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So you say your Pro Life huh?

by: Taylor00

When my daughter was born and I found myself a single father, I had to wonder were all you pro lifer's were to assist me. I chose for her to be born, and her mom agreed, but also agreed I would raise her. She chose her career and the dreams she had before the pregnancy, I was totally cool with that, she had a right to her choice and honored my choice too. She could have said no and aborted, it was totally legal back then. But she gave me my right to have this child and raise her.
All these years that I worked three jobs at a time, went to college and raised my daughter I asked myself, where are all these pro lifers that care so much about these unborn babies once they are born? Where is all the love and concern for the baby once it takes it's first breath? I can tell you where they arent! They are not out in society assisting parents with real life issues!
If a pro lifer really cared about these unborn children then they would still care about that child once it is born. This would actually mean being involved with social change, community support, and if there were real programs out there supporting parents that bring their children into this world, less would feel the real need to abort a child. I was 20 yrs old when my daughter came into this world and 23 yrs later it is worse now than it was back then.
So I am wondering is there any pro lifers out there doing a single thing about social change, or do all of you just run your mouths claiming you care about a child, and then just acting like the children on welfare roles had no connection to the unborn children you profess so much love for? Man with that kind of love we can all live with out it.
I have to believe some of you are doing something, but imagine if everyone that was putting the energy into so called Pro Life activities was actually backing up their mouths with actions that would be amazing.
Will look forward to hearing what all of you are doing for social support and change for unplanned pregnancies for woman and real life problems. After all you all claim to care so much for these children, just gotta know what your actually doing.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Birthright gives lots of baby items for free to parents of small children if the parents can't afford everything.
www.birthright.com

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Yeah, I had a friend who was talked out of getting an abortion by one of those pro-life groups. They took her to one of those crisis pregnancy centers and promised to help her and giver her stuff for the baby if she didn't get an abortion. A couple months later she called to see if they could get her some pregnancy vitamins. They didn't call back so she went in and they wouldn't see her. She asked if they had a car seat of anything, and they told her to ***** off. She ended up having to go out of state for a late-term abortion.

reply from: lukesmom

Excuse me but this works both ways. Prolifers are not mind readers. Did you LOOK for help or did you think that by magic help would appear? My family runs a nonprofit everything you could ever want for babies and children of ALL ages. No questions asked. My mom started this in my bedroom when I left for college and we all pitch in and help when we can. She has now grown to the basement of an old hotel and several others have copied her idea and opened "stores" of their own. I have personally given diapers, beds, clothes etc to anyone who asked and sometimes gave my own kids things or my own money and I don't have the financial resources but there is always someone worse off than you are. The thing is, I CAN'T help if I am not asked. Now, sounds like your child is older, what are you doing to help other than whine and complain?

reply from: lukesmom

Sorry, your story doesn't jive and is a second hand version from an untrustworthy source.

reply from: 4given

Your little story is likely completely fabricated. Stop wasting others time here w/ your deliberate attempts to twist the truth. You are saying she decided to abort a child because she couldn't get vitamins (state paid if she had seen a dr. , confirmed a pregnancy and been approved for medicaid, which she would have w/out insurance), or a car seat? She would not need a carseat until she was leaving the hospital. Hospitals even assist w/ that as well. Admit that you are been dishonest and apologize for yet again, wasting others time w/ your feeble attempts to justify murdering your own child!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

She got the abortion because she realized everything they had promised (from baby clothes and diapers to free childcare so she could work) was a lie and that they never intended to help her at all. It wasn't just over pregnancy vitamins; that was just when she realized she'd been lied to. I'm not being dishonest, that sort of thing happens all the time. Because my friend was past the time for legal abortion here in Virginia, they stopped trying to help because they thought they'd "saved her baby" which is all they cared about. They didn't care if she and her kid ended up living on the street after it was born.
From this article:
http://alternet.org/rights/35545/?page=1

reply from: galen

Lolita,
your friend could have walked into any crisis pregnancy centre run by Catholic Charities and been able to recieve medical, schooling, clothing, housing, childcare, all with no requirements and no questions asked. many of the centres also provide legal assistance. The centre I volunteer at has a goal of self sufficiency so that when a woman leaves us she can support her child if that is her wish... without welfare, and if she gives the child up for adoption we will continue to support her intill she is on her feet. We provide a way to live a life not just get through a crisis.
maybe your friend was looking for an easy out? i find that women who are really trying to keep thier children do so against any odds... not just get an answer they do not want and then go out and commit murder. Why did she not give up her baby for adoption...? If she was 3rd trimester than that child was viable in every sense of the word.
Mary

reply from: yoda

Like CP says, we get this kind of crap all the time. Rabid proaborts like you try to support the morality of abortion by attacking the morality of your opponents. And you can't even see how idiotic that is, can you?
Do your best to imagine this: suppose all your rabid proaborts were angels, and all we prolifers were devils. How would that make elective abortion one iota more moral?
Or would you rather just admit that you have no support for elective abortion, and want to distract us with stupid personal attacks?

reply from: galen

Hi ya Yoda!!!!
Mary

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I know there are good crisis pregnancy centers, but for every good one there is at least one that can't help anyone. The problem is that some of them want to convince a woman not to have an abortion and then ignore her once it's no longer legal. Unfortunately, there aren't many good ones near by.
Unlike many pro-choicers I know, I have no problem with cpc's, provided they're upfront about their purpose and their services and they actually help women during and after pregnancy. My friend considered giving her baby up for adoption, but her ex-husband was going to make a big fuss about it. He didn't have the money or the time to take care of the kid himself, but he threatened to not sign the papers and make a big fuss if she gave it up for adoption. One of those "If I can't have it, no one can!" types. I'm not sure if she was serious about keeping it or what. I don't think she really knew what she wanted.

reply from: lukesmom

So, why is this the cpc's fault? Sounds like your friend didn't try hard enough and didn't really care to begin with. The father has no choice in support no matter what he says.

reply from: galen

so she just kills a viable infant? not a good excuse.
Mary

reply from: yoda

WB, Mary!
Good to see you posting again, even if it is in response to someone who compares unborn babies to flies, puppies, and kittens.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

So, why is this the cpc's fault? Sounds like your friend didn't try hard enough and didn't really care to begin with. The father has no choice in support no matter what he says.
She was expecting help from the cpc, and they ignored her and didn't do anything they had promised to do. The father could've been made to pay child support (not much, though because he doesn't have a job) but not to babysit or provide any real help except a very small check. He refused to watch the baby or pay more than what would be required by law, but he didn't want her giving it up for adoption. Funnily enough, he had no problems with her aborting, just with "Some stranger looking after my flesh and blood!".

reply from: galen

So why go through the psychological horror that goes along with killing the child that you have felt kick inside you. By that time a mother is feeling her child move and respond to her , hiccough, roll, wiggle, etc. What will you say to your friend when she is having nightmares about her child screaming for her, or constatntly looks for the baby as if it weren't dead?
i don't usually do this , but if she needs counseling then have her get in touch with me through IM and we will find someone for free in her area.
You poor friend is going to go through grief just as if her child were stillborn, if she does not get help then it will be worse.
mary

reply from: galen

hi ya Yoda!
just popped in today, I'm off from school for the MLK and i don't do rounds untill 10pm tonight (YEAH!!!! NO LECTURES!!!)
I do have a handfull of very sweet ( read this as sleeping) infants within arms reach though. We had quite a baby boom in the last month. If i'm lucky i'll get another 30 min or so before they all start screaming for mom.
Mary

reply from: Taylor00

Yep, this is about the responses I expected to get from my post. But I am going to respond to a few questions .
What do I do about social issues? As my daughter was growing up I worked for a non profit organization that assisted people in home "ownership" not low rent, not free hand outs, but by providing non traditional loans, building houses/ and rehabing homes, for persons that were making low income wages so that they could actually own a home, and be a part of the tax base in the community.
I donated my time for free, working with single mothers with children in all areas of need, drug addiction, housing, education etc. I did this and worked at the above mentioned organization. I assisted property owners in providing housing for homeless single parents and their children, clothing, food, etc.
And all the time I did this stuff I went to college, and raised my daughter to be compassionate, loving and honorable in all that she does. To accept others without judgement or condemnation!
What do I do today? I am a sociologist, I work for no pay in my community as a member of a committee that is motivated to end chronic homeless in my area. I also run a non profit organization for another population of people that are under served that i will not go into... and I am in grad school finishing up my clinical liscense for therapeutic practice. I worked for 7 yrs for children with dual diagnosis, you know the societial kids people want to throw away. Often these children are products of mothers that did not have abortions but exposed their children to vetal alcohol and drug addictions. These children are shoved into a failing foster care system, level three, four and five care facilities with little hope of a normal life.
So yes I do think I have some serious room to step in this forum and ask what are others doing? I am pro choice and here is why: I believe that we all are held accountable for the choices that we make. And while I may believe to abort a child is murder, it is not my right or any elses right to place my morals on someone else. It is not for me to judge another person, but it is my obligation to help other humans facing lives in struggle. IF I am going to run my mouth then you better believe that I feel I need to make my life actions back up my words!
Quite frankly what I really would have perferred to hear is not a bunch of excuses such of why it is okay for you to lay your moral values out there to tare down the very inner fabric of women in a stressful situation, and calling them murder's and I believe I saw in this site some referring to them as *****s and you yet you think you are superior in your values? You have got to be kidding me!
With the exception of the person that shared what her mother did to help with things using her bed room and moving to basements, no one seemed to have a thing worth really reading to say!
I did see a bunch of excuses on why the majority of you feel that being a part of social efforts in your community is not your responsiblity even though you run your mouths on how you care about babies that are unborn. I find that amazing, all this passion? Really? No seems to me that it is all about thinking you are better than someone else, based on some moral code you think everyone else should just adhere to.
If you really cared about abortion, then you would be a part of solutions on real life issues within your community and stop using excuses.
So aside from all of that crap, i still am seriously wanting to know if there are people out there that are pro life that are sincerely doing things in their communities to actually help in their communities? I would like to think there are!
I just don't know where you are. I would sure like to quite frankly know, and I am not saying that in a tone of snideness, I am seriously looking for you.
let me shed some light on why I came in here:
My daughter now 23 and her boyfriend 23 are preparing to have a baby, due first part of Sept. She wants to learn about pre natal care, he is scared but excited and we all feel could use a good young fathers support group to be active in. They went to some center somewhere and all they got was offers to abort the child. She asked for a ultra sound and they said not unless you are aborting do we supply that. HOW SICK IS THAT! Great, tramatise a person using ultra sound is apparently okay, but for the health of the unborn child, I guess that is not affordable?
I have been all over the internet trying to find them resources to have access to what they are looking for. What I found was resources for abortions, adoptions, and teen agers in trouble, not a thing for young couple who have chosen to stop college and work longer hours until the baby is born, and bring this baby into the world. So that is why I am asking where the crap are all those bleeding hearts at? Are there seriously no services out there for them, or are they going to be forced to be a part of the welfare system just to get some assistance in education and prenatal care? They do not want welfare, just some help in learning things and some group support for things they will be going threw with the pregnancy.
I really had thought we had come further as a society these past 20 yrs, and I have found that social support networks are absolutely screwed up, and if you all can't tell me what actions your taking besides running your mouths, who can tell me?
Yes I do believe we have a obligation to help others in our communities! So for the person that asked me that question i would sure like to know how you think you have the right to force a change in a law and yet not address the fall out from doing so!
My daughter does not live near me and does not want a hand out. She wants support/education as she goes through her first pregnancy. And I really wanted to believe it was out there somewhere. She lives in CA of all places!

reply from: yoda

You have no "serious room" to ask us anything. This forum is dedicated to the effort to reduce and/or eliminate elective abortion in this country, it is not here for anyone to brag about how wonderful they are, or how awful someone else is. We really don't care what you have to say about yourself, or what insults you wish to cast at us. If you have something to say on the subject of elective abortion, then you may be able to say something relevant to this forum.
Then you are violating my rights. You support criminal laws which restrict my actions, based on someone else's morals. You support laws which restrict various people who would like to murder, rape, rob, and commit all sorts of mayhem. How DARE YOU "place your morals"on me and other members of our society?
There are many ways to urge people to do the right thing, and to help those less fortunate than ourselves. Attacking random prolifers that you don't know from Adam is not one of those ways.

reply from: lukesmom

My you sound angry. How do expect to be answered when you come here and assume that no one here does anything to help other than "run your mouths off". No one here comes to brag. Maybe you are just frustrated and come off as angry? There ARE many places that can help your daughter and her bf. I now mainly do internet work in helping families that are facing a poor prenatal diagnosis as I personally experienced this. My personal experience led me in that direction. I come here now to learn and educate and apparently have my motives attacked by angry posters that assume too much. Now, I can give you some sites to help. I can also answer any questions you have about prenatal testing as in the past 4 yrs I have become very familiar with this...unfortunantly. Churches can be a great resource also and talk to her MD office about financial assistance. I didn't have insurance for 2 of my pregnancies and medical assistance/medicaid covered both me and the baby, me for about ?3months after birth and the baby for about 2 yrs after for ALL medical expenses. If your daughter and/or her bf is in college, talk to a counciler there. I am willing to bet they also have a wealth of info about where to go for assistance. I will try to continue searching on the web on this end. I am a LONG way from CA.
My computer is acting up so go to http://www.babycenter.com and go under community and look for the prenatal testing board. (My computer won't let me go there, gotta get it fixed, maybe next payday. ).There is also an info site here that is great.
http://www.californiaprolife.org/help/help.html

http://www.bethany.org/A55798/bethanyWWW.nsf/0/BCB0C74701A9A2D085256CE1006683F1?OpenDocument&category=California

http://www.montereycpc.com/our_services.htm

http://www.magicyellow.com/category/Pregnancy_Counseling_Svc_and_Information/-State_CA.html

reply from: galen

HMMM... so you just ignored my post huh?
well i tried.
and BTW she(you daughter) should be able to go to any OBGyN and get a second opinion covered by her insurance or if she is on Medicaid than through them.
IM me if you are REALLY interested in some other lowcost/no cost alternatives.
Mary

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So, why is this the cpc's fault? Sounds like your friend didn't try hard enough and didn't really care to begin with. The father has no choice in support no matter what he says.
Who the hell are you to judge??? You know barley anything about the situation. It isn't even any of your business.

reply from: galen

here are a few related links...
http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/allkinds/gradbaby.html
http://www.practicalparenting.co.uk/pregnancy/Can_I_afford_a_baby_article_87791.html
http://financialplan.about.com/cs/familyfinances/a/CanYouAffordKid.htm

mary

reply from: galen

and why is it any more your place Kay?
Mary

reply from: kayluvzchoice

What makes human life more important than other viable life?
Nothing makes my life more important than my dog's. Other species can live without us (and will most likely be better off), but we can't live without other species. We are not crazy or stupid for actually realizing nothing makes us more important than anything else. Most of you guys are so arrogant.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

galen
I am not trying to get into anyone's personal business. You are. What her friend did has nothing to do with you.

reply from: galen

he he he ... so far NONe of them have asked me for Any of the resources i can offer....
Oh well they just don't know me yet do they CP?
BTW for those who do not know... I am a pacificst/ nurse/ vegan/ volunteer catholic/ dogooder who puts my money where my mouth is....
I've also been homeless and pregnant and in a shelter and my first marrige was anulled by the Catholic Church due to severe abuse... so yeah i think I know of what i speak.
Notice how i get no response from those nay sayers out there.
Mary

reply from: galen

Actually it is my buisness if he/ she responds to my query. i actually am in a position to help someone in the discussions i enter into. As you are new around here let me have you referr to the above.
Another little tidbit... 3 women in the last few years that my centre has helped have come directly to us after reading posts from this forum.
i ask questions they can answer me privately or publicly or not at all.
Mary

reply from: galen

*stamps foot* YES I DID!
m

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I doubt that. If he was going to troll he'd come up with something much more brilliant. He trolled an anti-gay site last month posing as Larry Craig. He had every person on that site convinced it was him. If he was trolling here, you wouldn't know it. Besides, he's been watching a Law & Order SVU marathon for the last few hours.

reply from: lukesmom

I didn't post the sob story, Lolita did, so therefore made it everybodies business. My parents had a great saying when we were kids, "Don't take your news traveling". She took her news traveling so now she gets to reap the benefits.
And how does this concern YOU? I haven't seen any useful info about how to help pregnant mothers and their babys from you. Your only advise seems to be pushing abortion. Geez...

reply from: lukesmom

Where did that turnip truck go?! It never even occurred to me that this could be punkie boy!

reply from: jujujellybean

"So aside from all of that crap, i still am seriously wanting to know if there are people out there that are pro life that are sincerely doing things in their communities to actually help in their communities? I would like to think there are!"
Do you know how many times people ask me this? Us this? They think that we just care about unborn babies. Assumptions. You, and that means pro choicers as a whole, tend to make them a lot. What do I do for my community? Every year we sponsor a family that needs food, clothes, and toys because there is one mom, seven kids, and no dad or something like that. I always do that. For many years we sponsored a child in Columbia but recently we got a letter saying that he didn't need us anymore. I went on a mission trip last summer and painted someone's house who couldn't afford it. I plan on going again this summer. We constantly are donating money to places in Africa or even here in the US. I volunteer in my community all the time...so don't tell me I don't care about children. I love them. That is why I am pro life.

reply from: galen

I do find it interesting that i came up with 20-30 good links just by typing Taylor's question into google though.....
Mary

reply from: galen

yeah but it puts my pigtails in a curl...( i went green this weekBTW)
Well its been swell but I have to cook dinner so i can get to work tonight. I dispise doing rounds at midnight.... hope my students are up to the task.
Wish me and my tired old feet well.
Goodnight all
Mary

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I doubt that. If he was going to troll he'd come up with something much more brilliant. He trolled an anti-gay site last month posing as Larry Craig. He had every person on that site convinced it was him. If he was trolling here, you wouldn't know it. Besides, he's been watching a Law & Order SVU marathon for the last few hours.
Pretending you would not know if it was him, then bragging about your punk boyfriend "trolling" other sites does not help either of your credibility. Just so ya know, K?
Actually, he swears it's not him. He claims he's working on something, though. He says he's gonna get they guy who called him a punk.
And he was on my account, but you guys didn't bother to ask him anything. He'll get on now, if you want.

reply from: Taylor00

Galen, if you have something that can assist my daughter please let me know. I am not living on the computer, therefore was not arround for a few hours. Seriously I would like to know where she can go. Here is what I found a few minutes ago on another web search: http://www.valleypregnancycenter.org/ If anyone knows anything about them please let me know. I do not want to send her somewhere were she is going to be pressured into doing anything! She is looking for moral support/education etc. not pressure for other options outside of keeping the child.
Concerned Parent: You assume very incorrectly. I was going to break it down to you and show you the math, but I don't owe you that explanation and people would just accuse me of bragging, when all I was doing was answering a question that you asked directly to me. So believe whatever you would like, you don't know me, my history or my values and ethics anymore than I know yours. I would like to think that you come across more brutal than you are. Who knows. I came across aparently as angry and attacking in here, when I am frustrated and concerned for my daughter, and finding out the world has sat back and done little in way of social change (from what I can tell). But if you would like to call me Superman, go ahead, I was not superman, I was a father busting my butt to make a difference for my daughter's life and my own life.
Now you also ask me do I oppose those that are not out donating time and money for children that are already born. Personally I do believe in humanitarian actions, community efforts, social justice and yes I do believe we all could be part of social solutions for the born child. So I guess my answer is yes to that question.
Do I think attempting to protect their lives is a service? Not in the manner I often see this so called protection being done. But I suppose that is a age old debate. Not interested in going there, I have my view and I can feel quite sure it will not match yours. Neither of us are going to change, so it would be a mute point.
Yodavator Actually I do have the right and room to ask whatever I want, that is why this is called a public form... and you have the right to not answer my questions, believe my statements, whatever you would like to do.
As for my supporting restrictive laws who said I did that? I don't believe there should be a laws involving peoples rights. My personal stand is that everyone has to answer for what they choose to do, however the choice is theirs to be made and not mine to make for them. I support women in whatever they choose. But they are accountable, as am I for what I choose. I think that is FAR from placing morals on you it is allowing you the freedom of choice about as clearly as it can get.
To everyone else: I am not going to spend anymore time defending anything I say in here. I will lower my tone as much as I can considering we are on a forum and my tone cannot be heard. Nothing I said was ment to be insultive or personally attacking of anyone. I will give respect when I speak,, should I bother speaking, but I will ignore anymore accusations of being this or that, it is simply a waste of my time. The reason I responded this time is quite frankly because I can see how my words may have come across and I wanted to bring clarification to who I am and why I am here to begin with. If I find that this is not of any help, then I will quite simply move on. I do appreciate the web links being offered and will read through them. Right now I have to get back to some work and will read more later.
Taylor

reply from: 4given

It has become amusing somewhat to me. I truly was naive. I did not believe that anyone who comprehended such a horrific act (abortion) would defend it.. unless they had personal guilt in relation. It still disgusts me- the same argument, the justifications and ramblings- I know you, as well as others, have been engaged for far longer than I, and have an understanding that may be beyond what I can comprehend.. What to do w/ these random posters and their demands? Same argument, new name. Ignore? I value your input.

reply from: 4given

Hello!!!! She posted information (likely untue anyway). We went from that. She made it our business, by wasting our time with it. Just as you are doing. If you want to be shown any respect here, I trust you will use some sensibility about whom and what you attack. (or continue to make a fool of yourself..)

reply from: sheri

So your daughter wants a free ultrasound from the cpc yet she is opposed to hand outs... shes gonna be a hard one to please. We paid out of pocket for the first ultrasound i had but the dr and the hospital offered to help get us hooked up with gov. funds. There is nothing wrong with exepting help if its truly needed. tell your daughter to humble herself and someday she will be able to give back.
I dont know any prolifer who is not generous with there time and talent in their community,look at how busy galen is, but advocating for the babies should be good enough community service, what enriches the world more then a child?

reply from: galen

taylor look at your IM box.
mary

reply from: yoda

Is THAT what you meant by "serious room"? My, how you proaborts do love your euphemisms, don't you?
Ah, yet another euphemism....... "people's rights"? What does that mean, exactly? Let me guess... you think it means laws against everything BUT abortion are okie dokie and find and dandy with you, right? Because you think abortion is one of the "people's rights", eh? Wow.... what masters of euphemisms you all are....

reply from: Taylor00

Sheri,
She is not apposed to help, she does not want to take things that she does not need. And she is knew to this whole thing. I told her already to go get WIC, because she needs to have nutrients for the baby inside her body. And I explained that WIC is not welfare in the full sense. I talked to her tonight and she is going to go see a social worker for Medicaid, so I think she is beginning to realize that she does need to accept broad help with things. But I understand her confusion and concerns. She has always been very independent and prided herself as such. Yes I agree, she needs to set pride aside and do what is best for her and the baby, and talking to her this evening I think she is getting there.
The thing with the Ultra sound is she was very upset that IF she was going to abort the baby they would pay for the ultra sound, but because she was not going to they would not pay for it. I too find that rather discusting. Why is the concern only on the baby that is going to be aborted and not on the health concerns for a child that is going to be born into the world? I could not imagine the thinking behind that. Other than a fear factor being used to talk a woman out of aborting, but that is just telling me (From my take on this) that keeping a abortion from happening is really their only concern, or they would have funds to pay for ultra sounds.
the place in Dublin CA. that I am referring her to go will help with a lot of things according to their website. Including ultra sounds, so she may be good to go there.
Someone said something about googling this question and getting all sorts of hits. Well you may have but I sure did not. Not hits that pertain to woman that are not interested in abortion or adoption as alternatives! And also very limited in her area to begin with. I was suprised about this. To go to the place I am suggesting to her it is 18 miles away, and she is in the bay area of CA. I would have thought so much more would be available, and it is, if you are a teenager!
Galin I will check my IM in a little bit, everytime I start to write you all, I get a phone call and get side tracked.
I appreciate those of you sending me responses that may assist my daughter. I will also let you all know how things go. It was 23 yrs ago that I faced needs for an infant, and the world is a very different place, so what was then is not what is now. This is all new for me and new for her.
Thanks
Taylor

reply from: Hereforareason

Taylor,
Everyone should be helping those around them. Love others as yourself. But regardless of what other people are or are not doing, that doesn't make it right to kill a child. If you believe abortion is murder, how can you claim to be compassionate in all the work you do, if you leave it up to other people to decide to kill their child?
I certainly hope you would enforce your morals if you came across me in an alley being attacked.
Lotia, I am pretty sure there is another explanation for the story you gave, as Crisis Pregnancy Centers are there to help MOTHERS! Throughout the pregnancy. It wouldn't make sense to stop before the baby is born. However even if what you said was true, your friend could have found another CPC willing to help.
Amber

reply from: lukesmom

Tell her Medicaid is not welfare. Everyone, at one time or another, needs "hand up and not a hand out" and that is what Medicaid is. It is not a forever and is intended to ensure a healthy pregnancy, labor and birth for the mother and the child. Also a healthy start for the child. Even if a site is for teenagers in crisis pregnancies, calling and explaining the situation and asking for assistance finding resources won't hurt. Actually, I do this all the time to find resources. Usually people are pretty helpful. Also it doesn't take long for Medicaide to kick in once the paperwork is in and they used to backdate 3 months too. Good luck and God bless.

reply from: AshMarie88

I know many single parents who are doing just fine with the help they already receive.
What is your point?

reply from: Taylor00

Hi Lukesmom,
You know your have a good way of wording that. I totally agree it is a hand up and not a hand out. I will tell her that for sure. It may make her feel a little better about things. I never thought about her calling a teen place for info, I will suggest that, but am hoping this place in Dublin will really be all it says it is. If it is it is exactly the kind of support both her and her BF need. Poor guy is excited and scared all at once lol. Been there!
Hereforeareason:
I don't expect people to agree or even always understand my position on this issue and that is okay. But let me tell you a past event to see if you can at least understand where I am coming from (I am not asking you to agree just maybe understand what I am saying).
Back in the early 1990's I had a friend that found herself pregnant from a guy that had used her for nothing but sex. He walked and she found herself pregnant with a 3 yr old as a single mom who was partially paralyzed from an accident that had occurred several years before. She had made a real poor choice getting involved with this guy, but guys had pretty much passed her by because of her medical disability, so she was vunerable and did not use her head. She decided the only option was to have an abortion. I personally think it was a very selfish choice she made, but she was determined to do this.
She went to several female friends that would not assist her in a ride to the clinic. Then she came to me. She told me what was happening and I knew without a doubt that her mind was made up and I listened to her. Then I agreed to take her for the appointment.
I will never forget what it was like sitting in that waiting room looking around at these woman that were making this choice. And I remember thinking in my head what the hell am I doing in a place like this? It sickened me to no end. BUT I also realized that I could not stop her to begin with, and it was a choice that she was making that would most likely effect the rest of her life. It was VERY hard to just be supportive of her and keep my mouth shut. But that is what I did. Until 2 yrs later.
Two years later we were going out for dinner and in my car she says to me "Taylor I am so glad that your not against abortion, I can never tell you how much it meant that you supported me back then". I looked over at her and I replied " Don't ever confuse me with being pro abortion! All I did was give you the right to make your own choices and live with the consequences of them, this is between you and God".
Now that I am older and wiser I cannot say that I would take someone for an abortion. I would not in anyway participate, but I would not judge it, that is left for God to do. What happens with her and others that do this, well that is not for me to rush to say, I was trying to be a true friend to her, that is all.
I am sure that several of you will condem me for what I did. Please don't waste your time. I learned the hardest way of all. I sat in that waiting room and have never forgotten it. I am glad I was there for her in one since, but not in another.
I do believe in a womans right to choice, but i also believe that what they choose they must live with the consequences from. It is not for me to say what the consequences are, I am not God, and they may have a different belief than I do anyway. To me consequences of actions is mostly reflected on your heart intent when you take that action. That is my personal belief in it all.
Taylor

reply from: faithman

A mother who luvs her children enough to have and raise them, insted of killing them in the womb.

reply from: faithman

For your information, this is not a puplic forum, it is a pro-life forum, and you merely enjoy the generosity of Mark crutcher to post here as we all do. None of us have the "right" to post here. It is a privilage granted, and governed, by Life Dynamics.
...and so in your deluded world, a pro-death scanc has the right to violate a womb childs body if she chooses? There is no moral responcibilty for us to protect the helpless from monster killer moms? How pathetic!!

reply from: AshMarie88

You would feel a WHOLE lot differently if you knew someone who was very close to you that made that "choice" and they had to regret it for the rest of their lives.
You really have no idea what that's like. I'm sorry but you really don't.

reply from: faithman

You would feel a WHOLE lot differently if you knew someone who was very close to you that made that "choice" and they had to regret it for the rest of their lives.
You really have no idea what that's like. I'm sorry but you really don't.
The semantical mistake here is confusing "right" with oportunity. I have the oportunity to drive my car 100 mph, but it don't make it right. Women have the oportunity to kill womb children, but it don't make it right. Just as in the interest of puplic safty, we do not allow 100mph driving, we should not allow the oportunity for women to kill their children, born or preborn.

reply from: yoda

Hey, that's great, Taylor! Next time, if she wants to kill a few of her born kids, you can take her a gun and wait outside! And be sure you don't "condemn" her for killing them, that is left for "God to do", remember?
Ah, how sweet of you!!
Don't forget now, you are not "God", and those women and men who kill born kids MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT BELIEF THAN YOU!!
Live and let die, eh Taylor?

reply from: Taylor00

I cannot believe the ignorant responses that I keep getting. I will not bother responding anymore. Twisting words, condeming others, not my style and not my interest.
I am corresponding with one individual through IM and I hope she will contact me back, she knows who she is. For those of you that were helpful I thank you. For those of you that are suffering from your own issues, good luck to you. For those of you using hatered and condemnation, you should really consider the damage that your doing, mostly to yourself.
Taylor

reply from: Taylor00

I suppose it is a good thing that someone else from this site took the time to assist me through PM. And yes they did inform me of the problems going on in this site, and I can understand the frustration of it.
However let me suggest that you don't base your actions on your assumptions. It may cost you the opportunity to actual help someone in need. And yes you do risk the chance of wasting your time if someone is lying etc. But the worse risk from my way of thinking is the risk of not being there for someone who is in need because your so worried about wasting your time with someone who is decieving you. It can be a real headache I am fully aware of that, but to assume something and be assuming wrong (which is exactly what you have done here) is a awful thing to do if you could have been helpful instead.
That is also the effect those inappropriate attacks and responses have. People in need just leave, who wants to endure this madness when we have responsibilities in life and are looking to meet our family members needs?
I will not bother responding to the other comments you made in this last response, like I said I have had enough of that.
Taylor

reply from: QueenJ

It's really offensive and off-putting that someone like Taylor comes and shares his story of CHOOSING LIFE and the first response he gets from a PRO-LIFER is "we hear this crap all the time." Do you guys have no compassion or understanding for his situation or perspective? He asked a reasonable question and all he got back was a bombardment of insults. According to you, HE DID THE RIGHT THING, yet you treat him like crap because he dare questions your actions, motives, and thoughts. Just another example of the hypocrisy of the majority of pro-lifers on this board. Thanks for reinforcing that for me!

reply from: carolemarie

If your daughter wants information on pregnancy she can go to the county hospital. They have parenting classes and can tell her where to find one. Even in California they do this.
I don't understand what exactly she is looking for, does she need financial help? Or just emotional support? Does she want free medical care? MEdCal is the source for that she needs to apply and usually pregnant women go to the front of the line.
So what is she looking for? I will be happy to help you find what you need--email me
Congrats on the new baby!

reply from: Taylor00

Carol,
I have received ample info from one of your group members through IM. I appreciate your assistance too. She was looking for mostly emotional support, but she needs some medical support too. She is going to be getting MedCal, and she has the paperwork and is putting it in.
From what the member here told me, some of what my daughter was told is not accurate. I am currently waiting on a call back from my daughter to let her know what steps to take. Thankfully the helper here gave me very specific info and that is going to be very helpful.
Queen,
If it had not been for a very few individuals in here, I was starting to come to the exact same conclusion. But I personally refuse to define an entire group of people based on individuals actions within a group. I know people do and I was truthfully heading there, and had to put myself in check.
Taylor

reply from: carolemarie

I am glad she got help! And I am really sorry that she had such difficulty finding help. It is true that some Pregnancy Help Centers can be very unhelpful unless you claim you want an abortion, then they are willing do all kind of things for you. Thankfully that isn't the norm...
There is lots of help out there, and united way's first call for help has a list of agencies that are specific to the zip code you are in. Not all help for pregnant women is from prolife groups...the county has programs for free car seats and some counties have help with daycare tutition...

reply from: rosaryforlife

Taylor00-
I am staunchly pro-life from conception to natural death. I am Catholic. I pray, I am a Birthmother who decided to relinquish my rights as a parent myself when i was 17 years old. I have volunteered at Crisis Pregnancy Center's where I live when I have the time and donate money and resources (clothes, furniture, etc.) to those who need it. I know this debate all too well and there is nothing- Nothing that matters to me more. I agree that some who call themselves pro-life may not do as much as they can to help those who need it, but what have you done to help stop this atrocity? What can you give to those who need it now? It sounds like you have an incredible testimony of life to give to young people, especially men who might be facing fatherhood. Why not donate Your time instead of picking the brains of those who already Do do everything they can to help families and children?

reply from: Taylor00

Rosary
I have already been asked what "I do" and I got bashed with accusations of bragging when I responded, oh and not to mention I was even called "superman" totally rediculous.
What I will say in response to your question is to go back to the beginning of this thread and you will find that response.
I am glad to know your out there, and I admire what your doing. Thanks for being there. For me anything motivated by positive energy that matches a persons words with their actions is what this world needs! Glad to hear from you, seriously.
Taylor

reply from: jujujellybean

we do. We weren't responding on his choosing life, that's great. We were responding to the fact were he was saying how we didn't care and everything after the child is born.

reply from: Taylor00

Concernedp,
I would not expect much more out of your mouth. I never said anyone is accountable to me, but you all are accountable to yourselves, I get the distinct feeling you have no clue to what that is truly about. And I sure dont plan on explaining it.
I will conclude my posts at this time.

reply from: yoda

But I can believe your dodging, evading, pseudo-emotional support for the act of baby killing.

reply from: yoda

Here Taylor, (or your alter-ego Queenie), you forgot to make an evasive response to this one:
Hey, that's great, Taylor! Next time, if she wants to kill a few of her born kids, you can take her a gun and wait outside! And be sure you don't "condemn" her for killing them, that is left for "God to do", remember?
Ah, how sweet of you!!
Don't forget now, you are not "God", and those women and men who kill born kids MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT BELIEF THAN YOU!!
Live and let die, eh Taylor?

reply from: yoda

Ah, you poor baby! Are you feeling hurt that someone who pretends to be prolife (but isn't) was not received with open arms? Is that because you know that person is no more prolife than YOU?
What crocodile tears you must be shedding! What outrage you must feel that this imposted was questioned about his strongly proabort statements!! How dare we question anyone's proabort positions???
Yes, I'm sure you're just heart-broken that all of us did not buy into that crap, hook line and sinker!! So, since this impostor will not respond to direct questions about his pro-baby killing statements, why don't you take over his "job" here and respond for him?

reply from: faithman

Hey, that's great, Taylor! Next time, if she wants to kill a few of her born kids, you can take her a gun and wait outside! And be sure you don't "condemn" her for killing them, that is left for "God to do", remember?
Ah, how sweet of you!!
Don't forget now, you are not "God", and those women and men who kill born kids MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT BELIEF THAN YOU!!
Live and let die, eh Taylor?
HEY!!! does that mean that the pro-aborts have to quit condemning abortionist shooters? After all, who are they to judge?!!

reply from: yoda

Yep!
They may not support the killing of abortionists, but how can they support taking away the FREEDOM to CHOOSE to kill them???

reply from: isaiahmom5242007

I am a voluteer at a pregnancy crisis and the majority people we help there babies are already born we provide diapers clothes and finical things we turn no one away for those who are complaining how about you get out and hekp someone okay I am tired of all you always talking about what the pro lifers dont do what are you doing when is the last time you help someone I pray for all of us and hope when we meet God and have to anwser for selves that we can all say that we defeneded the weak and poor and those who needed it I love all people and you know what the unborn get a rare deal then are the most weak and yet we find that some people think they dont derserve to live I will chose some right to live over a woman 's right to chose anyday I am a woman I am a mother I am a daugther a friend a CHRISTIAN and I am pro life for all people born and unborn. God Bless

reply from: Banned Member

This is a sad thing... that a person views parenthood only as an obligation and not as a gift. I have not been fortunate yet to have children, and if I do, regardless of my financial standing, I will be grateful for them. I grew up very poor and know that there is a lot that can be gotten by without.
Is it anyones place to take care of your child when it is your right to raise your child and a gift to be able to do so?
Tell me Taylor00, have you ever loved and appreciated your child? I pray that you never experience the loss of a child as some have that I known. No burden that you have experienced as a parent would ever compare to that kind of loss. Nothing that you ever had to go without would ever compare to the loss of a child. And yet we in the place of those 4000 and more mothers that kill their own children every day we feel some of that loss that those mothers do not yet have to wisdom to recognize.
What have I done to enact change? I have proclaimed the virtues of abstinance and yet been laughed at at almost every turn. I have attempted to end abortion by speaking out when I can and have stopped one abortion that a young mother was considering after she had already had one abortion previously.
Young mothers that have become pregnant I think would not be so quick to dismiss future abstinance. But life is the first priority and many many mothers choose life and bravely raise their own children, love them beyond measure and do not complain as you have.
If your childs mother had not agreed with you do you know what you would have been able to do about it? Absolutely nothing. Mothers can and do abort, often without the fathers consent, or against his objections and she has every right under existing law. How would you feel if your child had been aborted? knowing that all your child is could have been legally killed and discarded as a piece of biological waste and that people fight every day to protect the right to murder children just such as yours?
Stop whining and give your child a nice long hug and tell them that you love them!

reply from: ProInformed

Did you contact any pro-life crisis pregnancy centers to ask for help?
More importantly did you contact any pro-'choice' clinics to ask for help?
(Because if they are supposedly pro-choice instead of pro-abortion, shouldn't they also be expected to help when the parent chooses to let their baby live instead of being killed by abortion?)
BTW, are you personally doing anything to help others?
http://www.feministsforlife.org/resources/index.htm

And yes, I personally have helped people with children. When I owned a daycare business I offered part-time child care to mothers who worked part-time jobs. (MOST daycare centers won't take part-timers or will charge them for full-time.) I've also done a lot of free babysitting for neighbors and organized free after-school activities for the neighborgood kids until their parents get home from work. I was a trained volunteer for a child abuse prevention hotline. Many of the pro-lifers I know have adopted children, and yes even special needs children, older children, and minority children. (I plan to upgrade my home so I can adopt children in the future.)
BTW, do you ask choicers these questions too? Again, if they are really pro-'choice' and not just pro-abortion, wouldn't they be expected to help parents/children too?

reply from: ProInformed

Lolita -
Your story is not credible. What was the name and location of the crisis pregnancy center you are accusing of doing this?
BTW, why didn't your friend receive any help from the 'pro-choice' clinic? If she wanted to choose to let her baby live then why didn't they help her with THAT choice? (Hmmmm.... because they aren't really pro-choice and their only interest in your friend was if she could buy an abortion from them.)
I have a pro-choice friend whose daughter went to a pro-life crisis pregnancy center and and my friend says they gave her daughter a LOT of help.
I was a pro-abort advocate for a decade,
then pro-informed/pro-choice, then pro-informed/undecided for about a year,
then pro-informed/pro-life for a couple of decades now.
By pro-informed I mean I have purposely tried to learn all I can about both sies and all aspects of abortion abortion. I've done public speaking on both sides of this issue. And I've never heard a story like yours before.
Either you are lying, or your friend lied to you, or this is a new pro-abort urban legend (aka lie).
As another poster already pointed out: If you can't afford prenatal vitamins social services will provide them for free. And hospitals provide carseats for newborns who don't have them.
I've heard some pretty lame excuses for abortion-on-demand but you really expect anyone to believe that a woman 'had to' have a lete-term abortion because she didn't get prenatal vitamins and a carseat from a CPC?
Why didn't YOU throw a baby shower for her? Sheesh!

reply from: yoda

Sadly, the proaborts around here run out of anything to say in terms of supporting the act of killing babies, so all they can come up with is to make idiotic attacks on people they don't know at all.

reply from: faithman

Sadly, the proaborts around here run out of anything to say in terms of supporting the act of killing babies, so all they can come up with is to make idiotic attacks on people they don't know at all.
...and make us an acompliss in their crimes with our tax money. Notice they never offer to personaly help anyone, but place that burden on the tax payer. I feel sorry for these useful idiot pons who don't even realize how they are being used by secular humanist, with a bent for world domination. These little empty headed girls, in an effort to show how smart they are, prove just how stupid, and cold hearted a human being can be.

reply from: lukesmom

And don't forget that they blame prolifers for not doing enough to help women and children. I have yet to see a proabort report how they volunteer or what they are doing to help women and children. Their only "help" is yelling "kill them" and running their mouths off critising prolifers who DO help.

reply from: faithman

And don't forget that they blame prolifers for not doing enough to help women and children. I have yet to see a proabort report how they volunteer or what they are doing to help women and children. Their only "help" is yelling "kill them" and running their mouths off critising prolifers who DO help.
large parts of my income have been spent feeding and housing homless folk, only to have our local pro-abort government shut me down out of vengance against me for my activities against their planned Parrenthood, and porno shop buddies. Margret Sanger was actually openly opposed to christian charity, and said the most compassionate thing a poor family could do for their children was to kill them. The spirit of ole margy hangs heavy on these little twits. Cruelty is compassion? go figure....

reply from: jujujellybean

Margret Sanger freaks me out. Did you know that one of her sole purposes for Planned Parenthood was to eliminate the black race, and that the majority of their building are in minority neighborhoods? Look at this
They don't care about the girl! If sex is always right, then why can you get diseases and heartache? Where did they post that? Where are they telling girls stuff that can happen to them if they do have sex? Nowhere. They don't care about girls which only leaves one alternative: money.

reply from: Banned Member

I was at a PP clinic a few weeks ago, to get a pregnancy test. I think its funny that if all they care about is money, why is it the only clinic I could find where I could afford a pregnancy test?
Besides that, you are obviously talking about things you know nothing about. I sat in an office there for a long time waiting until I had to go to the bathroom, a long time where all I did was read the literature on the walls. It was all directed at at teenagers, telling the girls to know themselves, not to have sex until their ready, telling them not to allow themselves to be coerced, telling the boys how important it is not to pressure girls into to doing things they don't want to do. Then there were flyer's that gave statistics on STD's, & other flyer's on how to report sexual abuse.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

^ Yeah, I've been to one before, and I have a friend who works at one. It's just like that. There's no pressure, or racism or pushing girls to have sex or anything.

reply from: Banned Member

Oh, & I almost forgot something else. In their waiting room, free to anyone who wanted them were condoms. People didn't even have to ask, they were just out on the counter, free to take. I don't think that would be very good for a business that supposedly just wants to get rich by giving girls abortions, giving away free contraceptives like that. In case you're confused, condoms prevent pregnancy, therefore preventing abortion.

reply from: galen

the reason your pregnancy test was free, or close to it, was so they could then tell you how much easier it would be for you to have a 300-500 abortion procedure, or cough up 250.00 ( cash or credit only please) for the abortion pill.
Why not go to the local health dept and get a free one... or OMG! do one yourself from the drugstore.... they are pretty accurate.
As for education for teens on STD's well ... any good internet site will have all the gory pics you could ever want on those.... why go to PP... waste your tax dollars killing your kids... or maybe your hard earned cash...why not just go to a place with less controversy instead... like a free clinic... where you have to pay... ( wait for it) ZERO>
Mary

reply from: faithman

Yah! The lowest quality condoms that have the highest failure rate.

reply from: yoda

Nah, she couldn't plug PP if she did that!!

reply from: galen

maybe PP is paying Her?
mary

reply from: sheri

pregnancy tests cost $1.00 at family dollar stores. come on why go to a place where they are giving you tests in one room and killing ababy in the next.
and PP gives free condoms away so when the 14 year old girl feels like she is ''ready'' to have sex with her 34 year old boyfriend she can feel as if she is perfectly "safe". the truth is the condom could easly fail and she could be pregnant or contract some nasty little bug. you dont tell children to wait untill their ready, imagine how that would work if you got your driver licence when you were "ready". You tell them wait for marriage or take the responcibility for your behavior.

reply from: faithman

So it is perfectly fine to show the bloody pornographic truth of abortion, but the moment anyone uses the same tactic to expose the truth of sexual perversion, they are the ones who run swiftly to censor. I have produced, and freely distributed some of the most non offensive, most effective material to be found, and yet I get crap from folk who would rub even young children's noses in bloody pornographic signage, and then condemn me for merely telling, not showing, the truth about perverted sexual conduct. Go figure...

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Yes, faithman. We all know the only moral sexual conduct is when you put on your assless burka and bend over so God can fill you with his holy rod of man meat and pump your white ass while you scream "I am not enjoying this!" over an over until you have an orgasm.
(if he can post the same stupid thing twenty times in three threads, so can I)

reply from: faithman

I guess thats better than being killed by a bull dyke because you let another bull dyke lick ya.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

So you admit it?
Faithman is having sex with God, everyone! He's God's bitch!
Do you enjoy it faithman? I know you have to pretend not to to preserve the sacredness of your holy buttsex, but you can tell me!

reply from: Banned Member

To be honest, I wish PP had more services, so the maybe I could get some prenatal care. I'm (estimating) that I'm 13 weeks along & I've yet to be able to see a doctor. I'm in the process of moving 7 states away, to live with my mother-in-law because her city has indigent care programs & she'll help me with finances. I'm lucky to have her. A lot of women aren't so lucky.

reply from: Banned Member

That's your opinion & you are perfectly able to raise your children as you see fit. But you have no hand in raising mine. My child will be well educated on sex & contraceptives & I will not insist s/he wait until marriage, only until they are ready, physically & emotionally. And when my child feels they are ready, they will not be afraid to come to me about birth control.

reply from: Banned Member

I have been in contact with them, they are called human services in my state. I was denied due to losing my ID, & am having a hell of a time getting a new one, or getting the old one replaced. And they couldn't or wouldn't help me out with any other agencies in my area, I asked. Who knows, this could be the fault of the uncaring caseworkers, but it is very discouraging.

reply from: faithman

there it is sheri. Now defend this phony pro-lifer again. He would have no prob sending a girl to planned parenthood for "services". WTF right? Just what does WTF mean?

reply from: yoda

Well, they do have hundreds of millions lying around........


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