejudice against "womb gays"?
"and passed judgement on a mom who would kill them."
You call pro-choicers "death scancs" and "blood-hungry". You must think less of women who have actually had an abortion, don't you? Is that not passing judgment?? I guess with you passing judgment is just "stating fact", right?
Why should I have respect for a bigot who would love their child less if they were gay?
You seem to have more hate and anger in your heart than anyone else here. So why am I a "hate-monger"?

reply from: faithman

You are the one who is for gay genocide. I would say anyone who is for genocide is a hate monger. I am against genocide. I have always been for the right to life for every human. You think a woman has the "right" to selectively kill if a gay child would inconveniance her with embarasment. Yepper, I'd say that makes you a hate monger.

reply from: jujujellybean

gay markers? What the heck? there is no such thing. That's just plain ludicrous.

reply from: faithman

But what if you are wrong? Would you be for killing based on genetic gayness, or are you for womb gay rights? You just might have to answere that one some day. The bortheads are all for gay genocide as evidenced on this thred. I'd say they would get along just fine with the Phelps family.

reply from: faithman

But what if you are wrong? Would you be for killing based on genetic gayness, or are you for womb gay rights? You just might have to answere that one some day. The bortheads are all for gay genocide as evidenced on this thred. I'd say they would get along just fine with the Phelps family.
bumpity bumpity for the pro-gay genocide bortheads!!!!

reply from: faithman

Here borty borty bortheads!!! Come for your spanking!!!! Just try and explain why you are for gay genocide!!!!
You are the one who is for gay genocide. I would say anyone who is for genocide is a hate monger. I am against genocide. I have always been for the right to life for every human. You think a woman has the "right" to selectively kill if a gay child would inconveniance her with embarasment. Yepper, I'd say that makes you a hate monger.

reply from: jujujellybean

But what if you are wrong? Would you be for killing based on genetic gayness, or are you for womb gay rights? You just might have to answere that one some day. The bortheads are all for gay genocide as evidenced on this thred. I'd say they would get along just fine with the Phelps family.
bumpity bumpity for the pro-gay genocide bortheads!!!!
Geez! You didn't even give me a chance to answer! And of course the answer is NO! Killing of any type is wrong, and so is discrimination of any kind. Gay genocide included. Do you think being a prolifer I would just want straight babies saved? That wouldn't be pro life. That would have restrictions, and there shouldn't be any for the innocent! I still don't think there are any such markers, but if there were, well, sheesh people it's still a child and a person!

reply from: faithman

But what if you are wrong? Would you be for killing based on genetic gayness, or are you for womb gay rights? You just might have to answere that one some day. The bortheads are all for gay genocide as evidenced on this thred. I'd say they would get along just fine with the Phelps family.
bumpity bumpity for the pro-gay genocide bortheads!!!!
Geez! You didn't even give me a chance to answer! And of course the answer is NO! Killing of any type is wrong, and so is discrimination of any kind. Gay genocide included. Do you think being a prolifer I would just want straight babies saved? That wouldn't be pro life. That would have restrictions, and there shouldn't be any for the innocent! I still don't think there are any such markers, but if there were, well, sheesh people it's still a child and a person!
Give the gal a lolly pop. Your are exactly right. But the bortheads could care less if the wipe out the gay population, they are expendable useful idiots, and can be thrown under the abortion bus if they "inconveniance" the cause of womb slaughter. Kay the hate monger pro-gay genocide scanc has proven that already on this thread!!!!!

reply from: sander

You most certainly are for any type of discrimination...I've never seen anyone in such a state of denial, it truly defies logic.
Abortion rights TRUMPS everything in your view...even the death of a baby that could be marked as gay...get a clue as to how stupid your arguments are, for crying out loud...it's painful to read.
You accuse Faithman of judging, when you just said you "HATE" these parents...your double standards are staggering.

reply from: faithman

You most certainly are for any type of discrimination...I've never seen anyone in such a state of denial, it truly defies logic.
Abortion rights TRUMPS everything in your view...even the death of a baby that could be marked as gay...get a clue as to how stupid your arguments are, for crying out loud...it's painful to read.
You accuse Faithman of judging, when you just said you "HATE" these parents...your double standards are staggering.
Luv it when bortheads get their come up in's!!!! Snicker snicker.

reply from: sander

Kayluvsdeath defies all logic.
I'm beginning to believe she has no capacity for reasoning at all.

reply from: yoda

Not every time, no. Many of them are appalled at the prospect of killing gay babies, and will object to it. Proaborts are not all alike, you know, they have just as many differences as we prolifers do, and this is a question that divides them at times.
Besides, if they answer as you mention, that makes them guilty of supporting discrimination against gays..... and makes them think.

reply from: yoda

Apparently you're not against discrimination against gays, then.
And it's a FATAL type of discrimination, too. You are supporting the killing of people because of their sexual orientation.

reply from: yoda

Why should you NOT respect the LIFE of the "gay" unborn baby?
Why would you support killing them JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY?

reply from: yoda

The show is fiction, not a documentary. So the question is a hypothetical one, not one based on reality.

reply from: faithman

But it is "perfectly normal" in bortland to kill womb gays if the queen killer scanc borthead mommy says so. Just ask Kay Phelps. She is all down with sucking gay brains out of the womb. She has already testified to that fact. Gay genocide is a small price to pay for killer mom rights. Just ask the Downs syndrome community. they know about borthead prejudice up close and personal!!!! I guess mommas against drunken drivers will be all down with a womb pre-emptive strike to clean the pool of the alki gene. AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH the glory of eugenics in full bloom!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: sander

I was just going to remind Kayluvsdeath about how these "gay" babies would meet their end, but you did a good job, Faithman....ah, heck, maybe I'll remind her anyway.
Kay...this is just one way the gay baby would meet their end:
Instead of the loop-shaped knife used in D&C abortions, a pair of forceps is inserted into the womb to grasp part of the fetus. The teeth of the forceps twist and tear the bones of the unborn child. This process is repeated until the fetus (gay fetus, just so you'll stay on topic) is totally dismembered and removed. Usually the spine must be snapped and the skull crushed in order to remove them.
Are you okay with that, Kay?

reply from: Faramir

Not every time, no. Many of them are appalled at the prospect of killing gay babies, and will object to it. Proaborts are not all alike, you know, they have just as many differences as we prolifers do, and this is a question that divides them at times.
Besides, if they answer as you mention, that makes them guilty of supporting discrimination against gays..... and makes them think.
Most abortion advocates I've encountered beleive the woman has complete "ownership" of the fetus and can do with it as she pleases for whatever reason. Her reasons to abort are secondary to her right to abort, so they will support a woman's right to abort whether it is because of gayness, gender, abnormality, or whatever. To support her right to abort is not to support her reason, and this womb-gay scenario is not some kind of clever trap, as I see it, and has even less merit than the prochoice kidney argument.
For example, I believe a man has the right to marry a woman. If he says he would never marry a Chinese woman because he thinks Chinese women are inferior, then he is racist, but I still support his right to not marry a Chinese woman, and that does not make me a racist or supporter of racism.

reply from: faithman

Not every time, no. Many of them are appalled at the prospect of killing gay babies, and will object to it. Proaborts are not all alike, you know, they have just as many differences as we prolifers do, and this is a question that divides them at times.
Besides, if they answer as you mention, that makes them guilty of supporting discrimination against gays..... and makes them think.
Most abortion advocates I've encountered beleive the woman has complete "ownership" of the fetus and can do with it as she pleases for whatever reason. Her reasons to abort are secondary to her right to abort, so they will support a woman's right to abort whether it is because of gayness, gender, abnormality, or whatever. To support her right to abort is not to support her reason, and this womb-gay scenario is not some kind of clever trap, as I see it, and has even less merit than the prochoice kidney argument.
For example, I believe a man has the right to marry a woman. If he says he would never marry a Chinese woman because he thinks Chinese women are inferior, then he is racist, but I still support his right to not marry a Chinese woman, and that does not make me a racist or supporter of racism.
Totally stupid and irrelivant hypothetical. It simply does not apply to this issue. But why should it suprise us that you would try to distort or distract from the issue, as that is what you have done the whole time you have been here. The issue is that hard line homos have carried the mail for the abortion crowd from the beginning. But when it comes right down to it, the bortheads will sell the gays out so Mizz Phelps has the right to kill a womb gay. That is a major skism to exploit. reguardless if Sir doofis has brains enough to realize it.

reply from: yoda

Some do, but why should we make their argument for them?
Why should we not question their responses, instead of speaking for them?
And when some of them do make that argument, we do have the response that no one owns another human being, do we not? Do we not even challenge their nasty, death-centered arguments? Or do we just give up?

reply from: sander

Tick tock, tick tock...waiting to hear Faramir's reply to your post, Yoda...
You're so right...we are to challenge them instead of making the point for them, but why am I not suprised he jumped right in and gave them an automatic pass on this thread?

reply from: yoda

Were you surprised to learn that it's okay to use "baby" on this forum, because we really don't "debate" here?
Did you see that one coming?

reply from: sander

LOL!
Sorry, don't mean to laugh.
Nope wasn't surprised at that one either...sheesh, no wonder he changed his aviator to a cop. Apparently he's decided to "police" this board and do all the necessary work for the proaborts and clean up our acts in the process.
Next thing you know we won't even be able to call this site "pro-life".

reply from: yoda

Well, just don't let me catch you "debating" here..... we're not supposed to do that, you know!

reply from: sander

Okay, got it.
Whatever was I thinking of in the first place, "debating" on a pro-life debate forum...I'll have a good talk with myself later....much later.

reply from: Faramir

What's wrong with questioning an argument? Especially a DUMB argument.

reply from: sander

That's your typical dodge...try actually addressing what Yoda said.

reply from: yoda

Which one is the "dumb" argument? The prolife one that says we don't own any other humans, or the proabort one that says we do?

reply from: faithman

But it is "perfectly normal" in bortland to kill womb gays if the queen killer scanc borthead mommy says so. Just ask Kay Phelps. She is all down with sucking gay brains out of the womb. She has already testified to that fact. Gay genocide is a small price to pay for killer mom rights. Just ask the Downs syndrome community. they know about borthead prejudice up close and personal!!!! I guess mommas against drunken drivers will be all down with a womb pre-emptive strike to clean the pool of the alki gene. AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH the glory of eugenics in full bloom!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Apparently you're not against discrimination against gays, then.
And it's a FATAL type of discrimination, too. You are supporting the killing of people because of their sexual orientation.
I am against all types of discrimination, you can't tell me I am not. I am not supporting discrimination. I am supporting the woman's choice to abort. I don't have to agree with the reasoning to want the choice available. If you reply to me again telling me I hate gay people, you will not get a reply. So don't waste your time.
"Why should you NOT respect the LIFE of the "gay" unborn baby?"
I don't see a first or second trimester any differently than another one.

reply from: sander

Well, isn't that just swell...like we live for your replies anyway.
How interesting, it doesn't matter if they're gay...just get rid of it, for whatever the reason.
Women trump gay people...got it.

reply from: Faramir

Which one is the "dumb" argument? The prolife one that says we don't own any other humans, or the proabort one that says we do?
Do you misrepresent me on purpose or because you are confused?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

You most certainly are for any type of discrimination...I've never seen anyone in such a state of denial, it truly defies logic.
Abortion rights TRUMPS everything in your view...even the death of a baby that could be marked as gay...get a clue as to how stupid your arguments are, for crying out loud...it's painful to read.
You accuse Faithman of judging, when you just said you "HATE" these parents...your double standards are staggering.
Your little psychotic buddy is the one who brought up judgment in the first place. Which is hypocritical...since it doesn't take a moron to know that faithman is the most judgmental person on this forum.
"your double standards are staggering."
What "double standards?" You are about as qualified to speak about double standards as Faithman is about bigotry and judging others.
Why should I have respect for a bigot who would love their child less if they were gay?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

You are the one who is for gay genocide. I would say anyone who is for genocide is a hate monger. I am against genocide. I have always been for the right to life for every human. You think a woman has the "right" to selectively kill if a gay child would inconveniance her with embarasment. Yepper, I'd say that makes you a hate monger.
You are an embarrassment to humanity.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

"Women trump gay people...got it."
No, but women trump embryos and fetuses.
You are so ridiculous, You will twist everything to try and make yourself and your side of the issue look better. Are you that insecure?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The show is fiction, not a documentary. So the question is a hypothetical one, not one based on reality.
Homosexual acts is a choice. Genetic markers? Are their genetic markers for those that put on red shirts on Thursdays? Is there a genetic marker for those who prefer to dress casually on Fridays as opposed to wearing business attire? This subject is ludicrous.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Godlaw:
Why would people choose to be gay if there are hate crimes done against them? Why would some people risk being disowned by their parents? Risk being thrown out of their house? Risk ridicule? I didn't choose to be straight neither did you. I couldn't be gay if I tried. You can't choose who you love. It is so easy to say being gay is a choice when you are straight.

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOO why do you advocate the gay genocide by killing them off in the womb? Isn't that a hate crime against Gaydom? Even the gays themselves say so.

reply from: Faramir

SSSSOOO why do you advocate the gay genocide by killing them off in the womb? Isn't that a hate crime against Gaydom? Even the gays themselves say so.
She didn't say she advocated it but would permit it.
Just because you're a prolifer and on the right side of the issue doesn't give you the right to lie about your opponent's position.

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOO why do you advocate the gay genocide by killing them off in the womb? Isn't that a hate crime against Gaydom? Even the gays themselves say so.
She didn't say she advocated it but would permit it.
Just because you're a prolifer and on the right side of the issue doesn't give you the right to lie about your opponent's position.
When you say you are for unrestricted abortion, then you do advocate womb gay genocide. You can't say you advocate unrestricted abortion, then say you do not advocate womb gay genocide. I did not lie, and you punk best watch out who you call a liar. All you have done is defend borthead positions sence you been here, just when are you going to start to defend the womb child? I am not here to"debate"anyone, but to kick crap out of bortheads, and arm pro-lifers with materials. It is not your job to defend bortheads from me unless you are a borthead. Which is it punk? You a borthead? If not shut up and quit defending them.

reply from: Teresa18

This is a good question to ask because pro-aborts often like to portray that they are tolerant. Questions you can ask:
Since they claim to be pro-woman, would they support a woman aborting her child because the child is a female? This is quite common in countries such as China where there is a one child limit, and the male is considered to be more valuable.
Since they claim to support the homosexual "rights" movement, would they support abortion if a woman wants to abort her child because a genetic marker was discovered that determined her child would be gay?
Now, they don't claim to be pro-disability. Pro-abort doctors and pro-aborts support abortion of children that have a disability and/or illness often. I thought I read somewhere that 90% of children with Down's Syndrome are aborted. They are now arguing for assisted suicide/euthanasia for the elderly, disabled, and ill.
Personally, I believe the right to life exists from conception until natural death. A person has a right to life regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, and disability/illness.

reply from: Faramir

SSSSOOO why do you advocate the gay genocide by killing them off in the womb? Isn't that a hate crime against Gaydom? Even the gays themselves say so.
She didn't say she advocated it but would permit it.
Just because you're a prolifer and on the right side of the issue doesn't give you the right to lie about your opponent's position.
When you say you are for unrestricted abortion, then you do advocate womb gay genocide. You can't say you advocate unrestricted abortion, then say you do not advocate womb gay genocide. I did not lie, and you punk best watch out who you call a liar. All you have done is defend borthead positions sence you been here, just when are you going to start to defend the womb child? I am not here to"debate"anyone, but to kick crap out of bortheads, and arm pro-lifers with materials. It is not your job to defend bortheads from me unless you are a borthead. Which is it punk? You a borthead? If not shut up and quit defending them.
If you threaten me again, I'll go to the police, and you can bank on that.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Faithman:
You don't have to be intolerant and disrespectful to be pro-life.
He is doing more for the pro-life movement than you are. You are hurting it.
"I am not here to"debate"anyone, but to kick crap out of bortheads"
lol!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I am until the fetus is viable and has a functional nervous system.

reply from: sander

I am until the fetus is viable and has a functional nervous system.
The above described abortion is done on babies 18 weeks and older...they have functional nervous systems.
Week 13 - 16
During week thirteen to sixteen, fine hair develops on the head, bones become harder, the fetus starts to make sucking motions, the skin is transparent, and fingernails are detected. By week fifteen, the sensory system begins to function, allowing the fetus to sense pressure and touch, as well as feel pain.36 The fetus will also gain 4 times its weight during these four weeks.37 The mother may be able to feel fetal movement by the sixteenth week.38 By the end of the sixteenth week the fetus will have a functioning pancreas and liver and will also be able to swallow amniotic fluid.39
16 week old fetus
Facial features are clearly distinguishable

20 weeks old fetus
Week 17 - 20
By the seventeenth and eighteenth week of development, the heartbeat can be heard with a stethoscope. The eyebrows and head hair appear, the muscles are well developed40 and the fetus can produce antibodies. By the end of the twentieth week the fetus will have developed "definite sleeping and activity patterns ... that will guide sleep/wake patterns throughout life."41 By the twentieth week, the fetus weighs 435 - 465 grams and is approximately 19 cm long.42

But, what does that matter as long as the gay baby is dead and the mother doesn't have to be bothered anymore.
You're not fooling anyone.
Women trump gay dead people. You've said it enough, I get it.

reply from: Smurfy

If a baby has a mass-murderer gene, is it okay to abort it? What about an AntiChrist gene? Is it okay to abort it?

reply from: Faramir

What if it has an abortionist gene?
This type of argument has its downside.
That would definately be a poser. What if it could be determined a fetus would be an abortionist? Would it be acceptable to have the abortion in that case?

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOO why do you advocate the gay genocide by killing them off in the womb? Isn't that a hate crime against Gaydom? Even the gays themselves say so.
She didn't say she advocated it but would permit it.
Just because you're a prolifer and on the right side of the issue doesn't give you the right to lie about your opponent's position.
When you say you are for unrestricted abortion, then you do advocate womb gay genocide. You can't say you advocate unrestricted abortion, then say you do not advocate womb gay genocide. I did not lie, and you punk best watch out who you call a liar. All you have done is defend borthead positions sence you been here, just when are you going to start to defend the womb child? I am not here to"debate"anyone, but to kick crap out of bortheads, and arm pro-lifers with materials. It is not your job to defend bortheads from me unless you are a borthead. Which is it punk? You a borthead? If not shut up and quit defending them.
If you threaten me again, I'll go to the police, and you can bank on that.
I threatened no one, punk. Go to the cops. they will laugh you out of their office. You are such an idiot!!!!!!!!! All you have done sence you been here is make pro-abort aurguments and defend baby killers. All I have done is call you on it. No where have I threatened you little boy. Go home, your mommy is calling.

reply from: yoda

The prolife answer is "NO".

reply from: yoda

Again, the prolife answer is "NO".

reply from: faithman

What if it has an abortionist gene?
This type of argument has its downside.
That would definately be a poser. What if it could be determined a fetus would be an abortionist? Would it be acceptable to have the abortion in that case?
What is stupid is you defending borthead positions and still want to be considered pro-life. The pro-life position is, there is no excuse to kill children in the womb. There is pre disposition to many things, but that does not justify any pre emptive strikes in the womb. That is the point sir doofis. But try to crap up another pro-life stance, that seems to be your fortay.

reply from: jujujellybean


Why do people choose to rape when there is a good chance they will be caught? Why do people kill if there is a good chance they will be imprisoned? Why do people do anything they do that may be bad? Why do terrorists kill when people will hate them and hunt them down??? That really doesn't make sense, and yet those things happen all the time.
A lot of times, gays have had emotionally insecure families. Most of the gays I have met at schools or wherever never had a good father figure, and so identified with their mother instead, and never were masculine. Boys want a guy to identify with. My cousin was young when his parents split, and his dad moved to Florida. He could barely ever see him, and he sorta went to my Dad, his mom's brother, as someone to look up to. He needed emotional support and love from another man. My dad was able to provide that. But for boys who don't ever get that, the results can be disastrous.

reply from: crazylilangel951

a woman does have the right to chose. I think abortion is wrong all together but never the less, its a baby. Gay or not and its wrong. If there is such a thing as a gay genetic, then its still a baby, a child, and something created and meant to be here as a purpose. Its still a life that should be born to choose if he/she wants to live right or wrong but still gets the chance to live. I think a person should not be killed for being gay nor should a child.
Maybe its a way for pro-abortionists to make an excuse to what they are doing and make it seem right and this topic you are all interested in (gay genetics) is exactly what they want. Who cares, gay, not gay, its still a child.

reply from: Faramir

What if it has an abortionist gene?
This type of argument has its downside.
That would definately be a poser. What if it could be determined a fetus would be an abortionist? Would it be acceptable to have the abortion in that case?
What is stupid is you defending borthead positions and still want to be considered pro-life. The pro-life position is, there is no excuse to kill children in the womb. There is pre disposition to many things, but that does not justify any pre emptive strikes in the womb. That is the point sir doofis. But try to crap up another pro-life stance, that seems to be your fortay.
I've not made one statment supporting abortion.
I've questioned the effectiveness of a couple arguments and have questioned abusive behavior, neither of which makes me a "bort head" or a "nazi."

reply from: faithman

What if it has an abortionist gene?
This type of argument has its downside.
That would definately be a poser. What if it could be determined a fetus would be an abortionist? Would it be acceptable to have the abortion in that case?
What is stupid is you defending borthead positions and still want to be considered pro-life. The pro-life position is, there is no excuse to kill children in the womb. There is pre disposition to many things, but that does not justify any pre emptive strikes in the womb. That is the point sir doofis. But try to crap up another pro-life stance, that seems to be your fortay.
I've not made one statment supporting abortion.
I've questioned the effectiveness of a couple arguments and have questioned abusive behavior, neither of which makes me a "bort head" or a "nazi."
If it waddels like a borty duck.....

reply from: joe

No.
It would be OK only if it had the smurfy gene.

reply from: faithman

GOSH!!! Another voice of reason who gets it!!!!

reply from: joe

Seriously, are you a pro-abort? I cannot seem to distinguish you from the pro-aborts.

reply from: faithman

No.
It would be OK only if it had the smurfy gene.
Now joe.... apologize to the little blue thing. even brainy smurfs have a right to live, even if it does drive papa crazy.

reply from: joe

No.
It would be OK only if it had the smurfy gene.
Now joe.... apologize to the little blue thing. even brainy smurfs have a right to live, even if it does drive papa crazy.
What was I thinking, a smurf is worth more than a human being. I hope no smurf-rights advocate takes it the wrong way, since they are probably more consistent and passionate then some of the pro-life advocates here....Faramir.

reply from: faithman

No.
It would be OK only if it had the smurfy gene.
Now joe.... apologize to the little blue thing. even brainy smurfs have a right to live, even if it does drive papa crazy.
What was I thinking, a smurf is worth more than a human being. I hope no smurf-rights advocate takes it the wrong way, since they are probably more consistent and passionate then some of the pro-life advocates here....Faramir.
Your sarcasm is most exilent young one. Now, quickly as you can, snatch faramir defence of borthead maggots out of my hand.

reply from: yoda

I thought it was the purple ones that we had to look out for.......???

reply from: faithman

I thought it was the purple ones that we had to look out for.......???
Now now, lets not have biggotry against our "darker blue" smurf friends!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

A woman has the right to an abortion for whatever reasons she chooses. I mean, it's racist for white people to not associate with black people just because they're black, but we have no right to force them into anything just because we don't like their reason for avoiding it. Besides, I wouldn't trust a homophobe with a child anyway. Look how Fred Phelps kids turned out. A bunch of nutjobs like their daddy.

reply from: sander

Bottom line for the pro-abort, always, always kill the child. If the child may be gay...kill the baby. If the baby may have bad parents...kill the baby.
What a sick love affair you proborts have with death. And your double standards never cease to be amazing.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

what double standards are you talking about?

reply from: sander

For starters, you approve and applaud the homosexual lifestyle, fine. But, if a mother may be carrying a child pre-disposed to being homosexual and she doesn't want it, then kill the homosexual.
You really can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try.

reply from: Faramir

For starters, you approve and applaud the homosexual lifestyle, fine. But, if a mother may be carrying a child pre-disposed to being homosexual and she doesn't want it, then kill the homosexual.
You really can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try.
It's not a double standard. It's a single standard. It's a single standard that is wrong, immoral, and unjust, but the single standard is the right to abort for any reason.
Now please note, I am finding fault with your argument only, and not the cause you are attempting to support, which I support too. But your reasoning is fallacious as I see it. But that does not make me a pro abort. Can you see that?
Just because I think it's a dumb and ineffective argument, does not make me pro-abort. It just makes me anti-dumb-argument.

reply from: yoda

Yes it is.
Kay supports the gay lifestyle, and would oppose any kind of discrimination against born gays. But she's okay with discriminating against gays to the point of death when they are unborn.
So she's against one kind of discrimination, but not another. That's a double standard.

reply from: Faramir

Yes it is.
Kay supports the gay lifestyle, and would oppose any kind of discrimination against born gays. But she's okay with discriminating against gays to the point of death when they are unborn.
So she's against one kind of discrimination, but not another. That's a double standard.
It's not a double standard, and it's foolish to make a case out of it since it is such an illogical argument and it goes nowhere, and does nothing, except showing that the person making the argument is not thinking logically.
They see a woman's right to abort as a supreme right and that it trumps all other considerations.
I think a fair comparison would be to consider a racist man who would only marry a black woman because he thinks blacks are superior and whites and asians are inferior and are bad people. Even though he would be a racist in his approach in picking a wife, I would still support his right to marry whoever he chooses, even if for racist reasons, even though I do not support racism, and my support of his right to choose based on racism, is NOT to support racism.
There is no double standard there at all. They are being consistent. But they are consistenly wrong, of course, since thier single standard of abortion on demand is a grave injustice.

reply from: yoda

If you really think that, they why do you care? You just said it "shows that the person making the argument is not thinking logically".... so what do you care if the person making that argument is perceived as "not thinking logically"?
For that matter, what business is it of yours how they make their arguments?

reply from: Faramir

If you really think that, they why do you care? You just said it "shows that the person making the argument is not thinking logically".... so what do you care if the person making that argument is perceived as "not thinking logically"?
For that matter, what business is it of yours how they make their arguments?
When a moderator or forum owner tells me it's not my business to enter into the discussion here and discuss and debate ideas, I'll comply with his wishes.
Otherwise, your umpiring of me will henceforth be ingnored.
I've never seen people take themselves so seriously and be so touchy abuot their ideas being criticized.

reply from: Smurfy

There is no such thing as a 'gay gene'.
It is not possible to discriminate against 'gays' in the womb.
There is no double standard - not until this 'gay gene' and 'gay gene womb testing' exists.
Neither exist.
But since you think hypothetical questions are acceptable...
Would you abort a baby that has a condition that causes it to be in intense, incurable pain as soon as it's neural pain receptors develop and has no chance of surviving birth, due to missing its skull?

reply from: Faramir

There is no such thing as a 'gay gene'.
It is not possible to discriminate against 'gays' in the womb.
There is no double standard - not until this 'gay gene' and 'gay gene womb testing' exists.
Neither exist.
But since you think hypothetical questions are acceptable...
Would you abort a baby that has a condition that causes it to be in intense, incurable pain as soon as it's neural pain receptors develop and has no chance of surviving birth, due to missing its skull?
Euthanasia is not an option and is morally inacceptable. It would be wrong to abort the pregnancy in your hypothetical, and would not be prolife to do so.

reply from: faithman

If you really think that, they why do you care? You just said it "shows that the person making the argument is not thinking logically".... so what do you care if the person making that argument is perceived as "not thinking logically"?
For that matter, what business is it of yours how they make their arguments?
When a moderator or forum owner tells me it's not my business to enter into the discussion here and discuss and debate ideas, I'll comply with his wishes.
Otherwise, you umpiring of me will henceforth be ingnored.
I've never seen people take themselves so seriously and be so touchy abuot their ideas being criticized.
Legitimate critisism is one thing, constant illogical torpedoing is another. I have shown that gay lifers are already asking the same questions. Your church use to believe the world was flat, and pursicuted anyone who would dare say different, but it didn't make the world any less round!! Even if you do not believe that gayness is tied into genetics, it is only purdent to hedge your bets, and back up those who are on the frontline in this issue. I am against gay genocide based on humanity of those caught up in that life style. I don't think gays, whether born or preborn should be killed because they are gay. The bortheads have already point blank stated that gay genocide is fine with them. Do you believe in killing gays in the womb? Careful, there already is a shortage of priest, you don't want to cut into the candidate pool!!!

reply from: yoda

It's your timing that sucks. You're jumping in when a prolifer is arguing with a proabort, and coming down on the side of the proabort. Just bad timing, I guess, right?

reply from: yoda

Gee, I'm really glad you realize this whole line of reasoning is hypothetical... I thought for a minute there you didn't understand that.....
"Missing it's skull"? That's a weird question..... since brain tissue is not sensitive to pressure.... and we don't feel pain when it is injured. But, since you think hypothetical questions are acceptable.... I would have to say that such a rare case would require much more research before any decision could be made about treatment, and most certainly before any prenatal euthanasia would be considered.
Hypothetical pain is not a justification for killing babies. Far too many people assume the authority of life and death over others, when they have no such authority over anyone's life but their own.
Every possible kind of treatment would have to be attempted first, and even then I think a natural death would be more appropriate by far than human intervention in the form or prenatal euthanasia. That's got the sound of a flimsy excuse to kill babies, IMO.

reply from: yoda

Wow..... you finally came down on the side of a prolifer engaged in debate with a proabort. Congratulations!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

"Kay supports the gay lifestyle, and would oppose any kind of discrimination against born gays. But she's okay with discriminating against gays to the point of death when they are unborn."
I am against discriminating against people who are gay and a fetus someone thinks will be gay. I think it is horrible people actually think there is a gay gene and actually care if their child is gay. But there is nothing I can do about bigotry in the womb or out of it. If I thought women should only get abortions for reasons I agree with, I would just be "pro-legal abortion", not "pro-choice". The Pro-Choice Movement is about woman not being forced to give birth, continue a pregnancy, or abort.

reply from: yoda

Really? You can do nothing about a gang of skinheads jumping on a boy just because he's gay, and beating him to death?
You are powerless to act against something like that?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Really? You can do nothing about a gang of skinheads jumping on a boy just because he's gay, and beating him to death?
You are powerless to act against something like that?
You cannot do anything about prejudice thoughts. You can do something about hate crimes. They are not the same thing.

reply from: yoda

Yes, we all know that Kay. But if you get the law changed to make aborting "gay" babies a "hate crime", then you can do something about it, right?

reply from: jujujellybean

Why do people choose to rape when there is a good chance they will be caught? Why do people kill if there is a good chance they will be imprisoned? Why do people do anything they do that may be bad? Why do terrorists kill when people will hate them and hunt them down??? That really doesn't make sense, and yet those things happen all the time.
A lot of times, gays have had emotionally insecure families. Most of the gays I have met at schools or wherever never had a good father figure, and so identified with their mother instead, and never were masculine. Boys want a guy to identify with. My cousin was young when his parents split, and his dad moved to Florida. He could barely ever see him, and he sorta went to my Dad, his mom's brother, as someone to look up to. He needed emotional support and love from another man. My dad was able to provide that. But for boys who don't ever get that, the results can be disastrous.
Kay did you never see this, or are you ignoring it???

reply from: faithman

She has to ignore gays in the womb. She can't let the pro-life's camels nose in the borthead tent, even if the nose is pink.


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