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by: faithman

What about womb gay rights? Should a woman be allowed to kill a child because it is geneticly gay? Are we to allow the genetic flaw of fagdom to be an excuse for killing a pre-born?

reply from: ladybug

no... absolutely not. period.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

What in the world are you talking about Faithman? Engaging in homosexual acts is a choice. Some young men may act out a feminine role. They may start talking, walking or dressing as a woman. They may even have a "sex-change" operation. Others who engage in homosexual acts act and appear manly, they do not go through the pretensions of exhibiting feminine behavior. These things are all "choices". None of us are slaves to a "gay gene", "alchololic's gene", or any other gene that forces us or makes us act in a certain way. A person's behavior is determined according to each person's free will. Don't blame it on, "the gene made me do it".
Each person is responsible for his own behavior, and must answer for engaging in homosexual acts. (Homosexual acts are very destructive to the human body, and can be compared to alcoholism and drug use.) It is false to say, "I was made this way, it's in my genes."

reply from: ladybug

what does your arguement have to do with abortion.. this forum isn't about homosexual beliefs but prolife beliefs. get your facts straight and argue about the correct things....

reply from: faithman

What in the world are you talking about Faithman? Engaging in homosexual acts is a choice. Some young men may act out a feminine role. They may start talking, walking or dressing as a woman. They may even have a "sex-change" operation. Others who engage in homosexual acts act and appear manly, they do not go through the pretensions of exhibiting feminine behavior. These things are all "choices". None of us are slaves to a "gay gene", "alchololic's gene", or any other gene that forces us or makes us act in a certain way. A person's behavior is determined according to each person's free will. Don't blame it on, "the gene made me do it".
Each person is responsible for his own behavior, and must answer for engaging in homosexual acts. (Homosexual acts are very destructive to the human body, and can be compared to alcoholism and drug use.) It is false to say, "I was made this way, it's in my genes."
OH! I would agree. But what if the excuse to abort was a predisposition to fagdom? Would it be right for MRS. Evangelical to abort a potential gay?

reply from: faithman

It has everything to do with abortion. I don't think gayness is a good reason to kill a womb child. SSSSSOOOOO you dismiss homosexuals for life completely? Shouldn't we cover all the bases? I do not believe they will prove a genetic link to fruity tootiness. But what if they did? Whether true or made up, if someone suspected womb gay tissue in the blob, would it be right to kill on that basis?

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

What in the world are you talking about Faithman? Engaging in homosexual acts is a choice. Some young men may act out a feminine role. They may start talking, walking or dressing as a woman. They may even have a "sex-change" operation. Others who engage in homosexual acts act and appear manly, they do not go through the pretensions of exhibiting feminine behavior. These things are all "choices". None of us are slaves to a "gay gene", "alchololic's gene", or any other gene that forces us or makes us act in a certain way. A person's behavior is determined according to each person's free will. Don't blame it on, "the gene made me do it".
Each person is responsible for his own behavior, and must answer for engaging in homosexual acts. (Homosexual acts are very destructive to the human body, and can be compared to alcoholism and drug use.) It is false to say, "I was made this way, it's in my genes."
OH! I would agree. But what if the excuse to abort was a predisposition to fagdom? Would it be right for MRS. Evangelical to abort a potential gay?
My family went on a trip again this weekend. As usual, it wasn't safe to visit a wayside/public restroom. A "gay" magazine was left in one, along with the usual proposition to engage in homosexual acts if one would visually display that his body is ready for such activity. These predators stalking the rest rooms and leaving feces on the floors and walls as a result of their sodomy is a real health hazard.
Sexual activity is, of course, a topic related to abortion. However, not because one is supposedly already endowed with a "defect" referred to as a "gay gene".
It is wrong to go down the road China did, where girls were aborted or killed so that the one child the family was allowed would be a boy. Pre-testing to eliminate growing children that do not meet a certain criteria is wrong (it's murder).
In case you didn't know, fag is short for fagget. A fagget is kindling (a bundle of small dried up sticks meant for the fire). Fresh green branches that bear fruit by abiding in Christ's teaching will inherit all things. Those outside his teachings are like dead dried up branches that do not bear good fruit; they are gathered up and thrown into the fire. Fire visualizes utter destruction; no one will be conscious or alive after death.

reply from: ladybug

It has everything to do with abortion. I don't think gayness is a good reason to kill a womb child. SSSSSOOOOO you dismiss homosexuals for life completely? Shouldn't we cover all the bases? I do not believe they will prove a genetic link to fruity tootiness. But what if they did? Whether true or made up, if someone suspected womb gay tissue in the blob, would it be right to kill on that basis?
i just dont think that arguing about whether being gay is geneticly passed on or not is going to help our cause... i agree that it is an issue of abortion, just like gender, etc is... but arguing about how people think other people are gay just blows everything off subject

reply from: faithman

It has everything to do with abortion. I don't think gayness is a good reason to kill a womb child. SSSSSOOOOO you dismiss homosexuals for life completely? Shouldn't we cover all the bases? I do not believe they will prove a genetic link to fruity tootiness. But what if they did? Whether true or made up, if someone suspected womb gay tissue in the blob, would it be right to kill on that basis?
i just dont think that arguing about whether being gay is geneticly passed on or not is going to help our cause... i agree that it is an issue of abortion, just like gender, etc is... but arguing about how people think other people are gay just blows everything off subject
It helps the cause a ton!!! It puts the pro-aborts in a tight spot. The hard core pro-aborts, are also hard core limp wrist. Now what they gonna say? It is OK for mommy klan to kill the womb gay, but it is not ok for daddy klan to kill the born fag. What about it pro-aborts? If fagdom can be geneticly proven [as you claim], would it be right to slaughter womb gays?

reply from: AshMarie88

It doesn't matter if someone is straight, bi, gay, abortion is always wrong. So what if someone's gay anyway? It doesn't affect me.

reply from: faithman

I wanna hear from the bortheads. Would it be ok with the death skanks for Fred Phelps to have one of his pre-born clan members aborted becase they thought they might be gay? Dose a woman homophobe have the "right" to abort the womb gay?

reply from: JaysonsMom

Faithman, I'm having difficulty responding to many of your posts because of the rude language you use. Must you type and represent yourself and your beliefs in such a manner? I enjoy reading what you have to say but when you say things like you do, it makes me not want to respond at all. BLAH... dont' even know why I bothered with this.
I dont know if being gay is genetic or a choice so I don't know how to respond to your question.

reply from: coco

Fman you are a character, dude, you sure are funny!! Your vocab consist of "fagdom, baby killer, tootie friuty, and some other funny S#@* ( I am censoring myself not to offend any priest) !! YOU ARE HISTARICAL

reply from: faithman

SSSSSSOOOOOO what would you have me do?

reply from: faithman

Where have I posted that I hate rectum rippers? I advocate legal protection for womb gays, where as you promote killing them if Mrs. Phelps wants to. The question is, why do you comit the crime of womb gay hate? I believe that all genetic flaws can be healed by the blood of Jesus. But you can't heal what has been hated to death by pro-abort homophobes.

reply from: MC3

For those pro-lifers who have legitimate concerns about whether this is an appropriate strategy for the pro-life movement to pursue, let me give my two-cents worth.
Today, the so-called "enlightened" view is that homosexuality is not a choice but a function of genetics. While I am far from convinced that this is true, let's assume for the moment it is. What that means is that it is only a matter of time before science identifies the genetic marker for homosexuality.
Meanwhile, though there are certainly members of the gay community who are pro-life, go to any large public event put on by the pro-choice gang, or read any edition of the NOW Times or MS magazine, and you will see that the "mainstream" homosexual lobby and the "mainstream" abortion lobby are joined at the hip.
The problem for the pro-choice community is that they cannot afford to back away from their mantra that the reasons for abortion are no ones business except the woman who is having it. That is what makes this an issue the pro-life movement must press. It is not only good strategy, but it is entirely appropriate for us to force the abortion lobby to defend the practice of killing babies because they may turn out to be gay.
Look at it this way. One of the most morally disgraceful aspects of the abortion holocaust is that over 90 percent of babies with Down Syndrome are killed in the womb for no reason other than the fact they have Down Syndrome. When the time comes that the "gay gene" is identified, it is as certain as the sun coming up in the east that the pogrom against Down Syndrome children will be expanded to include those who might turn out to be gay. In fact, I would not be at all surprised to find that more parents would kill a potentially gay child than one with Down Syndrome.
If our making an issue of that drives a wedge between the homosexuals and the baby-killers, and that wedge weakens the pro-choice movement, are we supposed to shed tears over that? If so, I propose that we start calling ourselves: The New Politically Correct Pro-Life Movement.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Homosexuality, btw, is not genetic, but even so it makes for an interesting hypothetical dilemna. http://narth.com/
Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project
By A. Dean Byrd, Ph.D, MBA, MPH
That's one of the articles you can get is soon as you open the main page.

reply from: faithman

WOW!!!!! Someone actually gets it!!!!! The pro-queer and the pro-baby killers locally are exactly the same people. The pink too toos actually show up as volunteers and escorts at the PP abortion mill. A pflag lesbian use to be the exec director of PP. What a conversation starter at the next church pick nick. Wear a womb gay rights t shirt.

reply from: JaysonsMom

Must I even say it? How about be an adult? Childish name-calling makes your arguments look weak. People don't pay attention to what you're saying and that's taking away from our cause.

reply from: nykaren

WOW!!!!! Someone actually gets it!!!!! The pro-queer and the pro-baby killers locally are exactly the same people. The pink too toos actually show up as volunteers and escorts at the PP abortion mill. A pflag lesbian use to be the exec director of PP. What a conversation starter at the next church pick nick. Wear a womb gay rights t shirt.
Faithman, Your hatred would be funny if it weren't so totally pathetic. Ever heard of compassion? Or of Jesus' words to love your neighbor as yourself? Would Jesus hate gays??

reply from: 4given

No thank you. I only want to be correct in the eyes of the Lord, and I have a mission to lead my quiver full, whether by my own womb, or the children who come into my life.. Either way, I will hopefully have contributed to an army of legitimate, morally conscious womb child protectors! My prayer is such!.. But again , the thing that struck me was the statistics on Down's Syndrome! I actually feel ill.. I have a 25 year old brother w/ Down's.. He is engaged to be married to another Down's Syndrome girl.. He has worked a full-time job since he was 16, and prior to that cut cord wood for people.. They are both high functioning.. We have inquired and tried twice to adopt a Down's child.. It grieves me so! I didn't know that so many souls were lost because of that extra chromosome! Reguardless of the reason someone is given to dispose of a created being.. it is disgusting that anyone would entertain the thought alone of doing it! I guess that is the majority rule here, and I feel blessed in that alone. Thank you for bringing more facts about the justifications of the toxic soul and their slaughterings! I love Down's children, as I do any child God has created! Surely.. there should be a better "disgust" emoticon..

reply from: 4given

FAITHMAN! Go to your room!

reply from: faithman

WOW!!!!! Someone actually gets it!!!!! The pro-queer and the pro-baby killers locally are exactly the same people. The pink too toos actually show up as volunteers and escorts at the PP abortion mill. A pflag lesbian use to be the exec director of PP. What a conversation starter at the next church pick nick. Wear a womb gay rights t shirt.
Faithman, Your hatred would be funny if it weren't so totally pathetic. Ever heard of compassion? Or of Jesus' words to love your neighbor as yourself? Would Jesus hate gays??
Have you ever read the Bible? Throwing folk in a lake of fire is what? You are the death skank that would say it is OK to murder a preborn gay. Hear it is that I am promoting womb gay rights, and you imply me to be a hater? You be the one who hates children enough to kill them in a pro-abort homophobe fit of rage!!!! I don't believe in killing faggots, just help them get back in the closet so they won't be acting out in the public rest room. I believe in them comming out, the womb that is.

reply from: faithman

They have paid pretty good attention on this thread!!!!

reply from: 4given

WHAT?
You are making people uncomfortable.. Yes! Keep up the fight after your time-out! I am sure you must know I do not lack any respect at all for you and the mission you have in turn blessed me personally with.. Being a momma, I could sense the tone of the reprimands here as a "go to your room" moment.. by the way, your time out is over.. Get them weapons out, cuz it's time to re-join em..
And the future thanks you, as I do.. THANK YOU!

reply from: faithman

A pro-lifer's gotta do what a pro-lifers gotta do. .....and maybe have a little fun at borthead expence along the way.

reply from: 4given

Thanks for that also..God only knows how many times I have withheld my real opinion.. I still need to be Godly, but in the company of friends.. I might appear to be "rude" or a big meanie.. maybe in time.. I almost feel like I am in the company of friends.... at least one!

reply from: nykaren

WOW!!!!! Someone actually gets it!!!!! The pro-queer and the pro-baby killers locally are exactly the same people. The pink too toos actually show up as volunteers and escorts at the PP abortion mill. A pflag lesbian use to be the exec director of PP. What a conversation starter at the next church pick nick. Wear a womb gay rights t shirt.
Faithman, Your hatred would be funny if it weren't so totally pathetic. Ever heard of compassion? Or of Jesus' words to love your neighbor as yourself? Would Jesus hate gays??
Have you ever read the Bible? Throwing folk in a lake of fire is what? You are the death skank that would say it is OK to murder a preborn gay. Hear it is that I am promoting womb gay rights, and you imply me to be a hater? You be the one who hates children enough to kill them in a pro-abort homophobe fit of rage!!!! I don't believe in killing faggots, just help them get back in the closet so they won't be acting out in the public rest room. I believe in them comming out, the womb that is.
As usual, you'd prefer to insult me {and ignorantly, at that} than answer my questions. So.....Mr. Faithman, would God hate gays?? I've never said any of what you would attribute to me in your frantic daitribe. Why your focus on gays?? You believe it's okay to call them faggots? Did ya get that from your Bible??

reply from: faithman

I owe the bortheads nothing. They are a dispicable, unreasonable, evil lot of criminals. The only thing they will get from me is defeated. They deserve nothing but to be torn asunder, and plowed into the ground. Until we quit trying to reason with the death skanks, and start going about defeating them, babies die. Don't let the I AM A PERSON gig fool you. I do not believe in being nice to pro-aborts. I AM A PERSON just gives nice people a place to participate in a very effective way. I would rather rub borthead noses in the bloody pictures, but if we are to win, it will be thru the mushy middle, and I AM A PERSON is totally mushy middle freindly. I am for winning. The most effective I have ever been on the front lines, is with I AM A PERSON. It whips pro-abort butt everytime. We try to be far to nice to monsters. I try to flame throw em down every chance I get. This is a fight for the life of our national posterity, and the survival of our nation. It is time we quit going to care net banquits, and really do things that save babies lives.

reply from: faithman

WOW!!!!! Someone actually gets it!!!!! The pro-queer and the pro-baby killers locally are exactly the same people. The pink too toos actually show up as volunteers and escorts at the PP abortion mill. A pflag lesbian use to be the exec director of PP. What a conversation starter at the next church pick nick. Wear a womb gay rights t shirt.
Faithman, Your hatred would be funny if it weren't so totally pathetic. Ever heard of compassion? Or of Jesus' words to love your neighbor as yourself? Would Jesus hate gays??
Have you ever read the Bible? Throwing folk in a lake of fire is what? You are the death skank that would say it is OK to murder a preborn gay. Hear it is that I am promoting womb gay rights, and you imply me to be a hater? You be the one who hates children enough to kill them in a pro-abort homophobe fit of rage!!!! I don't believe in killing faggots, just help them get back in the closet so they won't be acting out in the public rest room. I believe in them comming out, the womb that is.
As usual, you'd prefer to insult me {and ignorantly, at that} than answer my questions. So.....Mr. Faithman, would God hate gays?? I've never said any of what you would attribute to me in your frantic daitribe. Why your focus on gays?? You believe it's okay to call them faggots? Did ya get that from your Bible??
Yes I did get it from the bible. Faggots means brand destined for the fire. The bible teaches that homosexuals have their place in the lake of fire. So faggot is accurate. God's wrath abides upon all sinners. Only when one surrenders to the Lordship of Christ, can they fully enjoy His Love. Yes, God hates fags. But He has a love He would share with them if they repent and surrender to Christ as Lord. Got bad news for ya. Death skanks don't rate very high with Him either.

reply from: 4given

Perhaps it is exhaustion.. but the banquets and such I am privy to as a pending member of a political committee.. The I AM A PERSON cards brought provision to the cause! If it were not for my boys and my donation of every magazine we own to the libraries, school, dentist and drs. office (all w/ I AM A PERSON cards or copies glued w/in the pages..) being of notice to even a minority in this town, it would have never happened! Faithman, I am kind naturally.. I am nice because I strive to be.. until I make an enemy..It isn't trying to be nice for me..and when an enemy comes towards me; it is striving to be Godly.. non-the-less I always want the bewildered mind to set focus on the realm of the destruction, demise and despair created..BY THEM and THEIR IDEAS. Those that seek an abortion as well as anyone who supports them in doing so.. YOU ARE SO RIGHT! You owe them nothing.. I owe them nothing.. as I have said.. God doesn't feel that way though and if a drop of what they consider to be insignificant chatter.. evolves into a much known slaughter spatter we have not educated in due time... So the I AM A PERSON cards are awesome.. but also the MALACHI posters.. if it were up to me everyone would see the 100 or many more abortion photos!.. Thank you.. I am having a moment of enlightenment.. Both are good..

reply from: faithman

Nice most assuredly has its place. Particularly when you are dealing with mushy middle fence sitters. Hard core pro-aborts, no quarter. Abortion punks need to be defeated. We must start considering the womb child as equal value to the born. When you look into the eyes of your brood, ask yourself what you would do to a fool who was about to take a butcher knife to them! That is the feeling you should have towards pro-aborts. I AM A PERSON is for educating the masses. It changes the hearts of Joe Q public like nothing I have ever used. But when I run into the hard core maggot punk bort head, the bloody pictures come out, and I do my best to pound them into the ground. Sometimes fallow ground has to be plowed. The deep fertile ground, particutarly of the very young, needs planting with the seeds of life that I AM A PERSON represents. The I AM A PERSON approach is alot more enjoyable. I never get tired of mothers telling their young children, " Look! thats what you looked like in mommy's tummy!" When we rightly divide this issue, we win every time. When we use the wrong tool for the job, sometimes we do more harm than good. We do not need to offend folk who would be allies with the aborted pictures. It is a stupid move to put aborted pictures in family situations, particularly when we got I AM A PERSON. On the other hand, Operation Rescue does a fine job of picketing borthead clinic workers homes with the bloody stuff. It's kinda like this... Passion Of the Christ carried an R rating because it was SSSSOOOO graphic and bloody. Yet some indiscremantly expose children to aborted pictures that would most assuredly carry an R rating in movie form. If all you are after is a media event, and sturring a stink to get your face on TV and the news papers, then your agenda is not educating, and actually bringing abortion to an end. Some folk make big money off of this issue. Some "leaders" have carved out a seat of power, and use pro-life as a cash cow. The best way to discern the difference, is to see if they serve, or demand to be served. The best example of both are, Troy Newman of ORW. He is a true servant of the cause. He is not a self promoter, and is very generous with the assets the Lord has given him stewardship over. Mark crutcher of LDI is another servant who has made it posible for me to reach several with I AM A PERSON on this forum. LDI is also very generous with materials. They send us a "care package" for our fair both. The worst of the worst is Operation Save America. Flip benham thinks he is the pope of all things pro-life. They have done great harm to pro-life in general, and walk right over the efforts of local groups. This group is led by a bunch of back stabbing rattle snakes, who care more about their perverted take on the gospel, than saving babies. They are a dominionalist personality cult, who care more about thier self imposed authority, than equiping the individual for the fight. They are very good in decieving people and hidding their true agenda. They are to be avoided at all cost. I do not believe in unity for unity sake. We need to quit blindly following "leaders" particularly when the are as dishonest as OSA. The best way to avoid all this mess, is to not be numbered with any group. When you go to the streets, go as an individual citizen exersizing your free speach rights. Be an enabler. Get the life saving seeds of I AM A PERSON infront of as many eyes as you can, and in as many hands as you can. Freely you have been given, freely give. Be a servant, not a lord. Be a mountain sheep with horns and a will to fight, not a domesticated sheep led to the sheerers and the slaughter. Question everything, and if a so called leader gets offended that you would dare question their "authority" run from them. Their agenda is not saving babies, but putting you under subjection, and making a living off of you. The only authority you have to be worried about, is the Lord Jesus Christ, and your local police department. Stay with in those bounderies, and you win everytime.

reply from: nykaren

Yes, these sure sound like the words of a man surrendered to the Lordship of Christ.
God loves homosexuals and Jesus died on the cross for them every bit as much as He did for you and I. Whether they repent and accept His love is entirely up to them as individuals. Please don't try to justify your hatred by saying God hates them. That is biblically unsound. Try reading John 3:16 for starters. "For God so loved the world" includes everyone, whether you happen to like them or not.

reply from: pookiy1980

Geez I feel like I am back in elementary school!!
The names WOW! rectum rippers?? Oh yeah I forgot heterosexual people do not engage in "rectum ripping"
Point is no matter if you were able to tell what your unborns' sexual preference is that does not mean abortion is ok. That would be the same as saying it is ok to abort because the child is a boy, or mixed race....
As far as where/how someone becomes/is Gay does not have anything to do with the abortion debate. So many politicians want to worry about Gay people and focus so much attention on Gay marriage or not allowing them to raise kids...yet sweep the fact that babies are being killed daily. I guess this is a way to keep the blinders on many Americans. I think the money and effort going to not allowing Gay people to have the same rights as straight couples needs to be going to the legal murders.

reply from: 4given

Jesus suffered and died for the sins of the whole world. God despises the wickedness of man- hates the sin, but loves the sinner.

reply from: yoda

That's fine. But what if a homosexual persons says that abortion is okay EXCEPT when it's being done because someone thinks the baby will be a homosexual? Do you see the hypocrisy there?

reply from: faithman

Yes, these sure sound like the words of a man surrendered to the Lordship of Christ.
God loves homosexuals and Jesus died on the cross for them every bit as much as He did for you and I. Whether they repent and accept His love is entirely up to them as individuals. Please don't try to justify your hatred by saying God hates them. That is biblically unsound. Try reading John 3:16 for starters. "For God so loved the world" includes everyone, whether you happen to like them or not.
You pervert God's word, and pick scripture out of it's context. You are the one who destroys the Word, and the Christian faith to promote your hatred of the womb child. SSSSOOOOO lets look at the total context of the scripture you quoted, shall we?Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

reply from: nykaren

Yes, these sure sound like the words of a man surrendered to the Lordship of Christ.
God loves homosexuals and Jesus died on the cross for them every bit as much as He did for you and I. Whether they repent and accept His love is entirely up to them as individuals. Please don't try to justify your hatred by saying God hates them. That is biblically unsound. Try reading John 3:16 for starters. "For God so loved the world" includes everyone, whether you happen to like them or not.
You pervert God's word, and pick scripture out of it's context. You are the one who destroys the Word, and the Christian faith to promote your hatred of the womb child. SSSSOOOOO lets look at the total context of the scripture you quoted, shall we?Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So you don't believe Christ's death on the cross was as much for homosexuals as it was for you??
My scripture was not taken out of context. I clearly stated that it is up to the individual to repent and accept God's forgiveness. But God loves that individual no matter what. He does not hate gays. He will send them to hell if they don't repent, same as He would you if you don't repent of your sins. No difference. You and I are no better than they are.

reply from: pookiy1980

That's fine. But what if a homosexual persons says that abortion is okay EXCEPT when it's being done because someone thinks the baby will be a homosexual? Do you see the hypocrisy there?
Yes I do.
Same difference a white person saying abortion is OK unless the baby is white.

reply from: yoda

That's fine. But what if a homosexual persons says that abortion is okay EXCEPT when it's being done because someone thinks the baby will be a homosexual? Do you see the hypocrisy there?
Yes I do.
Same difference a white person saying abortion is OK unless the baby is white.
Exactly. Well, if I'm not mistaken, that was the whole idea of this thread. There are some gay proaborts who will say exactly what I suggested, and we ought to call them on it.

reply from: faithman

That's fine. But what if a homosexual persons says that abortion is okay EXCEPT when it's being done because someone thinks the baby will be a homosexual? Do you see the hypocrisy there?
Yes I do.
Same difference a white person saying abortion is OK unless the baby is white.
Exactly. Well, if I'm not mistaken, that was the whole idea of this thread. There are some gay proaborts who will say exactly what I suggested, and we ought to call them on it.
THANK YOU!!!

reply from: coco

I have NEVER heard of RECTAL RIPPING Fman, oh fman, why do you ALWAYS have to call people names?? Just wondering?

reply from: faithman

A way of holding on to my sanity in this maddness? Letting the bortheads know just how evil and depraved scum suckers that they are? Pro-borts always expose themselves when you poke um a little.

reply from: coco

Fman you have some issues, I hope you resolve them!!

reply from: yoda

You're quite welcome!

reply from: faithman

The main one being killing womb children, and I pray for resolution everyday.

reply from: yoda

The main one being killing womb children, and I pray for resolution everyday.
Same here. If only we could resolve that one, I'd forget about all the others.

reply from: faithman

The main one being killing womb children, and I pray for resolution everyday.
Same here. If only we could resolve that one, I'd forget about all the others.
...and I would never have to insult the englash maygors wiff mi badd spelin anie mor.

reply from: whydeath

That is flippen CRAZY!! After all the and continued struggle among the gay and lesbian community something like this is going to come out??
My goodness this is about as insane as the Chinese saying abortion is ok(and mandatory) when the baby is a girl.

reply from: faithman

That is flippen CRAZY!! After all the and continued struggle among the gay and lesbian community something like this is going to come out??
My goodness this is about as insane as the Chinese saying abortion is ok(and mandatory) when the baby is a girl.
The only thing the perverts struggle with, is how many they gonna sleep with this week, or what public rest room to act out in. It has already come out. Try gays for life on a web search.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: MoonLady

Faithman's original post:
"What about womb gay rights? Should a woman be allowed to kill a child because it is geneticly gay? Are we to allow the genetic flaw of fagdom to be an excuse for killing a pre-born?"
Yodavater's most recent post:
"Well, if I'm not mistaken, that was the whole idea of this thread. There are some gay proaborts who will say exactly what I suggested, and we ought to call them on it."
Are you saying that some gays and lesbians believe that abortion should be allowed to prevent the birth of gay children? And do you believe that being gay is a "genetic flaw?" Most importantly, are one or both of you actually saying you approve of abortion to avoid the birth of "gay babies?"
What about aborting male fetuses tested in utero and found to have the extra chromosome that is thought to cause violent behavior? You know, as a public service to women, so that abuse, rape, assault and murder can be prevented.
Too bad there isn't a genetic test to predetermine child molestors. For every future molestor aborted, anywhere from one to fifty children could be saved from horrible attacks.

reply from: FaithWithoutWorksIsDead

First of all.
I think Yoda and FM have been VERY clear they don't condone abortion in ANY situation, so why did you bother to ask?
Secondly, If women can abort for any reason, why would it be wrong to abort JUST BECAUSE the child is gay? I mean, come on. The kid has black hair, abort him. The kid has blonde hair blue eyes, abort him. The kid will be short, abort him. The kid is gay.....well? come one now. Its all about womens rights right?
Now I hope there was sarcasm in your voice when you spoke of abortion future child molestors.
Because I think you have made the claim to be a christian...and umm...That is totally PLAYING GOD.
You don't have the right on ANY level to deprive someone of life because what they may or may not do. Not to mention then why not kill lower-income family babies? Why not kill babies that are children of rapists.
Hell, why not kill the BORN people with those genes?!
No.
Abortion is wrong because it kills. No matter who it kills, it kills.
You cannot justify it.

reply from: yoda

I don't really follow you.... was that sarcasm?

reply from: yoda

No.
As unlikely as this may sound, you have it exactly backwards.
The principle behind this thread, as I understand it, is that IF a genetic basis for homosexuality was ever found, then many homosexuals who otherwise support abortion rights would NOT support abortions done to kill babies who were believed to be homosexual. IOW, they would make an "exception" for homosexual babies.... and be shown to be hypocritical in the process. In point of fact, I have seen some abortion supporters say exactly that on some forums.

reply from: faithman

No.
As unlikely as this may sound, you have it exactly backwards.
The principle behind this thread, as I understand it, is that IF a genetic basis for homosexuality was ever found, then many homosexuals who otherwise support abortion rights would NOT support abortions done to kill babies who were believed to be homosexual. IOW, they would make an "exception" for homosexual babies.... and be shown to be hypocritical in the process. In point of fact, I have seen some abortion supporters say exactly that on some forums.
Moonie knows she has been had, and is simply trying to confuse what was said. I am totally for womb gay rights, as I am for all womb child rights.

reply from: Banned Member

I will say this...
In a hypothetical argument with pro-choice/abortion activists that were also in favor of gay rights, I asked them, "what if a woman could abort based on the possibility of diagnosing homosexuality?" Their response was righteous indignation. How dare anyone abort for that reason? And yet as long as they avoided any humanization of the unborn they were all for killing unborn children.
Putting a face on the unborn child (any face at all) makes even the hardest pro-abortion advocate uncomfortable.

reply from: yoda

Keep right on asking that question, Augustine.... over and over and over.... make them as indignant as possible, as often as possible!

reply from: whydeath

That is flippen CRAZY!! After all the and continued struggle among the gay and lesbian community something like this is going to come out??
My goodness this is about as insane as the Chinese saying abortion is ok(and mandatory) when the baby is a girl.
The only thing the perverts struggle with, is how many they gonna sleep with this week, or what public rest room to act out in. It has already come out. Try gays for life on a web search.
Is this a post on gay's and their rights or abortion?
Faithman, how many Gay or Lesbian friends do you have? I have many G&L friends and yes some are like some heterosexuals and "struggle with who they are going to sleep with" but there also G&L's who are commited to each other like some heterosexuals are.
What does your feelings on G&L's have to do with the abortion topic?

reply from: faithman

That is flippen CRAZY!! After all the and continued struggle among the gay and lesbian community something like this is going to come out??
My goodness this is about as insane as the Chinese saying abortion is ok(and mandatory) when the baby is a girl.
The only thing the perverts struggle with, is how many they gonna sleep with this week, or what public rest room to act out in. It has already come out. Try gays for life on a web search.
Is this a post on gay's and their rights or abortion?
Faithman, how many Gay or Lesbian friends do you have? I have many G&L friends and yes some are like some heterosexuals and "struggle with who they are going to sleep with" but there also G&L's who are commited to each other like some heterosexuals are.
What does your feelings on G&L's have to do with the abortion topic?
What about womb gay rights? Should a woman be allowed to kill a child because it is geneticly gay? Are we to allow the genetic flaw of fagdom to be an excuse for killing a pre-born?

reply from: whydeath

I don't really follow you.... was that sarcasm?
Sorry, what I mean is the G&L community has and still is fighting for so much still. Like the right to be a couple legally, or be on their partner's insurance plans. So they are going to protest for these rights yet say abortion is OK except when the plan is to abort d/t their sexual preference.
I guess that still did not come out right

reply from: whydeath

That is flippen CRAZY!! After all the and continued struggle among the gay and lesbian community something like this is going to come out??
My goodness this is about as insane as the Chinese saying abortion is ok(and mandatory) when the baby is a girl.
The only thing the perverts struggle with, is how many they gonna sleep with this week, or what public rest room to act out in. It has already come out. Try gays for life on a web search.
Is this a post on gay's and their rights or abortion?
Faithman, how many Gay or Lesbian friends do you have? I have many G&L friends and yes some are like some heterosexuals and "struggle with who they are going to sleep with" but there also G&L's who are commited to each other like some heterosexuals are.
What does your feelings on G&L's have to do with the abortion topic?
What about womb gay rights? Should a woman be allowed to kill a child because it is geneticly gay? Are we to allow the genetic flaw of fagdom to be an excuse for killing a pre-born?
NO Faithman that is my point it is crazy one would agree it is ok to abort for this (or any) reason.

reply from: yoda

Some of them do, yes. And it is that very "craziness" the totally illogical nature of that position that we need to drive home to them at every opportunity. Call them out on it, expose their hypocrisy at every opportunity.

reply from: Banned Member

In a nutshell...
Homosexuals who cannot have children of their own, support the right of heterosexual women to kill their unborn children, as long as those unborn children are not gay.
Yeah, that's perfectly logical...

reply from: faithman

OK folks... here is my point. Radical homo's say that butt busting is genetic. If they ever prove that, and they develope a test to determan that a womb child is gay, would a woman have the right to abort a child on the basis of it being gay? As it is now, it would be legal to abort a womb gay. If a homophobe were to suck the brains out of a born gay, it is a hate crime. For mommy dearest to have the brains sucked out of the womb gay, it is her right.

reply from: coco

You have a way with words fman has anyone ever told you that??

reply from: MC3

As we have seen on this thread, the pro-choice gang is uncharacteristically mute when asked whether it should be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child solely on the basis that the child has the "gay gene."
While we wait for them to rediscover their voices, let's recognize the possibility that genetics may one day explain other aspects of personality as well. This is not at all farfetched and some scientists in this field have already speculated that there may indeed be a genetic basis to explain why people embrace certain political ideologies.
So imagine that someday in the not-too-distant future, a conservative organization launches a national campaign to encourage - not force or require, simply encourage - pregnant women to kill any fetus they are carrying who is identified as having a politically liberal genetic marker. The question is, would the pro-choice mob have any problem with aborting every child who might grow up to support mandatory public education, subsidized daycare, national healthcare, the Equal Rights Amendment, animal-rights, environmentalism, anti-war activism, etc? What about aborting every child who has a genetic tendency toward atheism or goddess worship?
Should it be legal to rip these babies to shreds only because of their potential political leanings, or will the pro-choice position be that the only women allowed to abort are those who say they are doing so for no particular reason?
As you contemplate this, remember that there was a time when protecting the disabled was an integral part of the liberal agenda. Of course, we now know that when that effort conflicted with the abortion license, the Choice Mafia quickly threw the disabled under the bus. The inevitable result has been that American society has now devolved to the point where abortion is considered the default position for women carrying a child with even the most insignificant abnormalities. In today's brave new world, if a new mom delivers a handicapped baby it won't be long before people start asking her, "Didn't your doctor tell you about this while you were still pregnant?"
And don't for a moment pretend that you do not know the implication behind that obscene question or whether the people asking it are pro-life or pro-choice.
So again, the question is whether it should be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child solely on the basis that he or she has the "gay gene?" Any takers?

reply from: faithman

I am not, and actually dispise, conservatism. I am a classic liberal. The problem is that what is passed off as being liberal is actually social progressive. The communist movement of the early 20th century wormed their way into liberalism and changed it's face totaly. A clasic liberal means to be a free man. To look at an issue from both sides of an argument, and make an educated discission based upon the information at hand. A classic liberal will be pro-life. We believe in the princaples our classic liberal for fathers, who founded our country on. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We believe that we are only as strong as the weakest link in the chain. If we do not protect the rights of the weakest, then despotism is right around the corner. Both sides of this issue are being used as useful idiots by politicals. "conservatives" are being used by power hungry corperations that are selling out the constitution for global profits. They only give "pro-life" lip service for their vote, and then throw a few incramental crumbs, and empty laws to apease the fund raising efforts of "leaders". The "liberals" are the useful idiots of one world goverment types, that despise any true liberty of the individual. They are nothing more than repackaged comunist. Any body who believes in the foundational princaples of our nation, will look at the scientific evidence of life in the womb, and see a vunerable little person, who is includded in our constitution 40 words into the pre-amble. Classic liberals know that our rights come from our Creator, and government is the guardian, not the origin of our liberties. Classic liberals know that liberty actually means to be free from evil, not freedom to do it. That is why we have the rule of law.We also understand that the power to have a 1st amendment is found in the 2nd. By and large, "pro-life" is a useless bill of goods designed to fail. It is nothing more that an endless PR war that makes a healthy living for a few, on the donations of the well meaning. We don't need anymore organizations. If you do a net search, you will find that over 30 million dollars a year is donated to "pro-life". I think it is a sick testamony that the only thing we have gotten in return is meaningless laws, and glossy beggar sheets begging for more moey to keep the salaries, and luxury suites paid for. If this is to end, it will be when the individual person looks at this honestly. Sees the little person who will die by the thousands today, and say no more. The only hope I see for a peaceful end, is the fiber optic photos, and ultra sound. If only a small pinch of the pro-life dollar were invested in I AM A PERSON posters and cards, this issue would end very quickly. If all America sees is the idiots of OSA herding their pro-life carnaval from one media event to the next, middle america will not get involved, and remain silent. When we give them a place to partisipate we win everytime. And the media will play the live fotos on the evening news. We can continue to dip our pro-life paint brush in the marginalizing bucket of OSA radicalism, Or abondon the personality cult tactics of those who have made a cottage industry out of womb children rights, and arm every pro-lifer in America with the effectual materials of life in the womb. I have no other motivation in this issue, than stopping the slaughter. And I confidently throw the gauntlet down, and challenge anybody to show me anything that is more effective in winning hearts to the cause, and saving babies on such a massive, and across the board scale. I ain't seen it yet, and when I do, I most assuredly will start useing it. It is harder to kill someone you have to look in the eye.

reply from: JaysonsMom

I say no. We don't have the right to kill a child simply because we would disagree with his/her sexual preference. That issue would be between the child and God. I would certainly not abort my own child for any reason, I don't care if I was raped, if it was incest, if the child was deformed or retarded, or if the child was gay. I would love him/her unconditionally and leave the rest for God to judge.
Amy

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

I say no. We don't have the right to kill a child simply because we would disagree with his/her sexual preference. That issue would be between the child and God. I would certainly not abort my own child for any reason, I don't care if I was raped, if it was incest, if the child was deformed or retarded, or if the child was gay. I would love him/her unconditionally and leave the rest for God to judge.
Amy
In the context of "gay rights". Activists in a Florida community are asking for the resignation of a mayor who plans to eliminate sexual activity in public restrooms. They are saying "shame, shame" on the mayor. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56831

reply from: faithman

I say no. We don't have the right to kill a child simply because we would disagree with his/her sexual preference. That issue would be between the child and God. I would certainly not abort my own child for any reason, I don't care if I was raped, if it was incest, if the child was deformed or retarded, or if the child was gay. I would love him/her unconditionally and leave the rest for God to judge.
Amy
In the context of "gay rights". Activists in a Florida community are asking for the resignation of a mayor who plans to eliminate sexual activity in public restrooms. They are saying "shame, shame" on the mayor. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56831
I am not for gay rights. I am for womb gay rights. huge difference. But the article does make it clear that the radical gay agenda is making a big deal out of their "right" to suck one anothers penis in public. What a wonderful group!!! every family should be exposed to such behavior. And you know the parents send their young boys into the public restroom alone. What do they have to fear from such wonderful people who waller around in peed on floors to lick one anothers private parts?

reply from: faithman

Any city in America of any size at all has this problem. Bus stations and parks are dangerous places to use the restroom. I would say the minority carry on any kind of respectable life style. Most are alcohol drug addicted perverts that have multiple partners.

reply from: MC3

To clarify my earlier post, when I asked whether it should be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child if there is genetic evidence that the child may turn out to be gay, I was not directing the question toward pro-lifers. Obviously, those of us who are truly pro-life understand that there is never a reason that will justify killing an unborn child. So clearly, this question is only relevant to those who support legal abortion. The problem is, so far only pro-lifers have responded.
Let me start over.
If you are pro-choice, do you think it should be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child solely because the child may be carrying the "gay gene?"

reply from: faithman

Death skanks will never answere the question, because it exposes their hypocracy. We only get to kill those they deem unworthy of life.

reply from: 4given

In the context of "gay rights". Activists in a Florida community are asking for the resignation of a mayor who plans to eliminate sexual activity in public restrooms. They are saying "shame, shame" on the mayor. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56831
I am not for gay rights. I am for womb gay rights. huge difference. But the article does make it clear that the radical gay agenda is making a big deal out of their "right" to suck one anothers penis in public. What a wonderful group!!! every family should be exposed to such behavior. And you know the parents send their young boys into the public restroom alone. What do they have to fear from such wonderful people who waller around in peed on floors to lick one anothers private parts?
This is insane! I was reared for the most part in Florida and remember the vacations to the Keys and Daytona Beach.. and how uptight my mother always was w/ the whole scene.. My eldest son is 10, and I still make all 3 of them come into the women's room w/ me if there isn't a family restroom in whatever place we go to. It wasn't until recently that they asked to use the Men's room. I had them check to see if it was unoccupied 1st and stood outside the door impatiently until all three eventually emerged. I may be hyper protective, I have been accused of that- I still can't fathom and don't want to even attempt to- my sons walking in on gay sex- or any sex. especially gay sex in a public restroom. Homosexuals have the same rights as you and I- I can't imagine petitioning the mayor of a major city because I wanted my heterosexual rendezvous in the public restroom and he was in the way of it.. Gay rights are one thing, but to use the gay card when one wants special priveledges- that is ludacrous!

reply from: cali1981

Great question! So far, no answers.

reply from: DocQuack

Woah! Way to go FaithMan! Just when I thought we were starting to tame the monster, he brings up the world of "fagdom"! You're too much fun here.
I can only give my two cents. Before I was a quack, I used to suspect "faggery" to be a genetic issue and also behavioral because, of the "fags" I've seen in the world -- in youth through adulthood-- many started out as those creepy little boys we all knew on the playground. Others, you find out went poop pusher mostly by choice, intellectual environment, and hanging too much with other poop pushers. It becomes a kind of sophisticated culture to be poop pusher. That's more choice, but there were always those boys I remember who were, not just feminine, but really creepy. We all have feminine streaks. I actually have a very soft voice often confused for a woman on the telephone. In fact, I have used that at times to snooker men into giving me parts order discounts at times! They start flirting with me like some sultry-voiced woman, and so I go whore on them for insulting my manliness like that. Gets me parts and telephone order hardware sometimes at a pretty cut rate! But, I am no homo. Like Dubya, I just have my Choleric and Sanguine temperament streaks. Running in the family, our men often have soft voices, ill tempers, and gigantic cajones. That's all.
Then, there are the lesbos. Truth is that most men find them sexy and are not as hostile to them as we are to male homos. Why? Oh, it goes back to our bachelor party days; Back to our harem days and Old Testament temptations. What man isn't tempted at the thought of two gorgeous women all to himself. Only thing that truly bothers us about lesbos deep down I would have to say is that they don't like men. This is why men, in general, tend to be favorable to sexy bisexual women (who are more that way by choice) or, you know....the whole exploratory lesbian thing. It's like, "Hey, well, as long as you're into that, bring me home a sexy girl or two!"
Ah, the heathen world! But, then there are just those dykie dykes. You've all seen them. They're different and, just like the world of male "fagdom", you find some personality traits in common that aren't really a cultural or choice thing. With the "flamer" men, it's those voice inflections (learned), mannerisms (learned), etc. But, there's a weirdness long prior to that. A psychological, spiritual, and physiologic weirdness. Same for those dykie sort of girls who grow up weird, too.
FaithMan, I fully agree. This borthead attack upon "fagdom" in the womb is our moral high ground to exploit. Not just strategically ruthless, but as the right humanitarian position to take.
In regard to "choice" or "genetic", I can only say that, over the years, I have taken more of a quack view to the matter. My quack world doesn't even buy into "germ theory". We don't even look at disease in terms of genetic drivel. Those are components, yes. But, mostly, we see what ancient physicians always knew: that there is a spiritual dimension to life itself within the body. There is the body, the soul, and then a kind of glue that binds it all which is life. It is gone in the corpse after about a week in the grave. It is a spark of life -- that breath of God -- in all living things. The Orient calls that the Qi. The Egyptians called it the Ka. The Hindu calls it the Prana. The Homeopath calls it the Vital Force. It's a vitality and vital heat to life, indeed. Molecular vibration, absolutely. Scientists in India are working well with it and curing cancer to a degree our country isn't even looking at because the bortheads and physicians here are so corrupted. Greed, $$$$, drugs, embryonic stem cell research, biotech drivel.....all these things actually blockade true pursuit of medical science and real cure.
Sometimes I laugh that the M.D. fails to be a physician anymore because he abandoned Life long ago while all these voodoo quacks are growing very good at curing more and more each day because many are generally pro-life. You will find that most homeopaths are anti-abortion and anti-euthanasia. Why? Because it makes no sense. As far as mercy killing, we can do that with our strange drugs at any time. We can kill with just a drop and mysteriously, but mostly, in trying to actually cure to the very end with those odd drugs, you tend to alleviate patient suffering all the way to the last moment. I've sent suffering goats to the grave very peacefully before putting a bullet in the heads. I've alleviated death bed sufferings in animals very well and taken away the worst of pains in people, too. All that is possible without drugging up people on their deathbed. That's what is possible. Most people think that, if someone is dying, it has to be a horrible and painful thing. No, sometimes you can't fix people. But you can comfort them, alleviate suffering, and give them awake time to be with their families, pray, and prepare -- all without drugging them to sleep on Morphine and other pain killers. All that from the power of quack drugs we deal with. So, that's why we're against mercy killing. I don't know the overall anti-abortion nature of quacks in my field, but nobody really enters it unless generally pro-life, albeit many are "pro-choice".
From our perspective, disease (physical, mental, and spiritual) comes from a mixture of inherited streaks (genetics, but not just genes) and also acquired taints and damages in life, both accidental and by lifestyle choice. There is no separation of the three: mind, body, spirit. And, the issue of the spirit of life within is not the human soul! That's where all these New Agers are way off.
Where we direct the mind and heart, this impacts the soul, the sanity, and ultimately the physical health. In fact, it is one of the highest priority in prescribing quack drugs to a symptom set. You want to know: What does this patient love? Hate? What foods do they love or hate? What morals do they keep? What sexual perversions or excesses are going on with them? All these things we extract in interview. Other priorities are odd discharges from the body -- bleeding, pus, respiration, phlegm, urine, stool quality, etc. ...because these relate to the very core of one's vitality. If you've got the craps, you're usually weak. If you're bleeding, there's a major problem immediately, etc. Common sense prescribing.
These issues of loves, hates, preferences. The "fag" hates women, yet prefers men sexually, etc....those issues impact the mind, spirit, and the physical health. Homosexual behavior is not normal. It is not clean. It does terrible things to the rectum. Once you tear up the rectum, you're allowing in bacteria, fungi, fecal matter, undigested food, toxins, and yeast into the bloodstream. Virii like AIDS get in greatly that way more so than with man-to-woman vaginal contact. It's a filthy lifestyle to be a poop pusher! Medically insane. I don't want to get any more vulgar than that.
But, all these things are psychological abnormalities. Some inherited streaks among that "genetic" slot machine. But there's also an inherited spiritual streak -- an inherited taint and shape of the fire to life within that isn't the human soul; Just the color of life passed from one generation to the next; temperaments, streaks, "psora" Dr. Hahnemann called it; An "itch"; A tendency; A weakness. As with all mental disease, life and other disease then complicates that picture. Poor treatment, lack of treatment, further pathology...it all snowballs over time into a tangled web.
The bottom line is that what nobody argues much these days because it is unfashionable or forgotten is that most of the weird ones among "fagdom" -- the ones who are less "choice" and more born that way -- are simply cases of mental, physical, and spiritual illness. Homosexuality is a psychological and spiritual disorder, but far more complicated than any head-shrink can cure with his Freudian psychobabble. Because spirit takes precedence over the mind and body, pastors are able to "cure gays" more so than doctors. But, in the olden days, gays used to be considered treatable over time with sufficient compassion and medical attention, both psychiatric and medicinal.
For me, I have found Classical Homeopathy to be truly the most enlightened and moral view in regard to Homosexuality. They are not people to be hated as strictly a lifestyle choice nor given a pass from judgment as genetic cases. They are simply sick, sick people in need of treatment or, if no treatment, our sympathy. But, you don't allow that sickness to culturally infect society. You treat them as human beings. You care for them with no malice. You don't hate or hurt them as Christians. We joke about it, but calling them "fags" and "poop pushers" is like calling near-sighted kids "four eyes" or teasing fat kids and flat-chested girls. Ain't nice. Sometimes, when they're aggressive snots, they deserve to be slapped down like that, but, for the most part, these people are very ill among a mixture of no fault of their own and choice to linger that way. Other times, they are perfectly healthy and culturally made that way by choice.
Anyhow, that's my take on "fagdom", having no personal experience with it, of course. Just medical observation.
This one will really get their S&M leather panties in a wad: all that also means that you can medicate away much of "fagdom", particularly with quackadelic future drugs! Woo hoo. I can hear them cursing me now!
On the brighter side, if you can normalize "fags" by any means -- culturally, medically -- or just leave them be while not allowing them to evangelize the culture....there's no reason to destroy them in the womb. That is truly Nazi. That is what the Uber Faggots were doing in Germany back then. The Weimar Republic fell into great, great decadence and orgies. Among their orgies, the macho Germans grew angry over yielding to fagism because orgies only lead to rampant debauchery and ultimately homosexual acts. Having basically become SS poop pushers, this seems to have fueled Nazi anti-fagdom to new heights (Kinda like all these holy roller moslems -- or Christians, too!-- who crusade against society's evils with great zeal after having been a little to St. Augustine dipped among perverse mayhem).
Why oh why do the Liberals ever so hate fags that they want to kill them in the womb, Faith Man? Answer: Because they are predominantly fags who HATE THEMSELVES AND HATE THEIR LIVES.
There was a "Christian" organization I remember awhile back called "God hates fags". That's wrong. I know it's biblically correct in Old Testament times, but that's not Christ on earth with us. The borthead "faggots" are basically hating people who already hate themselves and want to kill more of THEMSELVES in the womb. You cure that and save babies by Christian loving the unborn baby "fag" and also the living "fags". And it can only be a moral high ground we seize ruthlessly if it is a sincere high ground taken based in seeing them as just suffering and sick human beings. Not normal; Not to be normalized, but just suffering and sick. Maybe not to be treated or medicated away if they don't want to be because it is a free country, but just not "tolerated" as normal and not so hated as abnormal.
...That, to me, is the most reasonable and enlightened course Christianity and America should go with the issue, IMHO.

reply from: DocQuack

Oh, I'm sorry, Faith Man. I miss the date on your thread opening because the previous poster dug it up and tossed it to the forum top.

reply from: faithman

Quite alright. I was going to anyway. This is a major crack in the gay borthead alliance. The bortheads have to stick to kill for any reason, and the gay's are faced with the consiquince of their neo- scientific excuse for their lude behavior.
Notice who niether borthead nor gay want to answere the question?
Would it be right for a woman to abort her child simply because it had the gay gene? In that reguard, I am totally for womb gay's right to life.

reply from: DocQuack

Well, separate from the issue of "fagdom" and anyone's opinion on their lifestyle or societal evils, an innocent, unborn child is simply not gay. He or she may have inherited streaks for it. They may have a great potential for it, but that does not mean they will be that. They have a Right to Life as anyone else, whether gay in adulthood or not. And, as womb-children, they are NOT gay in action. They are all just babies.
I think it a good thing to point out as PP hypocrisy, but gays are not eager to align with Conservatives and Christians...that's for sure! I think it excellent ammo to throw at PP propaganda. At the same time, you will not find many Christians and Conservatives or sane men eager to go prance in the streets for homo rights! If only from desire not to be suspected homos. Stuff like that.
Let's look at it another way: Children born with maybe an extra Y chromosome. The FaithMans of the world!! Prone to violence, savagery, and evil at every opportunity. Certain to give birth to FaithBoys of the world. I myself know how it goes coming from bad genes of every savage, great saint, great devil, good kings, fallen kings, great knights, and fallen knights of Christendom. That Vikinggoddess chick worships her Woden gods while my bloodline comes from Woden and all sorts of unruly Vikings, too. That mixed with other savages and Scottish. Then, worst of all: the Irish!! Yuck. Mixed with mean Spanish, too. Then Pacific savage blood all the more. Head-hunting cannibal savage blood just a few centuries ago, my friend. You wanna talk about bad blood, psora, and genes?! I got em'. You gots em! Should we have been aborted in the womb, too? Do not we have an equal Right to Life? Do not the gays? Even the Nazis and Hitler had a right to be born as babies. God just loves babies. That's all.

reply from: AshMarie88

How is being gay a "genetic flaw"?

reply from: faithman

Any genetic mutation is a flaw, and detrimental to the survival of the organism. Simple science fact, unless it gets in the way of secular humanist socialist indotrination of children of course. I am sorry your mind has been so damaged by it that you refuse to see the truth. For one thing the flaw has not been discovered yet, and I personaly doubt that it ever will, because it is science myth of the pervert agenda. But I am willing to give shadow of doubt, and say that if the flaw is proven to exist, that womb children should not be killed simply because they possess it. Now put your little politically corect agaenda aside, and stick the the question , and quit trying to misdirect the issue. Should a woman be able to kill a womb gay based on the fact they have the genetic flaw of fagdom?
How aboput it bortheads? Should the Phelps family be able to abort their young because they would be faggs?

reply from: 4given

Q]Originally posted by: faithman
What about womb gay rights? Should a woman be allowed to kill a child because it is geneticly gay? Are we to allow the genetic flaw of fagdom to be an excuse for killing a pre-born?
No.

reply from: faithman

Any genetic mutation is a flaw, and detrimental to the survival of the organism. Simple science fact, unless it gets in the way of secular humanist socialist indotrination of children of course. I am sorry your mind has been so damaged by it that you refuse to see the truth. For one thing the flaw has not been discovered yet, and I personaly doubt that it ever will, because it is science myth of the pervert agenda. But I am willing to give shadow of doubt, and say that if the flaw is proven to exist, that womb children should not be killed simply because they possess it. Now put your little politically corect agaenda aside, and stick the the question , and quit trying to misdirect the issue. Should a woman be able to kill a womb gay based on the fact they have the genetic flaw of fagdom? How aboput it bortheads? Should the Phelps family be able to abort their young because they would be faggs?

reply from: RedTaintedRose

ROFLMAO.. and you will test this how? You'd be pathetic if you weren't so dammed funny...

reply from: 4given

ROFLMAO.. and you will test this how? You'd be pathetic if you weren't so dammed funny...
The question was and is hypothetical.. If you were not as pathetically void of understanding and humanity, One may find humor in your complacence.

reply from: faithman

Any genetic mutation is a flaw, and detrimental to the survival of the organism. Simple science fact, unless it gets in the way of secular humanist socialist indotrination of children of course. I am sorry your mind has been so damaged by it that you refuse to see the truth. For one thing the flaw has not been discovered yet, and I personaly doubt that it ever will, because it is science myth of the pervert agenda. But I am willing to give shadow of doubt, and say that if the flaw is proven to exist, that womb children should not be killed simply because they possess it. Now put your little politically corect agenda aside, and stick the the question , and quit trying to misdirect the issue. Should a woman be able to kill a womb gay based on the fact they have the genetic flaw of fagdom? How aboput it bortheads? Should the Phelps family be able to abort their young because they would be faggs?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Wow. Sexist AND a homophobe?

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

In school, I was taught that the lower digestive system is not part of the reproductive system. The vagina has a thick many celled wall meant for coitus. The lower intestine was designed to serve as part of the digestive system, not reproductive system. The lower intestine has a thin wall that is meant to absorb liquids and pass them into the blood stream. Diseases such as AIDS, hepatisis and others can easily enter the bloodstream based on the profane activity referred to as sodomy. Sodomy can tear the intestinal walls and result in incontinence. Sodomy is a course for death, proper sexual relations is a course for life. Even in proper sexual relations, we abstain from sexual intercourse during menstruation based on the biblical cleanliness laws.
Homosexual acts are the filthy result of a depraved mind.

reply from: yoda

Wow. Idiot who knows how to type, but not how to make any sense.... and just attacks other posters???

reply from: faithman

Any genetic mutation is a flaw, and detrimental to the survival of the organism. Simple science fact, unless it gets in the way of secular humanist socialist indotrination of children of course. I am sorry your mind has been so damaged by it that you refuse to see the truth. For one thing the flaw has not been discovered yet, and I personaly doubt that it ever will, because it is science myth of the pervert agenda. But I am willing to give shadow of doubt, and say that if the flaw is proven to exist, that womb children should not be killed simply because they possess it. Now put your little politically corect agenda aside, and stick the the question , and quit trying to misdirect the issue. Should a woman be able to kill a womb gay based on the fact they have the genetic flaw of fagdom? How aboput it bortheads? Should the Phelps family be able to abort their young because they would be faggs?


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