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by: makenzie22

due to some problem at the clinic...my appointment was changed to  eastern time. its now here. my  will be home at 2.  this is so hard. i already schelduled a dr appointment today because im not feeling well. i wish my  would just let this go. i guess i am just going to have to tell my , that im not going. if that means that i go some where else to live them so be it...

reply from: mom5

Okay, so your appointment at the abortion clinic has changed to 3:00.

Is it for "counseling"?  Or did they tell you not to eat anything today?

If you HAVE to..if anyone..protesters, sidewalk counselors are outside...tell them how you feel!

I am praying!

reply from: Tam

That's a good idea. there may be people outside the clinic. many of them are there to help people in EXACTLY YOUR PREDICAMENT. it is YOUR RIGHT to speak to them.

reply from: makenzie22

i have not ate since 12 am. they told me not too, and i already talked to the counsler yesterday.

reply from: makenzie22

dear god please help me to be able to talk to my dad when he gets here. god please help me to be bold and not back down with what i believe. please god give me courage and strength. these are going to be some of the hardest moments of my life. god be with me.

reply from: mom5

That's a good idea. there may be people outside the clinic. many of them are there to help people in EXACTLY YOUR PREDICAMENT. it is YOUR RIGHT to speak to them.

Tam - I have read TOO many testimonies where young ladies just wished someone would have spoken to them and said..You don't have to do this!  Some of them just want someone else to take control...give them just a little more information.

And if the protesters, sidewalk counselors are on their toes...they will call for help, or maybe reach out to her father.

reply from: Tam

Makenzie as I told you in email: if you don't want this appointment it is your right to call and cancel it. If you want to cancel it but you're afraid get someone else to cancel it for you. You still have an hour to just cancel the whole thing. By not eating you are playing along with their game. I think you should eat something right away! A big box of french fries with lots of ketchup! If all it takes to save your baby's life today is eating some fries, doesn't that make it seem easy? Or even just a peanut butter sandwich--I'm sure your baby's not too picky (yet! you'll have fun later trying to make him or her eat those strained carrots--little face covered with orange goop) ;-)

reply from: Hereforareason

I'm praying for you Makenzie. God will be with you and so will our thoughts.
Tell your Dad how you feel. Be respectfull but tell him that you consider abortion to be murder and that you won't do that to his grandchild.
If he wants to force you, you may need to call for help. I would reccomend calling Life Dynamics right now. They have a great net work. Tell them what's going on and ask for help. I'll email you my phone number.
Amber

reply from: makenzie22

listen when my dad gets here im going to have him sit down in front of the computer, please guys reach out to him, please talk to him.

reply from: mom5

Honey - you know that you are going in for your abortion TODAY!

God is with you!  Look your father in the eyes and tell him that you can not do this!  Tell him exactly how you feel! 

reply from: Tam

ok but be aware he may not even be willing to sit at the computer and talk to some random people he doesn't even know. he might be in a hurry to get you over to the clinic.

i am on my way out the door but in case your dad does listen this is for him:

dear dad,
you are so much like my own dad. who cares for your child and wants her to succeed in life and be happy. if this had happened to me at her age I am sure he would have wanted me to have an abortion. at the time i might have done it, too. now he and i have both been pro-life for years and are so grateful we don't have this pain and guilt and trauma to deal with. you may think this is right in this moment, but i think in your heart you know abortion is not right, and especially not against the express wishes of your daughter, who wants to keep her child alive. please stand up for your grandchild. it is too late to prevent this child from existing. he or she already exists. do not try to pressure your daughter to have this child killed. that's not what she wants, and it will be a huge mistake for all three of you, most especially the baby. god bless you.
tam

reply from: makenzie22

what do you mean i know i am going in for my abortion today??? wont you guys reach out to my father? im going to ask him to please read this when he comes in. please

reply from: Hereforareason

Mackenzie what's your Dad's name and his church's name? Do you mind posting it? And your full name? If not could you please email me with it. I've been emailing you from mailtoaughteroftheking@characterlink.net">daughteroftheking@characterlink.net
Amber

reply from: mom5

I'm not leaving!  Everyone stay here!

Please God, open the eyes of Makenzie's father...let him see that a precious child is growing inside of her right now as we speak.  That precious child will bring him a lifetime of joy...will it be a girl, that will need hairbows and dance class?  Will it be a boy, who will want to go fishing with him by the time he is old enough to walk?  A precious child that will hug him everytime that he or she sees Grand daddy! 

My children so love their grandparents...They tell me they know why grand children are called "grand"...they tell me that they have so much love for them.  They couldn't imagine life with out them.  As I write this...both of my children are with their grandparents...they are baking cookies today and plan on mowing the yard a little later.

It doesn't matter how this child was conceived..it was conceived for a reason.  God has a plan for this child.  God has a plan for Makenzie...she will probably be the best mother in the world! 

reply from: Hereforareason

we are here for you Mackenzie! What she meant was that this would not be a check up see how she's doing appointment. They mean to do the abortion today. I seriously don't know if eating something would stop them. They don't care about life. But maybe your Dad would.
Amber

reply from: makenzie22

ok guys my dad is here. he has agreed to sit here and see what you guys have to say.

reply from: mom5

They have you not to eat so that the Valium or other medicine will not make you sick to your stomach.

Makenzie - they counseled you yesterday...you had to wait 24 hours before your procedure by law probably...you are going in for the abortion today.

Dad - please - don't take her to that clinic today...she doesn't want to go.. you both should TALK!

TALK right now...Makenzie tell him how you feel!  You must!

reply from: chooselife

Dad - You need to look at what scripture says about life.  You may think that you can "hide" your daughter's pregnancy from you congregation...but you will not be able to hide her abortion from God.  I work for a church and have been discussing this issue with our pastors and they are absolutely sickened to the core of their stomachs that you would sacrifice your grandchild's life for your reputation.  Do you want to answer to this on Judgement Day?  What an amazing opportunity for your church and for you to talk of forgiveness.  I think you will be amazed at how your church will rally behind you and your daughter.  I would take your daughter into my home this very second and my church would open their arms to her and help her, support her, give her financial aid, whatever she needs....

reply from: mom5

Dad - please listen and talk to Makenzie.

I have no idea who you are...but as I sit here, I am crying my heart out!

When I was 16, I thought that I was pregnant..My mother told me that I would have an abortion...that hurt my soul so much! 

Makenzie is very scared, probably as much as you are, if not more.  She too didn't mean for this to happen, but it did.  I going to say..."two wrongs do not make a right"..she needs you NOW more than ever. 

We are all human!  You are disappointed, scared, and angry about this situation...allow your heart to open...open your heart to life.  I really think that you will regret taking her to that clinic...

Please talk!  Makenzie talk from your heart!

reply from: Hereforareason

To Mackenzie's Father.
Hi, this is Amber's mother.  Dear Mackenzie family.  I see you are in a terrible situation...but two wrongs don't make a right.  Don't let the fear of man or the loss of your career force you to make...literally a fatal mistake. Many other options to explore as well as the real consequences of this decision.   Many resources availabe for the asking.   Take more time on this irreversible decision.  To be very honest.   We are ready to contact your Church and talk with the elders...they can be a source of help as I'm sure you have been to your flock.
Mackenzie check your email. I sent you our numbers. Call us now if you want.
Marge and Amber

reply from: Hereforareason

These pictures are graphic. but this is the result of abortion. What you want to do to your grandchild.
http://www.rtl.org/html/Abortion/abortion_methods2.html
Amber

reply from: mom5

Your church is absoultely the best place to be in a situation like this.

They will open their hearts to this child.  Do you really think that they will "hate" a precious child of God? 

I too would take Makenzie right now in my home...If I don't even know you guys, can you imagine the out pour of love and prayers and help from the people in your church...people who love Christ!

We all are to bare a cross....but I have never bared a cross that Christ could not help me through.  And He will help the both of you through this right now if you just ask Him...I've already asked..numerous times...listen to Him.

reply from: chooselife

Mackenzie's Dad - God does not make mistakes.  He is perfect and so is His timing.  The little boy or girl growing in your daughter's belly HAS A PURPOSE!!!  This was no accident!  Please do not be deceived by the cunning ways of satan. Satan loves death....God is the giver of life.  You know this because you are a pastor.  Look at your daughter's face.....she was once inside the belly of your wife growing and forming.  How precious is she to you?? How much more precious are grandchildren?!  Please sir.....seek God for your answer. 

reply from: bartman

Dad, I am a man who lost a child to abortion over 2 years ago. It changed my life forever. I KNOW that my baby was KILLED. I guarantee if you force your daughter to do this, the both of you will never be the same. Abortion wont make your lives go back to where they were before she was pregnant. It will make you the grandfather of a dead baby and her the mother of a dead child. As well, it will probably cause a rift between you and your daughter that will likely never heal.

PLEASE DONT KILL THIS BABY!!!!

reply from: Hereforareason

Mackenzie let us know that you are still online.

reply from: mom5

Makenzie are you there?

Talk to us!

reply from: bartman

I told your daughter I would apply to adopt her child if she can't find anyone, but There are thousands of couples out there waiting years to adopt. They would give anything for a child. The mother has far more choices in the adoption process now. She can change her mind and keep the baby at any time.

reply from: Hereforareason

she's off. The bulb is blue.

reply from: Hereforareason

Dear God please save this girls life and that of her child. Please change this mans heart.

Does anyone have her number? Where in South Carolina is she? Has anyone called Life Dynamcis?

reply from: mom5

You guys...

What are we to do?

Did anyone get any information from her?

reply from: bartman

She can choose which family the baby goes to and reserve visitation rights. That little baby is completely innocent and helpless. You have the responsibility of his/her life in your hands...CHOOSE LIFE

reply from: bartman

There is nothing we can do unless someone knows the clinic she is going to.

reply from: mom5

Keep talking everyone..

I should be able to find a family for her...any of us here on this forum that has a home church can find a family.  There are over a million people waiting to adopt a child. 

Yes, she can choose the family.  We can help find somewhere for her to live if we need to.

reply from: bartman

We can do all those. Except she is offline. We have to pray that she finds the strength to resist the force of the devil. Pray that she is able to make a stand for that little life growing inside of her. They are probably driving to the clinic right now and she is probably trying her best to convince her dad to turn around. I fear that all we can do now is pray.

reply from: chooselife

The only clinic in South Carolina that I could find is:

Greenville Women's Clinic
1142 Grove Road
Greenville, South Carolina 29605
864-232-1584 or 1-800-776-0082

reply from: Hereforareason

Charleston Women's Medical Center - 843-571-5161
1312 Ashley River Rd., Charleston, SC 29407

Planned Parenthood - 803-256-4908
2712 Middleburg Dr. # 107, Columbia, SC 29204

Greenville Women' s Clinic - 864-323-1584
1142 Grove Rd., Greenville, SC 29605

reply from: chooselife

Ooops...found another one.

Charleston

http://www.CharlestonWomensMedicalCenter.com
1312 Ashley River Road
Charleston, South Carolina 29407
(800) 358-4075    (843) 571-5161   

reply from: chooselife

Anyone know what part of South Carolina she lives in???

reply from: sarah

I'm praying too...I'm confused though, she has another post here thanking us...does anyone know if she thanked us before or after her pitiful crys for help????

reply from: sarah

It's nearly 3pm....has anyone heard from her????
This is so sad.

reply from: Hereforareason

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reply from: mom5

I emailed her again..she had just emailed me the same information that she posted about the appointment being changed...when I emailed her back, I asked the clinic name and location.  I haven't heard back..

She's away from the computer...No Bartman..I am going to think that she is talking to her father right now and they ARE NOT in the car..driving to the clinic!  Please God..let that be the case!

I feel so helpless!  I just hope and pray that our words for the past few days have made her stronger.  Bless her heart...she didn't even know that she was going in for the abortion today.  It was definitely God's work that we all happened to be online at this very moment!  I actually do not work on Wednesday's, but really needed to work, so I just peeked in for a moment.

Pray!

reply from: Hereforareason

Her Thanking us was before this happened. For earlier support. I also recieved that email and that is all I've heard since. No replies
These three were on Life Dynamics death camps list. I don't know where she is.

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reply from: Hereforareason

shoot. I don't now why that has all the other stuff in it. Can you guys read it alright?
Amber

reply from: mom5

Okay - does anyone know how to take her email address, which is a yahoo address and see if there is any personal information?

Then we can go from there.

reply from: bartman

There is nothing else we can do. The last time I felt this way was when I waited helplessly at home, hoping my ex girlfriend would change her mind at the last minute.

The corrupt world does not care about what might happen very soon.

reply from: Hereforareason

I don't. But time is short. I called Life Dynamics. They don't have any one currently at any of the three clinics.
Amber

reply from: mom5

If I had to guess, I would say anyone but Planned Parenthood...I just don't know why...just a gut feeling.

Okay, who can help? Life Dynamics?

reply from: Hereforareason

There are two clinics that appear to not be planned parent hood. what could you do with the number though?
Anyone living in South Carolina?

reply from: mom5

What else did LD say?

reply from: Hereforareason

I'm afriad I didn't ask anything else. Sorry. I'm just wishing we had called earlier. What could anyone but God do now?
Amber

reply from: sarah

Bless her heart.
I hope her dad had a change of heart!!! Wish I could have been here then, I"d have told him that my husband and I belonged to a very strict and tight knit church where I taught Sunday school. When my daughter came home pregnant our pastor said right away to us..NO JUDGING!
Our church welcomed her with open arms and love and even a beautiful baby shower...they prayed un-cessingly for her and us!
Our very own pastor went thru the same thing....abortion was NEVER an option for his daughter...they did decide to adopt out the baby.

I know, given a chance the people of his church would understand and love her.....PLEASE JESUS intervene!!!!!

reply from: chooselife

Is her last name norten??? Could we find a Pastor Norten in South Carolina?

reply from: Hereforareason

Anyone checked out the email to see if we could get other info?

reply from: Hereforareason

The name on the email is Gracie Hubbard.
We should probably check them both out.

reply from: Hereforareason

Anyone know what Baptist Convention would a South Carolina church belong to?
Amber

reply from: mom5

This is very reason Abortion should be illegal!

Now, I am pissed!

I am through crying, I haven't stopped praying, but I am mad!

See what abortion can do to people!  LOOK PRO-ABORTS...TAKE A LOOK!

THIS IS WHAT ABORTION IS ALL ABOUT...A WOMEN'S CHOICE... Well, what if it is NOT her choice, but her father's?  What then Pro-Aborts? 

I am NOT giving up...I am praying that Christ will intervene..that God will open hearts and that Makenzie has heeded my and other's advice and will call out to those around the clinic and hopefully, someone will hear.

reply from: mom5

The yahoo address...anyway to get personal information?

reply from: sarah

I hear you mom5....it's beyond infuriatiing. This has taken frustration to new and ugly heights!

reply from: Hereforareason

Abortion being for woman is one of their best lies.

reply from: sarah

What can anyone do with any information at this point? I'm open to suggestions.

reply from: Hereforareason

Conntact his church

reply from: bartman

I don't think there is anything more we can do. We had an opportunity because she reached out to us. That is more than we can say for the 4,000 other abortions that are happening today in the U.S. and Canada.
Satan is strong, perhaps too strong for Mackenzie and her dad. I think all we can do is pray that God moves their hearts to choose life.

reply from: sarah

In case he didn't force his daughter?

reply from: bartman

Do you how to contact his church?
She didn't give us enough information

reply from: mom5

she didn't want to go - she said so on the very first post on this thread.

Forced?  I would think so.

reply from: Hereforareason

Sarah?

and I think we should request a chat room

reply from: Scooby

There is no church listing with that last name as a Pastor (at least that I could find)

reply from: Hereforareason

well I am trying to look him up
we know his last name might be one of two. Baptist church in South Carolina.
By the way, I just found the babtist convention site. Pastors are required by law to report child abuse and such.
Amber

reply from: mom5

Unfortunately, not all Baptists churches are part of the convention and some don't even have telephones.  All we can hope is that she replies to one of our emails to let us in on her location and information.

reply from: Scooby

This situation potentially involves two Pastors. One would think that this would not be a secret in the congregation very long.

reply from: Scooby

She mentioned it was a SB Church so it would be affiliated with the convention

reply from: ChristianLott

If you are any kind of father friend, you will not kill your own granchildren and destroy your daughter's heart.

reply from: mom5

Her father's last name would have to be Norten because Baptist ministers are not allowed to be divorced, etc.  What do you all think?

reply from: Hereforareason

Um, That doesn't make sense. we don't know for sure what her last name is. It might be Hubbard.
Amber

reply from: ChristianLott

Hell is a very real place. I hope you believe, but it won't change a thing if you don't.

reply from: bartman

I think we don't have enough information to do anything. They say the most powerful weapon in the fight against the culture of death is prayer, so let's use it now.

reply from: mom5

I tried both names on the Southern Baptist Convention website and nothing.

I haven't received an email back from her.

reply from: Hereforareason

was that directed to anyone in particular?

reply from: Hereforareason

Anyone found anything? How are you looking?
Amber

reply from: Hereforareason

Is everyone gone? I'll be checking in
Amber

reply from: Scooby

I agree with the sentiment - but why bring it up now?

reply from: ChristianLott

The murder of an innocent baby is a mortal sin and Hell is a very real place. This is not a sentiment.

reply from: Scooby

No arguments here it just seemed out of place after the previous post

reply from: makenzie22

is anyone here?

reply from: sarah

Oh Makenzie...I'm here too....we've been praying!!!!

reply from: makenzie22

we turned around on the way there. my dad got a phone call from the hospital, something about my mother. he dropped me off and went there, im waiting to hear from him.

reply from: sarah

Hope everything is all right with your mom...we'll pray for her too.

reply from: ChristianLott

Murder takes an act of will. If you murder your babies or allow someone to murder your babies you are still murdering your own child.

reply from: ChristianLott

You can't get around the murder of your child by allowing your father to schedual a "doctor"s appointment for you. Real doctors heal - this is not a real doctor, he's a hired assasin. There is no hope and prayer that can stop an objective act of the will. You are either commited to your child(ren) or you are a murderer.

So are you going to murder your children Makenzie, yes or no?

reply from: mom5

Please don't call her a murderer.  That gets us no where with her.  I understand your thoughts completely, but she will go away when someone starts calling her a murderer. 

Regardless of how we feel about abortion - it is legal, she can go to a clinic right now and have one..anywhere in America.  But she has opened up on this forum for help..not slander and we must open our hearts to her, support her by giving her information (just as you have done)...give her more facts, more information, support...don't start being this way...

And if she has the abortion, we must support her afterwards.  And we already know how she will feel afterwards don't we?

reply from: ChristianLott

"Please don't call her a murderer."

I did not - and please do not attempt to misrepresent me.

"And if she has the abortion, we must support her afterwards. And we already know how she will feel afterwards don't we?"

What's you're point - that it doesn't matter one way or another, that this is all about HER feelings and not the painful slaughter of her own child? How about that baby's feelings? After the abortion it's too late to care about those, isn't it?

reply from: mom5

"You are either commited to your child or you are a murderer."  - You just told her that if she has an abortion she is a murderer.

christianLott - I agree with you that it is about the child also...we can not keep her from having an abortion..but we can support her not to..of course I don't want her to..you need to let your anger go from your past.  I am sorry that your child was slaughtered...I've already told you that I was sorry. I have children, I know they are precious and need protection.
 
But, if she does have that abortion...the last thing she needs is people calling her a murderer.  That was my point. 

reply from: ChristianLott

If she makes the 'choice' to murder her babies she will be a murderer.

There is no 'getting over it' or even 'through it'. Once you murder - it's done. There is no going back and it's horrible.

That's my point.

reply from: mom5

Point taken...LOL to you, but I just don't call a woman who has had an abortion a murderer.

There is no getting over it, no going back, no second chances and that's what she needs to know.  That's what we need to tell her and anyone in her situation.

You really need to be talking to her about your feelings after the abortion...let her know what your ex-girlfriend has told you...(you may have already by email)  you are a great witness to her right now, just don't loose her...know what I mean? 

reply from: ChristianLott

It was almost 5 years ago and I think of my babies EVERY day. And I can't see them, all I can see is the terror of their murder to replay in my mind.

How would you like to have the only memories of your first born(s) bethose pictures of them torn apart?

People talk about having a tough time sleeping. For almost a year I'd go into panic, wondering if this really happened to my children or it was just a nightmare.

reply from: ChristianLott

If a baby bird landed on your doorstep, would you feed it and care for it or stab it to death?

reply from: mom5

CL -

I don't know who your last posts were aimed to..probably me and I want to say once again how extremely sorry I am for your pain.  I can NEVER relate to even half of the pain that you must be going through..Let me share an ounce of what I can imagine..

Two pregnancies ago, I lost a child at 8 1/2 weeks.  I wasn't having any symptoms of a miscarriage, just a normal day to go in to the doctor.  She must have "felt" something was wrong because she wanted to do an ultrasound.  My baby didn't have a heartbeat.  I didn't take complete notice of the ultrasound, I felt everything was fine..or course the tech couldn't tell me that she didn't see a heartbeat therefore, I was never really proven to that my baby didn't have a heartbeat.  My doctor let me know, of course my heart sank...thinking not again (it was my second)...she wanted me to go home and decide what day I would like to have the "d&c", so I decided immediately...therefore, the next morning. 

A few weeks after my procedure and the death, I received a bill from my doctor.  The procedure was "coded" ABORTION!.  Now, my doctor is pro-life, she would NEVER terminate a pregnancy and as we all know miscarriages are also called abortions.  However, I started having nightmares that I had actually killed my child...just from looking at one piece of paper that said abortion.  For over 4 months, I wondered...what if they were wrong....what if my child was really alive....what if the ultrasound tech didn't know what the hell she was doing? 

Therefore, I can only imagine your hurt...I am sorry!

reply from: Tam

Whoa, mom5, that sounds AWFUL. I'm so sorry that happened to you! What a thing to do to someone! Who is coming up with these codes?! You know, those things can be so misleading. Like if a woman dies from injuries sustained during a legal abortion, how often does the cause of death get listed as "Abortion"? That is one reason it is so difficult to track deaths from abortion. Or whenever someone is in the emergency room for any reason, if they so much as mention that at some point marijuana was involved, then even if the marijuana had nothing to do with the cause of the problem, it can be listed as the cause of the problem, so you can find these ludicrous inflated statistics about emergency room visits caused by marijuana (how? a bale of it fell on someone?) and deflated statistics about deaths caused by abortion. Meanwhile somewhere in mom5's medical records is the word "Abortion." How nice for you, mom5! This is how statistics get manipulated so easily--because reporting isn't even accurate to begin with. They want to place everything in these neat little boxes, but sometimes the boxes are not neat, and sometimes they are placing things in the wrong boxes entirely. I can sort of imagine how it must have felt. I put my story about the time I thought I had a miscarriage here but then I decided it was too personal so I just PM-ed it to you. ((mom5)) Anyway, I'm so sorry that happened to you.

reply from: ChristianLott

One of my grandfather's told me he didn't think he needed the heart surgery he had.

My other grandfather had diabetes and they cut off both his legs piecemeal. By the ankle, then to the knee, then the thigh. The next leg went the same way. He knew what they were doing. They were charging his insurance for a bunch of surgeries to make money. He told my father but my dad refused to believe him. My dad believes him now and told me the story.

It's the way money works. It's completely heartless.

I still feel my children (and my girlfriends heart) were singled out for sacrifice.

I hate this place but you can't give up. If you let your guard down, they'll get you.

There are good people out there, but there should be an immediate universal audit on all hospitals and clinics for malpractice. It's just too easy for them to do the immoral.

Animals.

Ever heard of the 'six degrees of separation'? They know what they're looking for. Ignorance. They're fighting to survive, even over your dead body.


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