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Helping those out of the womb??????

by: boinky78

Protesting against abortion and trying to get it banned will do nothing
why not give your money to orginizations to help single parent mothers?
or protest for better sex ed to reduce the amount abortions people are getting?
Or fight for the lives of abused children out of the womb?
banning abortion will do NOTHING!

reply from: coco

I do agree with you that there should be more sex ed but MOST people on here are religious and they think sex should be within the confines of marriage. I also believe that the problem an d solutionof abortion is MUCH broader then just banning the act.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I completely agree with you.
If abortion becomes illegal, women will have to resort to back-alley abortions, beating themselves, and dangerous "remedies" out of desperation. Miscarriages will also be investigated.

reply from: jujujellybean

okay, you can't make the assumption that we don't already give to single mothers, sex ed, and stuff of th sort? I do! I just don't think it should be legal to kill humans!

reply from: carolemarie

You are making a lot of assumptions that are not very logical.
If abortion is outlawed, women can (and will) use self-control in making decisions. Abortion was against the law for many years before Roe was passed. There wasn't this mad rush for illegal abortions or women being investigated for having a miscarriage. Being legal increased the demand and curiously, if the price for an abortion is really high, women opt to not have abortions and to either raise or place the baby for adoption.
I never met anyone who wants to have an abortion someday...even pro-choice women don't want to have abortions, and the reason is because deciding to kill your own child for whatever reason is unappealing to most of us.
Abortion is a choice that makes women victims. If you want to empower women you don't do that by making them choose between a child and their dreams. It is a false choice. Women can have a future and have a baby.
Carolemarie

reply from: jujujellybean

you go carole! women shouldn't be in relations with a man either if they don't want a baby, because that is one of terms of it!

reply from: boinky78

juju sorry but we do not live in asexual happy land where submissive kicthen cooking women wait to have sex when they're ready to pop out babies for your viewing pleasure
sex is fun
so why should I stay a virgin for the rest of my life just because you want me to?

reply from: Beprolifewithme

Go Carole! I'am so behind you and jujujellybean. If abortion is banned then our future doctors, nurses lawyers ETC will be saved. You seriously think it's right to kill a developing human being? How would you've like to been aborted??? That is a human baby, if it wasn't , what is developing in the womb??

reply from: Beprolifewithme

sex is not fun!!!!! You are creating a human at a way to young age, this is to be saved for marriage, not for fun!!! Sex is a gift that god gave us not something to be toyed with and used for pleasure. Jujujellybean never asked you to be a virgin because she wanted you to...where do you get that?? She's defending the right for a human to live, and I'am right behind her.
Beprolifewithme

reply from: boinky78

[ If abortion is banned then our future doctors, nurses lawyers ETC will be saved. ]
What about our future Hitlers and rapist?
[You seriously think it's right to kill a developing human being? ]
Yes
[How would you've like to been aborted??? ]
I wouldnt have known
so how can I care about something I'm incapinle of knowing about?
[That is a human baby, if it wasn't , what is developing in the womb?? ]
I never said that a fetus wasnt a developing baby
but do I care if its aborted?No

reply from: boinky78

[sex is not fun!!!!!]
An asexuals opinion
[this is to be saved for marriage]
I don't need a paper to prove my love for someone
[Sex is a gift that god gave us not something to be toyed with and used for pleasure. ]
Proof please?
[never asked you to be a virgin because she wanted you to]
But she expects me to be a virgin intill I plan on having children which will prolly be never which means I'd be a virgin for the rest of my life
[ and I'am right behind her. ]
And I give a *****?

reply from: Beprolifewithme

So please, tell me what you gain from having an affair?? Is it a relationship, b/c it's nearly guareanteed that he/she will break up with you, i hope u know. How could you not care that a baby's being aborted???? There could be so many doctors nurses etc, yet if we converted ppl there would be much less bad ppl. Why do you believe in all this?

reply from: Beprolifewithme

I never said you needed a paper. Why should you do it now???? What do you think god gave us sex for??? Enjoyment?? NO!!!! It's for bringing offspring into the world, and this shoud wait until marriage, b/c you are not ready for kids before marriage. What else do you gain from sex other than a precious child, (which should i say SHOULD WAIT TILL MARRIAGE!!. The only other things i've heard from having affairs is: std's, broken heart, abortions, anger, aids, and much more. Why, why should you do it now??????????????????????????????????????????????

reply from: boinky78

[tell me what you gain from having an affair?? ]
wtf you talking about?????????
[Is it a relationship, b/c it's nearly guareanteed that he/she will break up with you, i hope u know. ]
So you think having sex will make someone breakup with you?lol
funny asexual girl
How could you not care that a baby's being aborted????
There are feeling thinking kids all around the world being br00tally killed everyday
you think I'm going to cry over a emotionaless bag of cells?
sorry but you're madly mistaken

reply from: Beprolifewithme

It could be a world of responsible ppl.....have you ever thought of that? Why shouldn't you stay a virgin?

reply from: boinky78

-What do you think god gave us sex for???
How do you know I believe in god?
-NO!!!! It's for bringing offspring into the world
Your opinion
-and this shoud wait until marriage
If this is true why do I get horny and why does sex feel good?
-What else do you gain from sex other than a precious child
What else do I gain?
an orgasm
-std's, broken heart, abortions, anger, aids, and much more.
So you don't think any of this can happen inside of marriage?
-Why, why should you do it now??????????????????????????????????????????????
because it feels GREAT!

reply from: boinky78

-It could be a world of responsible ppl
Being virgin doesnt make you responsible you can be responsible having sex by reducing your risks by using comdoms and birth control
but as we all know birth control and condoms are not 100% effective
-Why shouldn't you stay a virgin?
Because I'm not asexual and I like sex

reply from: Beprolifewithme

if u think having sex is "fun", what do you gain??? B/c from real fun things, you gain good things.
Fyi, I've never had an affair and I never plan to, and i'am not a funny asexual gurl, I'am serious, oh and by the way, i don't have a bf, so why should i care about that?
I honestly feel horribly bad for those kids, and we donate to places that nuture them and help them. And btw, babies are NOT a bag of cells, is that what u were why you were developing? And i'am not asking you to cry over them, why can't you be fair to a innocent developing child, they don't have a chance??? You had a chance.

reply from: boinky78

[what do you gain??? ]
I gain an orgasm
[And btw, babies are NOT a bag of cells]
Yeah but fetuses are
[is that what u were why you were developing?]
I was a bag of emotionaless cells at one point too
[why can't you be fair to a innocent developing child, they don't have a chance??? ]
why not give those already here a chance there are tons of kids on earth already who don't have a chance at surving
[You had a chance. ]
My mother wanted me if she aborted me I wouldnt care because I wouldnt have known

reply from: Beprolifewithme

Boinky,
I'am not done with this discussion, I've got homework left to do, A PROLIFE ESSAY TO WRITE (which I will post on here, don't worry), i'll be back on in about 30 minutes to 1 hour.
I repeat, I"am not done with this discussion! I will be back.

reply from: boinky78

beprolife thats nice

reply from: GratiaPlena

I'm just going to make a couple points. I didn't read the whole thread, sorry if I'm a little off-topic.
1. Marriage is not just a piece of paper. Marriage is an open commitment to society, your spouse, and yourself. In marriage you are legally and morally obligated to support your family.
2. Sex is fun. Why shouldn't it be? But sex is something that is to be done within the bounds of marriage, see above. Having sex with only your spouse will save you from heartbreaks, STDs, unwanted pregnancies, etc.
3. How can a mere 'bag of cells' have musical preferences, memorize stories, learn its mother's voice, etc.?

reply from: boinky78

1. Marriage is not just a piece of paper. Marriage is an open commitment to society, your spouse, and yourself. In marriage you are legally and morally obligated to support your family.
Marriage is just a sheet of paper it's only use is for benefits and for society to take your relationship seriously
other then that it is just paper
2. Sex is fun. Why shouldn't it be? But sex is something that is to be done within the bounds of marriage, see above. Having sex with only your spouse will save you from heartbreaks, STDs, unwanted pregnancies, etc.
You can get stds inside of marriage
You can get your heart broken inside of marriage
unwanted pregnancies can happen in marriage
your point?
3. How can a mere 'bag of cells' have musical preferences, memorize stories, learn its mother's voice, etc.?
Those are second trimester fetuses and I'm against second trimester abortion unless the mothers life is in danger

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Beprolifewithme:
sex is not fun!!!!!
What kind of sex are you having??

reply from: kayluvzchoice

How dare you compare the Holocaust to abortion and then claim aborting something that isn't even alive, that can't even feel is worse?

reply from: jujujellybean

boinky I feel sorry for you if you think that you can just do it when you think. I don't know how many guys you have done it with, but think of the risks!!!! There are so many diseases you can get. Where as if you wait till marriage, for one guy, you are safe. By having sex before marriage, you are saying you don't respect your body enough to say no.

reply from: boinky78

[I don't know how many guys you have done it with, but think of the risks!!!!]
Drving has risks life in general has risks
hey having sex inside of marriage is risky too
should people never have sex?
[There are so many diseases you can get.]
So you think marriade couples don't cheat on each other and bring stds home?
o silly naive girl you have got alot to learn
[you are saying you don't respect your body enough to say no. ]
No unlike you I don't define myself by my hymem
I don't need my hymen to feel important or "pure"

reply from: NFimo

We found this site because we were looking up 4D ultrasound pictures. This is the first forum/blog I have ever entered and probably the last. First let me start by sayingI have been pro-choice since I was old enough to understand what abortion is. I was never for abortion, but rather for the woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her own body. I have been married for 11 years and we have been trying to get pregnant for 8 of those years still believing in the womans right to choose.
And then it happened... we got pregnant. We saw the heartbeat at 6 weeks. Let me say that again .... 6 WEEKS. That little life already was establishing itself. We went online and looked at the developement of every stage. Every week that passed more and more body parts formed. At the end of 12 to 14 weeks that baby was complete from head to toe, fingerprints and all.
What I learned from this experiance is that if you truly are not educated on this topic you will never understand the true value of the life of a fetus. Now I am not demeaning anyones position. If you find women who have carried a baby full term and gave birth , I quarantee the majority will be Pro-Life, even if they were Pro-Choice before.
It was easy for me to believe in the womans right to choose not really understanding what that choice was.
As far as forcing someone to be pregnant I don't believe you can make that statement. If you play with fire ... you can get burned (with exceptions such as rape, etc.). Back in time people didn't have the knowledge we have now. They didn't have all the birth control options that we have today.
Even though I believe in a higher power, I believe you can't ignore science. Everyones beliefs are different, thats what make us all unique but life is life, and it has been proven that a fetus is the first stage of life, among all the other stages before death.

reply from: jujujellybean

boinky, I will pray for you. You're going to need it. What happened to sex is for love? Real love, not like a boyfriend. Someone you have dated for a long time and want to stay with all your life? And you save that gift for each other it is amazing the first time. You need to realize that human life is scared, and that messing with yourself and others is just plain wrong.
Great Story, NFimo.

reply from: boinky78

[What happened to sex is for love? Real love, not like a boyfriend.]
So you need a paper to know you're inlove?
[Someone you have dated for a long time and want to stay with all your life?]
How do you know I won't be with this person all of my life?
How do you know the person you marry will stay with you the rest of your life?
[And you save that gift for each other it is amazing the first time.]
I don't define myself by my virginy I have more to offer to a person then my hymen
maybe you are so boring and dull to be around that you feel the only thing you could give a person is your virginty
but thats not me
[You need to realize that human life is scared]
Why?it's not

reply from: coco

OK here is MY take, what you do and who you do it with is YOUR business not the government not NO one else. If you want to do it with EVERYONE that you see, then that is YOUR parogitive NOT MINE!! I am PERSONALLY against abortion because it VIOLATES someone elses rights, PHYSICAL dismembermant is being done to the unborn, I think sex ed is a great thing. SEX IS A GOOD THING, ITS A GREAT THING, IF YOU GET PLEASURE FROM DOING EVERYONE THAT YOU SEE THEN MORE POWER TOO YOU,not EVERYONE is going to save themselves for marriage and that is crazy if you are going to think that!!! Some THINK that people that are in marriages are some how free from S.T.D's, broken hearts, etc, for those that think that you guys are living in a FAIRY tale!! Why do you think the divorce rate is so high??? People cheat on thier spouses (they ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL), and bring home S.T.D's all the time , its nothing new. I PERSONALLY dont need a peice of paper stating that I love my partner of 11 years, BTW I am not married and in a COMMITED, LOVING, RESPECTFUL relationship. The marrige certificate technically physically provides work and health benefits for your spouse, and a harder hassle to walk out if the relationship if it goes south, THATS IT, NO magical thing happens you dont turn into a princess cause you married your prince charming or nothing!! If marriage is good for you then that is great but dont push YOUR moral beliefs on me and think you are on a moral hierarchy then me because I dont care to get a "certificate".

reply from: Carifairy

I AM MARRIED, and love my husband.
UNPLANNED/unwanted pregnancy happened to US.
Marriage does NOT equal wanting to POP out as many babies as possible.
Sex is ALSO for UNITIVE purposes within a relationship, not JUST procreative purposes.

reply from: jujujellybean

I can't believe it. Why are you on this website if you are pro abortion? This is a PROLIFE website. See, it says it at the top!!!!!!

reply from: AshMarie88

Where are all of these bortheads coming from???
Don't they have an abortion mill to be at?

reply from: AshMarie88

I'm a big bag of cells. You're a big bag of cells. EVERYONE is a big bag of cells.

reply from: AshMarie88

First you people claim it's a parasite, now you're claiming it's not alive?
How can it be sucking the "host's" nutrients and growing, yet it's not alive?
Sigh... You can say two things but they'd be complete opposites. PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

reply from: Carifairy

Concerned parent-
Yes, that does boil it down, and to be frank, it is correct what you are saying.
When a woman finds herself pregnant at a time that she does not wish to be, she obviously *could* have it in her mind that she wants it out NOW.
TODAY, the only way to end a pregnancy at 6-8 weeks would be through abortion, there is no other way.
IF THERE WAS, I would easily support it, which you already know. Supporting a way to remove a pregnancy from a woman[ that does not kill the fetus] would be the ULTIMATE compromise.

reply from: boinky78

[If you don't know you are being killed, it isn't wrong to kill you?]
Yes because I have a family who cares for me and goals
if I died right now I would be angry becuase it would effect more then one person
with a fetus noone would care
[So, do you contend that no harm would have been done, since you would not ]know you had been killed (or feel any pain)?
I would have people who were sad by my death
and all the plans I have made would be over
[Do you think some guy in Alaska would really care you were killed? ]
I'm sure I could if people whine about a fetus who they have never met and even if this fetus was born they prolly still would have no relationship with with it being killed
I'm sure I could find one guy in this world to cry over my death

reply from: jujujellybean

Yes but until then is it ok to let all these people die? NO.

reply from: jujujellybean

Listen, if the baby was put up for adoption someone would care about it. There are so many people that would take it and LET IT LIVE.

reply from: boinky78

[Listen, if the baby was put up for adoption someone would care about it.]
So how do you know for 100% every baby is adopted?
[There are so many people that would take it ]
There are so many people that would take it
How many children do you plan on adopting?
How many children have your parents adopted?
[ LET IT LIVE. ]
if someone evented away for women to carry someone elses fetus
would you carry a fetus for nine months and give birth to he/she just to prevent a woman from getting an abortion?
(I know unrealistic but I want to see your response)

reply from: yoda

Yet another silly argument.
Elective abortion kills a human being, and takes away it's entire life expectancy.
For Americans, that amounts to about 75 years of living, on average.
The conditions during which an innocent life is taken do not make any less immoral to take that life away.
You cannot justify the killing of innocents by any of your distractions.

reply from: Banned Member

Be, it's sad that you've never had an orgasm. You should treat yourself to one sometime. Not only would you get what boinky is talking about, but you would be far less uptight as well. Thinking that sex is for procreating only is very small minded. If you think that your God gave you sex only for procreation, why did he make it feel so good. Was he just f***ing with you?
Honestly, there is a lot to gain from sex. For an emotionally & physically mature person, safe sex is a natural,legal, euphoric high. And a person can get that out of casual sex alone. But, add sex to a loving relationship, whether married or not, & you gain so much more. You gain an intimate knowledge of a person you love, you learn what their fantasies are, & you share special parts of yourself that you normally wouldn't. That's just to name a few of the bonuses of having a sexually intimate relationship.
I think it's funny how you make it sound so easy, make abortions illegal, then everyone will be more responsible & there will be no sex before marriage. You are very naive. Abortions were illegal once, there were still plenty of women getting knocked up & ruining their lives. Many died from getting illegal, unsanitary abortions. But, apparently, an unborn, unknowing, unthinking, unfeeling fetus is more important than the established life of a woman.

reply from: Hereforareason

"why not give your money to orginizations to help single parent mothers?"
You are wrongly assuming that we don't.
"or protest for better sex ed to reduce the amount abortions people are getting?"
We are, it is called abstinence. Not only is the only 100% effective method not to get pregnant or STDs, but it is the moral thing to do.
"so why should I stay a virgin for the rest of my life just because you want me to? "
You shouldn't. You should remain a virgin till you marry because the God who created you said that sex out of marriage is a sin.
If you believe that you came from a monkey, what purpose do you have in life? None, you might as well do anything you please.
But instead, you were actually created miraculously by a God who has morals and who will judge you after you die by what you do now.
It's not funny, think about it carefully.
Amber
"If abortion becomes illegal, women will have to resort to back-alley abortions, beating themselves, and dangerous "remedies" out of desperation."
You seem to think that abortion is safe now. Are you not aware that woman are killed by botched abortions every day?
"Or fight for the lives of abused children out of the womb?"
Again, you are wrongly assuming that we don't. It is a cause worth supporting. Do you?
"banning abortion will do NOTHING! "
Actually it will. It will stop the killing of over 3,000 babies per day. (That is how many people we lost in the world trade center by the way)

reply from: Beprolifewithme

You know what??? It's very unfair for you to tell juju that she is dull and boring, what do you know her?? Fyi, I've known her for over 4 years and she's the last person to be labeled as dull and boring. So stop picking on someone you dont' know! And I can't believe that you think that someone is dull because they won't lose their vriginity to some loser guy who wants to show off to his friends and/or wanting to have their version of "fun". I seriously can't believe you.
Beprolifewithme

reply from: Beprolifewithme

You know what?? I don't care what you say/think, I've never had any and never intend to, so cut it out.

reply from: Beprolifewithme

Thank you!!! I hope all goes/went well with your family and your new addition!!! Congratulations!!!
Beprolifewithme

reply from: jujujellybean

yes, Because that baby would be worth it. Shock you that someone could care so much?

reply from: Banned Member

It's so ridiculous to say that there are people out there to adopt every single unwanted baby if abortions were made illegal. Do you have any idea how extremely difficult it is to adopt a baby. The couple has to be in a very secure relationship, has to have a secure, high paying salary, has to be in relatively good health, & has to be able to fork over the cash to pay for said adoption, which usually amounts to tens of thousands of dollars. So, we're talking about upper middle class Americans. As we all know, the majority of upper middle class Americans are Caucasian. Most upper middle class to wealthy couple are not going to pick a little Hispanic of Afro-American baby to take home & raise. They are also not going to little crack babies, or babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome, or babies born with deformities or developmental disabilities.
I honestly think that every single person who claims to be pro-life should be forced to raise an unwanted baby. I mean seriously unwanted, one of the crack babies. Then you'd truly be doing your & maybe I could get behind you..Maybe. But that will never happen, will it...

reply from: Banned Member

OOhh, here's another way to get those unwanted babies adopted out....Let gays get married & make it easier for them to adopt as well. But all you Uber-Christians can't have that either can you. It's one more thing that doesn't effect you at all, yet it's an affront to your God, ^ you all think you are the only ones worth having rights in this country.

reply from: jujujellybean

no. gays are still people that just are on the wrong path.

reply from: Hereforareason

". Do you have any idea how extremely difficult it is to adopt a baby."
Yes, the Government has made it very difficult. But do you know how many people are on the waiting lists? Even for disabled children.
Amber

reply from: boinky78

[won't lose their vriginity to some loser guy who wants to show off to his friends and/or wanting to have their version of "fun". I seriously can't believe you. ]
See YOU TOTALLY MISSREAD MY POST
I was saying I have more to offer into a relationship then my virginty
I'm fun and a nice person I don't define myself by my hymen
not all guys brag about sex

reply from: Banned Member

I consider an established human being as someone who has life. Embryos & fetuses do not.
A child is cognizant of it's surrounding, it realizes it has a life, it has feelings, it has emotions, it has a life. Unborn embryos fetuses do not!
How about you? How many defected babies have you adopted? If none, how many do you plan to adopt? How are you doing your part really? I'm sure you'll side step the questions like you do all the questions directed to you.

reply from: jujujellybean

Why not go ahead and clear the orphanages now? Just ask if anyone wants each child, and if no one does, put a bullet in his/her brain on the spot... Will you take that job? Oh, right, it is somehow more distasteful to you if children are killed after they exit the womb, right? For some reason?
yah Boinky thinks to be a person you need experience, and so being born gives you that little extra oomph that makes you a person.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Go tell that to someone who's just suffered from a miscarriage. Go on, I dare you.
I'm sad for all abortions, does that count?
I'm sure I could find one person to cry over the death of the unborn baby that was just killed three seconds ago.

reply from: boinky78

[Go tell that to someone who's just suffered from a miscarriage. Go on, I dare you. ]
A misscarriage if different from an abortion the woman made the choice to abort.. now with a misscarriage people might have been planning for this baby or was excited for this babies birth
with abortion it's not like that so the two can't be compared

reply from: Hereforareason

"if I died right now I would be angry becuase it would effect more then one person
with a fetus noone would care "
So does it make a difference that thousands of people mourn over the thousands of babies who are aborted? Is that worth? Does someone else caring for you give you the worth to live?
Amber

reply from: boinky78

[So does it make a difference that thousands of people mourn over the thousands of babies who are aborted? ]
Wasting time when they could be doing something useful
[Does someone else caring for you give you the worth to live? ]
No

reply from: yoda

Wow... just imagine all those "dead" babies in the womb, growing and developing every day, not knowing that they are actually dead already..... ?????
Did you know that all prolifers have horns, and pointed tails? Did you know that we all use pitchforks to stab innocent proaborts? Did you know all that?
Well, now that you DO know all that, pray tell us........ how does that make it any more "moral" to kill an unborn baby?
Please, PLEASE...... tell us!

reply from: Banned Member

Actually, I did know that ;-)
Doesn't make it any more moral...doesn't make it any less moral either. Because it's not killing, it's not murder. It is what it is. It's a woman, or in some instances, a child, whose is doind what she has to in order to advance or maintain her place in life.

reply from: jujujellybean

Syrenity, I ask all the pro choice people here this to get their opinion: what is the magical day that a baby becomes human, and what is the magical day abortion becomes ok then?

reply from: Banned Member

Yes I know...you started a whole thread on it. I already answered it there, but I'll coddle you & answer it again here...
There is no magical set day. I think that having a higher brain function is what makes a human a human. The science says that this starts to happen in a fetus somewhere around the 18-24 week. Over 98% of abortions are preformed prior to the 15th week. Of the about 1.5% that are done later it is usually due to health problems with the mother.

reply from: GratiaPlena

So what about a woman who aborts a baby wanted by the father? What about giving him intense emotional pain? Or what if she feels guilty about it later? There are women who commit suicide due to past abortions, you know.

reply from: Banned Member

Well a person who is brain dead, which is what a first trimester-early second trimester fetus essentially is, has no right to life. The only reason brain dead persons are kept alive on support systems is for the families, when it would be better for all involved if they would just allow the plug to be pulled.

reply from: Hereforareason

". Because it's not killing, it's not murder. It is what it is."
It is the stopping of a life. shutting it down, if that sounds better to you than murder.
Amber

reply from: yoda

Then why do proaborts waste our time trying to demean and smear us? Do you think they enjoy doing that sort of thing?
To give credit where it is due, your apparent lack of knowledge is awesome.
1. "Killing" means to cause a living being to die.... and you're going to tell us with a "straight face" that abortion doesn't do that???? How can you?
2. "Murder" is defined (in noun form) as the ILLEGAL killing of a human being.. and THAT is why abortion is not technically murder.... it has absolutely nothing to do with the lame reason you gave.
And you're perfectly fine with that?
Let me quote you something: "Women will never reach equality with men by climbing on top of the dead bodies of their babies".
Think on that one....

reply from: yoda

As I said before, your lack of knowledge is AWESOME........
"Human" is a term of the vernacular which is well and thoroughly defined in many, many dictionaries and other reference sources..... we do NOT NEED to "think about " or "guess" what it means... we have special books for telling us the meaning of words.... they are called DICTIONARIES..... USE ONE, PLEASE!!
American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
http://www.bartleby.com/61/ [/a]
HUMAN:
1. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.
Now PLEASE tell us of what genus and species the unborn of "human" parents are...... IF NOT Homo sapiens......... OK????

reply from: yoda

AWESOME......... !!!
First, you say they HAVE NO BRAINS.... then you say they are BRAIN DEAD...
How can they be "brain dead" WITHOUT A BRAIN?????
Doesn't posting this kind of crap bother you at all???????

reply from: whydeath

Says who? proof please....here is mine,http://www.heritage.org/Research/Family/CDA04-01.cfm
Personally I do. Many of the CPC's give away products to needy mothers. The US is a powerful nation why can't we give our time and energy to many orgonizations?
Parents need to teach their kids and not depend on the goverment to do so.
There are many orgonizations who do so.
Are you saying we should only choose one orginization to support? or one cause to support? I am not that selfish!
Yes it will save lives. See the link provided above.

reply from: Banned Member

AWESOME......... !!!
First, you say they HAVE NO BRAINS.... then you say they are BRAIN DEAD...
How can they be "brain dead" WITHOUT A BRAIN?????
Doesn't posting this kind of crap bother you at all???????
Nope, doesn't bother me at all.
1) It was a comparative statement. A brain dead person can be compared to a being without a brain & vise versa.
2) I never said fetuses don't have a brain, of course at a certain point they don't, but that's besides the point. You are putting words into my mouth. I said they have an undeveloped brain.
If you want to be so literal, why don't you call them undeveloped humans?

reply from: jujujellybean

so? how does killing the baby help the mom. And what about all the birth defect children? Like down syndrome? Some of them have the brain of a baby, should they considered humans?

reply from: yoda

No, they cannot honestly be compared. "Brain dead" denotes a human or other creature that has a brain that no longer functions. An embryo that hasn't yet developed a brain has NOTHING "dead" within them.
That's really a pathetic "comparison"
Sure, that's fine.
Up to about age 18 years or so, right?

reply from: jujujellybean

ouch, that's gonna leave a mark.

reply from: Banned Member

You people tickle the hell out of me, you really do. ;-)
Just because you don't think it's a viable comparison, doesn't make it so. You are no more important or all knowing than I am. You should really get over yourself.
I think it's great how I can stand alone on this website & be completely unaffected, but if our situations were reversed, you would crawl into the fetal position & cry. You have to have your numbers to feel important. More power to ya. I gave up my security blanket long ago.

reply from: Hereforareason

All that is, is a person attack. And it doesn't even make sense.
We aren't talking about feeling important. We are talking about stopping the murder of thousands of innocent lives. You might think it is great that you are completely unaffected. We have names for that, you wouldn't like any of them.
Amber

reply from: lukesmom

Soooo, it all comes down to life is life if the baby is wanted but NOT life if the "fetus" is unwanted???? Notice the inconsistancy here?

reply from: 4given

So you can remain unaffected and ineffectual. How can you say, and who are you to anyway, that your "situation" is worthy of a fetal cry? You don't even deem fetuses worthy of their first cry. The irony is lost on me. Maybe, but then again I feel your security blanket has been weaved from anger, helplessness and bitterness. So if you gave it up, but instead want to carry bits of it around with you... and take it to a more toxic level, then you are right. The next level, after abortion, is hell.

reply from: lukesmom

According to you, my BABY, my SON, Luke was not human. He was born at 36 weeks, he lived 45 minutes. He was and is loved and a member of our family, yes, even in death. He had Anencephaly which means his brain didn't form at 25 DAYS. Luke's short life touched many lives and he fullfilled his purpose here. One small "unhuman" who is loved more than you could know by so many, esp his mommy. To you he was not human, To me YOU are the one lacking in humanity and in intelligence.

reply from: Banned Member

All that is, is a person attack. And it doesn't even make sense.
We aren't talking about feeling important. We are talking about stopping the murder of thousands of innocent lives. You might think it is great that you are completely unaffected. We have names for that, you wouldn't like any of them.
Amber
You're right, that is a personal attack. As I said before, I will always fight fire with fire. If I am attacked personally, I will attack personally, since I am ganged up on, I won't pull punches. I could be a lot ruder, I sure haven't dished it out as much as I have received it.

reply from: Banned Member

So you can remain unaffected and ineffectual. How can you say, and who are you to anyway, that your "situation" is worthy of a fetal cry? You don't even deem fetuses worthy of their first cry. The irony is lost on me. Maybe, but then again I feel your security blanket has been weaved from anger, helplessness and bitterness. So if you gave it up, but instead want to carry bits of it around with you... and take it to a more toxic level, then you are right. The next level, after abortion, is hell.
Once again, you imply that I hate all babies & think all fetuses should be aborted. If this isn't a personal attack, I would like to see your definition of one. You can tell me I am going to hell all you want ( even though your religion prohibits you from doing this) but I just can't go to a place that doesn't exist. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead.

reply from: Banned Member

According to you, my BABY, my SON, Luke was not human. He was born at 36 weeks, he lived 45 minutes. He was and is loved and a member of our family, yes, even in death. He had Anencephaly which means his brain didn't form at 25 DAYS. Luke's short life touched many lives and he fullfilled his purpose here. One small "unhuman" who is loved more than you could know by so many, esp his mommy. To you he was not human, To me YOU are the one lacking in humanity and in intelligence.
I am sorry for your loss, but that doesn't make me change my opinion. My best friend hung himself, he didn't die right away, but it did cause him to be brain dead. I loved him & always will love him, but that doesn't changed the fact that the last few days of his life he wasn't a human, he was a vegetable.

reply from: sk1bianca

brain has nothing to do with being human or not. if you take a dog and cut out his brain, he suddenly stops being a dog? a dead, brainless dog, but still, it does not change into another species.
the human condition, belonging to the human species, is determined by DNA. so a brain dead human, a completely dead human, the remains of a humna can still ce refered to as being human. scientifically speaking.
a human being is human from the moment of conception until death. he doesn't magically turn into a "vegetable" or a "non-human" or "something less than human" because of somebody's opinion. it's sad you think that about your friend and than say you loved him.

reply from: yoda

Of course not, Syrenity..... common sense makes it so. A dead brain condition cannot be compared to a "pre-brain" condition in any way, shape, or form.
Actually I think it's indicative of your total lack of real emotion, Syrenity. The term that comes to mind is "sociopath".

reply from: lukesmom

According to you, my BABY, my SON, Luke was not human. He was born at 36 weeks, he lived 45 minutes. He was and is loved and a member of our family, yes, even in death. He had Anencephaly which means his brain didn't form at 25 DAYS. Luke's short life touched many lives and he fullfilled his purpose here. One small "unhuman" who is loved more than you could know by so many, esp his mommy. To you he was not human, To me YOU are the one lacking in humanity and in intelligence.
I am sorry for your loss, but that doesn't make me change my opinion. My best friend hung himself, he didn't die right away, but it did cause him to be brain dead. I loved him & always will love him, but that doesn't changed the fact that the last few days of his life he wasn't a human, he was a vegetable.
I do not want or need your sympathy. Truthfully, you have mine as I can't think of anything more pitiful than your way of thinking. You have my sympathy...and pity.

reply from: jujujellybean

I wanted to point out something: you said you are always getting called heartless and ignorant, well Boinky has called me those things a number of times, or at least ignorant. Kay has too! Get over the pity party, because no one is there but you!!!

reply from: jujujellybean

yah seriously. If my brain was put in a dog, would it be human? Sheesh. Human has a lot more to do with than brains, hearts, and stuff.

reply from: boinky78

[ Get over the pity party, because no one is there but you!!! ]
You mean like that pity party you throw everyday?

reply from: jujujellybean

once, again, you have evaded everything else I said and just focused on the smallest little thing. It shows how you work: you think you are so tough, yet you only answer weird things because you can't the other. It's so simple its complicated!

reply from: boinky78

Juju I have answered all over your questions but you choose not to take my answers into consideration because it's not the answer you want so you pretend like I didnt answer the question in the first place
and after the 4th time of you asking me a question I refuse to answer it
you even pmed me one time asking me a question and I answered it
but then you still went around saying I didnt answer the question
so really
whats the deal??????????is it like you don't think a question is answered unless it's the answer you want?because I don't know wtf is with you

reply from: yoda

Just answer the question, boinky. That's all you have to do.

reply from: jujujellybean

STOP EVADING!!!!! I wasn't even talking about that, Geez! You obviously have no argument so you revert to attack mode...stay on topic unless you can't because you really don't know what to say!!!!!

reply from: boinky78

The topic is "helping those outside of the womb"
why don't you get on topic
and tell me what you're gonna do to help kids already on earth
ty

reply from: Hereforareason

"
and tell me wtf you're gonna do to help kids already on earth "
I suppose we could start with educating them as to the dangers of a "medical" procedure which takes a living child out of the womb and often causes women to die from blood loss, infection and more. We could also tell them that they are lucky to be here as we have killed a third of their peers.
Boinky, a third of your peers are dead. That doesn't bother you at all? A potential husband, class mates, best friends, people!
Amber

reply from: jujujellybean

yes but that was another issue. You didn't answer that question.
And I already have, but after the fourth time I stop answering.....

reply from: jujujellybean

no, they are an emotionless bag of cells why should she care? Give me a break.

reply from: bobman

I got a vasectomy. I can screw all I want: no babies. No pregnancy. No chance of putting a woman in the situation of choosing an abortion. You pro-lifers should love me.
I advise all you repressed pro-life men to do the same. Get the snip and you can go seduce yourself a good Christian woman without worrying about breeding or having to kill a precious fetus because your Sunday School teacher never taught you how to use a condom correctly.

reply from: sheri

Beprolife, I think you are doing a fine job defending the babies . I wonder did you mean to infer that sex is solely for the purpose of procreation? I beieve God made us to enjoy sex with our spouse not only as a motivating factor to bring new souls into the world, but also to strengthen the bond between the man and woman.
A renewel of the marriage covenent. Sex is very good in the proper place, dangerous and hurtfull outside of marriage.

reply from: Hereforareason

I agree with you Sheri. It is very important in the marriage relationship as well as for procreation. The way it is mocked and played with today is really sad, disgusting, and sad.
Amber

reply from: faithman

94:1 ΒΆ O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.


Psa 94:2
Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.


Psa 94:3
LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?


Psa 94:4
[How long] shall they utter [and] speak hard things? [and] all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?


Psa 94:5
They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.


Psa 94:6
They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.


Psa 94:7
Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard [it].


Psa 94:8
Understand, ye brutish among the people: and [ye] fools, when will ye be wise?


Psa 94:9
He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?


Psa 94:10
He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, [shall not he know]?


Psa 94:11
The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they [are] vanity.


Psa 94:12
Blessed [is] the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;


Psa 94:13
That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.


Psa 94:14
For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.


Psa 94:15
But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.


Psa 94:16
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? [or] who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?


Psa 94:17
Unless the LORD [had been] my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence.


Psa 94:18
When I said, My foot slippeth; thy mercy, O LORD, held me up.


Psa 94:19
In the multitude of my thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul.


Psa 94:20
Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?


Psa 94:21
They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.


Psa 94:22
But the LORD is my defence; and my God [is] the rock of my refuge.


Psa 94:23
And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; [yea], the LORD our God shall cut them off.

reply from: jujujellybean

exactly. He never meant it not to be fun, because it is, and that's why it is special. But he wanted it for people who love one another so much they want to have children together and know that it could happen. That is also why I believe birth control is wrong. Because God is the sole giver of life, and when we take that away, it is like saying that we don't need him anymore for that and doing that gets dangerous.

reply from: sheri

What do you guys think of Natural family planning? Inside marriage of course.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Natural family planning is very healthy- it's been known to help women struggling to get pregnant bear children. It's easy, and you don't have to place your trust in a piece of plastic or a pill.


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