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Retail has its cute moments.

by: AshMarie88

So I thought I'd post something positive this time. I only got back from work a couple hours ago but have the 3 cutest moments to share. I always have them but they were just deathly cute today.
Call me annoying but kids make my job worth it and more pro-life.
Cute kid #1: A dad and his 2 little daughters came to my register and I was ringing stuff up. I rung up the first little girl's and then I started on the second order. The other little girl decided she wanted to help me scan things so she was pushing the little things over on the scanner and laughing, having fun with it.
Cute kid #2: I had rung up a woman and her two little kids, if my memory is correct also two little girls, but one was older, about 5, and the other looked about 2. The woman got out her money and started counting what she had to give me and the 2 year old held out her hand and made little finger movements that she wanted her mom to give her the money. She got it from her mom and handed it to me, well put it on the table in front of me, and I couldn't help but smile and giggle.
Cute kid #3: A dad and his little boy, looked about 1 year old, were in my line and I had finished ringing them up and they were leaving. The little boy started waving bye to me with his cute little binky in his mouth and his little eyes.
How can anyone be pro-abortion????

reply from: faithman

Cold hearted killer comes to mind.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Not all kids are cute. They can cry and scream and talk back and all sorts of stuff.
Some people are childfree and don't want kids at all. Or maybe not every woman wants a child from the second she gets her period.
Either way, cuteness doesn't excuse using someone's body against their will. And fetuses aren't as cute as born children. Personally, I don't find them cute until they're at least a year old.

reply from: AshMarie88

We all know you don't have a heart Olivia, you don't have to rub it in.

reply from: lukesmom

Yah, look at you, a spoiled killer with no redeeming virtues at all. Hard to think you once were cute. You parents should be slapped for raising such a cold hearted and useless questionable human.

reply from: lukesmom

Ash, it is that innocence that makes life the joy it is! My 9 yr old just started playing basketball and before his first game he told me "Mom, every basket I make is special, just for you." How can anyone throw away such love and trust?

reply from: AshMarie88

That is awesome lukesmom! That brought a happy tear to my eye. I love when kids say stuff like that, they have hearts of gold.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I have redeeming virtues. I make chocolate pie to die for. And I love my parents very much.

Because they aren't ready for it. Or they already have enough.
I do have a heart, I just don't have a lot of love for he unborn. I love born people and animals just fine.

reply from: AshMarie88

Go ahead and believe your own disgusting selfish lies, you'll be punished soon enough.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I don't want to go to heaven anyway. All the fun people will be in hell.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Go away troll.
I'm not a troll. It's called a joke. I don't believe in heaven or hell anyway.

reply from: AshMarie88

People who come to forums to piss people off and make senseless posts about stupid things are called TROLLS.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

That wasn't my purpose. My purpose was ton debate. If you're pissed off, maybe you shouldn't be on the internet.

reply from: joe

You are a troll admit it.
State your purpose here.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

You are a troll admit it.
State your purpose here.
Sorry, I'm not. Have you guys ever seen pro-choicers before? We're not trolls. My boyfriend refused to believe people as backwards as some of the members here existed until I showed him this place.

reply from: joe

To value life is backward??? Thank God I am not enlightened.
Stop avoiding the question:
What is your purpose?

reply from: faithman

To value life is backward??? Thank God I am not enlightened.
Stop avoiding the question:
What is your purpose?
.....professing themselves to be wise, they have become fools....

reply from: yoda

That post gets the award for the biggest understatement of all times.

reply from: jujujellybean

Does that mean they shouldn't have rights until they are that old? And I'm sure the baby would ask for permission to use the person's body, if they had any say in the matter. Except, hmmmm....oh yah, it is conceived whether or not it likes to. Your fault. Not the babies.

reply from: jujujellybean

I don't want to go to heaven anyway. All the fun people will be in hell.
Yah, except that you will be burning. Fire, pain, and anguish for ETERNITY is all that is there. I will pray for you. You are going to make me cry!

reply from: jujujellybean

Ash, I love kids! They are so adorable! I don't see how you can refuse their love!
My grandma is around 79, and she is funny cause she's not your sweet, genteel grandmother. She cusses and is really nice but not all that touchy-feely. But when she holds a child, she becomes a pillow. SO SOFT!!!! It's so funny. She holds them up in the air and says, 'how do? how do?' smiling and laughing. They melt your heart! She had eight children and raised them all, and she still loves them and I know she would do anything for her 20 grandchildren.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I don't want to go to heaven anyway. All the fun people will be in hell.
Yah, except that you will be burning. Fire, pain, and anguish for ETERNITY is all that is there. I will pray for you. You are going to make me cry!
Again, don't really believe in hell. Even if there is one, I won't be burning much. Satan is an old friend.

reply from: yoda

Even if there isn't one now..... I'm sure they'll build a special one just for you.

reply from: xnavy

i work in child support and i have noticed the women want the kids and love them, unfortunately i have had experience with dads that
did not want to be dads. as soon as the dna test came back positive they ususally some of them asks the mother to sign a tpr
(terminate parental rights) so they don't have to pay child support.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, but sometimes it's just the other way around. Unfortunately, when it's that way, the Dad is just out of luck.

reply from: Banned Member

Shouldn't be. If a man doesn't want to be a parent, but the woman wants to keep the baby, he should be able to terminate all parental rights as well.

reply from: yoda

But if the situation is reversed.... she should "be able" to kill the baby? Where is the "fairness" in that?

reply from: Banned Member

If she doesn't want to be pregnant. Men never have to worry about that, whether or not they want to be pregnant. Men grunt for 2 minutes, then after that it's all on the woman until the baby is born. If a woman is willing to carry the child, then give custody to the father, great, but if she doesn't want to be pregnant, it's her body, her choice.

reply from: Banned Member

Right....If you hook up with a guy and the two of you decide to start a family, then after the baby is born, he says, "sorry, babe, I changed my mind. You're on your own," you'll be OK with that?
BTW, WTF do you mean "terminate parental rights?" We're talking about parental responsibilities, not parental rights... Your statement means like, he doesn't have to visit the kid if he doesn't want to. Does he still have to pay child support, even if he wants nothing to do with the kid?
A woman tells a man she is pregnant. He has until the baby is born to decide if he wants to be a father. In my opinion, he should only have a month or so to make the decision, same as the woman. Remember, I don't support late term abortions.
And, yes I am talking about all parental responsibility. Meaning that if a guy doesn't want to be a parent they shouldn't have to pay child support. However if they want any part in the child's life at all, they should pay child support.
Men have always had this choice, to be honest. There are plenty of men out there who do not pay child support for one reason or another. There always has been dead beat dads there will always be dead beat dads.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Well, it doesn't live in his body. If he could put it inside his body and carry it to term, then she wouldn't have the right to kill it. Besides, if he can force her to carry to term, why can't he force her to abort?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

The whole reason most pro-choicers are pro-choice is that we don't think the government should force anyone to do anything with their bodies. Why should a man get to do that either?
What are you talking about? There's no way to terminate a pregnancy without killing the unborn until much later than that. Yes, it would be inside her, and then it would be removed. Women don't get abortions to kill things, but to remove them from inside their bodies. If that can be done without killing it, then why shouldn't they?
I don't see it like that. It's the woman's body, the woman's uterus, and the woman's embryo. It is about the woman, because if abortion was illegal she would no longer have the right to control her own body. It's like going out and stealing peoples' kidneys and then saying "The subject of concern is the people who need these kidneys to live, not the people I'm stealing them from.".

reply from: AshMarie88

It's the baby's body, baby's life, baby's choice. Oh and the father's right!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

So the woman had no choice at all?

reply from: lukesmom

She has the choice NOT to get pregnant. Once she is pregnant she has the choice of raising this child or adoption.
Now I know I will hear the "that's not fair" whine but here are life's rules:
1. Life never has and never will be "fair" so get over it.
2. Every action has a consequence and the consequence of sex is often pregnancy
3. Responsibility is not always equal ie: by nature men cannot carry or bear children. Their loss really. Women CAN so therefore better be very aware of their actions and consequences. (See #2) This is not "fair" (see #1) so get over it.

reply from: yoda

But if the situation is reversed.... she should "be able" to kill the baby? Where is the "fairness" in that?
Wow.... what a "moral standard". The baby's life is of less concern that whether or not a woman "wants to remain pregnant".
That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? Have you ever worked as an executioner?

reply from: yoda

Ah..... so the "right to kill" is a natural result of the biological facts of human reproduction? All women are just born with it? Wow..... mother nature awarding women the right to kill innocent human beings... who'd have ever dreamed that?
But hey, as long as you have legal permission to kill babies, you don't really care about having the moral right, do you?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

1. Life isn't fair, but why should we make it even less fair? Women bleed for a week every month, women are the ones in labor when they have children, women have to breast feed when they have children. Why should we make them go through that for a child they don't even want?
2. So pregnancy is a consequence? "When a mommy and daddy sin against God, they are forced to give birth as a consequence. That's how babies are made."
3. I didn't choose to be born female, and I don't choose to accept the "consequences" of having a vagina.
I support bodily domain in all it's forms. I'm against rape, pro-legalized marijuana, and pro-legalized prostitution.
I would deny that choice simply because, from a legal point of view she has the right to her own body, and the right to prevent something from infringing upon that right. If the child is removed and isn't infringing upon that right, it has the right to live.
If she can't get an abortion, that's forced pregnancy, which does limit her right to control her body.
And pissing into the wind may not convince people of anything, but it sure makes the houses down the street smell bad.
No. If it was inside his body, she shouldn't be able to do anything until it's born.
Morality is subjective. I don't consider abortion immoral. I don't consider the unborn people, and I don't choosing myself and my future over them immoral.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

If I don't "drag you in" knowingly, I can still kick you out.
Yes. I had to finish my classes, and I couldn't take time off. Plus, it would've put a damper on my relationship.

reply from: AshMarie88

LOL... Really, I mean it, LOL.
Why do you really wanna call yourself weak?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Considering it wasn't his and he made it clear he knew it wasn't his... I doubt that.

reply from: faithman

Considering it wasn't his and he made it clear he knew it wasn't his... I doubt that.
SSSSOOOOOO simply because you are a slut, and don't know who daddy is, the baby has to die, so you can spread um for a punk who hates children?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Considering it wasn't his and he made it clear he knew it wasn't his... I doubt that.
SSSSOOOOOO simply because you are a slut, and don't know who daddy is, the baby has to die, so you can spread um for a punk who hates children?
First of all, I knew who the father was. Second, we're not punks, thank you very much. And my boyfriend doesn't hate children.

reply from: jujujellybean

Considering it wasn't his and he made it clear he knew it wasn't his... I doubt that.
SSSSOOOOOO simply because you are a slut, and don't know who daddy is, the baby has to die, so you can spread um for a punk who hates children?
First of all, I knew who the father was. Second, we're not punks, thank you very much. And my boyfriend doesn't hate children.
maybe, but that's hard to believe seeing as he wanted you to kill one. Someone who supports the killing of children, it would seem, wouldn't like them very much!

reply from: faithman

Considering it wasn't his and he made it clear he knew it wasn't his... I doubt that.
SSSSOOOOOO simply because you are a slut, and don't know who daddy is, the baby has to die, so you can spread um for a punk who hates children?
First of all, I knew who the father was. Second, we're not punks, thank you very much. And my boyfriend doesn't hate children.
maybe, but that's hard to believe seeing as he wanted you to kill one. Someone who supports the killing of children, it would seem, wouldn't like them very much!
...and you most assuredly are god hating child killing stupid little punks.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

He didn't force me or coerce me to do anything. I just knew that we wouldn't stay together if I aborted. It was my choice, and had we not been together I probably would've done the same thing. Hey, if he brought home some kid he had with another chick I'd probably split too.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

He didn't force me or coerce me to do anything. I just knew that we wouldn't stay together if I aborted. It was my choice, and had we not been together I probably would've done the same thing. Hey, if he brought home some kid he had with another chick I'd probably split too.
Your attempts to excuse his "influence" on you would just accelerate his ass whipping to a level 2...
His "influence" was very minimal. Again, I'd have done the same if I'd never even met him. And if my dad harmed my boyfriend, let's just say I wouldn't visit him in prison.

reply from: Banned Member

Wow.... what a "moral standard". The baby's life is of less concern that whether or not a woman "wants to remain pregnant".
That pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? Have you ever worked as an executioner?
Sorry to break it to you, but your morals are not universal. I don't think there is anything wrong with terminating a pregnancy. I don't consider unborn babies to be on the same level as born humans. Never will. I think it is fine to have an abortion to protect your way of life. After all that is one of the many reason people out there support war, right? Why is it ok for a nation to do it but morally reprehensible for a woman to do it?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

It was significant enough for you to bring it up, and the fact that you would refuse to visit me in jail would not be enough to save your punk assed boyfriend... This is one time when I agree with Fboy. Any guy who would attempt to influence a woman to kill her child is a punk. Your boyfriend is no man...He's a selfish little boy.
I said that it would harm my relationship, which it would! He didn't influence me into anything. You 'lifers seem to think every abortion is really the fault of some evil man who forces the woman to do it. That's not true. I would've done the same thing had he not even existed. Most women get abortions because they choose to, not because some "evil" man makes them. Just because a man doesn't try to force a woman to have a baby and supports her decision doesn't make him evil and it doesn't mean he's forcing her to do anything. He didn't influence me. He's not punk. Punk is a style. He's really more of a prep.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

He's standing right behind me. He's laughing because you called him a punk.

reply from: faithman

He may as well laugh. That's about all he's going to do. He thinks being a punk is funny? I think it's sad. He needs to grow up. I dare him to come on here and attempt to defend himself. Standing behind you laughing rather than posting a response just further proves my point. He's a punk, and apparently a nutless one at that...
Gosh! we actually agree for a change. Only a gutless cowardly punk would make a woman kill a child insted of being a real man and father to the child of the one he claims to love. Such a one is no man at all.

reply from: faithman

So the little punk boy hides behind a girls skirt, and laughs at the fact that he helped make her a murderer. What a wedding gift? Sleeze buckets like that are beyond words.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

i hope that you don't really think of pro-choicers as being pro-abortion. personally, i would never have an abortion, and i know a lot of pro-choice women who feel the same way. we have simply accepted the reality that criminalizing abortion would not end it, and that keeping abortion legal means that the women themselves are not subjected to danger (underground abortions are dangerous! think coat hangers) and are able to get education and counciling both before and after the procedure.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

hi lolita.
ignore them.
keep fighting the good fight... you are not alone

reply from: AshMarie88

Pro-choice means pro-abortion.
YODA??

reply from: AshMarie88

Icecream, why wouldn't you personally have an abortion? What's the big deal if you had one or not?

reply from: icecreamsocialist

Ashley, you can call me Rose.
I wouldn't personally have an abortion because I know plenty of gay couples who are looking to adopt, and if I were to become pregnant I would choose to allow one of those couples to adopt the child.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

I don't agree with that. I think that "pro-abortion" implies the opinion that abortion is a good solution to unwanted pregnancy and that all pregnancies should be aborted. I can't name a single person who agrees with that mindset, although I know lots of people who label themselves as pro-choice.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

He may as well laugh. That's about all he's going to do. He thinks being a punk is funny? I think it's sad. He needs to grow up. I dare him to come on here and attempt to defend himself. Standing behind you laughing rather than posting a response just further proves my point. He's a punk, and apparently a nutless one at that...
Really? I mean, I'm new here, but I assumed that since this board is comprised of ADULTS there wouldn't be any name-calling.
You're labeling someone in an attempt to write their opinions off. Dosen't that seem a little childish to you?

reply from: AshMarie88

Are you pro-parenting?
Pro-adoption?
Then why not pro-abortion?
If you're pro-"CHOICE" and abortion is a "CHOICE", and you're pro-the other 2 choices, why aren't you pro-ABORTION? Aren't you in favor of abortion? That is what pro-abortion means, in favor of abortion!

reply from: 4given

You are a PRO-ABORT! Coat hanger abortions? You have got to be kidding me! For decades prior to the legalization of abortion, "doctors" were performing them in medical facilities, not back alleys. Abortions would still be done with medical equipment, not "coat hangers", if made illegal. Women still die from legal abortions in America. Why legalize the procedures to kill an innocent being, so the killing process is less hazardous?

reply from: 4given

The good fight? I am still waiting on that! Were you implying that time spent discussing the ways one can justify the end of another beings life is a "good fight"? You did read through her posts, right? She must make you proud.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

Are you pro-parenting?
Pro-adoption?
Then why not pro-abortion?
If you're pro-"CHOICE" and abortion is a "CHOICE", and you're pro-the other 2 choices, why aren't you pro-ABORTION? Aren't you in favor of abortion? That is what pro-abortion means, in favor of abortion!
That's actually a really interesting way of looking at the terminology- I've never thought about it like that before. I suppose that you could call me "Pro-abortion-when-the-woman-decides-that-abortion-is-the-right-path-for-her-during-the-first-trimester."
Better?

reply from: icecreamsocialist

4Given, think about what you just said. "For decades prior to the legalization of abortion, "doctors" were performing them in medical facilities..."
Abortions have been and will be performed, whether or not abortion is criminalized.
Abortion was legalized because thousands and thousands of women were dieing from attempting to do the procedure themselves at home, illegally. Don't kid yourself- when a safe abortion is not available, women WILL turn to less safe methods. It is very, very, very rare for a woman to die because of an abortion- more women die during childbirth than abortion, in fact.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

The good fight? I am still waiting on that! Were you implying that time spent discussing the ways one can justify the end of another beings life is a "good fight"? You did read through her posts, right? She must make you proud.
"The good fight" meaning the fight to protect a women's ownership of her own body.
I have read her posts. She does make me proud.

reply from: 4given

Okay.. so the comparing the killing of an unborn child, in comparison to swatting flies, puppies and kittens.. Okay. That is all I need to know about you! Don't waste time here.. unless of course you are another version of her! Wait, we have had enough of her. Some serious posters please! Not another round w/ Lowlifelita or her "friend" Rose.

reply from: lukesmom

"Ownership of her own body" unless she is still in the womb were she has no rights at all and can count herself another future woman, killed by her mother.
Lowlita is an inexperienced little girl who needs time to grow up; just like the unborn.

reply from: 4given

Originally posted by: lukesmom
"Ownership of her own body" unless she is still in the womb were she has no rights at all and can count herself another future woman, killed by her mother.
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Exactly!

reply from: icecreamsocialist

"Ownership of her own body" unless she is still in the womb were she has no rights at all and can count herself another future woman, killed by her mother.
Lowlita is an inexperienced little girl who needs time to grow up; just like the unborn.
Women and embryos are not the same. Embryos are not viable, nor are they sentient. They have no thoughts or memories. Women, on the other hand, can think, feel, and remember.
So Lolita is like the unborn, yet through your snide comments you hope to stop her from posting on here? Interesting comparison you've got there.

reply from: lukesmom

Hmmm, I can see you in Germany watching the Jews being sent to the gas chambers or falling into ditches after being executed and you are saying, "I am not pro genecide and personally, I would never kill anyone but hey, who am I to tell you not to kill Jews. I have simply accepted the reality that criminalizing the genocide of Jews would not end it." Get the picture. You are guilty by association so yes, whether you want to admit it or not, YOU ARE proabortion and so are all your little misguided friends who are "prochoice".

reply from: icecreamsocialist

Okay.. so the comparing the killing of an unborn child, in comparison to swatting flies, puppies and kittens.. Okay. That is all I need to know about you! Don't waste time here.. unless of course you are another version of her! Wait, we have had enough of her. Some serious posters please! Not another round w/ Lowlifelita or her "friend" Rose.
Be nice.

reply from: 4given

I don't think we have heard this one before...
No, silly! Sue- She will resurrect as a new poster!

reply from: lukesmom

Time to read your science books, an embryo is just a little woman. You were once an embryo. Aren't you a woman?
I never said Lowlita couldn't post here. She can post all she wants, she just doesn't have much to say that she hasn't said over and over and over and over again. It wasn't great the first time either, but if posting here flips her skirt, fine. Ignore is a wonderful option.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

Okay, Lukesmom. As a Jew with living, breathing relatives who DIED in the holocaust, I take offense to that. Abortion is not genocide. Genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group of PEOPLE. The people killed in the holocaust could feel, think, love, and had relationships with other people. Most importantly, they were aware of their own existences. Surely you're not attempting to compare my great aunts, uncles, and grandparents, who felt the pain of the gas chambers that they were imprisoned in and left behind my sorrowful grandparents with a cluster of cells?
Hmmm, I can see you in Germany watching the Jews being sent to the gas chambers or falling into ditches after being executed and you are saying, "I am not pro genecide and personally, I would never kill anyone but hey, who am I to tell you not to kill Jews. I have simply accepted the reality that criminalizing the genocide of Jews would not end it." Get the picture. You are guilty by association so yes, whether you want to admit it or not, YOU ARE proabortion and so are all your little misguided friends who are "prochoice".

reply from: 4given

I will try.. Be truthful. Be sincere. Be open.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

Time to read your science books, an embryo is just a little woman. You were once an embryo. Aren't you a woman?
I never said Lowlita couldn't post here. She can post all she wants, she just doesn't have much to say that she hasn't said over and over and over and over again. It wasn't great the first time either, but if posting here flips her skirt, fine. Ignore is a wonderful option.
Embryos are genderless.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

I will try.. Be truthful. Be sincere. Be open.
Have I given you any reason to believe that I'm not?

reply from: lukesmom

And as a MOTHER of 2 beautiful angels I take offense to the continued references of "a clump of cells". My children where loved, had relationships and lived until they died and thank God, I never subjected them to the pain of being torn apart as was recommended for one of them. What do you think geocide is??? By your very definition you define abortion! ABORTION is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group of UNBORN PEOPLE. And YES, what do you think the human body is made up of if not cells???

reply from: lukesmom

And the ones who aren't killed by their mothers have a gender.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

And as a MOTHER of 2 beautiful angels I take offense to the continued references of "a clump of cells". My children where loved, had relationships and lived until they died and thank God, I never subjected them to the pain of being torn apart as was recommended for one of them. What do you think geocide is??? By your very definition you define abortion! ABORTION is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group of UNBORN PEOPLE. And YES, what do you think the human body is made up of if not cells???
It sounds like there's a back story here that I'm not getting. Are both of your children still alive?

reply from: AshMarie88

Um... You are aware that gender is determined right at conception, right? It's either a boy or girl, it doesn't turn into a boy or girl as it ages! It's already a boy or girl! It has its XY or XX gene pattern already! It's entire life structure is planned in its DNA created right as the sperm meets the egg!

reply from: lukesmom

I have 4 living children and 2 angels. The first left us at 12 weeks gestation. For an unwanted "clump of cells" it was a very painful, physically and emotionally, experience. Our youngest child was diagnosed at 16 weeks with a terminal condition. He was born at 36 weeks and after 36 weeks inside the womb and 45 min outside, he died in his daddy's arms. He was the child the MDs wanted to "terminate". He was the pregnancy I didn't want and 4 years later the child I ache for.

reply from: icecreamsocialist

That's awful, I'm so sorry to hear that. I understand completely how painful those experiences must have been for you. However, the fact that your children were wanted does not mean that every woman should have to carry out an unwanted pregnancy. As heart wrenching as losing your two children, (what were their names?) that's how heart wrenching it would be for a woman to be forced to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.
I know that the term "cluster of cells" sounds really cold and heartless. And you're right- essentially, we are all just clusters of cells. But the term is used to illustrate the fact that embryos do not feel or think, a point which I've made several times and which you have yet to respond to.

reply from: galen

I have to agree with most of the others posts Rose... your science is flawed.
Remember that the first sensation we are able to percieve is pain.( probably 7 weeks possibly earlier) We evolved that way because it is in the best intrest of any organism to be able to percieve if something is wrong and be able to try and correct the problem or remove itself from it. following this statement ... does your thinking mean that because the embryo/ fetus/ baby cannot run from danger ( think scalple or currett or suction tube or scissors) that its ok to kill it? If an innocent man on the street has cement shoes on ... does it make it ok to hack him up with a knife?
back to the topic... i loved the stories... it amazes me the wonder and trust that a child will put in the world.
Mary

reply from: lukesmom

I am sorry I couldn't continue this last night but it was late and had to get up early this AM. Anyway, Who said all my kids were "wanted" and why do you prochoicers or proaborts think that every pregnancy of prolifers are wanted? I found out I was pregnant with my 4th, my kids were 4, 2 and 9 months. We also had no insurance. Wanted? LOL! Dear God, we are all human! But, I was already pregnant with a living being and it was too late for what I wanted. My last pregnancy, my youngest was 4 and I was finally back to work. I HATED being a stay at home mom and financially we were struggling hugely. I actually had "free time"! When I saw that + line, I cried buckets and buckets. I have no stats but I bet more than half the pregnancies of this world are not "wanted". As the way with most mothers, at least prolife mothers, both dh and I eventually not only got used to the idea of another child but excited too only to be told he would not live. We were given the options and I DID consider termination until I really understood what that pc term ment. NO WAY! I did not continue my childs life to a natural death because of my religion or because of any political agenda or because I am prolife. I carried him to his natural death because I am his mother and he is my son. I am prolife because I am a mother and that is what mothers do. Period.
Now as awful as the above all sounds, it actually wasn't and every mother who has carried her dying child to term will tell you they don't regret doing it and actually found more joy than sorrow in the journey. I have spoken to hundreds of women regarding this and not one has any regrets, vs the hundreds that I have spoken to that "terminated" and hugely regret and only remember sorrow.
How do you know embryos don't think or feel. Do you have absolute scientific or otherwise proof of this? Until you do, I am not willing to assume this. Embryos are developing people, same as newborns are developing people and deserve the basic right of life we all enjoy. Would you kill an infant because he/she isn't as developed as a child or a child because he/she isn't as developed as a teenager, etc, etc? Of course you wouldn't.
Why wouldn't it be ok for your child to die as you say you personally wouldn't have an abortion but it is ok for other unborn children to die, just because the mother is inconvienenced? Why is your child more deserving?

reply from: yoda

EVEN IF that were true, baby killer, SO WHAT????
YOU still kill a baby every time you do or support an abortion, and it's particular stage of development is totally irrelevant to the fact that you've killed an INNOCENT HUMAN BEING.

reply from: yoda

Oh yes, CP! Just think of the heartbreak of a poor mother who desperately wants to kill her baby, but knows it's against the law! How frustrating it would be for her!!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Yeah, if I ever gave a child up for adoption, it would be to a gay couple. I know how hard it is for them to adopt in America. So many "Christian" adoption agencies would rather send a kid to foster care than a loving home.
Thanks, Rose! Need all the help I can get. There are so many of them, they post so fast and they yell at me and Vexing every time we miss one of their posts. I'm amazed they have time to be on here as much as they are.
You mean the woman who's forced to give birth against her will?

reply from: AshMarie88

Are the new pro-aborts the same people or are they recruiting more of their stupid buddies??

reply from: lukesmom

Does it matter? They all seem to be dromes spouting the same mindless drival that was programmed into them.

reply from: lukesmom

I case you didn't notice, this is a prolife board. If you can't keep up feel free to leave. Otherwise quitcherbitchen.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I think it might have to do with some of us posting about this place on all our favorite pro-choice hang-outs. I know it's been posted on pro-choice groups on Gaiaonline and Myspace, as well as a few independent pro-choice forums.

reply from: Skippy

I case you didn't notice, this is a prolife board.
Really? Then someone needs to remove that "where you can interact with people from all over the world on both sides of the issue" blurb from the site's main page.

reply from: lukesmom

I case you didn't notice, this is a prolife board.
Really? Then someone needs to remove that "where you can interact with people from all over the world on both sides of the issue" blurb from the site's main page.
Doesn't need to be removed but obviously some of the proaborts need reminding that this is a prolife board. Anyone can post but complaining about so many prolifers posting here is like us complaining on a proabort board about too many proaborts posting. Understand now?

reply from: Skippy

Doesn't need to be removed but obviously some of the proaborts need reminding that this is a prolife board. Anyone can post but complaining about so many prolifers posting here is like us complaining on a proabort board about too many proaborts posting. Understand now?
Nope, I sure don't. If anyone can post, and indeed both sides are encouraged to by the main page of the site, then it is only a pro-life board in the sense that its owner is pro-life.

reply from: galen

oh God i can't believe i'm gonna do this but.*holdsbreath*..... skippy is right.... i went back and re read the homepage statement* blows out air*
Mary

reply from: lukesmom

EXCEPT, I would think, most would understand the site's prolife stance when they read the huge lettering of the name of the site, ProLife America.com

reply from: galen

yeah i see where your coming from... However I really do like the encouragement to the other side to come here and debate..
i even rather like skippy. i do not agree with his/her veiws mind you... but at least skippy is consciece and usually well thought out when she makes a statement... unlike a few other people who have not bothered to respond to my last post.(they know who they are.)
Mary

reply from: lukesmom

I hear you and understand. I do get annoyed when certain posters come here and then complain about the board. It is good to have you here. You are a wonderful voice of reason!

reply from: galen

why thank you... i try to be.
i noticed that a certain someone left us just in the last few minutes too.... think I was too harsh?
Mary

reply from: faithman

....as long as babies die, we are never harsh enough.

reply from: galen

true... verbally anyway.
mary

reply from: faithman

We can only go as far as conscience allows.

reply from: galen

HMMMMM... well i guess mine checked out for the day... but some people really do ask for it.
mary
gonna go back to sleep for a bit.... have fun and all that.

reply from: yoda

I guess you didn't see Mark Crutcher's statement about this forum... he stated that it is for prolifers to inform each other, and that the proaborts were allowed to post here only for "our entertainment". And it's HIS forum.

reply from: galen

Nope sorry missed that where is it found?
mary

reply from: thecoldensues

I don't know. I can understand someone being pro-CHOICE, but pro-abortion just baffles me.

reply from: galen

Believe us... the name is appropriate for some on this board.
Mary

reply from: Skippy

I would be quite interested in seeing that "statement about this forum" myself. If it is so, then the whole "It's where your voice can be heard and..." "both sides" and so on spiel on the main page of the site is grossly dishonest.

reply from: bluebrunette

It's pro-choice.
Yes kids are nice and cute and whatever.
Doesn't have much to do with abortion.
Might as well feel morally opposed to people not having unprotected sex 24/7. Poor potential people that never existed!

reply from: ChromeEyes

I didn't find any of those situations extremely cute. Don't assume things of me though, I like kids and those were sweet stories, but none of those situations really "moved me." Just my opinion though.

reply from: 4given

Just like any justification you might bring to the table over how elective abortion should remain readily available to any woman at any time... Whatever argument, lie or distraction you wandered over here with, rest assured, no one here will be "moved" in any way. Except to disgust and maybe also pity. I hope you are educated on the issue. If not sincere, stop trolling!

reply from: ChromeEyes

A reason I came here is to see more views from the pro-life side. I am educated on the matter and also came here for some light debating and such cause I don't have much time on my hands to sit in front of a computer all day and debate.
You're rudeness, however, was uncalled for. If I was to address someone new to a site I would do it respectfully. This is a place for debate, correct? Not insulting and jumping down people's throats for simply stating an opinion, correct? I respect people and there opinions and I expect myself and my opinions to be respected, and don't pity me.

reply from: Skippy

Is anyone going to link to the "statement about this forum"?

reply from: AshMarie88

We are always verbally harsh.
Verbally harsh = telling people the HARD truth.

reply from: galen

who me???
i don't remember...ooooh wait its coming back something about the cats eyeballs..... nah lost it.
Mary

reply from: 4given

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=3342&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=1

reply from: galen

mc3? is that him???
mary

reply from: galen

cool i never knew that!
mary

reply from: faithman

No, that is not correct. We think pro-aborts look better with feet up to the knee cramed down the throat, and some find it great sport to think up new insults . Bortheads deserve no respect at all. You lost all that by killing babies.

reply from: faithman

Mark is mc3. a fellow Ft Worth dude, and a lot of fun to talk to.

reply from: ChromeEyes

No, that is not correct. We think pro-aborts look better with feet up to the knee cramed down the throat, and some find it great sport to think up new insults . Bortheads deserve no respect at all. You lost all that by killing babies.
Its funny how you say "that is not correct" when there is no certain right or wrong to anything I said.
I pity the lack of respect you have. Your futile words don't bother me cause your lack of maturity is more humorous than threatening. I still have respect for you (no matter how much you may lack respect for me) and other pro-life people.

reply from: ChromeEyes

How grand your attempt was to put me down....
I could say the same thing about everyone on this site considering it is called pro-life America, but the thing is I don't know everyone on this site and that would be generalizing, a very childish thing to do.
I'm quite sure there are many of you who have done lots of unbiased research as I have done. So don't assume things of me.

reply from: ChromeEyes

A reason I came here is to see more views from the pro-life side. I am educated on the matter and also came here for some light debating and such cause I don't have much time on my hands to sit in front of a computer all day and debate.
You're rudeness, however, was uncalled for. If I was to address someone new to a site I would do it respectfully. This is a place for debate, correct? Not insulting and jumping down people's throats for simply stating an opinion, correct? I respect people and there opinions and I expect myself and my opinions to be respected, and don't pity me.

reply from: 4given

Why the repost? Is that not the same post from last night?

reply from: 4given

Anyway.. Chrome.. refer to your original post. You were being rude to someone I respect. You can not expect to be greeted w/ anything other than the hand you extend.. nevermind your "it is not a child in an abortion.." nonsense. It is getting old. IMO anyway. Educate yourself about abortion. Please.

reply from: yoda

The one thing that seems to work on the search function is when you search by author. Searching by words just doesn't work.
There are actually two posts from MC3 that relate to that, here you go:
1. "For these reasons, I did not create this forum to win anyone over but as a vehicle for pro-lifers to communicate with each other, share ideas, and stay informed. I trust that explanation will help you understand why we don't have pro-aborts as moderators.
With that established, you need to be aware that you are allowed on this forum only to serve as foils for our amusement and exercise to keep our skills sharp. If that arrangement is satisfactory, stay. If not, I'll repeat what I have said to others before. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out." (page 2 of "PLEASE POST PROCHOICE FORUMS HERE)
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/...MVIEWTMP=Linear
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AND:
2. "Let me restate one more time that people like you are allowed on this forum only to serve as foils for our amusement and exercise to keep our skills sharp. So if you're looking for some sort of "Oprah Moment" or for a bunch of naïve dunces to sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya with you, keep looking. Our only interest is in stopping you and doing so as quickly as possible. We understand that for every day we shorten this holocaust, we save over 3000 babies from those goons at the death camps. " (Page 1 of "If you want people to even consider changing their opinions.... ")
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=3342&messageid=71460

reply from: yoda

I don't know. I can understand someone being pro-CHOICE, but pro-abortion just baffles me.
That's because you refuse to see the plain truth when it's right in front of you in black and white:
pro-a·bor·tion adjective - favoring legal access to abortion: in favor of open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736813

reply from: yoda

Perhaps it's because they "never existed" that your made up term is not found in any dictionary?

reply from: yoda

Well and truly stated, Ashley!


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