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There is really no point in arguing on this site...

by: kayluvzchoice

Neither side is considering the other's ideas. All either side does is find faults in their arguments to try to win the debate.
Everyone of us is too arrogant about our opinions to even consider the other side's opinions.
Pro-choicers
Why exactly do we waste our time on here when the arguments go no where?
I don't really have the attention span to be in any thread or convo for more than two days anyway so I don't really understand why I am on any forums at all...

reply from: jujujellybean

Kay,
I assume since you think it is stupid you will leave now. Sorry to see you go, you were always one of the better arguers. Thanks for sticking around! It will be hard to see you go. Good luck with your life!
Juliana

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I am not leaving. I just stated I don't understand why we do this since it is pointless.

reply from: jujujellybean

no offense you are making it more pointless by posting something with no relevance to abortion other than to say the arguments are stupid...

reply from: lukesmom

I didn't come here to listen to "ideas" from proaborts about how to support killing babies. I also don't give any credance to proaborts "opinions" about killing babies. I DID come here to talk and learn from other prolifers about saving babies from your kind. Sorry if my "opinions" haven't met your expectations.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

"saving babies from your kind"
lol. You expect to be taken seriously and respected when you look down on me?
Whatever.
::I didn't come here to listen to "ideas" from proaborts about how to support killing babies. ::
That is called being "closed-minded" and "arrogant". But you also support us being here by replying to us.

reply from: lukesmom

I don't need your respect, thank you. I have my own for myself. You support killing unborn children, you have no credability. No, I don't support you but I do get some entertainment from you all.

reply from: Banned Member

There is no compromise to be had. There is nothing to consider.
Abortion is the killing of an innocent human being. We are right. Abortion is killing. You are wrong. A woman does not have the right to kill innocent human being in her womb. That truth only need play out in the courts of this country against the propoganda that the abortion industry has been circulating for 35 years.
No compromises!

reply from: anCRYPTIon

ProLife America,
The time has come. Now that you recognize that all you do is troll each other, you know the thrill of trolling. Anonymous is a trolling machine. Right now, the target is one you can ALL agree needs to be trolled: Scientology.
Join us.

reply from: yoda

Uh... yeah, that's called "debate", isn't it?
Nor do I (understand why you are here).

reply from: yoda

Hey, here's a suggestion: show us some documentation that Scientology is proabortion..... and that will make your "campaign" relevant to us, to this forum.
Think you can do that?

reply from: yoda

Killing babies is something we will NEVER respect. Nor those who pimp for that activity.

reply from: faithman

WELL ...... When you sorry little death scancs realize you are wrong, then maybe this forum will become more relevant to you. It was set up to give lifers a place to net work, and stay informed. We just tolerate your punk behinds, because of your entertainment value. Of course the other side of the coin is how sad it is that there are people as stupid, and cold hearted as the pond scum that comes here and tauts the "virtues" of destroying womb children.

reply from: ProInformed

Actually myself and many other pro-lifers used to be choicers.
I was still very much pro-choice when I decided to also be pro-informed and learn all I could about all aspects of this important controversy.
And while it is not very effective to simply debate/defend your current POV, or chant sloganized false PR provided by the abortion industry, or try to convince somebody who has been brainwashed that pro-lifers are NOT just brainwashed liars...
it is sometimes effective to challenge choicers to learn more and then to adjust their POV accordingly.
I was still pro-choice when I decided to take on the challenge of learning all I could about abortion, to be pro-informed. I started to question the status quo and everything I had been told. I didn't blindly trust what the pro-lifers were saying either. In fact I avoided contact and info from them for a long time. I merely stopped blindly believing everything and mostly looked for sources of info not tied to either side. I was embarrassed to realize I was not as well-informed as I had pretended to be... And I most certainly did NOT want to be labeled 'anti-abortion!!!!
But there was something I wanted more than to be viewed as 'pro-choice', something that mattered even more to me than trying to justify the abortion I'd had:
I wanted to actually be well-informed and intellectually honest and brave. It was not possible to do so while defending the abortion industry.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

lol.
I really liked that video. Scientology is *****.
Does that "anonymous" group really exist?? Or are you just a pretender or mocking them?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

WELL ...... When you sorry little death scancs realize you are wrong, then maybe this forum will become more relevant to you. It was set up to give lifers a place to net work, and stay informed. We just tolerate your punk behinds, because of your entertainment value. Of course the other side of the coin is how sad it is that there are people as stupid, and cold hearted as the pond scum that comes here and tauts the "virtues" of destroying womb children.
Lol. You are a joke.

reply from: xnavy

actually pro choicers are the joke that keeps on giving showing your true selves

reply from: kayluvzchoice

That doesn't really make sense.

reply from: joe

Murderers and rapists at least have the guts to look at their victims during the crime. Unlike the coward pro choice advocates.

reply from: faithman

Murderers and rapists at least have the guts to look at their victims during the crime. Unlike the coward pro choice advocates.
Alot of proabort men are rapists, and all choicers are at least conspirators of murdering womb children, so we are talking about the very same thing, not just "equating".

reply from: faithman

Actually, rape is about control, so it's more likely they will be pro-life, as they would prefer the woman be unable to get rid of his spawn growing insider her. It would be a continuation of his rape, for as long as the child lives - possibly until the mother grows old and dies.
If he can force her to gestate, his power over her is pretty much complete.
If she can abort, she removes that power from him.
Now, would you care to show some factual statistics showing that ' a lot' of pro-choice men are rapists?
We realize what a stupid scanc you are, and don't read the news papers, or watch the news. But almost everyday now, we have a case of a borthead man killing a pro-life girl because she will not abort thier womb child. It is also a fact that Abortion clinics cover up statutory rape daily. Once again, just read the papers, and check out Life Dynamics report on the issue. We know it is true, and we realize you are too drunk on baby blood to ever accept facts. So I really don't care to show sorry death scanc scum like you anything.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Where is evidence that most rapist are pro-abortion?
Where is evidence that some women eat their fetuses after they are aborted??? Wouldn't that kill her?
You never gave evidence for that.

reply from: faithman

Who said most rapists were pro-abort? I didn't. Fetus is eaten in china, as well as some abortionist here. It is considered a health food. Human flesh is not poision. All one has to do is google for the facts. I do not intend to do that for you. SSSSSOOOOOO now twist some more of my words and try to make me say things I didn't.

reply from: Beprolifewithme

Kay, would you look up at the top of the page? Did you notice that it says "PROlifeamerica.com"? How are we suporting YOU when it's a prolife forum. I'am NOT saying that you shouldn't be able on here, however you act as if it's YOUR forum. If you became prolife it would be.....partially. And sorry that we reply to your questions....we are trying to actually make sense.

reply from: faithman

You did.
You are absolutely insane.
Mad. Bonkers. *****ed in the head.
HOW ABOUT YOU SHOW SOME STATISTICS BEHIND YOUR MAD CLAIMS?
I would no more eat a human child than I would eat cat or dog or sheep or cow.
You're *****ed up.
SHOW ME THE GOOGLED LINKS TO YOUR 'FACTS'.
You have psychological problems, very severe ones. Perhaps you should google your symptoms and seek help.
I most assuredly did not scanc. Show me the proof. Post any statement of mine where I said most rapist are pro-choice. Once again you prove what a liar you are. And your post prove that you are the one who is becomming unhinged. Now be a good little death scanc slut, take your prozack, and give it a rest. You obviously have a computer, look it up yourself. Post a link that proves me wrong. But let me save you the time, there isn't.

reply from: faithman

Alot is not most creep. You tried to infer that I said most when I did not. I said alot of prochoice men are rapist. Your done scanc. By your own post you prove you are a word twisting liar. This very site has a link to the fact that predatory men, who comit statutory rape, take their victims to abortion clinics to get rid of the evidence of their crime. Prove it wrong scanc. Of course you can't. Run along little girl, you have been bested again.

reply from: faithman

You choicers are the ones who say most rapist are pro-abortion, not me. You claim that most people are prochoice, so it is only natural to think that rapist being people, then most would be pro-choice. That is your rhetoric not mine. Poor little thing. You can't even believe your own lies anymore.

reply from: faithman

Why should I? The lack of facts never seems to stop you from posting. Over and over again, bortheads tells us they are the majority. So it is only reasonable to think that ALOT of rapist are all for abortion on demand.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Faithman:
I looked that up, and it is just a myth. There is absolutely NO proof of it.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/cannibal/fetus.asp

And how exactly are people going to eat that without getting sick?
And if pro-choicers are the majority, then that would have absolutely nothing to do with being a rapist or murderer.

reply from: yoda

Two things:

Taiwan is NOT "China"
And "Snopes" is NOT infallable.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Yoda
It actually addresses China too.

reply from: joe

Blind fool. Study history, there was and still is plenty of legal killing of innocent human beings (not including the unborn) by a multitude of nations. Abortion is a legal murder, pure and simple.

reply from: yoda

Kay That's all it does address..... but....... FMan said "Fetus is eaten in china"... not Taiwan.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

If you want to believe people risk their lives by eating something full of chemicals, go ahead.

reply from: joe

Expose the pro choice to kill rhetoric for its lies....peace achieved.

reply from: yoda

Now you are claiming that the Chinese who eat human fetuses are at risk of ingesting a lot of chemicals? How did you reach that conclusion?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Yoda
How exactly do you think that fetus is going to be obtained?

reply from: yoda

I really hadn't given that much thought, Kay. Are you saying that the Chinese always use toxic chemicals to abort, and never use any other method... or what?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I would imagine they used the same methods as the US.

reply from: yoda

?????
So now you think that all abortions done in this country are done chemically?
Is that what you're saying?

reply from: joe

When you stop spewing your pro choice to kill rhetoric and start thinking with an ounce of reason...I will consider it. Until then your passion to kill will be answered with my passion to protect. You will lose like the cowards you truly are.
How depressed are you freaks that you advocate killing innocent human life while saving a animal which is worth nothing compared to human life. You pro choice advocates make me sick to the core. You believe without questioning the lies of your movement, hide your tails when you go out in public so we don't see you for the devils you truly are.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Joe.
My dogs' lives and my cats' lives mean A LOT! THey have helped me and my family through so much like many other pets. You seem to have anger issues. Get some therapy.
You have not named ONE THING that makes a human life more valuable than another specie's. If our lives are so important, why do we depend so much on other animals to survive, none of them (except pets) depend on us.

reply from: joe

Please tell me you are a troll. I cannot be possibly discussing the value of human beings over animals with somebody?
1. When I desire love and my wife holds me, It is the human touch that fulfills me.
2. When I am sick and need care, it is human intelligence (real doctors and medicine) that heals me.
3. When I need a place to rest, it is human labor that houses me.
We have hopes and dreams....we reason. Your dogs and cats cannot take place of humans and if you think for a second they do, it is not I that needs therapy.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Please tell me you are a troll. I cannot be possibly discussing the value of human beings over animals with somebody?
1. When I desire love and my wife holds me, It is the human touch that fulfills me.
2. When I am sick and need care, it is human intelligence (real doctors and medicine) that heals me.
3. When I need a place to rest, it is human labor that houses me.
We have hopes and dreams....we reason. Your dogs and cats cannot take place of humans and if you think for a second they do, it is not I that needs therapy.
So in this case, inabilities and an underdeveloped brain determine value and importance?
And what about people who have nobody? Are they going to hug their imaginary friend or their reflection?
People who have pets are happier than those who don't.
How do you know dogs do not have hopes and dreams? Are you a dog psychologist? A zygote has no hopes and dreams.
I think you are sick if you think the morning after pill is worse than a dog being skinned alive.

reply from: joe

The morning after pill is worse. If you cannot reason this you clearly have mental and emotional issues.
This is human life not some underdeveloped animal. The unborn will dream, hope, reason and love....that is if you don't kill them.
You need to spend some time in solitude and meditation before you end up in a mental institution.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Joe.
I am sorry, but that is sick. A fertilized egg cannot feel, love, think, or care.
Dogs can.
I can't believe what a nutcase you are.
And if I do end up in therapy, my dad caused it. Not freethought.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

oh yeah, a zygote IS underdeveloped.

reply from: yoda

Yes, it can. All you have to do is let it live, and it will do all those things and more.
But allowing humans to live is not in keeping with the prochoice/prodeath way , is it?

reply from: AV2BH

can someone point out a good reason for a pro-choice person to come to a pro-life forum and get upset because nobody cares about their views? NO KIDDIN....
I pray daily for pro-choice people so they to may come to know God and become a Christian.

reply from: MC3

AV2BH:
You asked, "Can someone point out a good reason for a pro-choice person to come to a pro-life forum and get upset because nobody cares about their views?"
The answer is, "No."
You raise an issue I've wondered about many times. From the start, it has been made clear that this forum is not about converting the enemy but stopping them. Toward that goal, it was intended as a vehicle for pro-lifers to communicate with each other, share ideas, and stay informed. The pro-aborts have been told in no uncertain terms that they are only allowed here to serve as foils for our amusement and exercise to keep our skills sharp.
Despite that, however, they still get their panties in a major wad whenever we don't buy into their morally-bankrupt baby-killing agenda. They're like the guy who builds a new house next to an international airport and then starts whining about the noise.
To quote my fellow Texan, Bo Pilgrim, "It's a mind-boggling thing."
In any case, you are welcome.

reply from: yoda

Wow....... you don't say much, but what you do say makes a lot of sense!
How about it Kay? If there "really is no point in (proaborts) arguing on this forum..... why are you still here?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Christians can be pro-choice too. The ones that are just have the decency to not push their beliefs on everyone.
I have been raised in church all my life, so I know all about your "god". If you think he is an amazing, great, or just god, I suggest you get to know him yourself...
I like conflict. Which is a good reason to be here. If you guys don't want to see our posts, do not encourage us and put us on ignore. If you guys didn't like arguing with us, I would think we would be on everyone's ignore list already. And obviously, they do care about our opinions and what we think if they still debate with us...

reply from: faithman

Christians can be pro-choice too. The ones that are just have the decency to not push their beliefs on everyone.
I have been raised in church all my life, so I know all about your "god". If you think he is an amazing, great, or just god, I suggest you get to know him yourself...
I like conflict. Which is a good reason to be here. If you guys don't want to see our posts, do not encourage us and put us on ignore. If you guys didn't like arguing with us, I would think we would be on everyone's ignore list already. And obviously, they do care about our opinions and what we think if they still debate with us...
There is no such thing as a pro-choice, or pro abortion, Christian. Only a false christian would say they love Christ, then say it is ok to destroy His pre-born image. No saved person is for abortion at all.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Faithman, you must be very social to have met every Christian that exists.
If the god you worship killed over thousands of people in the bible, told a man to kill his own son only to test faith, took everything from Job just to prove a point, and advocated slavery and sexism, why do you look to him for your morals and views on things?

reply from: jujujellybean

you have never read the bible, have you? Wait, stupid question...

reply from: AV2BH

WOW.. is the first word that comes to mind...IGNORANT is the second.
THe bible says in plain text that shedding innocent blood is not of God. you refer to "your God" that is the words you use... THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD...any Christian who believes in God and His Son Jesus does not support abortion. There are millions of pseudo-Christians. You know them by phrases like
I am Christian but I am pro-choice
I believe in God but I dont believe I have to go to church
Use of the phrase "your God"
I belive in God but dont think Jesus is my savior
I dont have to be saved to go to Heaven
It is simple.. If you are a Christian you follow GODS WORD Gods word says abortion is wrong. Who are we to say anything he did was wrong.,... NOBODY HE IS GOD ALMIGHTY HE MAKES THE RULES AND DOES WHAT HE SEES FAIR FOR OUR LIVES.
I know what you are thinking so I will refute it now. I am not judging you even though the word says "a Christian can judge a Christian by his or her fruits" You fruit is clearly rotten and that is my judgement. If you are not a Christian and are reading this I am not judging you GOD WILL.!!
I am done... and I will still pray for all you pro-choice hypocrites
GOD BLESS YOU ALL

reply from: jujujellybean

Please tell me you are a troll. I cannot be possibly discussing the value of human beings over animals with somebody?
1. When I desire love and my wife holds me, It is the human touch that fulfills me.
2. When I am sick and need care, it is human intelligence (real doctors and medicine) that heals me.
3. When I need a place to rest, it is human labor that houses me.
We have hopes and dreams....we reason. Your dogs and cats cannot take place of humans and if you think for a second they do, it is not I that needs therapy.
So in this case, inabilities and an underdeveloped brain determine value and importance?
Yah know what's stupid? You use that same argument to kill the child. Like, you all say all the time: "It can't feel or think and it doesn't have a developed brain, so we should be able to kill it." Yet you use that argument to try and argue animals are equal to humans. Flip flopper...you guys are becoming more and more like John Kerry every day!
And what about people who have nobody? Are they going to hug their imaginary friend or their reflection?
No you think we should kill them before they are born. Apparently, if they are not wanted, they mean nothing and are worthless.
People who have pets are happier than those who don't.
Really? people that don't kill their babies are happier than those who don't also. And that is great...I love animals. WOW! You must know all pet owners of the world...big social circle?
How do you know dogs do not have hopes and dreams? Are you a dog psychologist? A zygote has no hopes and dreams.
Huh. No not really. Are you?
Dogs having hopes and dreams...they don't. What could they aspire for I wonder? Not to get neutered?
I think you are sick if you think the morning after pill is worse than a dog being skinned alive.
Yah. A dog being skinned alive is terrible! I could not bear to think about it. But killing a baby is worse. A BABY is a human like you and me. A baby needs a chance to live like we got. If you had been aborted, you wouldn't be here arguing that we should kill our kind. Interesting huh?

reply from: lukesmom

I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980
Gotta love him!

reply from: MC3

KayLovesChoice:
Once again, you and your little buddy Vexing have been caught taking a resolute position on an issue about which you know nothing.
In the first place, contrary to the implication you made to FaithMan, one does not have to "have met every Christian that exists" to know that, when the word "choice" refers to abortion, there is no such thing as a pro-choice Christian. A person can be one or the other, but those who think they can be both at the same time are liars and/or heretics.
I'm not sure where you came up with your wacked-out ideas on Christian doctrine, but among several concepts that are fundamental to it are that (a) God is the author of life and (b) He is incapable of making mistakes. From those beliefs, the only logical conclusion one can draw is that when life exists in the womb, it is God's will that it be there. Given that support for legal abortion denies both of these realities, by definition, it is incompatible with Christian belief.
People who claim to be both pro-choice and Christian are, basically, asserting three things. The first is that life is not a right inherited from God but a privilege bestowed by human beings who can withhold it if they "choose" to do so. The second is that God is neutral on whether a child He created is brutally torn limb from limb. Finally, they are saying it is possible to reject the innocent new lives which God creates without rejecting God Himself. From a Christian perspective, these arguments are absurd.

The bottom line is, a Christian cannot be pro-choice about the intentional destruction of innocent human life any more than they can be pro-choice about rape, robbery, slavery, incest, child abuse, etc.
The interesting thing is that, while a Christian cannot be pro-choice, a non-Christian can be pro-life. In fact, many are. I have always argued that atheists may actually have more reason to be pro-life than Christians. After all, those of us who are Christians can take comfort in our belief that the children butchered by cowards like you are now in the arms of the Lord. For an atheist, however, those children are robbed of everything they will ever have. From the perspective of an atheist, when a child gets ground-up in one of your garbage disposals, or tossed into a dumpster behind one of you death camps, that's all there is.

reply from: faithman

Then why is so much blood shed in the bible? The children of entire cities? The firstborn of entire cities?
There are many gods. It depends on which one you believe in and your faith. Be it Krishna, Odin, Jesus, Allah, Maui, Tiamat, Zeus, The Dagda, Eshu, Quetzalcoatl, The Rainbow Snake, Loa, Guan-Yu, Isis, Vainamoinen, Apocatequil, Akuma, Chac, Raven, Venus, Chernobog, Bochica or Jin.
They all have the same intrinsic validity as your god.
Who cares? So what if they profess to be part of a religion but don't hold to every single one of its tenets?
Can you point out the passge where it says 'thou shalt not abort'?
That's more like it. Instead of the ideals of violence (nail a guy's testicles to a board) professed by others. Of my favourite of Faithman's - putting people in front of a firing squad with no blindfold.
May Quetzalcoatl bring you chocolate!
Where have I ever said " putting people in front of a firing squad with no blindfold.
" That is one choice I would allow before the trigger pulled.

reply from: 4given

Doesn't quite compare to this: http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/DEabortiongraphic.html

reply from: faithman

Doesn't quite compare to this: http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/DEabortiongraphic.html
On second thought, let's tooth pick their eyes open in front of these images, then pull the trigger.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

:In the first place, contrary to the implication you made to FaithMan, one does not have to "have met every Christian that exists" to know that, when the word "choice" refers to abortion, there is no such thing as a pro-choice Christian.:
So are you not aware of all the killing and torture done in the name of Christianity by Christians throughout history?
:I'm not sure where you came up with your wacked-out ideas on Christian doctrine:
The bible...?? I was raised in church. I used to read the bible.
::From those beliefs, the only logical conclusion one can draw is that when life exists in the womb, it is God's will that it be there. Given that support for legal abortion denies both of these realities, by definition, it is incompatible with Christian belief.::
They realize that not everyone thinks the fetus is a life and does not want to make laws based on their religion. Just because you are pro-choice, it doesn't mean you have to agree with abortion or get one. Also, all sins are the same in God's eyes, right? So everyone who doesn't think lying and disobeying their parents should be outlawed can't be Christians either?

reply from: 4given

Being ignorant to the facts, doesn't change them.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

::THe bible says in plain text that shedding innocent blood is not of God. you refer to "your God" that is the words you use...::
THen why does your own God go against HIS word and kill hundreds or maybe even thousands? Why is so much immorality in history done in the name of the Christian God?
::any Christian who believes in God and His Son Jesus does not support abortion. ::
Being pro-choice does not mean you have to believe in the act. Being pro-life based only on your religion is pushing your religion on everyone.
::Who are we to say anything he did was wrong.,... NOBODY HE IS GOD ALMIGHTY HE MAKES THE RULES AND DOES WHAT HE SEES FAIR FOR OUR LIVES. ::
I really feel bad for everyone who thinks that every decision an authority figure makes is for your own best interest.
You don't have to waste your energy praying for me. Blasphemy gets you a VIP pass straight to Hell.

reply from: joe

You can't even defend your position on evolution...because you believe what you are told from pro choice to evolution, you try to be God but it is not working. You are a illogical and a coward. You lost and will always lose now go and cry in your corner.

reply from: joe

Free thought??????????????????????????? LOL.

reply from: faithman

The ones the Lord ordered killed were not innocent. They were blood thirsty pagans who defiled the land by throwing their children into the mouth Of idols full of fire. The sin would pass thru one generation to the next. His wys are higher than the ways of stupid death scancs, so it is no suprise why you can't get it right. Poor hell bound dears.

reply from: joe

Repeating rhetoric is not considered defending a position. Think.............Reason...........stop believing everything forced unto you. They have a reason for you to believe what you believe and you became just another blind fool.

reply from: faithman

Repeating rhetoric is not considered defending a position. Think.............Reason...........stop believing everything forced unto you. They have a reason for you to believe what you believe and you became just another blind fool.
.....thats stupid blind fool.......

reply from: joe

Repeating rhetoric is not considered defending a position. Think.............Reason...........stop believing everything forced unto you. They have a reason for you to believe what you believe and you became just another blind fool.
.....thats stupid blind fool.......
Oops....I forgot the stupid part .
Hopefully Vexing will forgive me for not being 100% accurate.

reply from: faithman

Repeating rhetoric is not considered defending a position. Think.............Reason...........stop believing everything forced unto you. They have a reason for you to believe what you believe and you became just another blind fool.
.....thats stupid blind fool.......
Oops....I forgot the stupid part .
Hopefully Vexing will forgive me for not being 100% accurate.
Me thinks her babooness is evolved enough to over looked such monkey shines.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

::They have a reason for you to believe what you believe and you became just another blind fool.::
:::.....thats stupid blind fool......:::
and these qutoes coming from bible thumpers? lmao...

reply from: joe

Why? Do you think Christians do not question and analyze? Those that critically analyze their beliefs are the ones that cannot be brainwashed by organizations that are motivated by power and greed.
Planned Parenthoods very existence is dependent on its lies. Question it.

reply from: yoda

And just think, Joe, all this hot air is coming from the one who started a thread stating "There is really no point in arguing on this site"...... and yet is still here, still arguing........ go figure!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

yoda
"All you have to do is let it live, and it will do all those things and more."
Which means it can't.
"But allowing humans to live is not in keeping with the prochoice/prodeath way , is it?"
I worry about everything that values their life, loves, cares, and hurts.
Why should I worry about something like an embryo or even a fertilized egg when there are so many people and animals in the world who are suffering?? Fertilized eggs, embryos, and fetuses do not and can not suffer.

reply from: yoda

Right. Kinda like a newborn can't walk, but it isn't right to kill it just because it can't walk YET...... ya know?
Why is your ability to worry so limited? Why can't you "worry" about all innocent humans and animals (that are being abused or killed) at the same time? Why are you so selective?
Do you suffer from the "Compassion Deficit Syndrome"?

reply from: sk1bianca

you won't even give them a chance to value their "life, love and care".
and embryos and fetuses CAN suffer.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11734

reply from: jujujellybean

Yah Yoda. I mean, I care about all the animals and people suffering in the world. Just because I care about the unborn doesn't mean I don't care about other people! That is such an annoying assumption commonly made it's annoying.
an embryo or fetus proven to be a person, meaning you support the killing of people. Why shouldn't we care then?

reply from: yoda

I keep trying to tell you, juju, the proaborts all have this "compassion deficit syndrome" that prevents them from caring about more than one person or species at at time!! The can't care about both animals AND people at the same time, or about the mother AND her unborn baby at the same time, it's physically/mentally/emotionally impossible for them!
Don't you feel sorry for them? Don't you just want to give them a big hug?

reply from: joe

Your belief in a theory that changes with time take more blind faith than any other religion I know of. Honestly I have no problem with you believing the religion of evolution. It is not my heart and soul. It is just amazing to me that those that need it most are the most resistant to it. I only have a problem with you pushing your religion of evolution as fact when it clearly is not. Pushing it as a joke would be appropriate.

reply from: joe

You must still be evolving, that explains your lack of reasoning ability.

reply from: joe

Very funny.
Honestly as long as you can admit it is a theory, I have no problem with your belief in it....no hostility at all. It is the lies that bother me (calling it fact).
For me to believe in such a theory is taking a huge leap of faith while delivering a very unfulfilled spiritual life, which by the way is in human nature to desire.

reply from: joe

Another funny joke.
Still a theory...still speculation.
Such hostility Vexing, does it bother you that a Christian already critically analyzed evolution and his own faith?

reply from: joe

Do you think that a discussion about the theory of evolution is productive? You already accepted the theory as fact, first sign of your inability to critically analyze this theory.
My point is simple both require faith. Your theory requires blind faith with no benefits whatsoever to the recipient....considering its flawed logic only a desperate soul would accept it.

reply from: charlie456

To sort of try and be objective...the religious discussion here is rather boring.
It's even worse than the two sides blindly arguing at each other that I've so far observed without end whether they be pro-choice or pro-life.
How come no one here seems to be able to live and let live as far as religious differences go?
I wouldn't try and impose my beliefs on others, and I don't think others impose this on me.
For example, if you wished me to attend a Born Again Christian church, I'd politely refrain...or if you wished me to actively become an atheist/humanist (whatever that entails), I'd also politely refrain.
Does not your American Constitution permit freedom of religion?
Thus far, all religious debates here should not be advocated?
If I were to make a stereotypical generalisation, it is my belief that only in North America should such thing as abortion and religion/Democrat-Republican/for Iraq war oppose Iraq etc absolutely polarise one nation.
If you pride yourself on being committed to "Truth Justice and the American Way," you guys should work to promote viewpoints in harmony rather than division.
Good night people from New Zealand and I hope I have made some sense in this rather lengthy post.

reply from: sander

So, you're saying that all Americans should think alike. Whose "viewpoints" should be extoled to the exclusion of the others?

reply from: lukesmom

I don't know if the definition of "no one" is different in NZ but here in the US "no one" means "no person". I only see two people here arguing about religion so that leaves a lot of "no persons" unaccounted for.
I myself am Catholic and could care less what or who anyone else worships os don't count me in this arguement. Thank you.

reply from: joe

Do you lack self control? If you don't like it then don't read it.

reply from: Teresa18

This is a public forum. Discussing beliefs is not "imposing" them on anyone. It's not as though you view my beliefs and must follow them when you leave this forum. You don't even have to read this forum.

reply from: joe

There is a fatal flaw in the evolution theory: the missing links.
If evolution was fact there would be millions of fossils demonstrating the gradual evolution of the millions of species we now document. All we have is one species here and one there spanning millions of years and that in no way demonstrates they even belong to the current species. To make matters worse a "scientist" tried to make one up...Charles Dawson. If it is a fact there would be no need for deceit.
Just one of the problems that requires a huge leap of faith to even believe such a fairy tale. If this very basic flaw cannot be addressed how can one believe in such a theory.
The "greatest minds" cannot even prove this theory to be a fact. I will not place my faith into the hands of flawed human intelligence who can not even cure the common cold but somehow know the secrets of the universe billions of years back...give me a break.
I have no problem that you believe in it, just that you proclaim it as fact. It is not.

reply from: joe

That is your proof? LOL. What a joke! Your proof puts together (with a proven record of tampering) pieces of skulls from animals and you expect me to believe with a massive leap of faith that this is our ancestors and not other species.
You cling to this theory that has many flaws (this is just one and the most basic) to justify your desire to disprove God.
I suggest you do more research than this pathetic example in which you are missing hundreds of fossils/links let alone proof that they are even of human origin. You are claiming this is fact at least appear you can support it.

reply from: joe

Both require faith. The idea of God is very plausible and logical while at the same time fulfilling a spiritual need that is inherent to a vast majority of humans (about 90%).
The faith required to accept the theory of evolution is massive while fulfilling no need (in a spiritual sense).
What is ironic to me is that those that claim evolution is fact should have no problem accepting the idea of a evolved being or beings vastly superior to us. I clearly do not take this position but did notice the irony.

reply from: joe

Interesting. Do you believe that science will ever be able to initiate a life form? Will that constitute creationism?

reply from: joe

You are evading the point. If scientists can indeed create a life form that would constitute creationism not evolution.
Plausible and logical.

reply from: joe

I believe my point that creationism is plausible and logical has been made. Therefore allowing the "theory of God" to be plausible and logical.
I for one would like to see human intelligence advance and prove the truth of God and Abortion. Personally I do not need it but It would be amazing to watch an unborn child develop in real time and show the humanity to the world ultimately ending this holocaust.
Vexing open your mind. Being brainwashed is a choice you have chosen.

reply from: joe

Bottom line: Creationism is plausible and logical. Case closed.

reply from: joe

First you are unable to address the fatal flaw of evolution. Second you provide a link proving science is on a verge of creating a life form.
You have defeated your own argument for evolution and advocated the plausibility for creationism.
Game over.

reply from: yoda

I don't believe you and her are playing the same game, Joe. Her game is to distract us away from discussing abortion, and instead talking about anything, and I do mean anything else. And that game won't end as long as there is a proabort babykiller still posting on this forum.

reply from: yoda

How many times have you seen me discussing religion here, charlie?

reply from: joe

She is a distraction and that is her goal. This "debate" with her was for my own purpose and limited to this thread. One thing I cannot comprehend is her motive for trolling this site. Either she is sent from a pro-choice group or she has mental issues to deal with. It has to be one or the other.
I agree yodavater, abortion is the topic of focus and it is time to end this game with Vexing.

reply from: Faramir

You choicers are the ones who say most rapist are pro-abortion, not me. You claim that most people are prochoice, so it is only natural to think that rapist being people, then most would be pro-choice. That is your rhetoric not mine. Poor little thing. You can't even believe your own lies anymore.
It might be true that more rapists are prochoice than prolife, but by far most men are not rapists, so it's unreasonable to assert that "a lot" of prochoice men or any type of men are rapists.

reply from: joe

You have evaded direct attacks on your "theory". You have implied defeat.
Vexing you and your pro-choice advocate crowd hold the title of cowards. You are just another one of them. If you saw the passion in my eyes for the unborn I assure you this...you would walk away and understand there is not an ounce of fear. Walk away with the tail between your legs...you are all the same. The only time you have courage is when the victim cannot defend himself.
Now take your pills Vexing. Go to sleep.

reply from: yoda

How many is "a lot", Faramir? What percentage is that, exactly? How many is "a bunch"? How about "quite a few"?
Can you say "irrelevant distraction"?

reply from: Faramir

How many is "a lot", Faramir? What percentage is that, exactly? How many is "a bunch"? How about "quite a few"?
Can you say "irrelevant distraction"?
I am also prolife but I don't see that it serves a good purpose for a prolifer to make an illogical argument.
How do you back up a statement that "a lot of prochoicers are rapists"?
It's really absurd, unless you have some facts to support it.
We won't stop abortion by being as illogical as the prochoicers.

reply from: yoda

Are you really prolife, Faramir? If you are, then why are you being so obsessive about this? Why aren't you posting about the immorality of elective abortion instead? Why aren't you arguing with some of the baby killers about some of their outlandish claims?
If someone else makes a statement that they can't back up, that's their problem, not yours. You are neither responsible for, nor to blame for anyone's statements but your own here on this forum.
We won't stop abortion by bickering over whether a lot of rapists are prochoicers, Faramir.

reply from: Faramir

Yes I am really prolife. I oppose abortion for any reason.
To point out an argument that is flawed is not to "obsess."
I think it is an unfair statement to say that "a lot of prochoicers are rapists."
I reject this assertion.
Please respond with an actual refutation or agreement. I don't care to bicker with you about what posts I should be making or what I should do with my own time.

reply from: yoda

I will do neither, but you are free to waste everyone's time here to your heart's content.

reply from: Faramir

She is a distraction and that is her goal. This "debate" with her was for my own purpose and limited to this thread. One thing I cannot comprehend is her motive for trolling this site. Either she is sent from a pro-choice group or she has mental issues to deal with. It has to be one or the other.
I agree yodavater, abortion is the topic of focus and it is time to end this game with Vexing.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. It could be both, and I believe it is both, in a way.
I don't think another site "sent" her, but there is another site she belongs to that makes a sport of making fun of this site and the crazy "pro fetal lifers."
She trolls this site because of arrogance and condescension, and the pats on the back she gets when she (in her and their minds) "pwn" some of you.
She has apparantly left because of what she imagines that I am, and because of her problems with paranoia--that I could somehow reach through her computer screen and harm her in some way.
Yet the funny thing is that of all my experiences on message boards, she is the only one who has threatened to do violence to me.

reply from: sander

Faramir,
Maybe you should report that she has threatened to harm you, that's not okay.

reply from: Faramir

I reported it but it was ok with the admin there because she's in another country and her arms are not long enough to reach me.
I could tell a hundred "war stories" associated with posters from the site to which she has fled back to for safety and consolation, but I don't think you'd want this board clogged up with that kind of drama.
She did say some things in another thread on this forum that if taken seriously could be cause for concern, however. But if anyone is alarmed or concerned about her comments about me, I would be happy to answer any question.

reply from: joe

What is the name of this site?

reply from: faithman

How many is "a lot", Faramir? What percentage is that, exactly? How many is "a bunch"? How about "quite a few"?
Can you say "irrelevant distraction"?
I am also prolife but I don't see that it serves a good purpose for a prolifer to make an illogical argument.
How do you back up a statement that "a lot of prochoicers are rapists"?
It's really absurd, unless you have some facts to support it.
We won't stop abortion by being as illogical as the prochoicers.
Hey jerk! leave the word twisting to the bortheads. You can punk off at the mouth all you like, but you do not have the right to atribute falsehoods to people when they never said what you imply. No one said that alot of prochoicers are rapist. Go back and read what was actually said. Alot of rapists are prochoice. Particularly those into statutory rape, which abortion gets rid of the "evidence" of their crime. What is really absurd is idiots playing word games to discredit others. Your post is totally dishonest. Keep it straight how about it?

reply from: Faramir

How many is "a lot", Faramir? What percentage is that, exactly? How many is "a bunch"? How about "quite a few"?
Can you say "irrelevant distraction"?
I am also prolife but I don't see that it serves a good purpose for a prolifer to make an illogical argument.
How do you back up a statement that "a lot of prochoicers are rapists"?
It's really absurd, unless you have some facts to support it.
We won't stop abortion by being as illogical as the prochoicers.
Hey jerk! leave the word twisting to the bortheads. You can punk off at the mouth all you like, but you do not have the right to atribute falsehoods to people when they never said what you imply. No one said that alot of prochoicers are rapist. Go back and read what was actually said. Alot of rapists are prochoice. Particularly those into statutory rape, which abortion gets rid of the "evidence" of their crime. What is really absurd is idiots playing word games to discredit others. Your post is totally dishonest. Keep it straight how about it?
Hello faithman. I've heard a lot about you. Thank you for the warm welcome.
This is what you said on page 2 of this thread:
Besides the fact that as a gentlemen and a Christian, I find your abusive manners to be offensive, even though directed at someone like Vexing who is herself abusive, note that in the third sentence quoted above you said, "I said alot of prochoice men are rapist."
This is an unfair and unreaonable statement. It might be true that a lot of rapists are prochoice and it could even be that ALL of them are, but it does not logically follow that if a lot of rapists are prochoice that a lot of prochoicers are rapists.
A lot of rapists are men. Is it then fair to say that a lot of men are rapists?
Do you understand the point I'm making?
If you didn't mean the statement I quoted to be taken that way, or if it was a mistake, that's fine. You're free to retract it.
But I did not attack you persnally at any time, as you have done to me. I merely pointed out the absurdity and unfairness of the statement as written.

reply from: faithman

How many is "a lot", Faramir? What percentage is that, exactly? How many is "a bunch"? How about "quite a few"?
Can you say "irrelevant distraction"?
I am also prolife but I don't see that it serves a good purpose for a prolifer to make an illogical argument.
How do you back up a statement that "a lot of prochoicers are rapists"?
It's really absurd, unless you have some facts to support it.
We won't stop abortion by being as illogical as the prochoicers.
Hey jerk! leave the word twisting to the bortheads. You can punk off at the mouth all you like, but you do not have the right to atribute falsehoods to people when they never said what you imply. No one said that alot of prochoicers are rapist. Go back and read what was actually said. Alot of rapists are prochoice. Particularly those into statutory rape, which abortion gets rid of the "evidence" of their crime. What is really absurd is idiots playing word games to discredit others. Your post is totally dishonest. Keep it straight how about it?
Hello faithman. I've heard a lot about you. Thank you for the warm welcome.
This is what you said on page 2 of this thread:
Besides the fact that as a gentlemen and a Christian, I find your abusive manners to be offensive, even though directed at someone like Vexing who is herself abusive, note that in the third sentence quoted above you said, "I said alot of prochoice men are rapist."
This is an unfair and unreaonable statement. It might be true that a lot of rapists are prochoice and it could even be that ALL of them are, but it does not logically follow that if a lot of rapists are prochoice that a lot of prochoicers are rapists.
A lot of rapists are men. Is it then fair to say that a lot of men are rapists?
Do you understand the point I'm making?
If you didn't mean the statement I quoted to be taken that way, or if it was a mistake, that's fine. You're free to retract it.
But I did not attack you persnally at any time, as you have done to me. I merely pointed out the absurdity and unfairness of the statement as written.
That was not the original post, and was a responce to another word twist. My original post was that alot of rapist are prochoice. Anyone can cherry pick, and post things out of context , as does most bortheads and CM. So if you intend to play word games so be it. The original statement was that alot of rapists are pro-choice.

reply from: Teresa18

What is the name of this site?
Yes. Could you tell us the name of this site and provide a link?

reply from: Faramir

I'm new to this site and had not read every post in the thread and that one stood out to me. It was not my intention to take something out of context and distort your meaning.
If your overall intent is to say that most or a lot of rapists are prochoice, then I take you at your word, and will assume that other statement was not what you really meant.
I don't know if that statement is true, but I would tend to guess that is its, since rapists are violators, and I do not see why they would have any problem with something so violating as abortion.

reply from: Faramir

What is the name of this site?
Yes. Could you tell us the name of this site and provide a link?
I'll have to think about it. It's more of a "club" than a discussion or debate site. And some of them are so paranoid and fearful that I'm afraid if I gave a link to the site, they might start building bomb shelters, or might move to other countries. I'd hate to see them go to that expense.
Vexing left just because of my presence on this board. In her mind that is "stalking." Fortunately, her parting nasty words were deleted, but she definately thinks that she's "in danger" by staying on this board if I'm here.
Does that make any sense to any of you who have a rational mind? I have been experimenting with sending my evil stare through my monitor and into the monitors of others who are online, but so far I have not been successful, so nobody has anything to worry about...yet.
Anyway, there are a lot of crazies on that site (and a few good people too), and I don't know if I'd be doing anyone a favor by directing them there. They would likely think you are "out to get them," and it's a closed site, and they will zap anyone they don't like being there, or forbid you from joining if they suspect that you too, are evil.
That's the site where the "dearly departed Vexing" told me, "If you lived in my town, I'd beat the ---t out of you." And the Admin did nothing about it, except excuse it. I have been invited to die in fires and various accidents more times than I can count. I have had posters tell the most despicable lies about me. I have had personal information that I entrusted spread all over the site publicly. I had people mock me after my father died, and even speak about my father and mother with such vile words that I would not print them here.
But I'm not sure I want to link to the site. I might feel like I'm ratting on my friends.
It was spinoff, sort-of, from the site prochoicetalk.com. That site has been very inactive lately, which is why I moved to this site.
Regarding sites--this one in particular--are there any rules for this forum stated anywhere and are there moderators?

reply from: Teresa18

This forum has little rules or moderation. If things get real bad, you can report to the moderator. We pretty much moderate ourselves.
I've read Pro Choice Talk and am familiar with some of the posters over there. I do not post there. I feel those people are the extreme, hard core pro-aborts. Those people will never change. They can only defeated.
I don't understand how you can call such ardent supporters of abortion your "friends", especially considering that they have threatened to beat you, wished you die in a cruel manner, told horrible lies about you, spread personal information, and smear your mother and father. These are adults. Why are you protecting them like frightened little children? They don't seem to have much regard for you.
I have no desire to post there. I would just like to view what they say about this forum.

reply from: sander

Apparently your skills with evil stares thru computers is lacking in any effect.
But, if you were able to rid this site of vexing you have my heartful thanks, appreciation, awards and rewards!
Now, if you could rid this site of the rest of the pro-aborts you will have perfomed an even greater feat than imagined.
I believe in iron sharpening iron, but these vile posters don't even serve that purpose.
There is only one moderator that I have ever known of and he/she doesn't do too much in that regard. I guess we're left to ourselves. Just know you have the support of the vast majority of pro-live posters.
And THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR GOOD WORKS!

reply from: Faramir

Regarding rules--I find it disturbing that some prolifers on this site resort to name-calling. I'm used to being on a board where that sort of thing is regulated, but I'm new here, and I'll have to get used to the customs of this board, I suppose.
(I was making a joke about "ratting on my friends.")
There's not much you could see on that board as a nonmember. I have no access to the forums but I saw this in their shoutbox recently, which is fairly typical:
They think of this place as being infested with the most extreme and dangerous prolifers.
I have seen a little extremism myself, I must admit, and some uncalled for rudeness, IMHO, on the part of prolifers here. I think we are better than that, and I don't think browbeating the "pro aborts" does anything more than feed the egos of those who would bully someone like that.
Basically, the folks on that site have a superior attitdute towards the members here, but most of them are too chicken to debate anyone in a place where there is a modicum of civility. If they can't be abusive to you, they are at a loss, for the most part. They are more inclined to backbite and ridicule from the safety of their closed forum, and give each other high-fives for pwning someone secretly.
They are mental masturbaters and legends in their own minds.
But now that I'm done discussing their virtues, I'll be back in the next post with some criticisms.

reply from: Faramir

Sander,
Actually, I wasn't trying to rid the site of Vexing.
I thought she knew who I was after a couple posts, but apparently it didn't click unit right before she left, and then she realized that the "Evil One" is here.
I had thought she decided to discuss things in a civil way, and I was hoping she would stop her trolling, since she's intelligent enough to have reasonable discussions.
But do we really want to drive away all the "pro-aborts"? (Sorry, but I'm a little squeamish about using that term, even though many of them will use the equally insulting "anti-choice label).
Do you not want to debate with those on the opposite side of the issue?
On prochoicetalk.com there were some very reasonable prochoicers who would enter into respectful and intelligent discussions. There might be a couple of them left on that other site as well.
IMHO, it would not be fun to just preach to the choir, but I don't want to make too many judgements, since I'm new here and have not yet grasped what this site is all about.

reply from: joe

You seem to be evading the question without a logical reason. Why mention it if you cannot provide information? I will assume you are one of them.

reply from: joe

Really? Care to elaborate?

reply from: Faramir

You seem to be evading the question without a logical reason. Why mention it if you cannot provide information? I will assume you are one of them.
What qestion am I evading and what would it mean to be "one of THEM?"
Do you think I'm a spy? An evil prochoice agent pretending to be prolife so I can infiltrate this board and then....
And then WHAT? What would be the motive?
I used to belong to that board. I was booted from that board. The board is mostly prochoice. At least half the composition of the members of that board are emotionally unstable. They monitor this board and comment about it from time to time, and are fearful of prolifers who post on boards. They think prolifers will come and get them. I don't know if it would be wise to link to the site and put terror into their hearts.
Whatever...I don't see the need to publicize it, but I do recommend visiting prochoicetalk.com--a board that is open, and where abortion and other issues can be discussed and debated in a civil manner.

reply from: Faramir

Really? Care to elaborate?
I'm going to take back the comment about "extremism" for the time being, since I don't think you can be TOO prolife.
It would have been better if had restricted my comments to the rudeness and name-calling I've seen in the short time I've been here.
I've seen someone been called a "creep" and I have been called "jerk."
That's not my idea of a civil discussion.

reply from: Altari

Faramir was booted because he's a crazy, womanizing, stalker who kicks kitties. Or was it puppies? Definitely wasn't babies, he loves them too much. I can never be sure, his crimes change so often.

reply from: Faramir

I should have expected that my past would catch up to me one day.
But I'm a new man now and have turned over a new leaf.
I no longer kick kitties.

reply from: RedTaintedRose

we can study past cultures from the medieval all the way back to the mesolithic peoples, the Vinca, who inhabited the 'cradle of humanity' long before there was ever a wandering tribe of isrealites, you do realized 'wandering' is another word for nomadic right?
We can find evidence of religion for neanderthals, we know death rites began to appears in the first homosapies, what we cannot find is a single reference to this mythological xtian god any earlier then the bronze age.
Why?
There are religious artifacts spanning 50,000 years that modern man has dug up, mother goddess, bird goddess, bear goddess was a common theme. There are countless artifacts to support the belief, muchly as people today are rediscovering this ancient belief but of this 'god' there is nothing.
He/it appears out of nowhere about 3,000 bce. Just about the time the nomadic tribes of isreal decide to plant feet in a particular area.
The 'exodus' is uniquely timed with the Hyksos leaving eqypt, they were orginally Assyrians who invaded and ruled that ancient country, flood? pfft.. there are many flood stories in artifacts, early hebrews shamelessly plaguerized the tales.
Along the 'exodus' line I wouldn't put to much store in a wagon wheel found under the red sea, unless you are willing to believe the cities of East Canopus and Heracleion were built underwater by the peoples who lived there.
Science will always trumph superstition and religion is nothing but superstition.

reply from: 4given

What does your post have to do with the discussion on this thread? Abortion? You owe Sheri an apology.

reply from: sander

I never thought you were trying to get rid of vexing. It was just a happy outcome, imo.
Pro-aborts is just a shortened version of "Pro-abortionist", which is what they are, I refuse to use "pro-choicer" just because that is what they desire and since it is not a true description of their stand. I believe as the orginal pro-abortionists believed, that this is first and last a battle of words. I will not play into their hands if at all possible.
Yes. As you might remember I said I believe in "iron sharpening iron", but the vast majority of the pro-aborts don't serve that purpose. They resort to personal attacks and exhibt threatening behavior. Their main purpose is to change the subject.
The ones who do deabate civilly refuse to answser the hard questions, such as Skippy refusing to answer if she thinks the babies who are accidently born alive deserve any mercy? When they reach a place in the debate that they can not answer without showing the true nature of abortion on demand then they shut down. We hardly, if ever, ever reach a place where we can place a logical "period" at the end of the debate.
So, I view this site for it's truer intentions, a place for pro-life people to brainstorm and share information.
I don't frequent pro abortion sites for the above stated reasons.
Understood. I hope you stay, I appreciate your points of view and your quick whit.
If we don't have enough pro-abortionists here, you can still lend your knowledge on the issues with those of like minds.

reply from: lukesmom

Faramir,
Welcome to the board and sorry if some have been "harsh" on you. You do have to understand that we have many who come to this board initially saying they are prolife when in fact they are not. Because of this we seem to have an initiation period, intentional? I don't know but I do know it is most effective. As to the name calling, rudeness etc, most of the proaborts who come here are trolling and dispite being a huge annoyance are pretty fun to bait, esp after a stressful day at work, letting the stress out at some of the idiots is relaxing. They don't come here to debate or learn but instead to troll, so why not have a little fun with them? Most of them are so full of the proabort "party line" they don't understand anything else anyway.
So, I am glad you are here and are doing ok with the "initiation" so far. I do wonder at the proabort crowd being "afraid" so afraid of you they flee this board. You making that insinuation makes me wonder and hesitate.
BTW, I stepped on a kitty on Monday, turned around and got in my way, and didn't think anything of it. Unborn children are above kitties.

reply from: lukesmom

Hey Rosie baby, are you too "big" for a well deserved apology to Sheri? We are all waiting with baited breath. All of us know you don't have enough character or moral fiber to actually admit you were wrong and apologize.

reply from: Faramir

RedTaintedRose,
You know that's a very long handle and kind of a pain to have to spell out every time. It's 14 letters long. I've come up with a way to abbreviate it. By extracting just 5 letters from your handle and rearranging them slightly, I can condense your name to "Retard." What do you think?
I'm not sure where you're going with all that you posted above. Nobody is saying civilization began the day Christ was born. Maybe you could be a little more specific.
And get back to me about whether you're ok with the abbreviation thing. I think it's kind of catchy.

reply from: yoda

I should have expected that my past would catch up to me one day.
But I'm a new man now and have turned over a new leaf.
I no longer kick kitties.
Well, if the baby killers hate you that much, you must be doing something right.

reply from: anCRYPTIon

great logic.
"people politically opposed to me only hate things which i agree with"
you know that pro-choicers also believe in property rights? so if you got robbed blind, and they got upset, you'd support the thieves?


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