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Abortion and the bible

by: donnajohnston

Tell me where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is murder? and don't give me The Ten Commandments cause its not valid.

reply from: karen

Why do you care? You state in your signature that you are an atheist, so even if the bible is littered with prolife quotes they would make no difference to you.

reply from: donnajohnston

Because i am sick of pro lifers ranting about abortion being murder and always bringing religion into it.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Exodus 21:22-25 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
I would contend that a "child" is a "life" and that this verse says the death penalty is appropriate for anyone taking another life.

reply from: donnajohnston

That isn't abortion. if a man strikes a woman by accident and the baby dies, its isn't abortion, its miscarriage. that isn't murder.

reply from: NFimo

We found this site because we were looking up 4D ultrasound pictures. This is the first forum/blog I have ever entered and probably the last. First let me start by sayingI have been pro-choice since I was old enough to understand what abortion is. I was never for abortion, but rather for the woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her own body. I have been married for 11 years and we have been trying to get pregnant for 8 of those years still believing in the womans right to choose.
And then it happened... we got pregnant. We saw the heartbeat at 6 weeks. Let me say that again .... 6 WEEKS. That little life already was establishing itself. We went online and looked at the developement of every stage. Every week that passed more and more body parts formed. At the end of 12 to 14 weeks that baby was complete from head to toe, fingerprints and all.
What I learned from this experiance is that if you truly are not educated on this topic you will never understand the true value of the life of a fetus. Now I am not demeaning anyones position. If you find women who have carried a baby full term and gave birth , I quarantee the majority will be Pro-Life, even if they were Pro-Choice before.
It was easy for me to believe in the womans right to choose not really understanding what that choice was.
As far as forcing someone to be pregnant I don't believe you can make that statement. If you play with fire ... you can get burned (with exceptions such as rape, etc.). Back in time people didn't have the knowledge we have now. They didn't have all the birth control options that we have today.
Even though I believe in a higher power, I believe you can't ignore science. Everyones beliefs are different, thats what make us all unique but life is life, and it has been proven that a fetus is the first stage of life, among all the other stages before death.

reply from: donnajohnston

i honestly understand where your coming from, but you didn't anwser my question. having kids probably wouldn't change my opinion on abortion.

reply from: NFimo

I understand where you are in your opinion because thats where we were. I would be interested in hearing your position when and if you parent in the future, when you see and feel your unborn child in your womb.
In my family we all have opposing positions on many topics and openly discuss those positions politically and religously. Thats what keeps your mind open.
about ten years ago I had a conversation about my abortion stance with my mother and she understood how I felt and what I believed. She also stated to me what I just stated to you above. That until you experiance you never quite understand it (which goes for alot of things in life). Ten years later I understand her.
Thank you for your time .... I will probably not be back here. Too many things to do ... not enough time. Take care.

reply from: jujujellybean

this is stupid. You want me to explain that something in the bible says abortion is wrong yet you are an atheist and you will bash anything I say. That is just plain rude, so no comment!

reply from: donnajohnston

No I am not bashing you, i am just asking you to give me some proof that the bible says abortion is murder since that is what i seem to get that christians belive, there is a difference between a miscarriage and purposly aborting the fetus.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Perhaps the only reason you aren't giving her a verse is because you don't know one?
And you also bash everything we say. Also rude.

reply from: jujujellybean

No. She is doing this thing out of spite you can tell. I am seriously trying to learn about things. And no where in the bible does it say abortion is wrong. ABORTION WASN'T AROUND THEN, SO HOW COULD IT BE?

reply from: sheri

have you ever heard of the idol moloch? The Isralites fell in with a bad crowd and
sacrificed their children to this devil. God condemned this horrid practice through the prophets.
Also remember "though shalt not kill"?
Further more the contraceptive sin of onan (coitus interuptus) was punished by God with death.

reply from: donnajohnston

these are children that are already born. therefore that isn't abortion

reply from: donnajohnston

i am starting to think thats the reason

reply from: AshMarie88

It's not a baby, remember? It's just a dead parasite.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

::::ABORTION WASN'T AROUND THEN, SO HOW COULD IT BE? ::::
Abortion has been around forever.

reply from: sheri

God views people in the same way we should.
He values them just as much at conception as He does 20 years from then.

reply from: yoda

It certainly changed mine. Nothing about human life seemed the same to me after I became a father. And that's impossible to explain to someone who isn't a parent.

reply from: karen

I do not need the Bible to tell me that paedophilia is wrong, or that rape and theft are wrong. I have long felt that some people are unable to distinguish between legal and moral. You obviously cannot look past the legal status of abortion to see how morally bankrupt it is.

reply from: 4given

I agree. It is called a conscience, God fearing, loving or believing.. makes no difference. As I have stated before, ask a child. They will say it is wrong to kill a baby for any reason.

reply from: Hereforareason

"Tell me where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is murder? and don't give me The Ten Commandments cause its not valid."
Why is it not valid? Are you going to accept anything from the bible as valid?
"That isn't abortion. if a man strikes a woman by accident and the baby dies, its isn't abortion, its miscarriage. that isn't murder."
Miscarriage is called spontaneous abortion. In the illustration given, a baby was killed by someone, it was not a natural miscarriage.
Listen to the heart of what is being said. A baby was killed, the person responsible for it is to be punished.
God created the child, it is precious to him. So do you think that maybe he doesn't want it's life ended?
Amber

reply from: Banned Member

I'm pregnant with what will be my first child. I haven't changed my views. There is not a tiny human being in me right now...it's a bag of cells that will develop into a human being. Were I to decide I didn't want to be a mother, I could abort it, & I wouldn't be killing anything. I'd just be having a growth removed.

reply from: jujujellybean

no it hasn't. Back then, if you were barren, you were looked down upon. Having kids was a blessing, Now, unfortunately, it is considered a burden.

reply from: boinky78

[no it hasn't. Back then, if you were barren]
Abortion was around back then it's called "back alley abortion"

reply from: donnajohnston

Miscarriage is called spontaneous abortion.
yes but there is a difference between you body rejecting the pregnancy and purposly aborting the fetus
a baby was killed by someone, it was not a natural miscarriage.
ok first of all its not a baby! its a bag of cells that doesnt feel or think

reply from: jujujellybean

ok 2000 years ago? Do you know what time we are dealing with?

reply from: boinky78

[ok 2000 years ago? ]
Abortions were arouned before the word abortion even existed
it's called "back ally abortion"
back ally abortion
is when you make yourself miss carry on purpose
[Do you know what time we are dealing with
You just love being revelent
don't you??

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

I THINK YOU ARE OBIVOULSY A HEARTLESS BITCH THAT THINKS MURDER IS OK .
AND IM NOT BRINGING THE BIBLE INTO THIS I JUST THINK IT IS WRONG TO KILL A LITTLE INNOCENT BABY THAT IS ALREADY LIVING AND A BABYS HEART STARTS BEATING AT 6 WEEKS, AND YOU SHOULD LOOK ON THE INTERNET AT PICTUERS OF ABORTIONS AND ALL YOU WILL SEE IS A BUNCH OF DEAD INNOCENT BABIES . SO WHY DONT YOU *****EN RETHINK IT YOU MURDEROUS BITCH.

reply from: boinky78

[I THINK YOU ARE OBIVOULSY A HEARTLESS BITCH THAT THINKS MURDER IS OK . ]
Abortion is not murder
murder involes malice and it's illegal abortion is legal and doenst invole malice
so no I don't support murder
[AND IM NOT BRINGING THE BIBLE INTO THIS I JUST THINK IT IS WRONG TO KILL A LITTLE INNOCENT BABY THAT IS ALREADY LIVING AND A BABYS HEART STARTS BEATING AT 6 WEEKS, AND YOU SHOULD LOOK ON THE INTERNET AT PICTUERS OF ABORTIONS AND ALL YOU WILL SEE IS A BUNCH OF DEAD INNOCENT BABIES . SO WHY DONT YOU *****EN RETHINK IT YOU MURDEROUS BITCH. ]
Lmao

reply from: Hereforareason

"
murder involes malice and it's illegal abortion is legal and doenst invole malice "
No actually. Murder does not have to involve malice. It involves someone taking another person's life. The only difference, is that abortion is taking the life of an innocent child unable to defend itself, and it is legal. That doesn't make it right.
Amber

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

I PERSONALY THINK YOU ARE A *****EN IDIOT AND ITS NOT JUST A BAG OF CELLS . LOOK AT A 10 WEEK OLD BABY ABORTION AND IT LOOKS JUST LIKE A *****EN BABY JUST ALOT SMALLER SO I DONT KNOW WHERE THE ***** YOU GET YOU FACTS FROM MAYBE AN ABORTION DOCTOR CAUSE THEY OBIOUVLSY DONT GIVE A ***** ABOUT LIFE THEY KILL HUNDREDS OF BABYS EVERYDAY.
YOU DONT EVER DESERVE TO BE A MOTHER YOU HEARTLESS BITCH!
AND I HOPE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD AND HE WILL PUNISH YOU , YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT.

reply from: boinky78

[It involves someone taking another person's life.]
A fetus is not a person
[is that abortion is taking the life of an innocent child unable to defend itself, and it is legal. That doesn't make it right. ]
*plays small sad violen*

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

ABORTION IS MURDER : LETS GO THROUGH THE STEPS K YOUR BABYS HEART STARTS AT 6 WEEKS AND THEN IT ALREADY LOOKS LIKE A BABY AT LIKE 10 WEEKS WITH ARMS. LEGS, FINGERS, TOES, EYLIDS..etc.....
THE BABYS HEART IS ALREADY BEATING FOR MOST ABORTIONS SO YOUR KILLING SOMETHING THAT HAS A HEARTBEAT AND ITS A BABY, A CHILD , A LIVING HUMAN BEING SO IT IS MURDER YOU *****EN IDIOT

ITS MURDER, ITS MURDER, ITS MURDER, ITS MURDER.
YOU ALSO DONT DESERVE TO HAVECHILDREN IF YOU BELIEVE IN ABORTION
YOU STUPID BITCH

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

It involves someone taking another person's life.]
A fetus is not a person
THIS IS A COMMENT TO WHOEVER WROTE THIS STATMENT ABOVE MY COMMENT IS BELOW
A FETUS IS A BABY , YOUR THE STUPIDIEST PERSON I HAVE EVER TALKED TO I CANT BELIEVE YOU THINKS A FETUS IS NOT A BABY YOU ARE REALLY STUPID CAUSE A FETUS IS A BABY.
YOUR PISSING ME OFF YOU REALLY HAVE NO HEART YOU ARE SO INCONSIDERATE TO THINK WHAT YOU DO.
I REALLY WANT YOU TO GO LOOK ON THE INTERNET AND LOOK UP PICTURES OF ABORTIONS AND IF YOU SEE THAT AND STILL BELIEVE IN ABORTIONS THEN YOU REALLY REALLY HAVE TO BE HEARTLESS.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html

GO TO THIS WEBSITE IF YOU BELIEVE IN ABORTION

reply from: AParks09

well, if you aren't going to take the verses we give you, then how can you expect us to meet your argument? this verse says that any man who brings about the thought or suggestion of an abortion or inhibits a miscarriage is committing a murder if he succeeds in doing so, but as an athiest, i can see where you would see otherwise. and although you said to keep the 10 commandments out of it, i have to argue that they play an important role in this topic. but anyway, there's the answer for you..

reply from: boinky78

[ABORTION IS MURDER : LETS GO THROUGH THE STEPS K YOUR BABYS HEART STARTS AT 6 WEEKS AND THEN IT ALREADY LOOKS LIKE A BABY AT LIKE 10 WEEKS WITH ARMS. LEGS, FINGERS, TOES, EYLIDS..etc..... ]
So?cows have legs eyelid and heart beats
your point?
[BABYS HEART IS ALREADY BEATING FOR MOST ABORTIONS SO YOUR KILLING SOMETHING THAT HAS A HEARTBEAT AND ITS A BABY]
So If I kill a mouse it's murder?mice have heart beats too ya know..
[YOU ALSO DONT DESERVE TO HAVECHILDREN IF YOU BELIEVE IN ABORTION
YOU STUPID BITCH ]
So just because I agree with abortion I should never have children?
then that would mean I'd just have to abort everytime I get preggers

reply from: yoda

Does lying about it make you feel better?
YOU are as much a "bag of cells" as your baby is..... and probably LESS of a human being, too.....

reply from: AshMarie88

no it hasn't. Back then, if you were barren, you were looked down upon. Having kids was a blessing, Now, unfortunately, it is considered a burden.
Actually, it for the most part was. I was reading in one of my old school books (last year's science or reading, I honestly can't recall which one, it had to do with past history), even before Jesus abortions existed, altho they were more looked down upon and weren't performed for just ANY reason, but "more important" reasons.
Still against it tho, obviously. Just stating.

reply from: AshMarie88

8 week old "bag of cells":
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA08w2d_earlyMovement-th.jpg

Oh yea, these are all bags of cells, they're not tiny human beings:
http://www.ehd.org/science_imagegal_4.php

reply from: Banned Member

DTHINKSITSWRONG, That's not very Christian of you at all ;-)
Thanks for the website, I like to know what's going on inside my body. But honestly, looks more like an alien than a human. I'll always be more concerned with the life of a pregnant woman than the fetus growing inside of her.

reply from: jujujellybean

yes you do you just wont acknowledge it!

reply from: jujujellybean

well than what is it? Something can't just magically become something when it is born!

reply from: jujujellybean

no it hasn't. Back then, if you were barren, you were looked down upon. Having kids was a blessing, Now, unfortunately, it is considered a burden.
Actually, it for the most part was. I was reading in one of my old school books (last year's science or reading, I honestly can't recall which one, it had to do with past history), even before Jesus abortions existed, altho they were more looked down upon and weren't performed for just ANY reason, but "more important" reasons.
Still against it tho, obviously. Just stating.
thanks ach got my facts mixed up. I was thinking about it, and yah, they would have been looked down on, knowing how the society was!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

So?cows have legs eyelid and heart beats
your point?
yeah but they are not human beings and animals were put on this earth for a reason to eat! HUMAN beings were not put on this earth to kill and that is exactly what you are doing if you have an abortion and about 3500 abortions are done everyday and no god didnt intend for us to kill 3500 of his children everyday
So If I kill a mouse it's murder?mice have heart beats too ya know.
mice are not children were talking about human beings not mice!!!!!
So just because I agree with abortion I should never have children?
then that would mean I'd just have to abort everytime I get preggers
someone who has had an abortion doesnt deserve to ever have children they should be charged with murder!! AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO DEAL WITH THE CONCEQUENCE OF HAVING SEX THEN KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED UNTIL YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

DTHINKSITSWRONG, That's not very Christian of you at all ;-)
IM NOT A CHRISTIAN AND I SHOULDNT OF USED FOUL LANGUAGE BUT I GOT UPSET AND I WONT BE DOING THAT AGAIN CAUSE I CAN SAY WHAT I HAVE TO WITHOUT THAT LANGUAGE!!!!

reply from: xLoki

So... animals were put on this earth to be eaten, but humans were not put on this earth to kill? How does that work out? Humans kill animals to eat them, you know.
That's also "exactly what you're doing" the next time you eat your nice juicy steak.
Well if you're going to go that route: Your god kills more children every day than abortion does.
Mice don't deserve to live? Explain.
Should they get the death penality, too? Or just spend the rest of their lives behind bars? If you want to throw every woman who has ever had an abortion into jail, well, pfft... we're going to need a hell of a lot more jails. Good luck with that.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

THIS REPLY IS FOR Xloki
So... animals were put on this earth to be eaten, but humans were not put on this earth to kill? How does that work out? Humans kill animals to eat them, you know.
WELL DUH WE KILL PIGS AND COWS TO EAT THEM, SO THEY ARE KILLED TO BE EATEN!!!AND HUMANS ARE KILLED FOR WHAT REASON?? SO HUMANS ARE KILLED TO BE BURIED AND BABYS ARE KILLED TO BE TORN UP AND THROWN AWAY , SO WHAT PURPOSE DOES THAT SERVE???
Well if you're going to go that route: Your god kills more children every day than abortion does.
HOW DOES GOD KILL CHILDREN EVERYDAY ??????
Mice don't deserve to live? Explain.
WELL PERSONALLY I HAVE NEVER KILLED A MOUSE AND THEY DO DESERVE TO LIVE!! EVERY LIFE FORM HAS A PURPOSE AND SOME ANIMALS HAVE THE PURPOSE TO BE EATEN ,, BUT WOMEN WERENT GIVEN THE BLESSING OF GETTING PREGNANT TO DESTROY IT !!!
Should they get the death penality, too? Or just spend the rest of their lives behind bars? If you want to throw every woman who has ever had an abortion into jail, well, pfft... we're going to need a hell of a lot more jails. Good luck with that.
THEY SHOULD GET THE DEATH PENALTY CAUSE IF YOU KILL YOUR CHILDREN YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DIE JUST LIKE THEY DID!! AND I HAVE A FEW FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE HAD AN ABORTION AND I MAKE IT A POINT FOR THEM TO KNOW EXACTLT HOW I FEEL AND I TOLD THEM ONE DAY THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE!!

reply from: Hereforareason

"Humans kill animals to eat them, you know. "
I think what DThinksitiswrong meant is murder. There is a difference between killing and murder.
Murder is wrong.
Amber

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

I think what DThinksitiswrong meant is murder. There is a difference between killing and murder.
Murder is wrong.
YEAH ABORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MURDER AND KILLING???????

reply from: boinky78

[YEAH ABORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MURDER AND KILLING??????? ]
Abortion is killing calling abortion murder would be like calling killing cows murder

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Abortion is killing calling abortion murder would be like calling killing cows murder
ABORTION IS MURDER AND YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DIE JUST LIKE YOUR BABY DID!! I DONT KNOW HOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABORTIONS COULD LIVE WITH THEMSELVES ,, I WOULD DIE BEFORE I EVER MURDERED MY BABY!!!

reply from: boinky78

[ABORTION IS MURDER AND YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DIE JUST LIKE YOUR BABY DID!!]
I guess you only care aboue people before puberty?if they die after that you could careless
right?
[I WOULD DIE BEFORE I EVER MURDERED MY BABY!!!]
That's where you and me differ
I wouldnt kill a baby but if I had to abort I would

reply from: boinky78

4given a fetus is alive the way a parasite is alive
so killing a fetus would be kind of like killing a parasite
so don't try to twist my word to guilttrip

reply from: 4given

I do not need to twist your words. My hope is that you will someday come to value human life at every stage of development. I don't understand your way of thinking, but have friends that have had a similar arguement.."no problem aborting anything that resembles a peanut.." was the latest comment. Most pro-aborts have a line though, it is a matter of what stage of development an abortion is okay until.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

I guess you only care about people before puberty?if they die after that you could careless
right?
what do you mean i only care about people before puberty????
i do care if adults die,,, I THINK AND ADULTS LIFE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS A BABY IN THE WOMBS LIFE THAT IS WHY I DONT BELIEVE IN MURDER AND HAVING AND ABORTION IS MURDER !!! I DONT THINK ANY HUMAN SHOULD DIE UNLESS THEY HURT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND A FETUS IS A HUMAN BEING SO IF YOU KILL A BABY YOU SHOULD HAVE TO FEEL WHAT THEY FEEL AND THAT IS BEING TORN UP AND THROWN AWAY LIKE A PIECE OF TRASH, NO ADULT HUMAN WOULD WANT TO FEEL THAT PAIN SO WHY SHOULD A INNOCENT CHILD HAVE TO FEEL IT??????????? .

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

AND BOINKY78,, YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULDNT KILL A BABY BUT YOU WOULD ABORT IF YOU HAD TO
ABORTION IS KILLING A BABY SO YOU ARE SAYING I WOULD KILL A BABY IF I HAD TO AND LIKE IV SAID BEFORE IF YOUR NOT READY TO DEAL WITH THE CONCEQUENCE OF HAVING SEX THEN KEEP YOUR DAMN LEGS CLOSED SO YOU DONT HAVE TO KIILL AN INNOCENT CHILD JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE TO IRRESPONSIBLE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCE'S , THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE BIRTH CONTROL SO YOU DONT HAVE TO MAKE A BABY YOU DONT WANT

reply from: AshMarie88

While I agree with you that abortion is murder, I don't agree with your constantly all-caps and name calling!

reply from: AshMarie88

Also, have you ever known anyone close to you that has made that decision and now they have to live in regret for the rest of their lives?
Please think before you say stuff like they should die the way their babies did.

reply from: kyc

"Why is it not valid? Are you going to accept anything from the bible as valid?"
Most people believe the fifth commandment is "Thou shalt not kill" but it's really "Thou shalt not commit murder" and abortion isn't murder (in the legal sense) so the commandments are not valid.
Sorry if this has already been answered.

reply from: AshMarie88

kyc, the same could apply to Darfur or current slavery elsewhere and murder in Muslim countries, where murder is seen as not wrong or not that important.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

While I agree with you that abortion is murder, I don't agree with your constantly all-caps and name calling!
I NAMED CALLED 2 TIMES AND I WROTE A MESSAGE AND SAID I GOT PIST OFF AND I WOULDNT BE USING THAT LANGUAGE ANYMORE!!!AND FOR THE CAPS I LIKE USING CAPS IM NOT USING IT TO MAKE A BIGGER POINT!!!!

reply from: kyc

"kyc, the same could apply to Darfur or current slavery elsewhere and murder in Muslim countries, where murder is seen as not wrong or not that important."
The laws and customs of other countries have nothing to do with this conversation. I'm talking about the fifth commandment and the definition of murder. In this country, abortion does not fit the definition of murder plain and simple, thus it doesn't fall under the fifth commandment. Please try to stay on topic.
For future reference genocide is always murder, regardless of the laws of the country.

reply from: AshMarie88

Just because the legality of abortion is that it's not murder, does NOT mean it really is not murder in real biological terms and definitions.

reply from: AshMarie88

Something doesn't HAVE to be illegal in order to be considered murder. That was my original point.
Legally speaking, legal murder in other countries isn't considered murder.

reply from: boinky78

[Something doesn't HAVE to be illegal in order to be considered murder.]
Murder is a legal term so it has to fit into the meaning
that would be kind of like me saying killing fish is murder just because it's alive

reply from: AshMarie88

So legal murder in a Muslim country isn't really murder.
Stop trying to twist all your definitions to make a perfect one. You can't have it both ways.

reply from: kyc

"Stop trying to twist all your definitions to make a perfect one. You can't have it both ways."
We're not twisting our words, it's all in the dictionary. Murder is a legal term. If somebody is murdered legally, even here in America, it's not murder. People who are killed by the death penalty aren't considered murdered.
This topic is about the verse or verses in the bible that actually say abortion is wrong. If you wish to continue the other topic maybe you should make another post about it instead of side tracking this one. Funny how pro choicers get bitched at for straying off topic on here but you pro fetus people are guilty of it as well.

reply from: Banned Member

DTHINKSITSWRONG123...
"IM NOT A CHRISTIAN"...."THEY SHOULD GET THE DEATH PENALTY CAUSE IF YOU KILL YOUR CHILDREN YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DIE JUST LIKE THEY DID!! AND I HAVE A FEW FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE HAD AN ABORTION AND I MAKE IT A POINT FOR THEM TO KNOW EXACTLT HOW I FEEL AND I TOLD THEM ONE DAY THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE!!"
Hmmmm...Ya know, if you are a Christian & you deny that you are, Your God's not going to be thrilled with you.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Hmmmm...Ya know, if you are a Christian & you deny that you are, Your God's not going to be thrilled with you.
IM CATHOLIC NOT CHRISTIAN AND IM SURE GOD IS VERY THRILLED WITH ME!!!!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

"kyc, the same could apply to Darfur or current slavery elsewhere and murder in Muslim countries, where murder is seen as not wrong or not that important."
The laws and customs of other countries have nothing to do with this conversation. I'm talking about the fifth commandment and the definition of murder. In this country, abortion does not fit the definition of murder plain and simple, thus it doesn't fall under the fifth commandment. Please try to stay on topic.
For future reference genocide is always murder, regardless of the laws of the country.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????? I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANY LAWS OR CUSTOMS OF ANY COUNTRIES!!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Also, have you ever known anyone close to you that has made that decision and now they have to live in regret for the rest of their lives?
Please think before you say stuff like they should die the way their babies did.
YEAH I DO KNOW 2 PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD AN ABORTION AND THEY ARE NOT LIVING IN REGRET THEY BOTH WOULD DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN IT AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE HAD MORE THAN 1 ABORTION SO IM POSITIVE THEY DONT REGRET IT !!!!
AND I DID THINK BEFORE I SAID IT AND I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO FEEL THE PAIN THAT BABY DID!!!

reply from: AshMarie88

Well I know 2 people most close to me who live in REGRET because of it, what punishment do they deserve?

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Well I know 2 people most close to me who live in REGRET because of it, what punishment do they deserve?
DID THEY DO IT MORE THAN ONCE????WOULD THEY DO IT AGAIN???
I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AND DOING JAIL TIME OR EVEN FEELING THE PAIN THAT YOUR BABY DID IS A GOOD PUNISHMENT BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN SO...... I THINK THAT LIVING WITH REGRET FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IS GOOD PUNISHMENT AND THEY ALSO WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD ONEDAY, BUT IF YOU DO IT AND REGRET IT AFTER THEN GOD WILL HAVE MERCY ON YOU, BUT THE 2 PEOPLE I KNOW DONT REGRET IT AND THEY BOTH HAVE DONE IT MORE THAN ONCE AND WOULD DO IT AGAIN IF THEY HAD TO SO I THINK THEY DESERVE A BIG BIG PUNISHMENT!!!!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

I'm pregnant with what will be my first child. I haven't changed my views. There is not a tiny human being in me right now...it's a bag of cells that will develop into a human being. Were I to decide I didn't want to be a mother, I could abort it, & I wouldn't be killing anything. I'd just be having a growth removed.
ARE YOU STILL PREGNANT OR DID YOU DECIDE YOU DIDNT WANT TO BE A MOTHER AND HAVE AN ABORTION???? HOW PREGNANT ARE YOU????

reply from: boinky78

dthinkiswrong why is it you are "prolife" but it seems like you;re more pro fetsu than prolife giving out death wishes to people who want or have had abortions

reply from: jujujellybean

dthinksitswrong, if you are Catholic you are Christian. I am a catholic too, and we are Catholic Christians! I am taking an apologetics class so I would know to.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

dthinksitswrong, if you are Catholic you are Christian. I am a catholic too, and we are Catholic Christians! I am taking an apologetics class so I would know to.
WELL I KNOW THAT ,DUH!! BUT I JUST WOULD PREFER THE WORD CATHOLIC OK
JUJUJELLYBEAN..

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

dthinkiswrong why is it you are "prolife" but it seems like you;re more pro fetsu than prolife giving out death wishes to people who want or have had abortions
NO IM PROLIFE I DONT THINK ANYONE SHOULD DIE UNLESS THEY INTENTIONALLY KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES,, BUT ABORTION IS INNTENTIONAL NOT ACCIDENTAL SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE KILLS SOMEONE IN THE US THEY HAVE TO PAY BY JAILTIME AND SOMETIMES THEY GET THE DEATH PENALTY, SO WHY SHOULD ABORTION BE ANY DIFFERENT ITS THE SAME THING!!!!
HOW AM I PRO FETUS MORE THAN PRO LIFE EXPLAIN?????
NO IM NOT GIVING OUT DEATH WISHES, (DONT GET IT TWISTED) I JUST THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABORTIONS WILL NEVER GO TO JAIL OR SUFFER LIKE THERE BABYS,, SO I JUST HOPE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABORTIONS LIVE IN REGRET FOR THE REST OF THERE LIVES AND THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR IT ONEDAY!!!!!

reply from: boinky78

why do you insist on typing in caps?

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

why do you insist on typing in caps?
CAUSE I LIKE TO!!! WHY DOES IT SEEM TO BOTHER EVERYONE??????

reply from: boinky78

It bothers me and you're going to be typing to me I would like it if you didnt type in caps because it is hard for me to read SUPER LARGE LETTERS ALL AT ONCE!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

It bothers me and you're going to be typing to me I would like it if you didnt type in caps because it is hard for me to read SUPER LARGE LETTERS ALL AT ONCE!
ok then all type in regular letters ok!!!!!

reply from: AshMarie88

Oh yea because most regretful women have more than one...
These 2 people that I know (I'll just come out and say it; my mom and one of my aunts) have repented, only had one, and still live in regret. God forgave them, he still loves them, and their children still love their mommies.
You really have no idea and don't understand until it happens to you. I'm not defending abortion, I'm defending the women that were lied to, that live in awful regret, that repented but still haven't felt forgiveness.
I know my own brother (8 years before me) forgave our mom too, I forgave her, and I know he's watching out for us. The same goes for my aunt and lost cousin.
(Btw for your info, my mom was pushed/forced/coerced into it, it wasn't HER OWN decision.)
And I have a cousin in OK. who was FORCED as an underage teen to have one. She was literally taken against her will, to a clinic, and given one. I don't know how she feels about abortion, but I could tell you now I'm sure she didn't appreciate being dragged to a clinic forced.
I'm sure my mom and aunt deserve to die even tho they're very regretful and have repented and been forgiven...

reply from: whydeath

I don't read the Bible so I would not know. However, I do know that murder is morally wrong. You don't have to have a Bible to tell you that. Plus you are Atheist so you would not know a Bible verse from a verse from a nursery rhyme...
I think others have handled the question for you though.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

for your info, my mom was pushed/forced/coerced into it, it wasn't HER OWN decision.)
Who forced them and how were they forced isnt that your decesion to make not someone else's???
And I have a cousin in OK. who was FORCED as an underage teen to have one. She was literally taken against her will, to a clinic, and given one. I don't know how she feels about abortion, but I could tell you now I'm sure she didn't appreciate being dragged to a clinic forced
isint it her choice? who forced her and why??? i got pregnant when i was 14 years old and i was scared and i had just started high school and abortion was never even a thought and i dont believe in abortions so i didnt have one and my mom knew how i felt and would never force me to do something like that!!
I'm sure my mom and aunt deserve to die even tho they're very regretful and have repented and been forgiven...
no if you regret it and only did it once and you are truly sorry then i do believe that god will forgive you and others should forgive as well but if your not sorry how do you expect to be forgivin by god!!

reply from: AshMarie88

"Who forced them and how were they forced isnt that your decesion to make not someone else's???"
My mom was forced by my dad. "Get rid of it!" he said. I don't know about my aunt.
Abortion isn't always the direct party's decision!!
"isint it her choice? who forced her and why???"
My cousin was forced by my grandmother, her at the time stepfather, and possibly her mom. See, thru-out her young life she had constantly been taken advantage of, raped, molested, and one day got pregnant. I guess they all got scared and didn't want anyone to find out so they forced her to "get rid of the evidence". And this happens all the time! Girls being forced into it!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

My mom was forced by my dad. "Get rid of it!" he said. I don't know about my aunt.

was there a reason your dad didnt want it ??? did your mom want it ????? i knew my boyfriend waset ready for a baby and he was really scared and there was nothing that could change my mind even him!!!
My cousin was forced by my grandmother, her at the time stepfather, and possibly her mom. See, thru-out her young life she had constantly been taken advantage of, raped, molested, and one day got pregnant. I guess they all got scared and didn't want anyone to find out so they forced her to "get rid of the evidence". And this happens all the time! Girls being forced into it!
well i think thats sad and im sorry for her cause of the circumstances!! but did she want her baby even though she had been molested and raped???
i have to go but all be back in a couple hours and we can finish our converstion K!!!

reply from: AshMarie88

"was there a reason your dad didnt want it ??? did your mom want it ?????"
Well my dad was raised by my grandma but that's a whole other story. My dad never wanted children really, and I guess he didn't want this one. My mom, told me she wanted it, but she was so alone and was so scared to talk to anyone, she had no support, not for her pregnancy. She might have if she had been brave enough to talk to her mom or one of her sisters or someone else who would've understanded. The day she admitted to me that she had one before me, she told me that had she known, had she known what that would do, how it would have affected her, what abortion REALLY was, she wouldn't have done it, wouldn't have just been forced.
And of course, 8 years later she got pregnant with me (she and dad were split up at that time) and called my dad where he was living then and told him, "I am keeping this one, no matter what you say, I'm keeping my baby!" I don't know if he would've tried to force her again had mom not stood up for herself and me or not. He might've felt less powered when mom told him she was keeping me.
"but did she want her baby even though she had been molested and raped???"
I don't know, she was in her young teens... I haven't seen her in years.

reply from: AshMarie88

I'm not quite sure how he feels about the subject now... My guess is he's ok with it cause one day he had the NERVE to tell me my cousin had no business having a baby, that having her now 3 year old son was a mistake, she shouldn't have.

reply from: boinky78

[I do know that murder is morally wrong. ]
Your morals do not apply to everyone
plus abortion doesnt fit into the meaning of murder
besides its killing something but if that was the case people would refer to killing cows as murder

reply from: yoda

Morals don't "apply" to anyone, boinky. They aren't "laws".
Morals are what people use to guide their actions. Do you have any?

reply from: boinky78

[Morals don't "apply" to anyone, boinky. They aren't "laws". ]
Then why are you trying to use your morals to make abortion illegal?
[Morals are what people use to guide their actions. Do you have any? ]
Morals are what YOU consider wrong and right
your opinions on life do not apply to everyone they apply to you and people who agree with them
and yes I do have morals my own morals you don't have to agree with them

reply from: yoda

That's what I was getting at, boinky.....
Now then, what do your "morals" tell you about the idea of killing an innocent unborn baby?
How do your "morals" make that seem okay?
p.s. If the word "baby" makes you uncomfortable, substitute whatever term of euphemism you care to.... and then respond...... okay?

reply from: boinky78

[Now then, what do your "morals" tell you about the idea of killing an innocent unborn baby? ]
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with it
I do not value human life just because it is human
[How do your "morals" make that seem okay? ]
Like I said morals are only opinions

reply from: AshMarie88

You don't value human life at all. The only human life you value is yours. You could care less about innocent, defenseless victims of horrible events.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

ashmarie88,
Well my dad was raised by my grandma but that's a whole other story. My dad never wanted children really, and I guess he didn't want this one. My mom, told me she wanted it, but she was so alone and was so scared to talk to anyone, she had no support, not for her pregnancy. She might have if she had been brave enough to talk to her mom or one of her sisters or someone else who would've understanded. The day she admitted to me that she had one before me, she told me that had she known, had she known what that would do, how it would have affected her, what abortion REALLY was, she wouldn't have done it, wouldn't have just been forced.
And of course, 8 years later she got pregnant with me (she and dad were split up at that time) and called my dad where he was living then and told him, "I am keeping this one, no matter what you say, I'm keeping my baby!" I don't know if he would've tried to force her again had mom not stood up for herself and me or not. He might've felt less powered when mom told him she was keeping me.
why do you have RIP big brother???? well how do you feel about abortion are you for it or against it ????

reply from: kayluvzchoice

DTHINKS....
Why do you feel like you need to be such an *****? Why can't you state your argument like a "grown up"? Most forums only allow members to be at least 13 years old. If you are going to be here, be respectful. Has anyone even attacked you?

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Why do you feel like you need to be such an *****? Why can't you state your argument like a "grown up"? Most forums only allow members to be at least 13 years old. If you are going to be here, be respectful. Has anyone even attacked you?
what are you talkinh about how am i being a bitch??? iv only been talking to ashmarie88 today and i didnt say anything like a bitch!!v maybe the first 2 comments i made but thats it!!!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

DTHINKS...
::ABORTION IS MURDER AND YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DIE JUST LIKE YOUR BABY DID!:
Why should women have to be punished? They don't perform the abortions (unless it is a back alley), doctors do.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

DTHINKS...
I am not talking about just today. I am talking about your posts overall.

reply from: yoda

If you hire someone to kill another person, should you have to be "punished"?

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

kluvzchoice.....
well are you against abortion or for it???? and why should you not have to pay if you have an abortion, when you murder someone you go to jail and sometimes even get the death penalty there is no difference its all the same your still killing a human being !!! the women want the abortion and they know exactly what they are doing and the doctors are really sick to do what they do and i think they should have to pay even worse

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Yes, you should. But no one says anything about the doctor. Dthinks said nothing about how the doctor is a "murderer" and should die. If abortion was murder, then they both are responsible. They both should get the same punishment.
And no, I do not believe it is murder, so do not respond asking that.
If you do not want people to believe your "cause" is anti-women, hold the Woman, the man, and the doctor responsible for the pregnancy and the abortion. Not just the woman.

reply from: yoda

Agreed. However, just because someone doesn't mention something, that does NOT mean they don't support and/or favor it. Don't jump to so many conclusions.
Absolutely, both should be punished equally..... I agree.

reply from: AshMarie88

Ummm because that means Rest In Peace my bigger/older brother, that's no longer alive.
And isn't it quite obvious I am pro-life?
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm for it. I just don't think you should be saying things the way you are.
Ask anyone on here if I'm for or against abortion...

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

well all try not to be so bitchy or whatever im being maybe im being a little to graphic and upfront !!!!
I'm pro-abortion! I feel that women need abortion, not love, support, or choice! Long live abortion!
well i didnt quite know if you were pro-life because of this statment i dont really understand it!!! it says long live abortion,, why????
Ummm because that means Rest In Peace my bigger/older brother, that's no longer alive
andi know that it meant rest in piece but i was wondering if it was a brother that died after birth or if it was the one your mom aborted?

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

are you gonna reply to my comment kluvzchoice or what?????????????????????

reply from: kayluvzchoice

DTHINKS...
I am not really sure if I am for or against it because I have never been in that situation. I am for it being legal, though. The reason people do not go to jail for having and performing abortions is because legally, it is not murder. Whether or not a first trimester fetus is a human or not comes down to opinion. And women have to get abortions in most cases. A lot of women are not financially stable enough to support a child and know it will be hard to give her child over to someone else once it is born. Abortion may be an easier choice for them. Some women are drug addicts and it is really hard to quit cold turkey for nine months. Some women can actually die from giving birth. Human birth is one of the most dangerous. Please do not judge the women who have gotten an abortion and assume that they got one maliciously or because it is some sort of a hobby.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

And women have to get abortions in most cases
in most cases of what????
A lot of women are not financially stable enough to support a child and know it will be hard to give your child over to someone else once it is born
so if you know you cannot afford a child then why dont you protect yourself in the first place so you dont have to have an abortion???
Some women are drug addicts and it is really hard to quit cold turkey for nine months
alot of women who are bad drug addicts dont have abortions they just do it all with there baby inside of them
Some women can actually die from giving birth. Human birth is one of the most dangerous
i know lots of women who have giving birth more than 3 times and they are ok so that is a poor excuse for someone to use andi do know sometimes it is life threatening but most of the time they dont find that out until they are ready to give birth,, as a matter of fact i know someone who gave birth to 20 babys!!!!
the women who have gotten an abortion and assume that they got one maliciously or because it is some sort of a hobby
some women regret it and some dont and i know one partuicular person who uses abortion like birth control and has had 17 abortions and that is just sick!!!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

kluvzchoice are you gonna reply????

reply from: yoda

Ummm.... we already knew that, kay.... it's been that way since 1973!!
No, it doesn't, kay. There are plenty of reference sources that define the term "human being", and they aren't just "opinion". Here's one now:
Information Please: http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0481706.html / hu'man be'ing 1. any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species
MSN Encarta Dictionary
No, they don't, kay. According to Planned Parenthood's own surveys, only about 5% of them are done for medical reasons. The rest are done for financial or social reasons, and those could all give their babies up for adoption rather than kill them.
BTW, if you're not really so strongly in favor of abortion, why the label that says you "love choice"?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Dthinks...
::in most cases of what???? ::
Unwanted pregnancies
::so if you know you cannot afford a child then why dont you protect yourself in the first place so you dont have to have an abortion???::
Birth control fails.
::alot of women who are bad drug addicts dont have abortions they just do it all with there baby inside of them ::
And that is not good.
::i know lots of women who have giving birth more than 3 times and they are ok so that is a poor excuse for someone to use andi do know sometimes it is life threatening but most of the time they dont find that out until they are ready to give birth,, as a matter of fact i know someone who gave birth to 20 babys!!!!::
Wow. Who gave birth to 20 babies? Did she raise them all?
Anyway, it still doesn't change the fact that child-birth is dangerous. Even though it is rare in most developed countries, women still have cases where they could die or do die. Especially when they are still a child themselves.
::some women regret it and some dont and i know one partuicular person who uses abortion like birth control and has had 17 abortions and that is just sick!!!::
That is being irresponsible. It was not out of malice or because she thought it was fun. If she thinks a surgical procedure is fun, then maybe she is messed up.
How did she pay for those? They are like hundreds of dollars.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Yoda:
A fetus is not an individual.
When I said "And women have to get abortions in most cases.", I meant of unwanted pregnancy. There are more reasons to need an abortion other than the risk of dying.
::BTW, if you're not really so strongly in favor of abortion, why the label that says you "love choice"?::
I am not exactly "for" or "against" it. But I do think it is up to the women whatever she wants to do with her pregnancy and I know that criminalizing again will not be a good idea. "Choice" does not mean we want every fetus ever conceived to be aborted. Also, you don't have to be for abortion to want it to remain legal.

reply from: boinky78

[some women regret it and some dont and i know one partuicular person who uses abortion like birth control and has had 17 abortions and that is just sick!!! ]
Damn that lady must be rich XD

reply from: AshMarie88

in·di·vid·u·al /??nd??v?d?u?l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-duh-vij-oo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
1. a single human being, as distinguished from a group.
2. a person: a strange individual.
3. a distinct, indivisible entity; a single thing, being, instance, or item.
4. a group considered as a unit.
5. Biology.
a. a single organism capable of independent existence.
b. a member of a compound organism or colony.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So how is a fetus independent?

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Birth control fails.
That is not an excuse because there are a lot of birth controls that dont fail, the IUD works very very well amd there is a 1% chance that you will get pregnant there is also to shot that works very well ... the pill is one that does fail if you do not take it correctly also if you do not use the patch correctly it will fail ..
just because you cant afford a child and are not ready for one doesnt give you the right to have an abortion , I was 14 years old the first time i got pregnant and i wasn't financially ready for one but i didnt
protect myself correctly and i was ready and willing to deal with the concequence!!!!
Wow. Who gave birth to 20 babies? Did she raise them all?
Anyway, it still doesn't change the fact that child-birth is dangerous. Even though it is rare in most developed countries, women still have cases where they could die or do die. Especially when they are still a child themselves.
my boyfriends grandmother gave birth to 20 children and yes she raised them all ... well you cant use that as an excuse when your first pregnant cause you dont know if your going to die and its not like it happens all the time.
That is being irresponsible. It was not out of malice or because she thought it was fun. If she thinks a surgical procedure is fun, then maybe she is messed up.
How did she pay for those? They are like hundreds of dollars.
well whoever has that many abortions obioiusly has no regret and you dont accidently get pregnant 17 times its has to be because your stupid ..and if you have that many then you probably dont even want children so she should of just got fixed so she didnt have to take 17 little live's..
after the first one i was upset and after all those times she did that i never wanted to speak to her again because of the way i feel about it!!

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

Damn that lady must be rich XD
no she is just sick and would pay her last penny cause she didnt want a baby and not because she couldnt afford one but just becasue she was to selfish to deal with the concequence's !!

reply from: Banned Member

in·di·vid·u·al /??nd??v?d?u?l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-duh-vij-oo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
1. a single human being, as distinguished from a group.
2. a person: a strange individual.
3. a distinct, indivisible entity; a single thing, being, instance, or item.
4. a group considered as a unit.
5. Biology.
a. a single organism capable of independent existence.
b. a member of a compound organism or colony.
Gee thanks for proving our argument, a fetus is obviously not an individual.

reply from: boinky78

[no she is just sick ]
I'm pretty sure noone enjoys abortions since they hurt like hell
she must be some kind of pyscho
[and would pay her last penny cause she didnt want a baby and not because she couldnt afford one but just becasue she was to selfish to deal with the concequence's !! ]
I smell bull*****
do you even know how expensive abortions are?if this lady is rich enough to get abortion after abortion she would also be rich enough to buy birth control etc
(and yes I know birth control isnt 100% effective but seriously 17 TIMES)
Your story sounds like bull you sure you arent lying to make people feel bad about agreeing with abortion?ha I think you are lying

reply from: AshMarie88

in·di·vid·u·al /??nd??v?d?u?l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-duh-vij-oo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
1. a single human being, as distinguished from a group.
2. a person: a strange individual.
3. a distinct, indivisible entity; a single thing, being, instance, or item.
4. a group considered as a unit.
5. Biology.
a. a single organism capable of independent existence.
b. a member of a compound organism or colony.
Gee thanks for proving our argument, a fetus is obviously not an individual.
Temporarily unable to provide for self is a very ignorant and stupid reason for abortion. One of the stupidest, actually.
Newborns are existant, but not 100% dependent. I'M not 100% independent. I'm still depending on my parents until I move out, even tho I have a job and trying to save up. If my parents wanted to kill me, would that be okay, only because I was in their hair and not dependent, unable to care for myself on my own?
A newborn's dependency is the same that a "fetus" has, again the ONLY difference between the two is gestation level and location.

reply from: Hereforareason

"Who forced them and how were they forced isnt that your decesion to make not someone else's??? "
Lots of woman are forced. Emotionally and physically. By boy friends, husbands, mothers, fathers and more. One girl was taken to the clinic by gun point. young teens are taken by older men. (some of whom have been abused by the man and even brought in for multiple abortions. ) That is sick. And the fact that the clinics never report it shows their side. They get the money from these guys, they don't care about woman's rights.
Amber

reply from: Banned Member

I think that is Bull. I've done volunteer work in womens clinics & in those clinics they not only make sure that the women is aware of all their options, including giving them pamphlets on organizations that help young mothers, but they make them go through a counseling session before they will preform the abortion. The womens clinics I have dealt with have nothing but the womans (or child's, as is in a lot of cases) best interests at heart.

reply from: Hereforareason

"I think that is Bull. I've done volunteer work in womens clinics & in those clinics they not only make sure that the women is aware of all their options, including giving them pamphlets on organizations that help young mothers, but they make them go through a counseling session before they will preform the abortion. The womens clinics I have dealt with have nothing but the womans (or child's, as is in a lot of cases) best interests at heart.
"
Maybe you worked at a really nice clinic syrenity. But when abortionist are raping women, pedophiles are using abortion to cover up what they are doing and abortion clinics all over are being closed down for filth conditions......You must have been at the best one.

reply from: yoda

"Individual" simply means one of anything, Syrenity.
Are all fetuses "more than one", or are you just scrapping the bottom of the barrel again for some lame excuse to justify killing babies? (I'm really worried that you may get splinters under your fingernails that way.)
Main Entry: individual Function: noun1 a : a particular being or thing as distinguished from a class, species, or collection: as (1) : a single human being as contrasted with a social group or institution <a teacher who works with individuals> (2) : a single organism as distinguished from a group http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=individual&x=0&y=0

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I smell it too, boinky.......
Abortions cost around $400 a pop, for the early ones.
And many women use abortion AS their primary means of birth control, boinky.
Too bad you're leaving, your posts are a riot.

reply from: yoda

Do you know how many clients Planned Parenthood has referred to adoption agencies, Syrenity?
Zero.

reply from: DTHINKSITSWRONG123

The womens clinics I have dealt with have nothing but the womans (or child's, as is in a lot of cases) best interests at heart.
Not killing there baby would be in everybodys best interest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A mother killing her child is not having there best interests at heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: Banned Member

Yeah, I smell it too, boinky.......
Abortions cost around $400 a pop, for the early ones.
And many women use abortion AS their primary means of birth control, boinky.
Too bad you're leaving, your posts are a riot.
Where did you get these stats from? Source?

reply from: Banned Member

Do you know how many clients Planned Parenthood has referred to adoption agencies, Syrenity?
Zero.
Again, Source? Whatever it is, it's false. I was at a Planned Parenthood the other day to get a pregnancy test. Aside from having parenting magazines in the waiting room, there were also pamphlets from organizations that assist with things like clothing, food, utility bill, ect. for new mothers. After I had my test, no one offered me an abortion, so I guess they're not as evil as you want to make them out to be.

reply from: yoda

Having a few brochures laying on a table is not exactly a "referral", Syrenity.
Do you know what a referral is?


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