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by: ProInformed

OK this thread is for collecting evidence that exposes the reality behind the more moderate and sane sounding choicer facade...
A request to the moderator:
Please do not edit the obscenity out of Lolita's post:
"She still chose to get that abortion. If she was just upset over it, I'd feel bad for her. It's that she's trying to ban it for everyone else because she didn't like it that makes her a stupid cunt."
It is important to reveal to the public that choicers who claim concern for women are sometimes lying.

reply from: yoda

I really think that Lolita and some of the other proabort trolls here are just playing a game with us. They don't really care about abortion "rights" or any other right, IMO, they just think it's hilarious to say outrageous things to prolifers and get a strong reaction out of them. Don't fall for it. Stay calm and keep your cool when responding to one of them. Don't give them the reaction they are looking for.

reply from: ProInformed

Unfortunately I know radical choicists exist because I used to be one of them and have met many others of them in person. And I assure you their anger and emotional turmoil is genuine.
I attended an event hosted at Princeton University for the discussion of using aborted babies in experimentation, even LIVING babies, and I assure you there wasn't exactly a shortage of college students there literally saying "what's the big deal" about taking a baby who'd survived an abortion and practicing vivisection on them minus anesthesia!
Most of the arguments Lolita uses for defending abortion I've heard before (but her lack of self-control and dignity in sexual matters is a newer trend... a further drift from modesty than my generation messed around with)
Sure there are trolls online, and some may pose as choicers...
But anyone with so little regard for the innocent babies killed by abortion, and their grieving mothers, that they would think it is amusing to pose as a choicer extremist, basically IS a choicer extremist in reality anyway, right?
Exposing and challenging the existence of choicer fanatics still needs to be done whichever came first: the troll-like behavior or the insensitivity towards the victims of abortion. Cause and effect feed into each other but the result is still choicer fanaticism.

reply from: ProInformed

http://prochoiceviolence.com/

reply from: ProInformed

"why why shouldent it be illegal to get pregnant the kids not gonna have a good life if the parents didn't want them in the first place and babies arent cute and adorable their nasty ass*****bags who*****in bags cry and eat you from house and home and really why does it matter you new age hippie piece of crap? it has not even lived yet and believe me if you open your eyes you'll see the world isint all that great hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? "
Just another hate-filled choicer revealing one of the real reasons they kill babies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ZYGQh4&feature=related

reply from: ProInformed

"Abortion is economically wiser. The dead babies are typically those that would grow up in a broken home and would end up committing crimes and be an ultimate drain on society. That combined with the fact that humans are well over their natural boundries on this planet, the death of both the mother and the child would ultimatly be environmentally better, making it better for the rest of us."

reply from: yoda

What? This coming from a radical proabort who regularly accuses prolifers of "not caring about born people"? Amazing....... NOT!

reply from: sander

I think it's important to highlight the insanity. A collection of them in one thread may be hard to take, but exposing darkness to light can only be a good thing.
I'll keep this thread in mind when I run across some of the more vile thoughts.

reply from: sander

Smufy excreted:
And someone please tell me what this utterly stupid person is saying?
It could have been a person....isn't one...wasn't one before!
What the heck does that mean????

reply from: sander

A very "yucky" proabort death chanter said:
This is most assuredly one for the insanity hall of fame!

reply from: yoda

Translation: I want the right to kill "it", so therefore "it" isn't a person.

reply from: sander

Translation: I want the right to kill "it", so therefore "it" isn't a person.
What was she? Afraid to "excrete" it in plain english?
Smufy is the dumbest dumb proabort, no questions.
007 at least has intellect.

reply from: yoda

Making sense is a very low priority for most proaborts. All they really want to do is to express their desire and willingness to kill babies any time, anywhere, for any reason or no reason.

reply from: ProInformed

"Translation: I want the right to kill "it", so therefore "it" isn't a person."
Yup Yoda, and THAT is the EXACT SAME justification used by ALL sociopathic killers - they denigrate their victims to sub-human status so they can excuse the cruel fatal abuse they inflict on them.
Soooo... if that sort of 'logic' were to become even more accepted/adopted...
MOST people think of sociopathic killers as being:
inhumane, subhuman, 'not human', 'monsters'...
so IF we applied the same thinking, it could be used to justify killing
the pro-aborts who think that way.
Pro-abort's arguments are ultimately irrational and logically defeat themselves.

reply from: sander

Yoda, I think they are getting more insane by the day, maybe by the minute!

reply from: nancyu

A slimeball I debated with on digg said this when I asked him what made him decide to be pro choice:
"No, I decided to be pro-choice because I believe a woman should have control over her body, and since there is no concrete scientific definition of when an individual is created (because of the circle of life, there are always steps), and there is no legal definition, that it is a woman's choice to decide things that only impact herself and her body (because the fetus is a parasitic part of her body)."

reply from: Teresa18

This gives me an opportunity to share some "gems" from liberals on another board I used to debate with.
Poster #1
I said:
"If you know abortion is so disturbing, why the heck would you support it and defend it."
Poster 1:

-Explaining why dog abuse is wrong but abortion isn't.
Poster 2
-On ESCR

reply from: sander

I was right! They are getting more INSANE by the minute!
And what the heck is the "circle of life, there are always steps" suppose to mean????
Was this smufy's brother???

reply from: sander

Oh my.....
There are state institutions for people like this...why on earth are they allowed to roam the streets????
I think the nazis would be so proud of this gem of a girl.

reply from: ProInformed

"If it's murder then why is abortion legal?
Because it's NOT MURDER!
The little lump of cells doesn't even know it exists.
If abortion is murder then masturbating is massmurder!
Anti-abortionists doesn't even have any facts, they just play on our conscience as we can clearly see in this movie. I want to see a movie about two 15-year-olds who are taking care of a baby and can't even pay for it "

reply from: ProInformed

"That's the cold, hard truth, mate! That's also why I don't send money to Africa, cause I mean, what if the 25k/year people DIDN'T die of starvation.. This world would be overflowed every quickly!"

reply from: ProInformed

"Abortion is not murder, a clump of cells that parasite on a woman hardly counts as a human. You people are the most self righteous and hypocritical *****s I've ever seen. Stop deluding yourself that you are "good" people. Stop oppressing women and keep your hateful cult out of women's vaginas!"

reply from: sander

Good God...where did that one come from????
I've got to go work, it's a good thing, I don't think I could take much more of this!

reply from: nancyu

I was right! They are getting more [b[INSANE by the minute!
And what the heck is the "circle of life, there are always steps" suppose to mean????
Was this smufy's brother???
I wouldn't be surprised. I see some similarities. Both are well educated idiots in my opinion. If it were true that "there is no concrete scientific definition of when an individual is created" I don't think they've reached that point yet. I'm sure they both are "potential" human persons, but I don't think they've quite reached that "step" yet. Who knows if they ever will.

reply from: nancyu

Don't work too hard Sander.

reply from: Teresa18

That was actually a "gem" of a man.

reply from: ProInformed

"You may think that your attitude is secular, but you should realise that it is not, if you believe that something by nature is wrong. Also, sex should be encouraged between adults whether it is premarital or not. It is a great way of getting closer to one another. However, it would save a lot of discomfort if the sex is performed in such a way that the outcome is expected. An abortion is never wanted, but needed in certain cases.
And don't mix your religious morale in to social politics."
In response to pro-life posters using non-religious reasons to oppose abortion, while the pro-abort posters pretend they are 'imposing' their 'religious beliefs' on them.
um, so is it not also 'religious' per that poster's definition to claim that encouraging sex even when the partners are not married is a good thing? The same sort of reasoning that poster used could easily be extended to define their DEVOTION to and WORSHIP of sex minus 'discomfort', plus the human sacrifice they commit in order to achieve their 'closeness' (with human bodies versus God), as religious fervor gone coo-coo.

reply from: ProInformed

a pro-lifer posted: "we should also change our attitude towards sex"
a choicer responded:
"Change our "attitudes"? Attitudes are a feeling & thinking condition. Sex is biological, natural, normal. The only way to change the attitudes is with lobodomy!"
Apparently she believes human sex should be as animalistic and mindless as animal sex. I better keep my garden hose ready just in case she gets in the mood while walking by my yard LOL (might have to hose her down like youhave to do with dogs sometimes).
Oh and I think she has lobotomy confused with castration.
BTW this is a choicer who makes fun of pro-lifers and thinks she is so much smarter than them.
Yea, what a genius LOL.
Abortionists probably cringe when they read the stupid stuff she posts becuase she just makes choicers look like lunatics.
BUT the supposedly more moderate choicers never criticize her... hmmm...

reply from: ProInformed

"97% of women who abort are thrilled to have had the option. It makes the sun shine again for most!"
pagan sun worship with human sacrifice?

reply from: ProInformed

"Are you telling me you are backing stupid women who,if not told,(but we all know they are)don't take it upon themselves to find out risks of procedures?Thats being pro-dumbass."
This 'pro-woman' choicist comment was in response to women being killed by so-called 'safe' legal abortions.

reply from: Teresa18

Response to Silent Scream on You Tube:

reply from: ProInformed

a pro-lifer posted:
"every child has the potential to be a scientist, mathematician, soldier, builder."
choicer responded:
"See!! I told you, you lived in a fairy tale box, where all is rosy. I hate to burst your cherry little bubble. but ... every child has the potential to be a mass murderer, rapist, a rapper(LOL), a jail bird, a drug user, a wife abuser, a drunk. YOU're cheerful, Ozzie & Harriet look at life, is whats askew!"
I guess they think extreme pessimism and lunatic level paranoia and hate, proves they are a genius (or not 'askew')?

reply from: ProInformed

"BLAH!! Looks like he's just digging away up her va-jay-jay! And that looks like a lot of blood. This video looks really old. I think? maybe this was done before the suction method? That was nasty"
Too stupid to even realize they are just exposing their own ignorance and crude insensitivity.

reply from: ProInformed

"This geezer is a real BASTARD!!!!!! HIS MUM?"
OK, was this poster trying to express what he thought the mother was thinking about the aborted baby?
Or was he referring to the abortionist as being the 'geezer'?

reply from: ProInformed

"Actually once you get past the first couple minutes it's not so bad. Maybe the doctor wouldn't have done such a sloppy job if he didn't have that @#$%ing camcorder in his hands, seriously wtf? LOL"
one word - desensitized

reply from: ProInformed

"Lmao Parasite deserves to die."

reply from: ProInformed

"so?why i should care? how a parasite gets out of my body?"

reply from: ProInformed

"Like when you force rape? victims to give birth? Yeah that's karma allright I hope your mother gets raped by a black person and has to have the baby so you have a half-brother who is black."
racist apparently

reply from: ProInformed

"Look at that? tight @#$%ing p@ssy sh#t I'd hit that"
one of those 'pro-woman/prochoice' males...
(posts as TedLeoAgent - probably pictures himself as the James Bond sort)
He also posted:
"This video made me horny as f@#$ send me a message if you feel the same"
funny guy...?

reply from: ProInformed

"It can't feel, it doesn't think, and doesn't have a heartbeat before the thrid trimester. Many abortion clinic doctors disagree to abortions after 6 months for that reason, because the fetus is now mostly a child, and can feel/think. Scientifically, it's a plant before then. That isn't enough for most people, though."
Must not have taken high school biology yet.

reply from: ProInformed

"Feti cannot feel anything before the third trimester. It isn't a human."

reply from: ProInformed

"You see a picture and form an opinion, and then say I get off on abortions. I'm not saying "Everyone, get pregnant and have an abortion! Seriously, it doesn't cause trauma at all!" I'm just saying to keep it a @#$%king option. Conservatives spit out so much sh#t it's literally pointless to argue with them. Mostly because they never learn their sh#t."

reply from: ProInformed

"DURR ANTI-ABORTIONISTS ARE LIKE TEH CRUSADERS, MURDERING ANYONE WHO OPPOSES THEIR BELIEFS DURR DURR
Honestly."
'Honestly'? I haven't murdered a single chanting choicer.

reply from: yoda

You may need to take a break from posting these quotes..... too much of that can be bad for your mind...... seriously.

reply from: ProInformed

"hey you son of two retards religion causes more murders than abortion never did your mom shouldve been kicked in the stomach by your retarded father when you were a fetus you @#$ken basterd F@$k you"
Of course this guy thinks he is intellectually superior to pro-lifers...

reply from: ProInformed

"You're "GOD" has "murederd" lost of helpless babiezz too, it's called a natural miscarriage!"
so because natural death exists, god is a murderer, and murdering by abortion is OK? By the same 'reasoning' ALL murders could be justified.
What a whacko!

reply from: sander

Are these people from this planet????
How else could someone think the baby isn't human????
What is it, a cat, dog, fish, alien (no offense Galen!).

reply from: QueenMay

from a pro-abort "joke":
"If I was a girl, I would get pregnant as many times as possible, then have abortions after the third month of being pregnant so I would deliver a potatoe sized 1/3 developed dead fetus. Then I would take the fetus, put it in a jar of preservative liquid and put it on a shelf in a secret room in my house. And I would do it until I had so many the room's walls were nothing but potato sized aborted fetuses. Then I would have a kid, and when they're bad I would make them sit in the fetus room and remind them of how easy I could have aborted their ass."

reply from: faithman

The really sick part of your little "joke", is that I have actually heard mom's say things like that. " If I knew then what I know now, I would have aborted you." Noi amount of behavior problems deserves that kind of emotional and mental abuse. What a terrible thing to do to a child.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

You do know that's a joke from Anonymous that they use to freak out 'lifers like you, right? It's not like we're actually out doing stuff like that.

reply from: sander

Did you read the quotes above the joke? Personally, I wouldn't put anything past you people.

reply from: sander

This was a toss up between the dumb quotes or the lunatic fringe.
from vexing
Wrong; it's okay to kill an unborn child, because you have no qualms murdering animals for pleasure. At least killing the unborn child serves a purpose - to rid the mother of her unwanted pregnancy.
You murder animals for nothing more than gratifying your tastebuds.
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Upon reflection, this is the right thread.

reply from: sander

*Bows*
Thank you for pointing out your hypocrisy.
Let me get this straight, it's cool to kill animals until they are extinct. It's okay to maim and kill dolphins to catch bucketloads of tuna for fat Americans and Japanese.
It's okay to devastate the ecology and environment of any other species, just so you can have a nice looking dining room set?
But abort a human fetus and you're a bigger villain?
Hilarious!

reply from: sander

That is so true/
Animals are WAY more innocent than humans will ever be - who ever heard of one animal hunting another for "sport"?
Killing animals has major global impacts - changes the balance of species and has effects of the vegetation - to name but two concerns.

reply from: yoda

Of what are unborn humans "guilty"?
Or do you just enjoy the thought of slaughtering them?

reply from: nancyu

That is so true/
Animals are WAY more innocent than humans will ever be - who ever heard of one animal hunting another for "sport"?
Killing animals has major global impacts - changes the balance of species and has effects of the vegetation - to name but two concerns.
You're on to something Sander. This thread practically writes itself, doesn't it.

reply from: ProInformed

"Fetuses tend to clog up your pipes"
With all the crazy things choicist say online, when Roe v Wade gets overturned, it's going to be REALLY difficult for the abortion industry pr reps to pretend that all choicists are moderate, reasonable, mature... LOL

reply from: ProInformed

"it's okay to kill an unborn child, because you have no qualms murdering animals for pleasure."
Um, maybe SHE 'murders animals for pleasure' and is projecting (assuming) we do too? I have noticed a lot of choicists have sociopathic tendencies and one of the signs of sociopathy is when they start killing pets and animals for 'fun'.
Sickos

reply from: ProInformed

"Of what are unborn humans "guilty"?
Or do you just enjoy the thought of slaughtering them?"
Apparently unborn babies are 'guilty' of spoiling the fun of 'free sex', or rather of exposing the fact that 'free sex' is just a myth.
It's sociopathy and selfishness of the worst kind to kill an innocent baby just because they don't want to at least care for the baby until she/he can be adopted by non-violent, unselfish, responsible, loving parents.
Sickos

reply from: sander

That is so true/
Animals are WAY more innocent than humans will ever be - who ever heard of one animal hunting another for "sport"?
Killing animals has major global impacts - changes the balance of species and has effects of the vegetation - to name but two concerns.
You're on to something Sander. This thread practically writes itself, doesn't it.
They do tend to expose themselves for the lunatics they are, without any aid needed.
Hit the one little button and there ya go!

reply from: sander

This one definatley rates the lunatic thread.
Yoda heard this one:

reply from: sander

No, it's not just you, it's utter nonsense what she uttered.
It's also spoken like a sociopath. I fear this is what 35 years of abortion on demand has created in the minds of so many.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Yes. It has the right to live and the right to be born, but not the right to use another person's body against their will to achieve this. It's sort of like how people have the right to have sex, but not the right to use someone else's body against their will (rape) to do that.

reply from: sander

Yes. It has the right to live and the right to be born, but not the right to use another person's body against their will to achieve this. It's sort of like how people have the right to have sex, but not the right to use someone else's body against their will (rape) to do that.
Maybe you got "wasted" too often, how else can one explain the sheer idiocy of your beliefs?
It might work as a defense if your sociopath tendencies surface.

reply from: yoda

Yes. It has the right to live and the right to be born, but not the right to use another person's body against their will to achieve this. It's sort of like how people have the right to have sex, but not the right to use someone else's body against their will (rape) to do that.
Maybe you got "wasted" too often, how else can one explain the sheer idiocy of your beliefs?
It might work as a defense if your sociopath tendencies surface.
Here's my take on that.... as "born people", we don't ordinarily have the right to steal bread from the store. But if we are starving to death, at least in my state, it is legal to do so. Except in abortion law, human life always takes precedence over property rights, and every other right.

reply from: Rawr

That is so true/
Animals are WAY more innocent than humans will ever be - who ever heard of one animal hunting another for "sport"?
Killing animals has major global impacts - changes the balance of species and has effects of the vegetation - to name but two concerns.
Sorry if this was just a joke and my sarcasm meter is broken, but wolves, cats, raccoons, weasels, chickens and dogs all kill for "sport," fun or just out of boredom. I'm sure there are more animals that do as well.
And I'm pretty sure people don't kill animals for pleasure (which I'm pretty sure is illegal); they do it for food, which is something you need to live.
Again, sorry if I've missed the sarcasm, I've just seen Animal Right's activists who are this crazy. >.>

reply from: sander

That is so true/
Animals are WAY more innocent than humans will ever be - who ever heard of one animal hunting another for "sport"?
Killing animals has major global impacts - changes the balance of species and has effects of the vegetation - to name but two concerns.
Sorry if this was just a joke and my sarcasm meter is broken, but wolves, cats, raccoons, weasels, chickens and dogs all kill for "sport," fun or just out of boredom. I'm sure there are more animals that do as well.
And I'm pretty sure people don't kill animals for pleasure (which I'm pretty sure is illegal); they do it for food, which is something you need to live.
Again, sorry if I've missed the sarcasm, I've just seen Animal Right's activists who are this crazy. >.>
You didn't miss any sarcasm, this is how this person really thinks!
Btw, welcome.

reply from: Faramir

You've been living under a rock, right? Surely?
You've never heard of this sport called 'hunting'?
Y'know, the one where people shoot animals for fun?
You don't need to eat half the animal exploiting products you consume. You do it for the pleasure you get from your tastebuds.
Animals are being slaughtered in the millions just to make you feel good. So you can have a nice looking coat or pair of shoes. So that you can suck their blood from a medium rare steak.
Do you get me?
How do you feel about the way animals treat each other?
My kitty--who I love--was terrorizing a poor lizard today just for fun, and I had to rescue it.
You are expecting us to do for animals what they won't do for each other.

reply from: galen

according to vegan.com there are 55 billion vegans worldwide...
i hope that outweighs the # of abortions worldwide this year...
will you become pro-life now?

reply from: galen

yep i was wrong....
however its kinda hard to type out stuff when its translated through your kid...
the aphasia thing... he help me out right now..
i apologise.

reply from: galen

ok apporxamately 1.3% of the US is vegetarian...
us pop = apprx 304,000,000 so that's roughly 39,520,000 vegt people...
# of abortions preformed in 2003 ( per AGI) 1,287,000
we still win.... so can you please be prolife now?

reply from: galen

no that is the # of animals raised yearly... for meat clothing etc... it includes all the sheep llamas alpacas rabits that are used for yarn, chickens for eggs etc... not just the # slaughtered..
but if you want to get into those #'s...
928,978,112 is the # of abortions thru dec 2006 worldwide.
if we use the pop for the world and a conservative estimate of the # of vegans at 1 % that gives us 66,727,772.26
the number of vegetarians is estimated to be 1/2 the world population wich would be roughly 3,336,388,613
so can you be prolife now?

reply from: galen

say 1/2 are killed that is 27,500,000.. world wide.
the number of abortions were..928,978,112 world wide
it means we are still killing more kids than we are animals... sad isn't it.
now will you be prolife?

reply from: galen

well they come from AGI wich is the researc h arm of planned parenthood... so who would you believe?

reply from: galen

NASS? please provide a link.... i would like to see figures...
so chickens and fish are more important to you than children?
why not just lay down in the mud and let the ants eat you?
then you will have contributed to the earth..

reply from: galen

as a vegan i wonder what she thinks i am...i mean really!
My hair dye is not animal tested... i wear cotton... i have dogs cats fish birds in my house and i don't use leather...
so where am i violent? in fact i would dare to say i am one of the most nonviolent people on this board..

reply from: galen

why didn't you just say the USDA? really ... i at least used a group that you respected for my figures...
USDA is not known for its accuracy...

reply from: Faramir

If you're willing to do it to every other species, why not your own?
At least that would be keeping it 'in house' so to speak.
But you don't care what I think, so it's pointless arguing with you.
You're selfish, that's what it boils down to.
Anything else but your own.
No sense of global responsibility.
F--- the other animals.
That's what they say to other animals too. Many of them will eat us alive if they have a chance.

We make abortion illegal so we have more humans to kill more animals.
Survival of the fattest.

reply from: sander

Most prolifers here are very concerned with the welfare of animals and we also care deeply about human life.
It seems it's the proaborts who can't walk and chew gum at the same time, it's animals only and screw the humans, especially if they're still in the womb where they don't stand a chance.
It's hypocricy at it's very worse.

reply from: galen

I think you need to work on your math too.
Half of 55 billion is not 27.5 million.
So YOUR figures are still wrong.
Even using yours, that's still 26.5 billion more animal deaths than abortions.
An absolutely shocking figure.
Why are you not appalled by that, but are outraged by abortion?
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sorry i was speaking of the half that are raised for meat that could be concievably slaughtered in a year... but you are right that i mightnt have all the figures for the world...they do not publish stats such as that.
Anyway...
YOU still are holding out that animals are greater than people... why not give a fetus the same rights you would give to those animals you seem to care so much about... they are still innocent.. possibly MORE so than an animal, because they are as yet uncorrupted by society.
now can you be pro-life?

reply from: galen

and they say I'M the one with a brain problem....

reply from: Rawr

Small animals such as rabbits, mice, insects, etc. are knowingly killed during crop harvests. They're also poisoned with pesticides and hunters are given permits to hunt pests such as deer to protect crops. I know I wouldn't eat corn if I knew innocent humans were living in the fields and killed during the harvest.
So unless you're growing all of your own food or getting it from someone who does, animals are dying for you to eat.

reply from: sander

Organic. Says it all.
It's more expensive, but worth it.
So, you don't grow your own food. Organic does not say it all, you just hope Rawr and the rest of us will fall for it.
Other life forms are indeed killed during the growing of organic food, just not with the kind of pesticides that are used with non-organic crops.

reply from: sander

Depends entirely of what 'breed' of organic food you choose.
Hogwash.
Unless you are growing everything you eat, other life forms are dieing so you can stay alive.

reply from: sander

Let me edit the above.
Even IF you are growing your own food, you better be careful how you water the plants, it doesn't take much to drown an insect.

reply from: nancyu

Mary, you waste your time even playing this game with her....
It was well said, and time well wasted IMO.

reply from: yoda

Fortunately, others can read her well chosen words also. They stand in stark, beautiful contrast to the psychotic ramblings of the proabort she was responding to.

reply from: sander

Fortunately, others can read her well chosen words also. They stand in stark, beautiful contrast to the psychotic ramblings of the proabort she was responding to.
Poor old Yoda has so many people on ignore that he's as lost as a chinch bug in a fire drill.
He's not the one that is lost, it's vexing and he/she's as lost as a goose in a fog!
No offense to geese worlwide.

reply from: yoda

Fortunately, others can read her well chosen words also. They stand in stark, beautiful contrast to the psychotic ramblings of the proabort she was responding to.
Poor old Yoda has so many people on ignore that he's as lost as a chinch bug in a fire drill.
He's not the one that is lost, it's vexing and he/she's as lost as a goose in a fog!.
If being relieved of the task of reading constant personal attacks on me and others makes me "lost"..... then I shall happily stay "lost".

reply from: sander

Skippy, who isn't God even half the time said,

reply from: ProInformed

"Everyone is accountable for their own actions and responsible for their own life. In a normal world, anyone that cannot fend for himself, and has no one to fend for him, dies.
The world in which we live, where the homeless are fed, and debates about the lives of unwanted children are fought, is an abomination against nature."
posted by synthemeschthewise under comments for the U-Tube video "Killing Girls"
Apparently doing any kind deed for the homeless or helpless is an "abomination against nature"! Sure it may be a rarity among animals, but it's one of the things that makes us human/humane (some of us anyway).
Oh and so much for the common choicer chastisement of pro-lifers for us supposedly not caring/doing enough to help the already born before we can (earn from THEM the right to?) protect the unborn from their brutal violence. It's not difficult at all to expose choicist pretense of concern for people living in poverty, victims of child abuse, victims of rape, etc. as fake. Usually their major interest in those victims is in using them as an excuse for abortion-on-demand. They rarely DO anything themselves to really help those victims. Why would they? Because first of all their concern isn't even real and secondly if they offered those victims real solutions, they'd be depriving themselves of so many honorable-sounding excuses to defend killing babies.

reply from: ProInformed

On CBS news this morning they interviewed a volunteer who was helping to stack sandbags to keep back the flood waters. She looked to be about 10 years old and said: "It's more important to help people than to have fun."
I guess some choicers think she's an "abomination of nature" huh?

reply from: neat62

This is WHY we are calling for more ANGER and OUTRAGE! These are the reasons this horror is made acceptable in society...the lunatics always get their way...they are loud, they are disgusting and they are mad...they have made supporting issues like abortion and gay rights their "religion"...they won't stop until they get everything they want....while, we on the pro-lfie side, say things like "well, I am too busy working my job and being responsible to participate in a protest"...sigh...
Its time for us to renew a more impassioned fight!
http://neweraprolife.blogspot.com/

reply from: sander

Take a look folks, see what is being done in the name of.....what?
What name, what reason, what point, what justification is there in this?
Where is the mercy, where is the compassion? Where is the justice?
Where will it end?

reply from: neat62

[quote]Take a look folks, see what is being done in the name of.....what?
What name, what reason, what point, what justification is there in this?
Where is the mercy, where is the compassion? Where is the justice?
Where will it end?
[/quote]
Exactly sander...that's why we want to get MORE angry...we want to show our true disgust at this disgraceful horror...come join us!
http://neweraprolife.blogspot.com

reply from: faithman

All those who believe all pro-aborts are liars, raise yourhttp://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html . Click "hands" for results.

reply from: Teresa18

Spinwiddy coughed up:

reply from: sander

Very good, Teresa. I forgot about this thread, and Spinwiddy's coughing sure belongs here!

reply from: 4given

Now this is comparable to something I just read..

reply from: sander

Originally posted by: LiberalChiRo
I don't care because there are far more important things to care about, like our BORN adult brothers and sisters dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sorry if I care more about them than a few accidentally alive, unwanted fetuses from botched abortions - that were probably being aborted for GOOD reasons

reply from: jujujellybean

would you say that those animals we made extinct were more important than the humans that are being killed perhaps as we speak?

reply from: yoda

Juju, you need to work on the attributions in that post.

reply from: ProInformed

"probably being aborted for GOOD reasons"
How a pro-abort soothes what little conscience they have I guess?
The same sort of mindset that would see a man hitting a woman and assure themself that 'staying out of it' is best because the woman probably deserved it?
My dad once called the police because a neighbor had hung his little doggy from its leash on the clothesline and then proceeded to beat the dog with a stick.
No doubt the neighbor felt he had "GOOD reasons" for the violence he committed against his small, innocent victim... bullies always do, don't they?
The fact is, according to the abortion industry's own voluntary reporting, the vast majority of abortions have nothing at all to do with the 'hard cases', the supposedly "GOOD reasons" choicists chant. And while assuring themself that the victim was "probably being aborted for GOOD reasons" may be effective at numbing their own conscience and protecting themself from facing reality, it does nothing to numb the pain the innocent baby feels, doesn't change the reality that a vicious act of violence has been committed against an innocent victim.
Sickos

reply from: sander

Originally posted by: sheri
Also I have never met a woman who was happy she had an abortion, at best she would say "I HAD to do it, etc."
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Then Spinnwiddy compared killing a child to a root canal:
You'll get the same response from women who have chosen to have root canals. Nobody wants one, it's never fun, but it's often the best treatment when prevention fails.
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Lunatics know no boundries.

reply from: sander

Lunactic fringe member and anti-woman, Spinwiddy said,

reply from: yoda

Oh YEAH....... that's a CLASSIC, all right.............

reply from: faithman

I LIKE it!
And then all that emotion burns away with no real effective avenue to channel it into. Of course the medical field will prosper with all the disease such frustrated anger and realated stress it would cause. So I guess there is a silver lineing in your dark fury cloud.

reply from: sander

Oh YEAH....... that's a CLASSIC, all right.............
Don't you just feel all "God's love" (because that's what He's ALL about), oozing out of her post? So much of "God's compassion", though limited it may be.

reply from: sander

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Much worse in my opinion. Ten thousand times worse. There is NO excuse for being anti-woman. Period. I'd rather see a thousand babies aborted than a woman abused or told she wasn't "good" enough or "smart" enough to do anything in life she wanted.
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It takes one massive ego to rather see one thousand dead babies then.......................I don't care what gets filled in the blank, it's lunatic fringe in all it's bloody glory.

reply from: 4given

The Pro-abortion folks have a new poster child, huh?

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I'm just on pins and needles waiting for someone to say "You nasty prolifers treated me so badly I'm going to go back to being prochoice".

reply from: 4given

I guess you called it Yoda.. Maybe I thought it would come from the tips of a "choicer".. but assumed either way that once again- a new justification to continue supporting the mass killing of children could be added to the long list.. Sigh. God have mercy! Pity....

reply from: sander

As if anyone who would say that wasn't proabortion all along....how many turnip trucks do they think exist?

reply from: faithman

What is more apealing, a "whore house", or a work shop of divine activity? The so called women's advocates are the ones who devalue women as nothing more that an apparatus at a sexual sporting event to be used by irresponcible men. Personhood folks honor women as persons, whos womb is a divine work shop where the very image of the Creator is replicated, and the gift of life is breathed into the unique vessel of individual humanity. The death murchants constantly come up with "what if" excusses to devalue the office of motherhood, and exalt the whorish debasment of women as objects of sexual pleasure, and the gift of womb life, as an inconveniant by product of their puriant desire. But it is a common tactic of the godless humanist to vomit their evil, and blame others for it's reprocussions. The pro-death dogs can not help but return to their own puke and vigerously lap it up. They will leave us, for they were never of us.

reply from: sweet

this proves their evil, demonic nature--really, really sad. i would think twicea bout being in the same room with them--and letting them come near my children!

reply from: yoda

I never saw such a large load of crap on one page of this forum before.
Congratulations, you just set a rather dubious record.

reply from: sweet

by 'Draiocht'
"People who force abortions are as bad as people who prohibit them. I don't support forcing women to undergo the procedure anymore than I support forcing them to remain pregnant against their will.
Women are people, not life-support machines."
by sweet:this saddens me and deeply concerns me that this is a justification for killing babies.

reply from: scopia1982

You didn't really think it would stand unchallenged on this forum, did you? I anxiously await a "great response" to my rebuttal if any of you feel up to it...
CP I have learned one thing about the proaborts is they take the term evasive to a whole other level. They have a script that they follow. If you challenge them and ask for a response that causes them to deviate from it they get downright mad. Thats when the rhetoric and euphamesims come in. If you really piss them off they just wont answer you.

reply from: Draiocht

I recall seeing a short film on youtube called "abortion man" by the Wayans brothers. It was disgusting. A guy finds out he knocked up his girlfriend and he calls the dubious "superhero", Abortionman for help. While smacking on gum, the "hero" flies to the woman and punches her in the stomach to make her miscarry. Some of the comments were plainly made by trolls but I'm sure there were prolifers jumping on the chance to paint prochoicers with the same brush. People that say things like "smack that b*tch" and "funniest thing I ever saw" in regards to clips like that and the "silent scream" are just searching for reactions and I doubt they care one way or the other about the abortion debate.
People like Army of God are all too real though, and they unfortunately practice terrorism tactics and kill people to fight their political battles. What's worse is that people who aren't just looking for a reaction support their actions and hail them as "heros".

reply from: Rhiannontex

Are you still accepting quotes? Because this one is a doozy.
"I *****ing LOVE abortion, I tell other people all the time that I have had many of them, and would recommend the experience to anyone.
No other experience in my life has liberated me so much. No other experience has challenged me so much, and not because it was emotionally hard, but because I had to stand up for myself and demand what I wanted in life and that is never easy. Rather than growing babies I have no interest in, I have grown and invested into my own life and future, and hell *****ing yes, I am proud of that."
I'll be honest, when I read the letter/post that this is from, the first thought that came to mind was a pro-life troll. I find it hard to believe anyone would have this attitude in real life.

reply from: ChristopherLaRock

There are people who take pride in killing their own pre-born children. I've conversed with such people on other sites, and know they do exist.

reply from: ProInformed

There are people who take pride in killing their own pre-born children. I've conversed with such people on other sites, and know they do exist.
I've met such pro-aborts both online and in person - unfortunately this is real.
The old media helped the abortion industry keep it secret for PR purposes but there's not much the abortion industry and old media can do to silence the pro-aborts online who are revealing their extremist POVs.

reply from: ProInformed

"An August 2, 1981 story in the Philadelphia Inquirer said that in July of 1979, Dr. Boyd Cooper performed an abortion at 23 weeks at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. The 1 lb 2 oz infant boy gasped and tried to breathe. No efforts were made to revive the infant due to the parents' wishes and the infant's size. The baby was placed in a utility room used as an infant morgue. Cooper instructed nurse, "Leave the baby there -- it will die." The nurse testified that the baby was still gasping in the closet when she returned to work 12 hours later. Cooper then finally agreed to allow the baby to be transferred to intensive care, where he died 4 days later. Despite having left the child gasping, cold and alone, in a morgue for over twelve hours, the baby's death was ruled accidental."
Considering that Obama supports keeping it legal for abortionists to fatally neglect babies who survive abortion, AND that he was the ONLY one in Congress to speak in opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, AND that even Hiallry Clinton and NARAL backed away from opposing BAIPA, AND that he voted agaisnt protecting thos ebabies 4 times... Obama is most definitely part of the lunatic fringe.

reply from: ProInformed

OK, this definitely belongs in the lunatic category:
"In the early days of November 1983, a conference was held in the beautiful old city of Barcelona, Spain. On this day, this majestic city facing the Mediterranean Sea was overtaken by thousands of Spanish feminists, gathered there to conference on how to best change Spain's protective abortion laws.
At the height of the convention, two young pregnant women were taken into a conference room and aborted. The abortions were taped for posterity and at the next day's general assembly the leading feminists of the day held up two glass jars containing the remains of the two aborted children.
The thunderous applause led to cheers and screams of delight as the two dead babies were displayed right above the heads of the speakers as if they were trophies. Those there report that the room shook from the stomping of feet and the chants that followed.
From the stage, as the dead children were continuously displayed, the speakers claimed that this was the only way for Spanish women to reach the utmost of equality. They were empowered by the "courageous" acts of the unnamed abortionist and began a pro-abortion campaign never before seen in that country."
By Rai Rojas
Stomping their feet and chanting at the sight of the bodies of innocent babies who were killed by abortion reminds me of that 'flesh fair' scene in the movie AI where those backwards barbaric morons were cheering the destruction of robots... only these babies are innocent human babies.

reply from: CharlesD

Exactly what is that supposed to mean? I was in high school in '83. Is that so ancient? Am I ancient now? It doesn't seem like that long ago to me.
How exactly does the number of years that have elapsed since something happened diminish what happened? Side argument once again. No bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand.

reply from: ProInformed

Exactly what is that supposed to mean? I was in high school in '83. Is that so ancient? Am I ancient now? It doesn't seem like that long ago to me.
How exactly does the number of years that have elapsed since something happened diminish what happened? Side argument once again. No bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand.
A more up-to-date example of choicist callousness:
Originally posted by: xenatigerLOL.
"I'm for abortion. Not murder. One does not equal the other."

reply from: CharlesD

Current and relevant:
1. The unborn are human beings.
2. It's wrong to kill innocent human beings.
3. Abortion kills innocent human beings.
Every other argument is a secondary issue.

reply from: CharlesD

Since I'm white, I guess I can't comment on racism either.

reply from: sweet

very true: 1. The unborn are human beings.
2. It's wrong to kill innocent human beings.
3. Abortion kills innocent human beings. and only lunatics will think otherwise

reply from: CharlesD

Ok, let me specify. Can I comment on any issue that I am not a direct part of? I think I can because there are issues that are just basic human rights issues. That is why I can have an opinion on the genocide in Darfur or the Russian invasion of Georgia. Both are situations that I am not a party to, but both are issues that I can look at, weigh the different sides, and form an opinion. I don't have to be Jewish to believe that anti-semitism is wrong. Likewise, I can have a relevant point of view on abortion. Whether or not I am a woman, I can look at the issue and see what the right and wrong is. My wife can't get pregnant either (not from lack of trying ), but that doesn't disqualify her from having an opinion either.

reply from: sweet

true...sorry to hear that about your wife...i had the same problem (didn't even know what was wrong)--in the end, God shed his grace!! i have 3 children now! there is a time for every purpose (including not conceiving).

reply from: sweet

So where are my miracle babies?
Apparently all that is required is prayer.
Yet not one TS woman has ever gotten pregnant.
Why doesn't your god give back missing arms and legs?not to be mean, but females get pregnant, not males. 'TS women' are males.

reply from: CharlesD

Any Christian who claims to completely understand God is a liar. I wish I had an easy answer to those questions, but the truth is that there just isn't one. The rain falls on the just and the unjust, according to the scripture. If you read the gospels, Jesus didn't heal everyone. There are accounts of Him healing many people, but it never says that He healed everyone.
God does whatever He pleases and often humans can't understand why. Our minds are finite. We can't possibly grasp the ways of God. I know it sounds trite, but that's pretty much it. Some people are blessed and some aren't. If it was up to me, only the women who wanted babies would conceive. That would eliminate abortion and a lot of other problems we see, but I'm not God. Well, I know I probably didn't answer your question. Only God could answer that one, so you'd have to take that up with Him.

reply from: sweet

So where are my miracle babies?
Apparently all that is required is prayer.
Yet not one TS woman has ever gotten pregnant.
Why doesn't your god give back missing arms and legs?not to be mean, but females get pregnant, not males. 'TS women' are males.
*headdesk*
How many times do we have to go over this?
Plenty of TS women are XXY or another form of intersex.
You seriously can't be this stupid.Ok-well females get pregnant.

reply from: sweet

Originally posted by: Vexing
Tell that to the women born without a uterus.
they already know.

reply from: sweet

what exactly are you responding to? FEMALES get pregnant. a FEMALE was pregnant with you--that's why YOU'RE here.

reply from: CharlesD

This conversation is obviously going nowhere. Impossible is a word that really has no meaning if you first accept that God exists. He could do whatever He darn well pleases, including making limbs grow back, but He doesn't choose to do that. Does the fact that some people don't get healed miraculously somehow discredit the existence of God? God doesn't have to behave according to our human notions of what we expect from Him.

reply from: lukesmom

God doesn't always give us what we pray for but He does give us what we NEED. Sometimes what we ask for isn't in our best interests and what we need we didn't understand that need.

reply from: CharlesD

You could be a big help with this bailout plan. I suggest you get busy conjuring.

reply from: lukesmom

Someone who had their legs blown off by a mine doesn't NEED their legs?
I don't think asking for your legs back wouldn't be in your best interest.
It would be VERY MUCH in your best interest.
Surely if God has healed lepers and non-amputee cripples, he can grow limbs back.
Yet there isn't a single recorded instance of this happening.
Ahhh...actually they may WANT their legs but they don't NEED their legs. Last night I watched a documentary about a woman with no legs. She had pelvic bones but no legs. She gets around with a wheeled board (like a skate board) and her hands and arms. She is married and has a child and is trying to get pregnant with her second. She is a working mom...she is a mechanic and races cars. She also cares for her elderly father who has alzheimers and her developementally disabled adult brother. At the end she says she learned early on to love what is on the inside of herself and to live life on her terms. She successfully lives without legs as do millions of other people who live without limbs, sight, hearing, etc. God may not have grown their limbs, etc back but He did give them something more important; a sense of worth, strength to be whatever they want.
You see, when something is taken away, God can give something else more important back...tripled.
This is the knowlege and understanding of faith you are missing. And you are missing the joy that comes with this understanding. I have lost much in my lifetime but what I have gained through these loses is immeasurable. All because of God. You can have this too if you so chose.

reply from: lukesmom

Life is not logical; it is inconsistant.
Can you see the air you breath? Or touch it? Or hear it? Does air not exist? How is it you don't understand that without suffering you cannot have the opposite happiness. Everyone in this world suffers in some form. Those of us who live in God's faith and love find that suffering can lead to a greater happiness, a more appriciated happiness and actual joy. God doesn't create suffering; man does but God can help us use that suffering to strengthen ourselves and learn. And in that strengthening is joy and at the end of this worldly suffering is eternal happiness.
And that is sad. I hope and pray you will eventually be led to ignore inconsistencies and find faith.

reply from: lukesmom

First of all I don't read or quote the bible. It is a book of human interpetations further interpeted by whomever whats to say they are an authority. (Now that will certainly get me into trouble, I'm sure!) My faith has been a personal growth. I am a specific religion because that is the religion I have always been and am comfortable with it. You can be any religion or none and still have faith in God. My statement was a reflection of what I personally have learned through the years. Nothing more, nothing less.
No, I am saying that man frequently makes his own problems through his/her choices. I am saying that God doesn't necessarily answer all requests same as all other responsible parents. Often what we want and ask for are not in our best interests. Job did a lot of suffering and a lot of learning. I better go find a bible and read the story before I say anything more on that!
I believe man was made perfect initially but, darn, at that apple and became the imperfect humans we are today. God didn't screw up, man did. Does God know everything? Hmmm...I don't know. I hope I get to find out.
I believe God "opens" paths and allows us to chose. Is that what you call "free will"? Some of us screw up more than others or maybe some of us screw up more openly than others. I think He can see who is consistantly chosing and maybe even seeking the less "rightous" path. I think He also puts roadblocks in our path to try to turn us in the other direction. I don't think He wants us to be condemed but some of us condemn ourselves in our blindness and stubberness.
I don't know why God does what He does either and I sure have a lot to ask Him about that. I do believe God is superior to me same as my earthly father is superior to me because they have both been around a lot longer, seen a lot more and therefore have a greater wisdom and understandign than I do. I don't see faith or religion or life as logical. Heck, I deal in the illogical daily and that is why I am a good problem solver. God is what He is. Religion is what each person whats it to be and often people try to make God what they want Him to be too.
I assert there is a God because of what I have felt inside and what I have seen in this life. Could there be a possibility that those who have never felt Him are the deluded ones?

reply from: lukesmom

If something happened to cause me to lose my legs, I could survive and continue life without them. I don't need them to continue to live my life.

reply from: lukesmom

Since I have cared for several pts with leg amputations, I have no problem with doing this. I'll also talk to my aunt who lost one leg this past spring and most likely will loose the second this winter. You have no clue, do you? 2 weeks ago I discharged a man who lost one leg and most likely will lose the other in the next couple years. When I told him he'll lose it faster if he doesn't stop taking risks, he told me "what will be, will be" and if he loses the second he will be fine. And he will.

reply from: lukesmom

Since I have cared for several pts with leg amputations, I have no problem with doing this. I'll also talk to my aunt who lost one leg this past spring and most likely will loose the second this winter. You have no clue, do you? 2 weeks ago I discharged a man who lost one leg and most likely will lose the other in the next couple years. When I told him he'll lose it faster if he doesn't stop taking risks, he told me "what will be, will be" and if he loses the second he will be fine. And he will.
Anything else you want me to ask them?

reply from: lukesmom

Since I have cared for several pts with leg amputations, I have no problem with doing this. I'll also talk to my aunt who lost one leg this past spring and most likely will loose the second this winter. You have no clue, do you? 2 weeks ago I discharged a man who lost one leg and most likely will lose the other in the next couple years. When I told him he'll lose it faster if he doesn't stop taking risks, he told me "what will be, will be" and if he loses the second he will be fine. And he will.
Anything else you want me to ask them?

reply from: lukesmom

I find that to be an insightful response.
Well, if they have "never felt him," I fail to see how that would constitute "delusion."
Could it be they HAVE felt Him and explained it away as so often humans do? Could it be what we sometimes call "our conscience speaking" be in actuallity the voice of God?

reply from: lukesmom

Of course I wouldn't put it that way. I do ask how their amputation has impacted their life because that is one of the things I need to know to care for them.
Why is it you resort to name calling when you don't understand something or someone calls your bluff? Are you really that insecure? I am not asking to be sarcastic but in true curiosity as we have seen this name calling trend in certain posters lately.

reply from: lukesmom

Gotta go to bed as it is later than I thought and work comes early... Night

reply from: ProInformed

Originally posted by: xenatiger
"Actually, I do. If the child was only going to survive a short time, I would abort.
Why waste resources?"
Um so much for the choicist pretense of being compassionate.

reply from: lukesmom

If being an amputee improves someone's quality of life so much, why don't people do it voluntarily, when they have healthy limbes?
That's laughable. I called YOUR bluff and you tried to evade into nonsense.
Being a cripple is NOT pleasant. I lost the use of my left leg for six months and my quality of life was drastically reduced - especially as I was 11 and it meant I couldn't participate in the activities that other kids could participate in.
I've also broken my left wrist twice and my right wrist once. Losing the use of my hands for three months at a time was EXTREMELY unpleasant and also reduce the quality of my life.
Stop bullsh*tting everyone. Being crippled is awful.
So back to the point...
Why doesn't God grow back limbs?
Surely there are people devout enough to deserve their limbs back?
Why does God not perform VISIBLE miracles?
Why does God never do anything outside the conventional laws of physics and recognised biological phenomena?
Seems to me he's powerless.
But of course, I can also grow back the limbs of amputees.
I just choose not to.
Having all of your limbs is a blessing most of us take for granted BUT we can all live normal lives if we didn't have those limbs. Just because someone is missing a limb doesn't mean all life ends for that individual. Now due to the trial of suffering felt with the loss of that limb the individual will grow in other areas. I am sorry you were too young to learn that as a child. Is that what is making you so bitter and nasty these days?

reply from: lukesmom

I find that to be an insightful response.
Well, if they have "never felt him," I fail to see how that would constitute "delusion."
Could it be they HAVE felt Him and explained it away as so often humans do? Could it be what we sometimes call "our conscience speaking" be in actuallity the voice of God?
I will concede that this is indeed possible if you will concede that it is equally possible that those who claim to "feel" or have felt "God" may be deluding themselves... In my view, there is simply no way to be sure when it comes to the existence of "God." On the other hand, I believe that those who deny objective reality in favor of their beliefs are obviously deluded.
It is one thing to believe something, but quite another to assert that only your beliefs are valid, that unprovable beliefs, held completely on blind faith are indisputable facts. There is nothing wrong with believing in God (or not believing, if that is your choice), but in either case, they are just beliefs, not proven facts. An atheist who insists that s/he is certain that there is no God, asserting that to be fact, is equally in error. Neither can be sure that s/he is right, regardless of how convinced they may be that they are...
And in my view, there is simply no way NOT to be sure.
This whole world may be an actual delusion. Joke there. I don't feel deluded. Do you see air? Do you touch air? Can you taste air or hear air? Is there not air? Can you see thoughts or hear thoughts but yet you still have thoughts. What about that 6th unnamed sense which is actually used alot in medical practice. Not everything in the world can be explained logically but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Spiritual faith is believing in God without seeing, touching, hearing. I know God is with me. No one will ever convince me otherwise because, while I can't "prove" Him to you or anyone else, I have my own proof that is mine alone and I trust myself. I don't expect anyone else to understand. I find other religions and beliefs interesting but prefer my own.
"objective reality" is not always the truth. Often what we think we see is not the reality. And reality changes, the unbelievable of the 18th century is now common everyday technology. You would tag the 18th century foreward thinkers as being delusional and look where we are now.

reply from: 4given

Right. It is much more compassionate to tear limbs off one at a time, then crush the skull in to pull in quickly out. Nothing is quite as compassionate as dismemberment.

reply from: 4given

Exactly. In fact my favorite paraplegic has actually stated that he would prefer to have his limbs amputated, than live with the useless, except for pain of course- legs that he has. I would have to say that I would prefer he was an amputee than spinal cord injured as well. For anyone to disrespect the human spirit, by stating that paraplegics and amputees- the disabled, have no quality of life, that brings up an entirely different issue. Working, caring and living with the disabled, various disabilities, I learned how selfish I am, as well as how much the average person takes for granted. No amount of empathy can mirror experience.

reply from: ProInformed

"This is the dumbest f***ing thing. This ***** is ugly, she should of died instead of risking? infecting our gene pools."
Doesn't sound 'pro-choice', moderate, or compassionate to me.
It sounds pro-abortion, extremists, and hateful.
Oh but supposedly nobody's pro-abortion - just pro-choice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kIfFTP595Q&feature=related

reply from: ProInformed

http://www.worldmag.com/articles/14473

reply from: sweet

awesomely BEAUTIFUL article---we do need to base our decisions on 'content of heart' instead of skin color---Obama is NOT the best pick for blacks.

reply from: Rhiannontex

How do you even begin to reply to someone like this? Since when does value of life come from how many people mourn you? Is a homeless person who dies alone in the desert and is totally unmissed somehow worth less than someone who dies surrounded by his/her family? If not, than how can you say that an aborted baby is worth less? BTW, what makes you think the aborted unborn will NOT be mourned by someone? I know of at least five people who mourn my niece's aborted baby.

reply from: ProInformed

"You better believe if I were a woman and I found out I was pregnant, I would have that little tumor cut right out."
A comment left by a 'pro-choice' poster at a U-Tube video about Gianna.

reply from: abeorshun

Maybe she should get a dose of reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFo72lkRSQ

reply from: ProInformed

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

Yea, why is it so trendy and socially acceptable for pro-aborts to spew hate-speech? Hypocrites.

reply from: ProInformed

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"Some of you seem to be confused as to what Utilitarians think about society. They are not concerned with people have a maximally useful role; they are concerned with the greatest possible pleasure of the largest possible number of beings. At least the school I fall under, the "hedonistic" school thinks that way. We don't care if the poor are not useful as long as the maximize the pleasure on Earth, and hence they maximize utility."
So it doesn't matter if thousands innocent babies are killed per day and women are being systematically lied to, coerced, injured, or even killed by the abortion industry... as long as ProLulzer is being pleasured.
pro-abortion hedonism - a.k.a. sociopathic bimboism

reply from: ProInformed

Incorrect.
...as long as the MAXIMUM number of people are happy/being pleasured.
Thanx for adding evidence of your pro-abort extremist to this thread.
For clarification purposes exactly how many baby's and women's lives do you feel are expendable as long as it enables others to have some sexual fun?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I've never denied some people aren't pro-abortion, and I've even cited examples of people who ARE: but not ALL pro-choicers are pro-abortion, so it's wrong to call them ALL that. Just like not all Christians are bigots, brainwashed or women haters.

reply from: ProInformed

Bumping for vex-whatever who just posted a claim in another thread that nobody hates unborn babies.
Vex-whatever has posted in this 'lunatic fringe' thread so it's dishonest for her to claim no knowledge of the examples posted in this thread revealing how some pro-aborts feel about the babies killed by abortion.

reply from: ProInformed

Can you get pregnant?
When you can, then I'm sure people will find your point of view relevant.
Until then, this is a women's issue; not yours.
Um Vex-whatever since you don't have a uterus,
because you are not a woman,
then by your own declaration your POV is not relevant is it?

reply from: ProInformed

I've never denied some people aren't pro-abortion, and I've even cited examples of people who ARE: but not ALL pro-choicers are pro-abortion, so it's wrong to call them ALL that. Just like not all Christians are bigots, brainwashed or women haters.
The intent of this thread was not to pretend that ALL choicers are pro-abort extremists, but to counter the choicer claim that 'nobody is pro-abortion', merley 'pro-choice'.

reply from: yoda

Well you don't really need to "pretend" that both terms mean the same thing, just look them up in your trusty old dictionary, or use some of the online versions of the trusty old dictionary.
In both cases, you will probably find that both terms are defined pretty much identically. What does that tell you?

reply from: ProInformed

Well you don't really need to "pretend" that both terms mean the same thing, just look them up in your trusty old dictionary, or use some of the online versions of the trusty old dictionary.
In both cases, you will probably find that both terms are defined pretty much identically. What does that tell you?
What's really telling is that for all their objections about pro-lifers supposedly accusing all choicers of really being pro-abortion, they sure don't mind the extremely pro-aborts being the ones who have leadership positions in their 'pro-choice' groups, or being the ones they vote into political office, eh?
Um, we pro-lifers aren't supposed to notice the blatant extremist pro-abortion legal status, and the level of contentment that those who call themselves 'pro-choice' have with pro-aborts running their 'pro-choice' groups? LOL

reply from: faithman

Can you get pregnant?
When you can, then I'm sure people will find your point of view relevant.
Until then, this is a women's issue; not yours.
Um Vex-whatever since you don't have a uterus,
because you are not a woman,
then by your own declaration your POV is not relevant is it?
I think it is working to have one installed.

reply from: ProInformed

"Since 2002, Belgium has allowed doctors to terminate the lives of infants under the age of 12 months if they feel the baby is somehow disabled or deficient, and is likely to suffer in life as a result. More than half of the Belgian babies who die before they are a year old are killed by deliberate medical intervention. In 16% of cases, parental consent was not even considered."
http://www.parentalrights.org/..._medium=email#more-105

reply from: ProInformed

carifairy wrote:
Jun. 13th, 2006 12:44 pm (UTC)
I wrote a poem 4 you...
ODE to the ABORTSHUNNNS!!!
Oh 7.5 weeks fetus
for it is a shame you will never meet us
I like my size 5 pants and perfecy perky C breasts
Visions of sleepless nites as I looked at the positive tests
OH no, for I cannot let it be
Don't you undertand I DON'T WANT YOU INSIDE OF ME!
ALL I ever wanted was a good piece of ASS
Now all I get is morning sickness and gas
When I said I like it kinky and maybe add another one
I meant someone sexxy
AND NOT THIS *****ING 'BUN'
Tonight I celebrate with a nice beef of roast
and have a glass of champagne
BECAUSE TOMMOROW YOUR ASS IT TOAST..

reply from: ProInformed

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5605&enterthread=y

reply from: ProInformed

This choicist posted their hateful, insulting opinion of women killed by so-called 'safe' abortion in response to a post from a grieving mother whose daughter had been killed by an abortion.
Simply 'satire', as the choicists who defend each other no matter what, claim?
Was the grieving mother "as dumb as a sack of hammers" for not getting the joke?
And even if it were really just 'chain yanking',
it IS SICK to joke about something so tragic as somebody's daughter being killed by what they've been ASSURED (lied to) would be a 'simple and safe procedure'!

reply from: ProInformed

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5605&enterthread=y

http://commanderd.livejournal.com/72572.html
Here's another little "funny" from those darn proaborts, gotta love 'em :
burned_rose wrote:
Jun. 9th, 2006 02:00 pm (UTC)
so..how does the color scheme work?
fetus poo = brown cream eyeshadow
fetus liver = burgandy hair dye
fetus blood = gothicly red lipstick
fetus brains = baby powder
fetus fingers - those fingers in the jewelry store that display the rings
fetus bones = tribal men use them for necklaces
but in all seriousnbess, where the hell can I get some fetus poo eyeshadow? I ran out of brown shadow the other day and I would love to invest in fetus poo eyeshadow
-------------------------
Sue, Luke's mom
http://prenatalpartnersforlife...sAnencephaly_lucas.htm
">http://prenatalpartnersforlife...phaly_lucas.htm
I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

A good pro-life friend of mine, me, and a pro-choicer had a lot of fun creating a fake convention called "Fetus-con". It involved eating dead babies. But since we all knew it was a joke no one was offended.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, that sounds like a real side-splitter. Some people's idea of humor....

reply from: ProInformed

http://prolifeaction.org/home/2008/carol.htm

reply from: ProInformed

WHAT?!? And you thought it was funny?
That's disgusting.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

WHAT?!? And you thought it was funny?
That's disgusting.
I also think dumb blond jokes are funny, but that doesn't mean I actually believe all blond women are dumb. I think a lot of politically incorrect stuff is funny, but that doesn't mean I'm actually sexist, "blond-ist", racist, xenophobic, or anything else. I just have a sense of humor.

reply from: ProInformed

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5686&enterthread=y

reply from: Teresa18

Spinny compares human beings to dead butt skin cells:

reply from: yoda

Spinny IS a collection of genetic material like that which collects when you scratch your ass......

reply from: ProInformed

WHAT?!? And you thought it was funny?
That's disgusting.
I also think dumb blond jokes are funny, but that doesn't mean I actually believe all blond women are dumb. I think a lot of politically incorrect stuff is funny, but that doesn't mean I'm actually sexist, "blond-ist", racist, xenophobic, or anything else. I just have a sense of humor.
There you go defending the pro-abort extremists again...
one of your favorite pasttimes here - when you're not bashing pro-lifers that is...
and yet you whine when pro-lifers doubt you are really pro-life as you claim.
And you're missing the point anyway:
would you laugh at DEAD blonde jokes?
The pro-aborts make fun of DEAD BABIES and you think that's OK and no worse than blond jokes, eh?

reply from: ProInformed

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
Yes, I am made entirely of the type of genetic material that collects under my fingernails when I scratch my ass.
Precicely.
Agreed.

reply from: yoda

Agreed, and so are babies. Kinda makes you wonder why she brought that up, doesn't it?

reply from: Yuuki

WHAT?!? And you thought it was funny?
That's disgusting.
I also think dumb blond jokes are funny, but that doesn't mean I actually believe all blond women are dumb. I think a lot of politically incorrect stuff is funny, but that doesn't mean I'm actually sexist, "blond-ist", racist, xenophobic, or anything else. I just have a sense of humor.
There you go defending the pro-abort extremists again...
one of your favorite pasttimes here - when you're not bashing pro-lifers that is...
and yet you whine when pro-lifers doubt you are really pro-life as you claim.
And you're missing the point anyway:
would you laugh at DEAD blonde jokes?
The pro-aborts make fun of DEAD BABIES and you think that's OK and no worse than blond jokes, eh?
Yes I would. In fact one of the jokes I find funny is "How do you drown a Blond? Paste a cover of Cosmopolitan to the bottom of a pool." I love a dead nun joke too. "What's red, black and white and can't walk through a revolving door? A nun with a spear through her head!" Or the best, "Why did the monkey fall out of the tree? Because it was dead!"

reply from: ProInformed

WHAT?!? And you thought it was funny?
That's disgusting.
I also think dumb blond jokes are funny, but that doesn't mean I actually believe all blond women are dumb. I think a lot of politically incorrect stuff is funny, but that doesn't mean I'm actually sexist, "blond-ist", racist, xenophobic, or anything else. I just have a sense of humor.
There you go defending the pro-abort extremists again...
one of your favorite pasttimes here - when you're not bashing pro-lifers that is...
and yet you whine when pro-lifers doubt you are really pro-life as you claim.
And you're missing the point anyway:
would you laugh at DEAD blonde jokes?
The pro-aborts make fun of DEAD BABIES and you think that's OK and no worse than blond jokes, eh?
Yes I would. In fact one of the jokes I find funny is "How do you drown a Blond? Paste a cover of Cosmopolitan to the bottom of a pool." I love a dead nun joke too. "What's red, black and white and can't walk through a revolving door? A nun with a spear through her head!" Or the best, "Why did the monkey fall out of the tree? Because it was dead!"
Nope you're still not getting it (or pretending to not get it...)
Do you make fun of real women who have been killed?
Your false attempt at analogy (um defending the pro-aborts - NOT exactly the sort of thing anyone whining they really are 'pro-life' does...) leaves out the fact that the pro-aborts are making fun of REAL BABIES WHO WERE KILLED by abortion.
Do you think it's funny to joke about female murder victims, if they're blonde?

reply from: ProInformed

Here's a hateful, barely comprehensible he's so spittingly and stutteringly rapid, raving lunatic for you LOL:
http://perezhilton.com/tv/index.php?ptvid=0bad59ed42807

reply from: Yuuki

WHAT?!? And you thought it was funny?
That's disgusting.
I also think dumb blond jokes are funny, but that doesn't mean I actually believe all blond women are dumb. I think a lot of politically incorrect stuff is funny, but that doesn't mean I'm actually sexist, "blond-ist", racist, xenophobic, or anything else. I just have a sense of humor.
There you go defending the pro-abort extremists again...
one of your favorite pasttimes here - when you're not bashing pro-lifers that is...
and yet you whine when pro-lifers doubt you are really pro-life as you claim.
And you're missing the point anyway:
would you laugh at DEAD blonde jokes?
The pro-aborts make fun of DEAD BABIES and you think that's OK and no worse than blond jokes, eh?
Yes I would. In fact one of the jokes I find funny is "How do you drown a Blond? Paste a cover of Cosmopolitan to the bottom of a pool." I love a dead nun joke too. "What's red, black and white and can't walk through a revolving door? A nun with a spear through her head!" Or the best, "Why did the monkey fall out of the tree? Because it was dead!"
Nope you're still not getting it (or pretending to not get it...)
Do you make fun of real women who have been killed?
Your false attempt at analogy (um defending the pro-aborts - NOT exactly the sort of thing anyone whining they really are 'pro-life' does...) leaves out the fact that the pro-aborts are making fun of REAL BABIES WHO WERE KILLED by abortion.
Do you think it's funny to joke about female murder victims, if they're blonde?
Yes, I do. You know that teacher who died when the Challenger Shuttle blew up? People say her eyes were brown, but they were blue. One "blew" left and one "blew" right.

reply from: ProInformed

Yes, I do. You know that teacher who died when the Challenger Shuttle blew up? People say her eyes were brown, but they were blue. One "blew" left and one "blew" right.
Just preserving this quote for evidence of lunatic fringiness.

reply from: Yuuki

Yes, I do. You know that teacher who died when the Challenger Shuttle blew up? People say her eyes were brown, but they were blue. One "blew" left and one "blew" right.
Just preserving this quote for evidence of lunatic fringiness.
I'm not going to go edit the post any time soon. It's a terrible, aweful joke... because you can't help but groan, cringe and laugh at the same time. And on top of that, it proved my point.

reply from: Yuuki

Exactly. I have a Jewish female friend. One time one of our other friends had a historical German military hat. She put it on and started marching around, and the friend who'd brought the hat laughed and said she was the worst Jew ever. She thought it was hilarious! One of my other friends is moderately pro-life, but he was one of the instigators of the "fetus-con" joke, and made up many of the jokes that included decorating with dead fetuses etc. If you engage him in an actual conversation about abortion he's very serious about giving children a chance at life, because he himself is adopted.

reply from: ProInformed

From epm.org
54 Babies
Posted in: Standing for Life
By George F. Will
CHINO HILLS, Calif.: Where Route 71 crosses over Payton Drive, at the bottom of the steeply sloping embankment, two boys, who were playing nearby, found the boxes. The boys bicycled home and said they had found boxes of "babies."
Do not be impatient with the imprecision of their language. They have not read the opposite Supreme Court opinions. So when they stumbled on the boxes stuffed with 54 fetuses, which looked a lot like babies, they jumped to conclusions. Besides, young boys are apt to believe their eyes rather than the Supreme Court.
The first count came to a lot less than 54. Forgive the counters' imprecision. Many fetuses had been dismembered-hands, arms, legs, heads jumbled together-by the abortionist's vigor. An accurate count required a lot of sorting out.
The fetuses had been dumped here, about 30 miles east of Los Angeles, on March 14, 1997, by a trucker who may not have known what the Los Angeles abortion clinic had hired him to dispose of. He later served 71 days in jail for the improper disposal of medical waste. Society must be strict about its important standards.
What local authorities dealt with as a problem of solid waste disposal struck a few local residents as rather more troubling than that. They started talking to each other, and one thing led to another, and to the formation of Cradles of Love, which had the modest purpose of providing a burial for the 54 babies.
The members of Cradles of Love-just a few normal walking-around middle-class Americans-called them babies, and still do. These people are opposed to abortion, in spite of the Supreme Court's assurance in 1973 that abortions end only "potential life." (Twenty-five years later the Supreme Court has not yet explained how a life that is merely "potential" can be ended.)
Some will say the members of Cradles of Love, who are churchgoers, have been unduly influenced by theology. Or perhaps the real culprit is biology. It teaches that after the DNA of the sperm fuse with those of the ovum a new and unique DNA complex is formed that directs the growth of the organism. It soon is called a fetus, which takes in nourishment and converts it to energy through its own distinct, unique organic functioning, and very soon it looks a lot like a baby.
Anyway, theology or biology or maybe their eyes told the members of Cradles of Love that there were some babies in need of burials. So they asked the coroner to give them the fetuses. Then the American Civil Liberties Union was heard from.
It professed itself scandalized by this threat to . . . what? The ACLU frequently works itself into lathers of anxiety about threats to the separation of church and state. It is difficult, however, to identify any person whose civil liberties were going to be menaced if the fetuses were (these are the ACLU's words) "released to the church groups for the express purpose of holding religious services." The ACLU said it opposed "facilitation" of services by a public official.
The ACLU's attack on the constitutionally protected right to the free exercise of religion failed to intimidate, and in October the babies were buried in a plot provided at no charge by a cemetery in nearby Riverside.
Each baby was given a name by a participating church group. Each name was engraved on a brass plate that was affixed to each of the 54 small, white, wooden caskets made, at no charge, by a volunteer who took three days off from work to do it. Fifty clergy and four persons active in the right-to-life movement carried the caskets. Each baby's name is inscribed on a large headstone, also provided at no charge. Fifty-four doves, provided at no charge by the cemetery, were released at the services.
The ACLU trembled for the Constitution.
We hear much about the few "extremists" in the right-to-life movement. But the vast majority of the movement's members are like the kindly, peaceable people here, who were minding their own business until some of the results of the abortion culture tumbled down a roadside embankment and into their lives.
Which is not to say that this episode was untainted by ugly extremism. It would be nice if the media, which are nothing if not diligent in documenting and deploring right-to-life extremism, could bring themselves to disapprove the extremism of the ACLU, which here attempted a bullying nastiness unredeemed by any connection to a civic purpose.
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reply from: nancyu

http://www.pbs.org/now/php/quotes.php?quote_date=2007-07-20
I thought you'd like this one to add to your collection ProInformed.
"For the radicals who feel the need to bomb clinics... you are more the murderer than any mother of an unborn child-- especially as the world's population is over 6 billion"
I wonder -- what does the world's population have to do with the fact that she killed two of her own children?

reply from: ProInformed

I thought you'd like this one to add to your collection ProInformed.
"For the radicals who feel the need to bomb clinics... you are more the murderer than any mother of an unborn child-- especially as the world's population is over 6 billion"
I wonder -- what does the world's population have to do with the fact that she killed two of her own children?
She mentions the world's population because she is trying to convince herself that killing two of her own babies was supposedly done for the good of the world (when the real reason was probably just so she could avoid having to control her sex drive above the rutting like an animal level... and she thinks she's in a position to chastise others to "control yourselves"?
Yup - She definitely belongs in the lunatic fringe category.
BTW I wonder what her living children will think of her when they find out she killed two of their siblings?!

reply from: ProInformed

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
So you chose to have an abortion so you could continue to behave like a rutting animal?
Do your kids know you killed their sibling?
Yes my living children do know about their sibling being killed by an abortionist
BECAUSE even though I only went to the clinic for a pregnancy test and to get info and support in order to get my pro-abort mom to back off, the clinic told me LIES including claiming that if I didn't abort me and my baby would die anyway.
I have reported your LYING, INSULTING anti-woman HARRASSING to the moderator.

reply from: Yuuki

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
So you chose to have an abortion so you could continue to behave like a rutting animal?
Do your kids know you killed their sibling?
Yes my living children do know about their sibling being killed by an abortionist
BECAUSE even though I only went to the clinic for a pregnancy test and to get info and support in order to get my pro-abort mom to back off, the clinic told me LIES including claiming that if I didn't abort me and my baby would die anyway.
I have reported your LYING, INSULTING anti-woman HARRASSING to the moderator.
Oh please. The abuse above is nothing compared to the bullsh*t some of YOU pull EVERY DAY. Report yourself.

reply from: nancyu

Why are pro aborts so heavy into extortion?

reply from: Yuuki

How nice..
And very obvious satire, for anyone with a brain.

reply from: BossMomma

How nice..
And very obvious satire, for anyone with a brain.
Whether satire or not it was disgusting, how does one satirize abortion really? It's right up there with satirizing rape or murder.

reply from: scopia19822

"Whether satire or not it was disgusting, how does one satirize abortion really? It's right up there with satirizing rape or murder."
I just sent a link to my husband the other day about an Espiscopal priest thats a lesbian and she says that abortions are blessings and that abortionist are doing "holy work". My husband was brought up in the Episcopal Church and he was appalled at how its just went down the toilet.

reply from: Yuuki

Carifairy hasn't posted here in like, a year, so using that poem as an example of "pro-choice profanity" to defend her own profanity is dishonest.

reply from: BossMomma

True, but that's nancy for you. Honesty is not her cup o'Joe. It's still utterly disgusting to make fun of abortion that way, nothing about abortion is funny.

reply from: 4choice4all

So much in-fighting! And to think there are people that call for common ground...how? when people on the same side have difficulties being civil with one another. It happens at the clinic too...mostly it's because of religion.(the catholics and evangelicals do NOT get along)

reply from: nancyu

Juuuuust great --another dumb pro abort.
Here's a little hint -- we're not all "on the same side" dumbo.
There are dumb pro aborts like you pretending to be prolife. Fortunately some of us can see through their lying crap.

reply from: ProInformed

"If you are going to mandate that young women MUST be drilled on the risks of abortion - regardless of the fact that these risks are extremely remote and some of those risks may not even exist - then shouldn't young women also be provided the facts about motherhood?
Shouldn't you inform them that 70% of all men, and a whopping 85% of college-educated men, will not seek relationships with single mothers?"
Sounds just about as 'feminist' and 'sane' as the 'reasoning' that crazy sick mother used when she strapped her two little boys into her car and sent it into the lake because a guy told her he wasn't interested in a relationship with her because she had kids, eh?
Females are well aware that there are lots of guys who prefer to have sex with females who don't have children, females who would be willing to kill their own babies in order to date such guys... DUH.
But is it 'pro-woman', humane, sane, or even smart for females to therefore kill their own babies in order to attract or keep the attention of that sort of guy?
IF there were any 'pro-choice' groups they would be criticizing that sort of male attitude instead of encouraging females to kill their own babies in order to please such males, in order to ACCOMODATE TO such a sick and sexist attitude towards women and children.
Sheesh - just how stupid, bimbonic, and sociopathic ARE pro-abort females?!??

reply from: 4choice4all

What?? I have never EVER pretended to be prolife. I'm decidely prochoice..hell, even here I posted that I don't mind being called proabortion...because I am. You have reading comprehension issues. But I must saying...calling people dumb, dumbo, dumb pro abort....claaaassssyyyy. You stay classy Nancy.
NonInformed, your rant is just....weird. It's like you are talking to yourself.

reply from: ProInformed

Um...

I don't exactly hold my breath in anticipation that pro-abort bimbos who think killing their own babies just so they can have 'relationships' with pro-abort males who would dump them if they didn't kill their babies is a good excuse for baby-killing...
have the ability to comprehend my posts in this forum.
After all I am a feminist - not a bimbo - the two perspectives are WAY different from each other!

reply from: ProInformed

Posted in another thread by one of the disgustingly nasty pro-abort bimbonic trolls this forum is infested with:
"I'd like to buy Gingi a plane ticket for her trip - preferably on Spinwidddy Air's "special plane."
She's due for some justice, and the thought of her slamming into the ground and dying in a state of unmitigated terror makes my nipples tingle"
So much for the pretense that choicists are supposedly pro-woman, eh?
If a woman opposes a choicist females ability to kill he babies so she can get and keep the attention of por-abort baby-hating males who just want to use her as a sex object THEN the choicist female gets sexually excited by fantasizing that the pro-life female gets killed?
Um yea, not really 'pro-woman', eh?
More evidence of the sickness, insanity, and fanatical extremism of the pro-aborts.

reply from: Yuuki

I really just glance over their posts usually.

reply from: Yuuki

Wow! I wouldn't imagine that happening at a protest... crazy stuff eh? I'm anti-abortion but I'm not obnoxious about it you know? I was pro-choice (kinda straying) when I came to this forum and some of the people like Galen really helped me in my search.

reply from: Faramir

Who calls for "common ground"?
What common ground can there be? How can we say abortion is an injustice and then negotiate from there?
This is just a message board and we've attracted some clowns, but that's no reflection on the overall prolife cause, imho, and a lot of us would get along fine in real life, I think.
I would be interested to know what conflicts there would be between Catholics and Evangelicals at the clinics.

reply from: Yuuki

I call for common ground. Talk to many pro-choicers in confidence, away from the noise of the forums or where they are, and most will confide in you that they don't like the idea of babies being killed, but they feel there's no other solution that doesn't violate the woman's right to her body.

reply from: Faramir

I have had the experience of talking to prochoicers privately who online seem to be rabid "pro-aborts" but in private conversation seem to not like abortion very much.
We at least have the common ground that many of them would not choose abortion for themselves, which is better than nothing, but where is the common ground in the political arena? From them, it's usually throwing condoms and pills as a "solution," and many of us see that as an immoral means to an end, and not a solution at all.
The only true common ground I can think of would be if both sides agreed to do whatever possible to help pregnant women and offer encouragement and support so that they don't abort.

reply from: Yuuki

I have had the experience of talking to prochoicers privately who online seem to be rabid "pro-aborts" but in private conversation seem to not like abortion very much.
We at least have the common ground that many of them would not choose abortion for themselves, which is better than nothing, but where is the common ground in the political arena? From them, it's usually throwing condoms and pills as a "solution," and many of us see that as an immoral means to an end, and not a solution at all.
The only true common ground I can think of would be if both sides agreed to do whatever possible to help pregnant women and offer encouragement and support so that they don't abort.
Condoms and pills ARE part of the solution Faramir. They are not the only part; because without education you can't use them properly and it leads to more unwanted pregnancies. I don't consider use of the pill or condoms to be immoral at all, and neither do most Christians. Many of you? More like a few. Your last comment is spot on however.

reply from: 4choice4all

Faramir...at the clinic a lot of the infighting is ego. I think they just use their religion as bait. Recently two evangelicals were standing on either side of a larger catholic group and one would shout a question to the other about the bible..the other would respond 'well john, the bible says..blah blah...but the catholics and their KJV would have you believe..blah blah blah"...and I've heard the prominent catholic protester following the evangelical and berating her for only having 3 kids which means she's obviously using bc. It's ugly. Again, I truly believe it's about their egos.

reply from: BossMomma

Those poor kids, they were so beautiful.

reply from: BossMomma

Well there are levels and levels of pro-life. Some think contraception is murder because some bc can cause a failure to implant. Some think abortion in cases of rape or maternal health is okay, others don't. Some base their belief on religion, some base it on biology. Each has there own belief as there is no text book pro-lifer. There are varying levels of pro-choice too, some believe in abortion at all stages for any reason, some believe it should be limited to first trimester etc. We are all individuals and many times personalities will clash in so contraversial a topic.
I believe abortion should be limited to rape and maternal health. I fully support comprehensive sex ed, contraceptives and, research on making contraceptives more efficient. I think abstinance only sex ed is a joke and these beliefs have made me what some here call a faux-lifer or Planned Parenthood pro-lifer.

reply from: Yuuki

And that's the problem on here, too.

reply from: 4choice4all

So then doesn't it make sense to hold your religious beliefs close to you and your family and live out it's principles to the best of your ability while not imposing those beliefs on teh rest of the population? Wouldn't that add to an air of civility? I believe it would help in the abortion debate and in all other issues as well. If your religion is opposed to bc you should try your best to not need to use it and encourage your children but why insist on everyone of another religion forsaking their beliefs to fall in line with yours? The only answer is moral/religious superiority....ego.

reply from: galen

i actually agree with the above statement... but it works both ways when persons assume that because one is opposed to abortion it must be because of religion... i can make the argument both ways... and abortion is wrong. early delivery may be something required medically, but it does not require a mill doc to cut up a fetus and remove it in a horribly painful and humiliating process.

reply from: 4choice4all

I would love to hear a well thought out opinion on why abortion is wrong by someone that doesn't use their religious beliefs to defend it.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist...but I'd love to hear it. And on the flip side....we shouldn't assume that all prochoice individuals are individuals with no faith.

reply from: Yuuki

The unborn is a baby. End of discussion.
Seriously, if the whole pro-choice argument is about the woman's right to control her body, then let her control it all day. But leave the CHILD'S body alone. Whether you believe it is a baby or not, it still has its own body and its own DNA. Pro-choice is about the woman controlling HER body, not another body. But abortion is about destroying another body.

reply from: 4choice4all

whether a fetus is a person usually comes down to religion...and I said well thought out.
Would you prefer it if we said "her pregnancy,her choice"? means the same to me

reply from: Yuuki

I don't think the child being a person has anything to do with religion. It has everything to do with science for me. It is human. At no other time in our lives are people not "people", and they are declared "non-persons" only for the sake of keeping abortion legal.
The most accurate slogan would be "Her child, her choice (to kill it)".

reply from: 4choice4all

A fetus has human dna....not unlike every other cell in a person's body. My dead skin has human dna...would you argue my dead skin has the same rights that I do? A person deserves certain rights...and I do not believe a fetus is at the mark of "personhood" and I'm not alone. That has nothing to do with abortion because I have never and likely will never be in want or need of one.

reply from: Faramir

Do you think there is any point when a fetus becomes a person?
Isn't a fetus one hour befor birth substantially the same as after it is born?
If we can claim personhood for the fetus at some point, how can we know for sure it's not earlier, and why shouldn't the benefit of the doubt go to the fetus?

reply from: 4choice4all

I actually put great value on the act of being born when it comes to human rights. We don't issue ss numbers to fetuses ...we confer citizenship according to wear a person was born...I think we recognize that the act of being born confers certain rights.
My thoughts on abortion are not simple and black and white. Pre-viability I have zero issue with abortion. I think the ability to live outside the womb is vital to the whole debate...because then a woman "could" deliver prematurely and imo, walk about from the responsibility of becoming a parent if that's what she wanted. So at the point of viability...my thoughts on the fetus change a bit...the ability to survive outside the womb and not force the woman to act as an incubator(for lack of better word) means something to me.
But...in light of that...I still don't have an issue with post viability abortions from a legal standpoint.(and we are discussing our thoughts on RvW being law and not so much our personal decisions) At that point I'm conflicted about referring to the fetus as a person(because it's still unborn) but I understand the moral and philosophical issues that arise. However, I don't think that all "killing' is wrong...and neither do most beings. We make exceptions to "thou shalt not kill" all the time...when it comes to war, death penalty, our own self defense, euthanasia and so forth. So at that point...say, at 34 weeks....I understand the hesitation and the difficulties it presents(when it is a convenience abortion..there is nothing wrong with mother or child physically) but I still believe that a woman has the right to her own reproductive choices and that includes the product of conception. And because those late term abortions when the mother's and fetus's health are intact are so incredibly rare...I don't see the need to outlaw them.

reply from: Faramir

It's rare that mothers kill born babies, but it happens and it should be illegal, shouldn't it?
I don't see how you can concede that at a certain point in the womb there is a real child at stake and then also consider its destruction to be the mother's "reproductive choice."

reply from: 4choice4all

No....you're above that. You read me state that the act of being born is vital and bestows certain human rights.
I know you don't see it....because we don't view things the same way...abortion is no different then the million other things we will see differently. (we being people of the world) Post viability I see two issues..one, is the mother or fetus's health an issue? If so, I don't hesitate to support the right to abort. In the very rare cases where we are talking a late term abortion in a healthy woman and with a healthy fetus....I assume that the woman has a reason she doesn't want to birth. I trust that it's valid to her.(again, what is valid to me will be different...but it's not my body or my choice) So I don't feel the need to tell her what she can and cannot do to her body.

reply from: BossMomma

I don't use religion to back my stance as my faith means nothing to those who don't share it. I use biology and good ol' common sense, if I can't off my neighbors for having loud parties all night and inconveniencing me why should an unborn child get caught in the crosshairs for being inconvenient? We all know what is killed in abortion, I have 3 children, they were children in my womb, location should not be what gives us status as human beings.

reply from: BossMomma

So your dead skin has organ systems, a brain of it's own and the ability to be an individual person? Sorry but your argument is one of the weakest yet.

reply from: BossMomma

But abortion has very little to do with the woman's body and almost everything to do with the baby's body, the baby is the one being sacrified most often needlessly. I'm fine with women doing whatever they want to their bodies, but that freedom should end where another's body begins.

reply from: Faramir

So in the very rare case that a woman would want to destroy a perfectly healthy 8 month fetus to spite a husband who cheated on her, you would be supportive of it?
Is an 8 month fetus 100% under her ownership to do with as she pleases?

reply from: yoda

Why are you surprised, Faramir? Was there ever any reason to doubt that a dedicated proabort would support a healthy mother killing a healthy 8 month old unborn child, for whatever reason, or no reason at all? Isn't that what "prochoice" means to you?
The truly dedicated proabort does not consider unborn human being to be worthy of any consideration, at any time before birth. No surprise there.

reply from: 4choice4all

First.. I must say that I have more faith in women and doctors.
Yes....a fetus is unborn and has not been bestowed with any special rights in my view and the woman is entitled to make decisions about her reproductive organs. Am I without pause? certainly not. But my discomfort doesn't create a moral issue for another. I think we are all born with certain inalienable rights....and I stress BORN.
We often draw lines in the sand...for come, it's conception...for others, implantation....for some, viability.....for some, birth. We also make concessions about taking lives when we talk about war and the death penalty and even in the case of murder, we have 1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter...we weigh self defense. It's not as black and white as some would have it be. I'm no different. I have to draw my line in the sand and birth is that line for me. I know people that are prolife and have no problems with IVF...their line is at implantation. And some would call them baby killers. I know people that are prolife but have no problem with plan b....again, they are baby killers in the eyes of some. A woman on bc is using an abortifacient according to some.

reply from: ProInformed

4choice4all - on a scale of 1-10 how well-informed do you think you are about abortion and related facts?
We have chanting choicists arriving at this site all the time - mouthing the myths they've been told by abortion industry lobby groups... before taking any time to learn the facts.
Name three of the late-term abortionists:
Name one of the women who died from a supposedly 'safe' saline abortion in the U.S. after Roe v Wade, and AFTER Japanese doctors had warned U.S. doctors that they had stopped using the saline abortion method in Japan because it was too dangerous for the mother:
Who ran six regional abortion clinics for abortionist Tommy Tucker, who taught her to perform abortions herself without formal medical training?
In the only large-scale study of pregnant rape victims ever conducted, what percent chose not to abort?
Who said:
"I was trained by a professional marketing director in how to sell abortions over the telephone. He took every one of our receptionists, nurses, and anyone else who would deal with people over the phone through an extensive training period. The object was, when the girl called, to hook the sale so that she wouldn't get an abortion somewhere else, or adopt out her baby, or change her mind. We were doing it for the money." ?
Who said:
"I'll be quite frank:
most of my abortions are elective in that 20-24 week range ...
In my particular case, probably 20% [of this procedure] are for genetic reasons. And the other 80% are purely elective." ?
What is the opinion of abortionist Warren Hern, considered THE EXPERT on abortions, who literally wrote the textbook used to teach abortionists, about RU-486?
What did the letters in NARAL stand for before Roe v Wade;
what do the letters stand for now?
Technically, at what point of human develoment is the term 'zygote' no longer accurate and honest?
At a National Abortion Federation Risk Management Seminar, how many abortionists admitted that their preferred/usual method for dealing with it when
they accidently pull bowel (extract part of a patient's bowel through a perforation in her uterus), is to stuff the bowel back through the perforation, administer medications to make the uterus contract and control bleeding, monitor the woman more carefully in recovery, and if she seemed okay, send her home none the wiser?

reply from: 4choice4all

I would say an 8 1/2. I won't participate in your litmus test for prochoice individuals. I have nothing to prove to you. Besides...it's moronic. We are on the internet...anyone could google the answers they didn't know in 10 minutes or less. It's juvenile.

reply from: yoda

And that makes it right in your eyes, because "we often" do it? How about child abuse, murder, and robbery? Don't "we" often do those things too?
No, you will have to find a better rationalization to make that one stick.... NO ONE needs to draw any line that allows the slaughter of those who are below that line.
Your "murder line" is not very attractive at all.

reply from: yoda

Nah, what's "moronic" is the arguments of proaborts like you who say things like "a baby is not alive until it is born". Now, that's "moronic".
Who knows, you might actually learn something by looking some of those things up...... would that be a catastrophe for you?

reply from: 4choice4all

Hate to burst the condescending bubble but I wouldn't have to look anything up to pass the test.

reply from: yoda

That was what you implied in your post. Then if you're so "well informed", why not try to answer some of them?
Oh, and btw, unborn babies ARE ALIVE (just thought I'd mention that).

reply from: nancyu

What an absolutely typical pro abort (non) answer!

reply from: yoda

Exactly, Nancy. Proaborts don't like straight answers to straight questions. Too hard to "spin" that way.
4choice is deliberately ignorant when it comes to abortion, and is proud of it.

reply from: nancyu

More from the lunatic fringe:
May 19 2009, 2:00 AM
Anon (guest): oh no, I cut my nail a bit too short, I just murdered something human!
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May 19 2009, 2:01 AM
Jeremiah (guest): Let me guess--you're a unwilling celibate somewhere right?
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May 19 2009, 2:01 AM
Anon (guest): oh*****I just jizzed all over your mom's hair!!!!
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May 19 2009, 2:01 AM
Anon (guest): I killed a billion potential babies!!!!!!!!!
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May 19 2009, 2:01 AM
Jeremiah (guest): No kids? Right?
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May 19 2009, 2:02 AM
Anon (guest): I better scrape up all this ejaculate and stuff it in her pussy real quick before they die
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May 19 2009, 2:07 AM
Anon (guest): Life without senteince is useless. There is no pain or inhumanity is aborting something that isn't a human yet. No more human than an organ or two, and surely no one would portest killing that.
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May 19 2009, 2:34 AM
AgainstAbortion (guest): You are sick
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May 19 2009, 11:21 AM
xalisae (guest): Can I kill your liver?
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xalisae (guest): Nobody on today.
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May 19 2009, 11:24 AM
xalisae (guest): can't believe I missed out on all the fun.
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May 19 2009, 11:47 AM
VictorHugo (guest): Anon, perhaps you would have liked not having the opportunity to exist either...
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May 19 2009, 11:47 AM
VictorHugo (guest): Hi xalisae, are u still here?
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May 19 2009, 11:48 AM
VictorHugo (guest): Ciao for now...
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May 19 2009, 3:06 PM
xalisae (guest): Drats. I have horrible timing.
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May 19 2009, 3:41 PM
California (guest): I can't believe that protestors took such a special day for so many hard working students (graduation) to disrupt their special day!
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May 19 2009, 4:06 PM
Fransisco (guest): Oh. I'm assuming i missed the correct date.
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Fransisco (guest): Is anyone here?
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Fransisco (guest): *sigh*
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reply from: Faramir

Could you please share about this "niece" business?

reply from: nancyu

Fight your own battles spinwiddy. She's a kid, she isn't here for me to know even what she is writing to you. If you can't deal with her -- put her on ignore!
Cripes get a grip.

reply from: Faramir

Sounds familiar.
She harrassed another member here (who was not even a "pro abort") by PM and as an alias.
lol

reply from: 4choice4all

Now that's creepy. Does the niece not have a mother or father? And what parent allows their 10 yo to message strange adults from an abortion website?

reply from: nancyu

This is an absolute lie. I have NEVER EVER posted on this forum under anything other than nancyu. Not in PMs or otherwise.

reply from: Faramir

This is an absolute lie. I have NEVER EVER posted on this forum under anything other than nancyu. Not in PMs or otherwise.
If you insist, I take it back.
It coincided with a time when you were pestering someone by PM, so I figured it was you, but I'll take you at your word that it wasn't, and my apologies.

reply from: nancyu

Well there are levels and levels of pro-life. Some think contraception is murder because some bc can cause a failure to implant. Some think abortion in cases of rape or maternal health is okay, others don't. Some base their belief on religion, some base it on biology. Each has there own belief as there is no text book pro-lifer. There are varying levels of pro-choice too, some believe in abortion at all stages for any reason, some believe it should be limited to first trimester etc. We are all individuals and many times personalities will clash in so contraversial a topic.
I believe abortion should be limited to rape and maternal health. I fully support comprehensive sex ed, contraceptives and, research on making contraceptives more efficient. I think abstinance only sex ed is a joke and these beliefs have made me what some here call a faux-lifer or Planned Parenthood pro-lifer.
BossMomma, your post sounds so incredibly reasonable. To allow abortion in cases of rape and maternal health.
Do you keep forgetting that abortion kills the baby?

reply from: nancyu

This is an absolute lie. I have NEVER EVER posted on this forum under anything other than nancyu. Not in PMs or otherwise.
If you insist, I take it back.
It coincided with a time when you were pestering someone by PM, so I figured it was you, but I'll take you at your word that it wasn't, and my apologies.
Thank you.

reply from: yoda

Judging by your own actions, are you?

reply from: Faramir

Judging by your own actions, are you?
I've never harrassed anyone by PM. All my PMs have been friendly. I've never sent PMs to people telling them to leave the board as has your friend who is confused about the legality of abortion.
I don't have any "aliases" but have started a few accounts as jokes and as satire, and made a couple posts in them. I thought they were funny, but others were not as amused as I was about them.
Maybe because 88% of the posters here have no sense of humor?

reply from: BossMomma

Could you please share about this "niece" business?
Faithgirl is supposedly Nancyu's niece.

reply from: 4choice4all

She emailed me when I first posted. It was something like 'you're new here...hee hee". Weird.

reply from: BossMomma

Girl strikes me as a total crack head, though I still think faithgirl is just an alias tagname for a pre-existing poster. We got our nuts around this joint and some of them go waaay off the deep end, like Faithman who thinks shooting abortion providers is an act of heroism.

reply from: 4choice4all

"Girl strikes me as a total crack head"
Why? Does she beg for money and break out into inappropriate songs and laughter? We moved from teh city last year and the last encounter I had with a crackhead was when I was walking my dog. She approached me for money to get gas in her non-existent car and when she noticed my dog she tried to run and fell..then crawled a bit..then jumped up and pushed her hands toward us and started singing "get it away get it away get it away now"...then giggled hysterically at her new version of a red hot chili pepper song. My dog and I just stood...confused. Yes...she's a rottweiler and can look strong and scary....well, COULD...now she's 11 and mostly resembles a bear skin rug....a snoring bear skin rug...a snoring and farting bear skin rug....but the woman nearly killed herself to get some distance from what is essentially the most loving and gentle canine EVER!
Boss momma.....you may have offended some crackheads with that statement,lol.

reply from: Faramir

I've said some mean things to nancyu--not without good reason--but I still wish I hadn't. But I've decided to be nice to her the rest of May and all of June, and see how it goes from there.

reply from: 4choice4all

It's the summer of love around here..........lol.

reply from: ProInformed

Choicists really are pro-aborts - SO pro-abort that they can't comprehend from their whacked out extremist POV that reminding pregnant females that males prefer childless females is just adding to the already immense pro-abort pressures put on pregnant females, it's anti-choice/pro-abortion/anti-woman/anti-child - NOT 'pro-choice/pro-woman/pro-child'.

reply from: ProInformed

Here's one to refute the 'nobody's pro-abortion' lie:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214328,00.html

reply from: ProInformed

The truth is that choicists don't like it when anyone interferes with them pressuring women to abort, when anyone tries to interfere with their abortion sales profits, THAT is why they call pro-lifers vile names.
http://www.unfairchoice.info/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

reply from: 4choice4all

I personally have never strayed from being called pro-abortion. I find abortion an acceptable option and one I'm glad that women have in their lives. I do know some people that are prochoice but not proabortion....like someone else mentioned in another thread, they don't feel they should make that choice for someone else....but I certainly know many that think abortion is a legitimate choice to make and they don't shy away from that. So I wouldn't say their are no proabortion people...but not every prochoice person is proabortion.

reply from: faithman

all who think 4choice is a low life baby killing scumbag scanc, raise your http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html [click blue hands for results].

reply from: sk1bianca

just so we have a clear picture of what 4choice4all is talking about...
"I personally have never strayed from being called pro-http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/10.html. I find http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/10.html an acceptable option and one I'm glad that women have in their lives. I do know some people that are prochoice but not prohttp://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/10.html....like someone else mentioned in another thread, they don't feel they should make that choice for someone else....but I certainly know many that think http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/10.html is a legitimate choice to make and they don't shy away from that. So I wouldn't say their are no prohttp://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/10.html people...but not every prochoice person is prohttp://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/10.html."

reply from: faithman

Great post. Let the little snooty death scanc laugh that off.

reply from: faithman

Laugh http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby9.html off scanc.

reply from: 4choice4all

Sorry...again, that doesn't effect me. None of your bully tactics will. You can link pictures and hurl insults if it serves to make you feel better about the situation. It doesn't anger me...if anything, it stirs pity.
It's like my experience with an 8yo foster daughter. She had one of the most unimaginable life stories. She had lacked love and affection and attention and stability for so long she was virtually incapable of being a part of civilization. She was misdiagnosed as having asperger's because she had no social skills. Anyway....initially, being around a regular family was very frustrating and difficult for her so she lashed out. She name called...she tried to bully my daughters....she tried to shock us with vulgarities. It didn't work. That stuff has no effect on me. I know that it's not about who I am or what I do but the pain that is within that person. When I was at the end of my rope in some of these situations...I reminded myself of how awful it must be to live with that pain and low self worth. And I do the same here. The nastier you get...the more I pity you and thank my lucky stars that I love myself enough not to allow those destructive emotions to fester within me only to be spit out onto others.

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby10.html

reply from: lukesmom

One of the worst "bully tactics" I have ever seen is an unborn fetus being escorted to it's death. Next to that, fmans tactics are playground pranks.
As for the 8 yr old foster girl, most proaborts here would agree she should have been aborted and never been allowed to be born...for her own good, of course.

reply from: 4choice4all

I find the notion that we should abort more to spare them what may be a difficult life to be a bit misguided. I understand that sometimes those thoughts come from the stories about children suffering the worst kinds of abuse and people thinking abortion would've spared them from that...but I still think it's misguided.

reply from: lukesmom

Heck, Spinny wanted ALL of my kids aborted because 2 years ago they were all diagnosed with heart defects. Doesn't matter to her that they all live very normal lives.

reply from: 4choice4all

My son was born with a bicuspid aortic valve...and a few other heart issues. I assure you they are the least of my worries. His fearless climbing poses more of a risk.

reply from: lukesmom

My oldest was taken out of all sports and never again will be able to participate in formal sports but at 16 and driving, he has higher risk of being killed or injured in an MVA than sudden cardiac death.
The other kids, we just don't know how their hearts will be affected as they age. We are going through testing again soon to see if their are any changes. I'll again be living in doctor's offices for the next few months. Sigh...

reply from: 4choice4all

I'm sorry to hear that. How were they diagnosed?

reply from: yoda

Now, that's the irony.... every single person who ever said a mean thing to anyone else thinks that they had "good reason"...... and yet you think that makes you "unique", don't you?
Wow.... it's like manna from heaven.....

reply from: yoda

Now, who are we to believe.... you, or some lying dictionary?

reply from: yoda

That's because your conscience is totally seared..... and photos of aborted babies cannot reach your "heart".

reply from: yoda

It's kind of the "ultimate control freak" thing, isn't it?

reply from: 4choice4all

Well..common sense and simple observation tells us that not all prolifers are the same...so certainly not all in the prochoice crowd are the same.

reply from: Faramir

Now, that's the irony.... every single person who ever said a mean thing to anyone else thinks that they had "good reason"...... and yet you think that makes you "unique", don't you?
Wow.... it's like manna from heaven.....
The difference between me and them is that they have been habitually mean, and I have been mean on occasion, and rarely.
The other difference is that they don't see they're mean and have no conscience about it, whereas I do, and I feel guilty about it, and quicly bounce back to being the super-nice man that I am by nature.
I'm sure nancyu will notice and appreciate the good vibes I'm sending her way.

reply from: scopia19822

Most choicer I persoanlly know only support abortion during the first trimester and usally that is in the so called hard cases. They dont support 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions for ANY reason and they support parental consent/notification laws.

reply from: ProInformed

Hmmm... so where are the 'pro-choice' groups that represent a more moderate stance on abortion than the abortion industry lobby groups, eh?
The truth is there are so-called 'pro-choice' groups that really represent a radically pro-abort POV, and there are a variety of pro-life groups. But there are no real pro-choice groups. The groups that call themselves 'pro-choice' represent and/or agree with the abortion industry, defend abortion-on-demand for the entire nine months of pregnancy, and stand for an extremist POV that very few citizens endorse.

reply from: lukesmom

Echocardiogram then Holter Monitor then, with the oldest, an EC study.

reply from: scopia19822

I did just notice that Faramir an 4 choice have switched avatars? WTF?

reply from: lukesmom

Another of Fara's made up little "lies" that are OK because it's him? One and the same, girl friend? LOL!

reply from: lukesmom

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
That never happened. You are a very poor liar.
Stupid people lie poorly, and you lie VERY poorly.
Yup, just like I am a "so called mom of 4" and my "so called son died". You have a very poor memory of your own statements and insinuations. Not suprising.

reply from: scopia19822

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
That never happened. You are a very poor liar.
Stupid people lie poorly, and you lie VERY poorly.
Yup, just like I am a "so called mom of 4" and my "so called son died". You have a very poor memory of your own statements and insinuations. Not suprising.
We just make this stuff up, sometimes I think these bort heads are just a bunch of kids or adults still living at home in mommy and daddys basement.

reply from: 4choice4all

Sue....was it a random echo or was your son having issues? I feel so fortunate that my son's condition was found randomly at birth. He also happened to have a murmur so when they heard that they decided to just go ahead and do an EEG and that's when they discovered everything else. If not for something as common and simple as a murmur...we may not have learned about it until it was far more serious.
I would rather live with Faithman than my parents..yikes. Not to mention my mother lives in a turn of the century building and her basement could be the setting for a horror flick.

reply from: ProInformed

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
That never happened. You are a very poor liar.
Stupid people lie poorly, and you lie VERY poorly.
Yup, just like I am a "so called mom of 4" and my "so called son died". You have a very poor memory of your own statements and insinuations. Not suprising.
It's not that spinfibby has a poor memory - sheit's a liar.
Pro-aborts LIE to women and then insult those women if they expose the lies - it's what they do - their version of being 'pro-woman'. Pro-aborts expect women to believe the lies, then to keep quiet when they find out they've been lied to OR ELSE they'll start slinging insults and calling those women liars. And the cowardly toadies who grovel at their feet defend them as if they were the ones being 'attacked', totally overlooking the lies and insults committed by the pro-abort trolls.
Also, the pro-aborts sometimes delete some of their statements so they can pretend they never said them.
That's why it's a good idea to capture their statements in quotes when you respond.

reply from: ProInformed

What New York abortionist admitted to exposing himself to more than 700
women and young girls, finally kidnapped and raped a six-year-old girl and
spent seven years in prison for the crime, and was then welcomed back to
his abortion practice with open arms by the State of New York?

reply from: ProInformed

What vocal Miami pro-abortionist murdered both of his roommates with an ax,
and then called the killings "justifiable homicide" because the roommates had "complained about his sloppiness?" (Hint: This person also stabbed his
abortionist mother in the neck with a steak knife).

reply from: ProInformed

Which prominent Jackson, Mississippi abortionist, a prolific producer of child pornography, was a member of the International Diaper Pail Foundation, in
which the members are infantilists who enjoy wearing diapers, defecating in
the diapers, and smearing the defecation all over their bodies?

reply from: ProInformed

What abortionist had sex with a patient just before aborting her, and when
caught, told a newspaper "I believe that if a woman decides to have a
termination, it should be done safely, legally and with some dignity?"

reply from: ProInformed

What Boston abortionist aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality,
and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)?

reply from: ProInformed

What New York City abortionist who was found guilty of nearly four hundred counts of medical malpractice and incompetence won the award for the
all-time original excuse by saying that her husband dominated her with
Voodoo?

reply from: ProInformed

Which world-famous American pro-abortion feminist, a co-founder of the
National Organization for Women (NOW), was caught by customs officials
at an airport with a load of sado-masochistic magazines depicting women
in extreme bondage?

reply from: nancyu

I don't know, but I'm guessing -- it's a close personal friend of spinwiddy?

reply from: ProInformed

What Arizona abortionist said "This is my abortion machine, where I do
the Lord's work. I heal the sick with it," and was later convicted of more
than 60 counts of sexual abuse and sexual assault and imprisoned for
35 years?

reply from: ProInformed

What Chicago abortionist, labeled "America's Arch Fiend" by the press,
was America's first serial killer, with between fifty and 200 murders
committed?

reply from: Yuuki

Shall we go discover some of the more disturbing members of the republican party, or perhaps of the catholic church? I assure you there are and always have been nutcases on both sides of every issue.

reply from: ProInformed

Here's an example of some supposedly 'pro-woman/pro-choice' dudes for you:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/519241.html

reply from: ProInformed

Well DEFENDING and EXCUSING the dirty secrets of the abortion industry,
by RETALIATING against the posting of evidence that the abortion industry hires Nazis, rapist, and child molesters,
IS something that a pro-abort or somebody POSEting as a 'pro-choicer' or 'pro-lifer' would go do.
Yes, there are some rapists and child molesters who are not employed by the abortion industry, some who even pretend to be Christians, Catholics, or pro-lifers... (but all of whom benefit by the abortion industry helping them to cover up and to continue their crimes)... SO therefore you object to it being exposed that the abortion industry employs and aides rapists and child molesters?!?
Hey I don't care if rapists and child molesters are exposed, regardless of whom they work for or what they claim their POV of abortion is. So from my POV your threat that I better keep quiet about the rapists and molesters that are employed and enabled BY the abortion industry, OR ELSE you will bring up the rapists and molesters who are not (openly) pro-abort, doesn't bother me. Go ahead and post some stuff about creeps who used the Catholic church (AND the Boy Scouts, Big Brothers organization, schools... whatever...) in order to get access to their victims. Because I have absolutely NO objection to parents being given info so they can protect their children regardless of what organizations may have, inadvertantly or knowingly, covered for the molesters.
You however OBVIOUSLY want pro-lifers to keep quiet about the rapists and child molesters who work for the abortion industry, or who are enabled by the abortion industry (which is basically ALL molesters). You've made it clear that if anyone posts something revealing the rapists and child molesters the abortion industry is hiding and helping, you will counter with the pretense that pro-lifers supposedly endorse and excuse similar crimes being committed by Catholics?
Your intent is to try to keep pro-lifers from posting info about how the abortion industry hires and helps rapists and molesters - THAT is what you object to.
That indicates you are more concerned about defending the abortion industry, even the rapist and child molesting abortionists, than you are about their victims, doesn't it?

reply from: ProInformed

And by "we" you mean the pro-abort, pretenda 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life' POSEters who come to this forum for the purpose of defending the abortion industry, right?
BTW, which prominent Chicago abortionist made "kiddie porn" featuring his
own 3-year-old daughter, and, when caught, blamed his prosecution on
local pro-lifers?
You see to me it doesn't matter whether a creep who makes kiddie porn featuring his own or somebody else's child, is employed as an abortionist or a Catholic priest or a teacher or a camp counselor, or what religion he claims to be.
This is an abortion debate forum, and therefore the fact that the abortion industry hides and helps child molesters is a VERY relevent topic for discussion here.
You apparently object to the abortion industry's complicity in child abuse being exposed and discussed.
That amounts to you defending the abortion industry and the child abuse they commit, hide, and enable.
There's simply no logical reason for a real pro-lifer to do that.
So go ahead and post some stuff about other child molesters that you think will cause pro-lifers to keep quiet about the abortion industry's complicity in child abuse. So what? Do you really think that people with a genuine concern for children will then shut up about the abortion industry's complicity in committing and abetting child abuse?
You are basically saying:
- if we don't keep the abortion industry/child abuse connection, that very few citizens know about, that the media helps cover up - a secret
- then you will retaliate by 'exposing' the already highly publicized cases of child abuse committed by those who used involvement in the Catholic church to get access to victims?
Your threat sounds stupid - so what?
People who really care about children don't offer or accept deals to help hide some abusers in exchange for other abusers not being mentioned.

reply from: Yuuki

Be "we" I mean you, and I. Shall we, who are having a conversation, discuss the downfalls of ANY organization in an attempt to deface it? The act of performing an abortion is killing; what more needs to be said? Anything else is just yellow journalism.

reply from: nancyu

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/519241.html
Abortion attempt leads to charges
Police: Man did not prevent friends from secretly giving drug to pregnant teenager
By Amanda Clegg, aclegg@altoonamirror.com,
WILLIAMSBURG - A Williamsburg man was charged Tuesday with attempting to kill the unborn child of a 17-year-old girl last year.
State police at Hollidaysburg arrested Jonathan Keith Imler Sr. of 303 E. First St., 46, of Williamsburg for attempted criminal homicide and aggravated assault of an unborn child, simple assault, recklessly endangering another person, theft by unlawful taking and corruption of minors.
Imler was arraigned and placed in the Blair County Prison in lieu of bail, police said.
Police also filed juvenile petitions against two juveniles connected to the incident.
The juvenile cases will be heard at a later date, Trooper Jeff Petucci said.
After the girl became pregnant with her 16-year-old boyfriend, he, along with a 17-year-old boy and Imler, stole a bottle of ProstaMate - a liquid farmers use to bring cows into heat or abort a calf - and a syringe from Donald Eastep's farm on Clover Creek Road, Huston Township, between March 23 and March 30, 2008, police said.
The criminal complaint states the three men talked about giving the drug to the girl to kill her unborn child.
"The accused mentioned to the juveniles that it wasn't a good idea but did nothing to stop them from doing it," the complaint states.
The 17-year-old boy used the syringe to put one drop of ProstaMate into a Gatorade drink, which the girl drank after her boyfriend brought it to Williamsburg Community High School and gave it to her March 31, 2008, police said.
The 17-year-old told police he had heard that giving her the substance might cause a miscarriage and could have killed the girl.
Police said an FBI laboratory found traces of the drug in the Gatorade.
A phone call to a possible family member of the girl was not returned.
The mother of the girl, who remained anonymous to protect her daughter's identity, talked to the Mirror in April 2008 about the incident.
The mother said her daughter was alerted about the tainted drink hours after ingesting it. She said they called 911 and went by ambulance to Altoona Regional Health System, Altoona Hospital Campus.
She said hospital doctors could not find any conclusive evidence of what effect the substance might have on the girl or her unborn baby.
She said doctors told her that because the substance is a hormone, it wouldn't hurt the girl, but it could have aborted the fetus. In the end, it did not.
According to a Phoenix Scientific Inc. Freedom of Information Act summary, the warning label on ProstaMate reads that a property of the substance is ''readily absorbed through the skin and can cause abortion and/or bronchospasms.''
The label warns that women of child-bearing age, asthmatics and people with respiratory problems should exercise extreme caution when handling the product.
Mirror Staff Writer Amanda Clegg is at 949-7030.

reply from: nancyu

I think this thread is the appropriate place for this article. I hope there aren't too many people out there who disagree. But I'm afraid that might be thinking too optimistically.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2488&program=Bioethics&callingPage=discoMainPage
"Human Non-Person"
Terri Schiavo, bioethics, and our future.
By: Wesley J. Smith
National Review Online
March 29, 2005
My debate about Terri Schiavo's case with Florida bioethicist Bill Allen on Court TV Online eventually got down to the nitty-gritty:
Wesley Smith: Bill, do you think Terri is a person?
Bill Allen: No, I do not. I think having awareness is an essential criterion for personhood. Even minimal awareness would support some criterion of personhood, but I don't think complete absence of awareness does.
If you want to know how it became acceptable to remove tube-supplied food and water from people with profound cognitive disabilities, this exchange brings you to the nub of the Schiavo case - the "first principle," if you will. Bluntly stated, most bioethicists do not believe that membership in the human species accords any of us intrinsic moral worth. Rather, what matters is whether "a being" or "an organism," or even a machine, is a "person," a status achieved by having sufficient cognitive capacities. Those who don't measure up are denigrated as "non-persons."
Allen's perspective is in fact relatively conservative within the mainstream bioethics movement. He is apparently willing to accept that "minimal awareness would support some criterion of personhood" - although he doesn't say that awareness is determinative. Most of his colleagues are not so reticent. To them, it isn't sentience per se that matters but rather demonstrable rationality. Thus Peter Singer of Princeton argues that unless an organism is self-aware over time, the entity in question is a non-person. The British academic John Harris, the Sir David Alliance professor of bioethics at the University of Manchester, England, has defined a person as "a creature capable of valuing its own existence." Other bioethicists argue that the basic threshold of personhood should include the capacity to experience desire. James Hughes, who is more explicitly radical than many bioethicists (or perhaps, just more candid), has gone so far as to assert that people like Terri are "sentient property."
So who are the so-called human non-persons? All embryos and fetuses, to be sure. But many bioethicists also categorize newborn infants as human non-persons (although some bioethicists refer to healthy newborns as "potential persons"). So too are those with profound cognitive impairments such as Terri Schiavo and President Ronald Reagan during the latter stages of his Alzheimer's disease.
Personhood theory would reduce some of us into killable and harvestable people. Harris wrote explicitly that killing human non-persons would be fine because "Non-persons or potential persons cannot be wronged" by being killed "because death does not deprive them of something they can value. If they cannot wish to live, they cannot have that wish frustrated by being killed."
And killing isn't the half of it. Some of the same bioethicists who have been telling us how right and moral it is to dehydrate Terri Schiavo have also urged that people like Terri - that is, human non-persons - be harvested or otherwise used as mere instrumentalities. Bioethicist big-wig Tom Beauchamp of Georgetown University has suggested that "because many humans lack properties of personhood or are less than full persons, they...might be aggressively used as human research subjects or sources of organs."
Such thinking is not fringe in bioethics, a field in which the idea of killing for organs is fast becoming mainstream. In 1997, several doctors writing for the International Forum for Transplant Ethics opined in The Lancet that people (like Terri) diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state should be redefined as dead for purposes of organ procurement:
If the legal definition of death were to be changed to include comprehensive irreversible loss of higher brain function, it would be possible to take the life of a patient (or more accurately to stop the heart, since the patient would be defined as dead) by a lethal injection, and then to remove the organs needed for transplantation subject to the usual criteria for consent.
Knowing that this kind of thinking predominates in contemporary bioethics, I decided to bring up the matter in my Court TV debate with Bill Allen.
Wesley Smith: If Terri is not a person, should her organs be procured with consent?
Bill Allen: ...Yes, I think there should be consent to harvest her organs, just as we allow people to say what they want done with their assets.
Put that in your hat and ponder it for a moment: If organ harvesting from the cognitively devastated were legal today - thank goodness, it isn't - Michael Schiavo would be the one, no doubt sanctioned by Judge Greer, who could consent to doctors' "stopping" Terri's heart and harvesting her organs.
Think that's a horrid thought? Well, ponder this: More than ten years ago, transplant-medicine ethicists Robert M. Arnold and Stuart J. Youngner painted a disturbing picture of the kind of society that the bioethics movement is leading us toward: literally a culture in which organ procurement is a routine part of end-of-life care and "planned deaths." The ethicists predicted that in the not-too-distant future:
Machine dependent patients could give consent for organ removal before they are dead. For example, a ventilator-dependent ALS patient could request that life support be removed at 5:00 P.M, but that at 9:00 A.M. the same day he be taken to the operating room, put under general anesthesia, and his kidneys, liver and pancreas removed...The patient's heart would not be removed and would continue to beat throughout surgery, perfusing the other organs with warm, oxygen-and-nutrient-rich blood until they were removed. The heart would stop, and the patient would be pronounced dead only after the ventilator was removed at 5:00 P.M., according to plan, and long before the patient could die from renal, hepatic, or pancreatic failure.
Know this: There is a direct line from the Terri Schiavo dehydration to the potential for this stunning human strip-mining scenario's becoming a reality. Indeed, as Arnold and Youngner put it so well, "If a look into such a future hurts our eyes (or turns our stomachs), is our discomfort any different from what we would have experienced 30 years ago by looking into the future that is today?"
Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, an attorney for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, and a special consultant to the Center for Bioethics and Culture. He is the author most recently of Consumer's Guide to a Brave New World.
The work of Discovery Institute is made possible by the generosity of its members.

reply from: lukesmom

My dh has severe heart problems and all his family dies in their 60's of cardiac issues. My oldest was very, very athletic, playing basketball almost everyday then weightlifting, running in summer and football in the fall in addition to the basketball. I wanted to make sure his heart was ok. His EKG was fine and his pediatrition refused to do additional testing. After another year I was able to convince him to do an Echo. because of question of the possibility of another diagnosis that causes abnormal growth, my son is very tall. Good thing I did because the echo showed a deformity of the left ventrical, then when wearing the Holter Monitor he had a 4 beat run of nonsustained V tach. That is an abnormal heart rhythem that leads to V fib which is a nonviable rhythem. He was immediately taken out of sports. The other kids also have the left ventrical abnormality also. We don't know if it is genetic. Many other family members have been checked and are negative for that particular deformity. The only symptoms my son had was excessive exhaustion after a weekend of intense basketball games. We are lucky. Many, many young athletes die of Sudden Cardiac Death who had no previous symptoms. This is why I have been researching and trying to teach parents, doctors to go the extra mile with sports physicals and require an Echo for any athlete with a family history of cardiac problems.

reply from: CharlesD

No such thing. How some people can't understand that simple fact is simply dumfounding.

reply from: 4choice4all

Thanks for sharing. How scary! Sounds like your nursing skills and mom sense paid off.

reply from: lukesmom

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I never said those things, either.
Do a Google search using "prolife America." You can find ANY post from this board. You should have no problem finding those quotes any more than I have any problem finding your impaired, slurry "fart-sniffer" posts or Nancyu's "kids pay the bills" posts.
They're all out there FOREVER in Google cache...

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6674&enterthread=y

I misstated, instead of "so called", you actually wrote "claims to be". Which actually insinuates the same thing.
And prodding your memory, how about this nice little crack Aren't you the one who had child after child after child after child after child with the same congenital heart defect?
And how about this one: DOOMED MUTANTS (link removed)
What could be more compassionate that forcing her to go through the labor and delivery process so that she can crank out some tragic mess - or better yet - deliver that mess ALIVE so she can spend the next hour watching it shudder and gasp as its primitive brain stem fails?
Spinny, the liar is YOU.

reply from: ProInformed

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I never said those things, either.
Do a Google search using "prolife America." You can find ANY post from this board. You should have no problem finding those quotes any more than I have any problem finding your impaired, slurry "fart-sniffer" posts or Nancyu's "kids pay the bills" posts.
They're all out there FOREVER in Google cache...

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6674&enterthread=y
">http://www.prolifeamerica.com/...4&enterthread=y
I misstated, instead of "so called", you actually wrote "claims to be". Which actually insinuates the same thing.
And prodding your memory, how about this nice little crack Aren't you the one who had child after child after child after child after child with the same congenital heart defect?
And how about this one: DOOMED MUTANTS (link removed)
What could be more compassionate that forcing her to go through the labor and delivery process so that she can crank out some tragic mess - or better yet - deliver that mess ALIVE so she can spend the next hour watching it shudder and gasp as its primitive brain stem fails?
Spinny, the liar is YOU.
Yup - spinfibby has provided plenty of evidence in this forum of her hatefullness towards women and babies. She frequently makes fun of and insults women who are grieving or who try to warn other women about how the abortion industry is lying to women, and she likes to insinuate that those women are lying.
No matter what the abortion industry or pro-aborts do to women she always sides with the abortion idustry and attacks the women with her insults and lies to try to shut them up BECAUSE she/it doesn't want the abortion industry industry to miss out on any potential abortion sales and/or doesn't care what is done to women and their babies as long as she/it can continue her 'free sex' and 'abortion on demand' lifestyle.

reply from: ProInformed

Quoting to preserve the evidence.
So it doesn't matter if women are being lied to, molested, raped, coerced, injured, and killed by an industry that advertises as 'pro-woman', eh?
The whistlblowers, advocates, and (rare) media reps who speak up to expose what the industry is up to in order to PROTECT women and babies from that industry are just practicing 'yellow journalism' from your perpsective?
And you wonder why we don't buy your pretenda-pro-lifer act?!?

reply from: ProInformed

Originally posted by: 4given
"I was told to antagonize the pro-lifers and I made the girls throw out any pro-life literature before entering the clinic. ... We would tell them, "Those people out there are terrorists, it's safer in here. They're crazy." I even told one group, "That woman out there was just released from Meadowview Mental Hospital. Don't talk to her; she killed her family." ... As soon as I got here last August, I joined the "Freedom of Choice Action League." They're big at Pine and Market. Some of them practice witchcraft and sometimes they chalk pentagrams [a Satanic symbol] on the sidewalks. ... I had written about how they openly practice witchcraft and how the clinic director tells us, every time we beat up the pro-lifers, to cover their cameras. ... I wrote [in an editorial to the Wichita Eagle] that pro-abortionists displayed sex toys in front of children and how they dumped semen and urine on people at national rescues. I personally defaced churches, LIFE, Inc., and HopeNet. I apologize for that. ... They hate God, they're anti-Christian ...
"Pro-abortionists are the terrorists, not the pro-lifers. They're the ones throwing bricks through people's windows and doing obscene things. I was shocked when I went to the Crypt to pray and they were screaming and yelling, shouting obscenities, while all the pro-lifers were praying silently."
- Reformed pro-abortion activist Raymond Rivera.

reply from: Yuuki

Quoting to preserve the evidence.
So it doesn't matter if women are being lied to, molested, raped, coerced, injured, and killed by an industry that advertises as 'pro-woman', eh?
The whistlblowers, advocates, and (rare) media reps who speak up to expose what the industry is up to in order to PROTECT women and babies from that industry are just practicing 'yellow journalism' from your perpsective?
And you wonder why we don't buy your pretenda-pro-lifer act?!?
Why would I edit that post? You seem to think I am ashamed of what I post. I'm not. What you are doing IS yellow journalism.

reply from: ProInformed

Quoting to preserve the evidence.
So it doesn't matter if women are being lied to, molested, raped, coerced, injured, and killed by an industry that advertises as 'pro-woman', eh?
The whistlblowers, advocates, and (rare) media reps who speak up to expose what the industry is up to in order to PROTECT women and babies from that industry are just practicing 'yellow journalism' from your perpsective?
And you wonder why we don't buy your pretenda-pro-lifer act?!?
Why would I edit that post? You seem to think I am ashamed of what I post. I'm not. What you are doing IS yellow journalism.
Hmmm.. so is it also just 'yellow journalism' when the media and choicist groups make such a big deal over the very rare cases of individual anti-abortion activists committing an illegal act?
It's supposedly 'yellow' journalism' to expose the dirty deeds of an INDUSTRY that IS DEFENDED by 'pro-choice' industry lobby groups, even though keeping such dirty secrets from the public ENDANGERS women...
but OK for the media and choicist groups and individuals to excessively advertise the actions of, and blame the entire pro-life movement for, rare individuals who are not members of and are NOT defended by pro-life groups?

reply from: ProInformed

During an April 10, 1993 rescue mission at the Memphis Area Medical Center for Women abortion mill, the clinic owner showed up for work and threatened to run over the rescuers with her car. The police restrained her while she screamed that the rescuers were the terrorists.

reply from: ProInformed

"According to police investigators, pro-abort Byron Looper, a county property assessor running against pro-life state Senator Tommy Burks, shot Burks to death near a pumpkin patch where he planned that day to bring schoolchildren on a hayride. Burks' body was found in his truck...
We must ask ourselves about the media coverage of this incident.
If Burks been a pro-abortionist, and Looper a prolifer, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) would have convened a special task force to investigate and search diligently for a conspiracy.
All of the major networks would have given extensive coverage to the killing, which they would have characterized as yet another example of anti-abortion violence.
Pro-aborts would have held emotional and weepy vigils all around the nation, and would have sniveled about how nobody who is 'pro-choice' is safe from violent 'anti-choicers.'
But because the victim was pro-life and the murderer was pro-abortion, it simply was not important, and was not news."

reply from: ProInformed

I guess from your pro-abort male perspective thousands of innocent babies being killed per day plus hundreds of women being killed by abortionists, is not too high of a price to be paid for your 'free sex', eh?

reply from: ProInformed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR1wUqvJS4

The commenting had to be shut down because of the hateful insults the choicists said about the 12 year old girl.

reply from: faithman

I guess from your pro-abort male perspective thousands of innocent babies being killed per day plus hundreds of women being killed by abortionists, is not too high of a price to be paid for your 'free sex', eh?
The only legitimate use of sex is between a husband and wife. All other is equally wrong.

reply from: sander

By the very nature of what they support and defend, proaborts are filled with hate.
I never scroll down to read the comments...
What a brilliant young girl.
Thanks for posting.

reply from: ProInformed

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Excuse me?
There would be no abortion industry if women like you didn't plunk down good money to get rid rid of their unwanted pregnancies. If women like you would stop whoring around and aborting the results, there would be no abortion violence. Sure, get the abortion YOU want when YOU want it, but then deny that privledge to everyone else?
Own your actions.
Thanx for adding more evidence of your INSANE hatred towards post-aborted women who speak up to protect women from abortionists!
This thread is the perfect place for your foaming at the mouth rage rants towards the women who trusted the clinic lies is.

reply from: ProInformed

By the very nature of what they support and defend, proaborts are filled with hate.
I never scroll down to read the comments...
What a brilliant young girl.
Thanks for posting.
Yea so much for the pretense that choicists care about females, eh?
That girl is helping to save babies and mothers from the tragedy of abortion - she's a hero IMHO.
And for that she was hatefully attacked by the choicists who claim to be 'pro-woman'.

reply from: sander

ProInformed said:
There isn't a larger contingency of hypocrites on God's green earth then proaborts.

reply from: JPRice

I'll make sure I don't edit this post: it got posted about 4 times in one of the other threads this morning.
In St. Paul on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade earlier this year, a man drove his truck some, not a completely done act, into the door way of Planned Parenthood: http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/38140094.html?page=1&c=y

This is an incendiary topic and this is another example of someone who went off the deep end. Wrong. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

reply from: ProInformed

So tell us exactly how many dead babies, PLUS dead women, plus dead pro-lifers,
does it take to add up to being anywhere 'equal' to the life of even one male abortionist, eh?
Doesn't sound very 'pro-woman' when you factor in how frequently, casually and routinely the babies and women are killed BY male abortionists and male 'pro-choicists' who murder their mates for refusing to 'choose' to abort their babies.

reply from: sander

And your point in continually reminding us of this, is what?

reply from: lukesmom

I guess from your pro-abort male perspective thousands of innocent babies being killed per day plus hundreds of women being killed by abortionists, is not too high of a price to be paid for your 'free sex', eh?
The only legitimate use of sex is between a husband and wife. All other is equally wrong.
What about sex between a woman and a goat?

reply from: ProInformed

Oh YES this DOES belong in this thread IMHO!
Makes your skin crawl (that is IF you aren't already sociopathically numbed and dumbed into the chanting choicist cult 'thinking'):

reply from: lukesmom

One lie leads to another doesn't it, Spinny? Good try but not buying it.

reply from: ProInformed

hmmm - which abortionist worked at that PP clinic?
Was it the abortionist who made "kiddie porn" featuring his
own 3-year-old daughter, and, when caught, blamed his prosecution on
local pro-lifers?
Or was it the abortionist who admitted to exposing himself to more than 700
women and young girls, finally kidnapped and raped a six-year-old girl and
spent seven years in prison for the crime, and was then welcomed back to
his abortion practice with open arms by the State of New York?
Was it the abortionist who was a prolific producer of child pornography, was a member of the International Diaper Pail Foundation, in
which the members are infantilists who enjoy wearing diapers, defecating in
the diapers, and smearing the defecation all over their bodies?
Or was it the abortionist who aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality,
and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)?
Was it the abortionist who was found guilty of nearly four hundred counts of medical malpractice and incompetence won the award for the
all-time original excuse by saying that her husband dominated her with
Voodoo?
Or was it the abortionist who said "This is my abortion machine, where I do
the Lord's work. I heal the sick with it," and was later convicted of more
than 60 counts of sexual abuse and sexual assault and imprisoned for
35 years?
How many women has the abortionist at that clinic injured or killed?
Tell us his name and let's examine his record, eh?

reply from: ProInformed

One of the worst "bully tactics" I have ever seen is an unborn fetus being escorted to it's death. Next to that, fmans tactics are playground pranks.
Yup - and then when the SAME women they helped the abortion industry CENSOR the truth from someday learn the truth, those same choicist bullies will support those women being insulted and harrassed to try to shut them up from wanrign other women.

reply from: sander

hmmm - which abortionist worked at that PP clinic?
Was it the abortionist who made "kiddie porn" featuring his
own 3-year-old daughter, and, when caught, blamed his prosecution on
local pro-lifers?
Or was it the abortionist who admitted to exposing himself to more than 700
women and young girls, finally kidnapped and raped a six-year-old girl and
spent seven years in prison for the crime, and was then welcomed back to
his abortion practice with open arms by the State of New York?
Was it the abortionist who was a prolific producer of child pornography, was a member of the International Diaper Pail Foundation, in
which the members are infantilists who enjoy wearing diapers, defecating in
the diapers, and smearing the defecation all over their bodies?
Or was it the abortionist who aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality,
and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)?
Was it the abortionist who was found guilty of nearly four hundred counts of medical malpractice and incompetence won the award for the
all-time original excuse by saying that her husband dominated her with
Voodoo?
Or was it the abortionist who said "This is my abortion machine, where I do
the Lord's work. I heal the sick with it," and was later convicted of more
than 60 counts of sexual abuse and sexual assault and imprisoned for
35 years?
How many women has the abortionist at that clinic injured or killed?
Tell us his name and let's examine his record, eh?
I do not believe there's a more vile group of human beings on earth....they look like they've made their beds with all the rest of the hitlers of time.
And those who support and defend these vile people are no better and no less guilty of their crimes against humanity.

reply from: ProInformed

"Fetuses are so *****in ugly."
posted by super0desu at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2l1-kvKomg

reply from: ProInformed

"Children destroy lives. People are thrown into child support because of these things. They practically absorb your money and every possible disaster. You have to worry about them destroying things when they are older and when they are teens...oh*****watch out.
Rule one in life...DON'T HAVE KIDS
Rule two in life...If you want kids refer back to rule one!"
posted by LoneWolXAxis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2l1-kvKomg

reply from: ProInformed

4choice4all - on a scale of 1-10 how well-informed do you think you are about abortion and related facts?
We have chanting choicists arriving at this site all the time - mouthing the myths they've been told by abortion industry lobby groups... before taking any time to learn the facts.
Name three of the late-term abortionists:
Name one of the women who died from a supposedly 'safe' saline abortion in the U.S. after Roe v Wade, and AFTER Japanese doctors had warned U.S. doctors that they had stopped using the saline abortion method in Japan because it was too dangerous for the mother:
Who ran six regional abortion clinics for abortionist Tommy Tucker, who taught her to perform abortions herself without formal medical training?
In the only large-scale study of pregnant rape victims ever conducted, what percent chose not to abort?
Who said:
"I was trained by a professional marketing director in how to sell abortions over the telephone. He took every one of our receptionists, nurses, and anyone else who would deal with people over the phone through an extensive training period. The object was, when the girl called, to hook the sale so that she wouldn't get an abortion somewhere else, or adopt out her baby, or change her mind. We were doing it for the money." ?
Who said:
"I'll be quite frank:
most of my abortions are elective in that 20-24 week range ...
In my particular case, probably 20% [of this procedure] are for genetic reasons. And the other 80% are purely elective." ?
What is the opinion of abortionist Warren Hern, considered THE EXPERT on abortions, who literally wrote the textbook used to teach abortionists, about RU-486?
What did the letters in NARAL stand for before Roe v Wade;
what do the letters stand for now?
Technically, at what point of human develoment is the term 'zygote' no longer accurate and honest?
At a National Abortion Federation Risk Management Seminar, how many abortionists admitted that their preferred/usual method for dealing with it when
they accidently pull bowel (extract part of a patient's bowel through a perforation in her uterus), is to stuff the bowel back through the perforation, administer medications to make the uterus contract and control bleeding, monitor the woman more carefully in recovery, and if she seemed okay, send her home none the wiser?
Yup - anyone who actually is pro-informed instead of carefully and cowardly protecting themselves from learning anythign about abortion besides what the abortion industry and biased media and biased government schools told them COULD learn the truth online, couldn't they?
So why don't you prove to us that you're as well-informed as you say you are, eh?
Answer the questions or admit you don't know and don't care enough to learn.

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/47.html [click blue text]

reply from: ProInformed

Yup look at what the disgusting insanely sociopathically cruel Roe-bots do to their victims - lunatic fringe for sure.

reply from: ProInformed

On December 5, 1988, Buffalo abortionist Barnett Slepian went wild when several pro-lifers sang Christmas carols outside his home on a public sidewalk. Slepian grabbed a baseball bat and severely injured Ronald Breymeier, 48, by beating him on the head, back, and arms, before smashing out all of the windows on Breymeier's van. Slepian surrendered to Town of Amherst police at his home a short time afterwards, and was charged with felony assault and criminal mischief. Local pro-abortionists vocally supported this incredibly violent attack.

reply from: faithman

WELLL... At least ole Tiller will now keep him company in hell.

reply from: sander

Thanks for doing the work for us....
posting your vile, lunatic comment on the right thread.

reply from: sander

Thanks for doing the work for us....
posting your vile, lunatic comment on the right thread.
I'm am now convinced the proabort lunatic fringe that shows up here (which includes ALL proaborts) are attentioned starved.
So, they become attention whores.

reply from: faithman

Thanks for doing the work for us....
posting your vile, lunatic comment on the right thread.
I'm am now convinced the proabort lunatic fringe that shows up here (which includes ALL proaborts) are attentioned starved.
So, they become attention whores.
Don't forget the false lifer sluts.

reply from: ProInformed

link to a related post:
Illegal and Violent Roe-Bot Activism
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6748&enterthread=y

reply from: ProInformed

Another link to a related thread:
Pro-Choice Violence
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=183&enterthread=y

reply from: 4choice4all

false lifer sluts...that's a new one for me,lol
scancs whores bimbos and sluts....tsk tsk faithman, you real motive(anti-woman) is showing.....

reply from: ProInformed

Just because you choicist females equate bimboism with feminism doesn't mean that pro-lifers who are anti-bimbo are therefore anti-woman.
I'm pretty sure you won't get what I just posted though - so entrenched in your feminism equals bimboism brianwashed mindset are you.
But believe it or not real feminism is NOT about encouraging women to become sex objects to be scraped out and used over and over again so that bimboys don't ever have to grow up... OR about the highest goal for feminism being to just become 'equal' with the lowest of males - the irresponsible 'frees sex' lounge lizard type of male.
Before you were even born and brainwashed into 'thinking' feminsim is 'abortion rights' there was a real women's rights movement that was anti-abortion.

reply from: Teresa18

A pro-abort on YouTube responding to a video of a girl interviewed by Bill O'Reilly telling the horrors of her abortion at Tiller's clinic and the negative effects it had on her life.

reply from: Teresa18

More from YouTube. These are from the same poster.

reply from: Teresa18

Feminazi alert. These are from the same YouTube video and are all from one poster. I wish someone would respond and tell this blabbering moron that 3rd trimester abortions DO occur and are allowed. Has she never heard of partial birth abortion? Tiller did abortions for elective reasons, and he even admitted he has done abortions up to the day before delivery. I wonder if this person is a friend of our Spinmeister.
If ignorance is bliss, this person has to be in a state close to ecstacy.

reply from: Teresa18

One more on the same YouTube video.

reply from: ProInformed

Hmmm...
Tiller certainly knew what he was doing, didn't he?
I mean the media has made sure to PUBLICIZE the risks of choosing to be an abortionist, right?
By contrast the media has helped the abortion industry cover-up the risks of having an abortion, right?
So since choicists show so little sympathy for the females that are killed BY abortionists, because they supposedly should have known the risk (should have realized the choicists and clinic staff are lying to her when they assure abortion is safe?) even though the deaths of all the women put together who've been killed by abortionists, hundreds of women, don't get as much media attention as one male abortionist's death...
why do the same choicists show so much sympathy for somebody who knew the risks and risked his own life anyway?

reply from: ProInformed

"YAWN"
futureshocks response to women killed by ectopic pregnancies BECAUSE the abortionists who operated on them failed to use proper procedures to confrim the location of the fetus and/or that all fetal body parts had been removed.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6585&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear&#lastunread

reply from: ProInformed

Looks like the Roe-bot troll 'rosalie' is back again - quote and paste her latest hatefulness in this thread.

reply from: ProInformed

"A long curved Mayo scissors may be necessary to decapitate and dismember the
fetus..."
(From the medical textbook Abortion Practice - Dr. Warren Hern, p.154,
describing legal activity).

reply from: sander

How DARE anyone call that human butcher a doctor?!
The scum of the earth do these wretched things to the helpless.
Control FREAKS...all of them!

reply from: ProInformed

Better yet, report her to the FBI.

reply from: ProInformed

spinfibby imagines herself to BE the moderator here and she/it just started another thread to chastise us for not letting threads like this one, about topics she/it says "nobody cares about" to "die".
At least she admitted that she/it doesn't care about it when somebody other than a dangerous illegal late-term abortionist is murdered.

reply from: ProInformed

Originally posted by: yodavater
Yes, it takes a lot of courage for a 100 pound woman to kill a two ounce baby.
Response from 'ProChoiceInNY' (latest Roe-bot troll to arrive in the forum):
"Real, real brave..........
As brave as those nuts outside the clinics that bang their fundy drums and scream murderer and whore at the poor girls who have to try and get through that throng?
And seriously? I've killed fish that weigh more then your little "babies" and I felt no remorse over a fish, why should I over something that can't even string two thoughts together?"

reply from: yoda

Carole will, and she'll suggest that you ought to also.......

reply from: sander

Carole will, and she'll suggest that you ought to also.......
She can suggest all she wants, I don't have blinders on, she ought to try seeing the truth for once too.
She's in for a shock if she ever dares to look.

reply from: faithman

Carole will, and she'll suggest that you ought to also.......
She can suggest all she wants, I don't have blinders on, she ought to try seeing the truth for once too.
She's in for a shock if she ever dares to look.
Just more conscience salve to mask the fact of slaughtering three of her own.

reply from: ProInformed

Carole will, and she'll suggest that you ought to also.......
She can suggest all she wants, I don't have blinders on, she ought to try seeing the truth for once too.
She's in for a shock if she ever dares to look.
Just more conscience salve to mask the fact of slaughtering three of her own.
Do you mean she hasn't even learned the truth yet about exactly what was done to her babies?

reply from: sander

That's not what I meant.
I meant she needs to learn the truth about what kind of men and women these are that murder children for a living.
She fears, worries (?) about what we call these monsters more than she cares about the babies that are butchered as far as I can tell.

reply from: sander

Originally spewed by Rosalie:
Prime example of the LUNATIC FRINGE!

reply from: Rosalie

Just because you choicist females equate bimboism with feminism doesn't mean that pro-lifers who are anti-bimbo are therefore anti-woman.
I'm pretty sure you won't get what I just posted though - so entrenched in your feminism equals bimboism brianwashed mindset are you.
But believe it or not real feminism is NOT about encouraging women to become sex objects to be scraped out and used over and over again so that bimboys don't ever have to grow up... OR about the highest goal for feminism being to just become 'equal' with the lowest of males - the irresponsible 'frees sex' lounge lizard type of male.
Before you were even born and brainwashed into 'thinking' feminsim is 'abortion rights' there was a real women's rights movement that was anti-abortion.
It's sad when you see male misogynists but it's even more upsetting when it's women as well. You are not, unfortunately, a rarity though.

reply from: Rosalie

Prime example of the LUNATIC FRINGE!
I stand by that.
And of course that misogynistic sociopaths would rage against the fact neither you nor anyone else can use women's bodies against their will.

reply from: Rosalie

Sounds funny from you since you've just confessed you can't wait to start killing pro-choicers.
So are you really hoping to start murdering people you disagree with?
What about our children, are they a fair game too? Or are you going to specialize only in turning them into orphans?
Depends on how far the acorns fall from the death scum tree I guess....

reply from: faithman

Sounds funny from you since you've just confessed you can't wait to start killing pro-choicers.
So are you really hoping to start murdering people you disagree with?
What about our children, are they a fair game too? Or are you going to specialize only in turning them into orphans?
Depends on how far the acorns fall from the death scum tree I guess....
I have never advocated murdering people I do not agree with. That is your sides stock and trade. You murder the womb child because you don't agree with their existance. All I have ever pointed out, is that for the last 4 thousand years of western history, as well as the history of the church, The only legit use of lethal force is to stop evil aggression against the innocent. You can not point to one post where I have said that it is OK to "murder" people I don't agree with. It has never happened, and never will. The above post is merely pointing out the fact that if your children take up arms against the innocent, then they are prime candidates for the use of lethal force. Teach them to live at peace, and not take up arms against the innocent, then they have nothing to fear. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to mine. So don't presume to talk for me.

reply from: Rosalie

Sounds funny from you since you've just confessed you can't wait to start killing pro-choicers.
So are you really hoping to start murdering people you disagree with?
What about our children, are they a fair game too? Or are you going to specialize only in turning them into orphans?
Depends on how far the acorns fall from the death scum tree I guess....
I have never advocated murdering people I do not agree with. That is your sides stock and trade. You murder the womb child because you don't agree with their existance. All I have ever pointed out, is that for the last 4 thousand years of western history, as well as the history of the church, The only legit use of lethal force is to stop evil aggression against the innocent. You can not point to one post where I have said that it is OK to "murder" people I don't agree with. It has never happened, and never will. The above post is merely pointing out the fact that if your children take up arms against the innocent, then they are prime candidates for the use of lethal force. Teach them to live at peace, and not take up arms against the innocent, then they have nothing to fear. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to mine. So don't presume to talk for me.
You have just done it again. "Brainwash your kids with 'pro-life' immorality or I'll kill them."
You're a sick, terroristic *****tard.

reply from: faithman

Sounds funny from you since you've just confessed you can't wait to start killing pro-choicers.
So are you really hoping to start murdering people you disagree with?
What about our children, are they a fair game too? Or are you going to specialize only in turning them into orphans?
Depends on how far the acorns fall from the death scum tree I guess....
I have never advocated murdering people I do not agree with. That is your sides stock and trade. You murder the womb child because you don't agree with their existance. All I have ever pointed out, is that for the last 4 thousand years of western history, as well as the history of the church, The only legit use of lethal force is to stop evil aggression against the innocent. You can not point to one post where I have said that it is OK to "murder" people I don't agree with. It has never happened, and never will. The above post is merely pointing out the fact that if your children take up arms against the innocent, then they are prime candidates for the use of lethal force. Teach them to live at peace, and not take up arms against the innocent, then they have nothing to fear. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to mine. So don't presume to talk for me.
You have just done it again. "Brainwash your kids with 'pro-life' immorality or I'll kill them."
You're a sick, terroristic *****tard.
That isn't what I said at all. I said don't take agressive action against the innocent, and you are perfectly safe. But sick little puppies never get anything right. That would be part of your sickness.

reply from: sander

Prime example of the LUNATIC FRINGE!
I stand by that.
And of course that misogynistic sociopaths would rage against the fact neither you nor anyone else can use women's bodies against their will.
You really need to learn a new word; "misogynistic" is getting entirely worn out, lunatic.

reply from: yoda

You're going to wear yourself out reading all the idiotic crap they put out.
People reading on U-tube are looking for entertainment, not logic or truth.

reply from: yoda

"Misandrist" comes to mind....

reply from: ProInformed

(posted by 4given in another thread - reposting here as even more evidence of choice cult fanaticism):
From the article:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/R...mpts/story?id=8594347
Irene Vilar worries that her self-described "abortion addiction" will be misunderstood, twisted by the pro-life movement to deny women the right to choose.
Her book, "Impossible Motherhood," which will be released by Other Press on Oct. 6, chronicles her own dark choices: 15 abortions in 16 years, much of it as a married woman.
As press on the book has begun to leak out, Vilar -- a literary agent and editor --- says she has already sensed "an inkling of hatred."
Vilar has scheduled only closed-door interviews and will not do a book tour. At the urging of her husband, they have made sure all public property records do not reflect her name, so she cannot be targeted at their home.
"I am worried about my safety and the hate mail," she told ABCNews.com in a telephone interview as her home-schooled children were at work on a painting project.
"No book like this has ever been written," she told ABCNews.com. "I just imagine the 'baby killer' and I could be a poster child for that kind of fundamentalism. And there are my little kids in all of that."
Today, at 40, the Latina author has two young children, but her troubled past continues to haunt her well into motherhood.
Vilar attended boarding school in New Hampshire and was just 15 when she left for Syracuse University, where she fell in love and later married her first husband, a tyrannical 50-year-old professor.
With a predilection for young women, he bragged that his relationships had never lasted more than five years and that having children killed sexual desire.
She says their emotionally dependent relationship was riddled with shame, self-mutilation and several suicide attempts.

reply from: ProInformed

an example of a choicist (choice cult) fanatic defending a serial adulterer who killed 15 babies in 16 years by abortion:
Originally posted by: fetalisa
"Don't worry. We are well aware the prolife won't stop until women who have abortions are burned at the stake, just like the 'good old days.' That's precisely why our society does not listen to you blood thirsty nutjobs."
Um never mind the fact that non-sociopaths still outnumber sicko sociopaths like you fetalisa. You're the one obsessively defending the human sacrifice of innocent human babies - not because of some myth about the sun maybe not rising if you dont keep killing - but because of your perverted worship of 'free sex'.
MOST people in no way share YOUR sicko pov fetalisa - MOST people accurately acknowledge that serial aborters are indeed sociopathic.
Oh BTW, fetalisa you've just provided more evidence for the lunatic fringe thread - evidence that you choicist fanatics are insanely devoted to the killing of innocent human babies.
This OBVIOUSLY sociopathic killer - who killed 15 of her own babies - is somebody that MOST people would most definitely NOT want to have wandering around in society, possibly endangering OUR children too!
The fact that you think like her and defend her does not exactly make the rest of us look like fanatics, btw - it just shows how warped your thinking has become because you have yet to deal with having killed your own baby by abortion.

reply from: fetalisa

It takes a child-like mentality to continually claim ZEFs are babies, when any medical dictionary could easily clear up your extreme confusion about the differences between ZEFs and babies. Repeatedly claiming 'ZEFs are babies,' or 'ZEFs are persons,' will not make it true, no more than repeating the claims will magically make the rest of society too ignorant to know the differences.
In what way does this woman endanger your children? In what way does a woman exercising her RIGHTS over her own body, endanger your children? Is it because she has abortion cooties and you are afraid you might catch them?
I have already stated I find her choices to be financially stupid, but only because birth control is cheaper in both costs and time, even though I admit she retains the right to take financially stupid actions. How does that constitute 'defending' her?
Not fanatics, but dumbasses, who can't even be bothered to pick up a medical dictionary and read the definitions of the words 'zygote,' 'embryo' and 'fetus' so that one never spouts the ignorance again that ZEFs are somehow babies. The rest in our society know the differences, no matter how ignorant you claim to be of those differences.
Care to explain how someone who has never had a uterus could possibly abort? Care to admit you are an ignorant fool who makes statements while having no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims? You just broadcasted to all on these forums that you've not a clue what you are talking about, because someone who has never had a uterus could not possibly have an abortion, dumbass.

reply from: ProInformed

Well, first of all you are assuming that we are required to believe whatever you claim to be - male or female. Lying chanting choicists are not considered credible. So that leaves us to try to determine what you are based on what we know from experience about human (and inhumane) nature...
You most likely are so rabidly fanatically pro-abort because you have had one or more of your own babies killed by abortion. You obviously ignorant about fetal development and exactly what abortions do to unborn babies. Usually persons who have spent such an extended period of time at abortion-related sites would have learned and acknowledged the truth by now... SO therefore, it is quite logical to conclude that you are enslaved to defending the abortion industry no-questions-asked because you are to afraid to face the truth about your own baby (or babies) that have been killed by abortion.
BTW, every human baby has two biological parents, one of which does not have a uterus. And it's not exactly a secret that pro-abort males exert immense pressure and even threats to get the woen they impregnate to 'choose' to kill their preborn babies.
So whether or not you have a uterus - the point is still valid - you seem like just another post-aborted parent chanting choicist myths because you still haven't dealt with the reality of what was done to your baby. You HAVE TO believe the abortion industry lies, assure yourself that the photos and videos of how abortions are done can't possibly be showing the truth, because your own fear and complicity has your scared mind snapped firmly shut.

reply from: fetalisa

Not only do you have any proof that I lie in what I say, but I often post links TO BACK YP WHAT I CLAIM. When do you ever do the same?
Oh so any who agree with you have abortion cooties. Since you can't make us wear a scarlet letter 'A' in public, you instead cast fear, uncertainty and doubt, simply because we do not agree with your PERSONALLY CHOSEN BELIEFS.
You are so ignorant as to not know the difference between babies and ZEFs. Instead, you practice this voodoo ritual wherein you somehow believe repeating the LIE that ZEFs are babies, will magically make it be true. Yet, when I consult a medical dictionary, the definitions for zygote, embryo and fetus remain the same. Yet you dare to claim others are ignorant?
Oh but I have. You are so damn jealous that others have the freedom to have the most incredible, toe-curling, mind-blowing, riding the edge of orgasm for hours SEX, without guilt, shame or consequence (other than the numerous health benefits that come from that), that YOU JUST CAN'T STAND YOURSELF and the FACT you DO NOT HAVE THE SAME FREEDOM!
Why don't you address the real issue here instead of evade it? You have no right whatosever to use ANY part of my body WITHOUT MY CONSENT, EVEN IF IT MEANS YOU DIE. Why should a ZEF have a right that neither you nor I have?
And your proof of the above can be found where?
And you are so pissed you lack the FREEDOM to have the most incredible, mind-blowing, toe-curling SEX FOR HOURS ON END, that all you can do about is hate on those who CAN DO JUST THAT!!!

reply from: ProInformed

anyone who believes this abortionist is 'pro-woman' is an absolute idiot:
http://www.ajc.com/news/north-fulton/marietta-doctor-arrested-in-157626.html

reply from: saucie

More "HATE" displayed by the proaborts....that's all they know.

reply from: ProInformed

More "HATE" displayed by the proaborts....that's all they know.
Nasty choicist fanatics spew their hate speech at anyone who refuses to 'choose' to defend and pay for baby-klling, but they have nothing to say when pregnant women are murdered by pro-abort males (when the women refuse to 'choose' to 'abort on demand' - the MALE'S demand).

reply from: ProInformed

Sounds like the message board was recently attacked by the lunatic fringe nasties.
Thanx for cleaning up the message board and thereby preserving this pro-life forum for it's intended pro-life purpose.

reply from: ProInformed

posted in another thread by MC3:
"...the PLA Forum was attacked by a collection of juvenile pro-aborts last night. When we arrived this morning, we discovered that there were several new "members" who had started dozens of threads featuring more than a hundred posts.
The material included: discussions about how much they enjoy eating, collecting and displaying fetuses; graphic descriptions of their own and their partners' genitals and what they like to do with them (although "genitals" is not the word they used), intricate details about what kind of sexual perversions Jesus might have engaged in; what it must be like to see God ejaculate (but again, "ejaculate" is not the word they used); lots of remarks about the sexual depravities of black people with a heavy emphasis on genital size (and once more, neither "genital" or "black" was used); many references to how the intellectual inferiority of minorities relates to their sexual superiority ; etc...."

reply from: nancyu

http://issues4lifefoundation.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/why-african-americans-accept-abortion/#comments

reply from: Spinwubby

Gee Heather, could you post the same stories 10,000 more times?

reply from: nancyu

Gee Laura, laurie, what ever your name is, could you come back as a different cow about 10 or 15 more times?


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