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A pro-choicer's idea of sympathy.

by: AshMarie88

How come a pro-choicer's idea of sympathy towards women involves the killing of those women's children?

reply from: MoonLady

Could you please supply a quotation, citation or explanation of what you are trying to ask? It doesn't make much sense.

reply from: faithman

When your mind is hardened by advocating the destruction of the womb child, it dose not suprise that it wouldn't make sence to a pro-death skank.

reply from: AshMarie88

For example, someone used this on me earlier; "I believe it were one of your children, and your daughter was raped and became pregnant you would be a little more symapathic."
My reply; "And if I ever had a daughter, I WOULD be sympathetic. However, letting her have an abortion isn't my idea of being sympathetic."

reply from: yoda

I wonder how that conversation would go........ "Oh dear, I feel so sorry for you and all you've been through, let's go and get someone to kill your baby and that'll make you feel better!"

reply from: AshMarie88

I wonder how that conversation would go........ "Oh dear, I feel so sorry for you and all you've been through, let's go and get someone to kill your baby and that'll make you feel better!"
Ugh, I know. I keep telling this woman I would not tell my daughter to abort, or even "allow" her to abort. I would let her get help elsewhere, not at an abortion clinic (which offers no help at all).
I wouldn't allow any "doctor" to come at my child and grandchild with a deadly weapon.

reply from: MoonLady

Obviously, any woman who has been raped needs good psychological counseling. She should NOT be automatically expected to abort if she is pregnant.
If it was your daughter who became pregnant through rape, would you prefer to keep the child and raise it or give it up for adoption (assuming that the daughter is a minor who cannot make her own legal decisions)?
What is the rapist was never caught and his name never found? What is he was of a different race or had a prison record or had venereal disease? Would any of this change your mind about aborting the child?
Thankfully I have never had to face this situation and I really don't know what I would have done as an adult. If I had been underage, my parents would have definitely sent me away and made me get rid of any mixed-race child (adoption). I can assure you of that because there simply were no biracial children living in our area back then. Both our churches and schools were lily-white until the early 1970s and the "N" word was used all the time, so having a half-black baby would have been the height of shame and embarassment for any girl, her parents and her church.
However, abortion is NOT the answer to rape-caused pregnancy unless the woman is too emotionally or physically damaged to carry the pregnancy without committing suicide or causing further harm to her body.

reply from: AshMarie88

If it was your daughter who became pregnant through rape, would you prefer to keep the child and raise it or give it up for adoption (assuming that the daughter is a minor who cannot make her own legal decisions)?
Either or, just as long as the child wasn't killed.
What is the rapist was never caught and his name never found? What is he was of a different race or had a prison record or had venereal disease? Would any of this change your mind about aborting the child?
One, if the rapist was never caughter, then there's not much to do about it.
Two, I don't care if the man would be of another ethnicity (I HATE the term "race"), it's a child no matter what.
It doesn't matter WHO he would be, the child is not him.
And no, none of those would change my mind.
Thankfully I have never had to face this situation and I really don't know what I would have done as an adult. If I had been underage, my parents would have definitely sent me away and made me get rid of any mixed-race child (adoption). I can assure you of that because there simply were no biracial children living in our area back then. Both our churches and schools were lily-white until the early 1970s and the "N" word was used all the time, so having a half-black baby would have been the height of shame and embarassment for any girl, her parents and her church.
Well, most days today, while there is still racism, it's not as bad as it was back then. I'm unfortunate to have some but very little racist family, tho.
I have lots of interracial family and friends. And actually, I'm almost in an interracial relationship myself.
It wouldn't matter to me what color the child would be.
However, abortion is NOT the answer to rape-caused pregnancy unless the woman is too emotionally or physically damaged to carry the pregnancy without committing suicide or causing further harm to her body.
"Unless"? There's NO reason at all that abortion has to be the answer to any rape pregnancy.

reply from: faithman

Whether they are borned Or pre-born. Yes killing children is ugly.

reply from: Teresa18

No, it's most certainly not. The first 9 months of the child's life in the womb are pretty much a "free for all". A woman can drive to any "clinic", and have her child butchered or birthed dead for about $400.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I can just hear that conversation now...... (abortion has been outlawed, except for threat to life, including suicide)
Caller: Say, can I get an abortion today?
PP clerk: Well, I don't know, there's this new law, you know......
Caller: Oh, well, are there any exceptions?
PP clerk: Actually yes, are you suicidal, or are you willing to say you are?

reply from: yoda

Well, Andrea is in an institution until someone can bribe a doctor to say she's recovered..... Susan is probably making money turning tricks for the guards....
But only born children have any protection at all, as you well know, but love to lie about:
Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Main Entry: child 1 : an unborn or recently born person http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/child

MSN Encarta Dictionary: child [ (plural chil·dren noun 5. unborn baby
http://dictionary.msn.com/

Information Please: child -n., 8. a human fetus. http://www.infoplease.com/
American Heritage Dictionary: Child: 2. a. An unborn infant; a fetus. IDIOMS: with child Pregnant. http://www.bartleby.com/61/
Wordsmyth: The educational dictionary: Phrases: with child http://www.wordsmyth.net
Webster's Revised Unabriged Dictionary: Child: To be with child, to be pregnant. -- the immediate progeny of human parents http://humanities.uchicago.edu/forms_unrest/webster.form.html
Main Entry: child Function: noun
1 : an unborn or recently born person
http://www.intelihealth.com/cgi-bin/dictionary.cgi?book=Medical&adv=0&cgi=1&t=9276&p=%7Ebr%2CRNM%7C%7Est%2C331%7C%7Er%2CWSRNM000%7C%7Eb%2C*%7C&WEB_HOME=%2FIH%2F&MIVAL=ihtIH&WEB_HOST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intelihealth.com&va=child&search.x=14&search.y=10

reply from: AshMarie88

It's not against the law to kill millions of children each year.
child /t?a?ld/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[chahyld] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun, plural chil·dren.
1. a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl.
2. a son or daughter: All my children are married.
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus.
5. a descendant.

reply from: AshMarie88

Dead people aren't medical waste.
YOU are deeply confused.

reply from: Carifairy

IF anyones daughter is raped, they do not need parental consent at all to have an abortion, she could easily bypass your consent with a trip to a judges chambers.
I believe that abortion is personal, and that not all women will choose abortion for rape or unplanned pregnancy.
Rape does not automatically mean you must have an abortion, obviously.

reply from: AshMarie88

If it's MY daughter that is raped, it's NO ONE ELSE'S decision to kill my grandchild.
My daughter would not be an abortionist's daughter, that abortionist would have NO business performing ANYTHING ON MY CHILD.
My child would need parental consent for ANY kind of "surgery" she'd be wanting.
Stay away from MY FUTURE CHILDREN.

reply from: AshMarie88

If you wanna give up your rights as a parent, that is fine, but don't force me to give up mine.
If it's MY future daughter that's involved, it's NO ONE ELSE'S decision to kill my grandchild. NO ONE has the choice to TAKE MY CHILD and GIVE HER AN ABORTION WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT.
My child would need MY parental consent for ANY kind of "surgery" she'd be wanting. Whether that is getting a tattoo, an earring, some other kind of ring, or whatever.
Until she is a LEGAL ADULT (18), I have the parental right to BE HER PARENT and be in her life.

reply from: Carifairy

ASHLEY.... NO, a minor can have an abortion without anyones consent, but they must have a judicial bypass first.
Did you not know this?
Most teens actually do. I know a few teens, with PL parents, that chose to bypass consent because their parents would not approve.

reply from: faithman

I personally know of four couples who traveled around the globe to adopt babies of any race. It didn't matter how they looked or what sex they were. They wanted children to raise and love. They had to leave the U.S. because of the long wait to adopt.
I don't think these couples would agree with you that having a bi-racial baby is a "shame"
Once again you are talking very rare cases 90 plus percent of abortion is done on a perfectly healthy child in a perfectly healthy mom for non medical reasons. Is it right for a mom to kill her child under those conditions? Is birth control abortionkilling an inocent child or not?

reply from: AshMarie88

You wanna bet my child would do that?
No courts have the right to tell my child she can abort, either.
My child is my child! End of story!

reply from: Teresa18

How dare you attack a man who has lost his CHILD! I'm so angry at your post and that article at this point, that I am literally at a loss for words. This was not a piece of medical waste. This was a tiny, 20 week old child. Look at this picture, and you honestly tell me if it in any way looks like medical waste to you:
http://www.caringpregnancycenter.net/20wk-1-5.jpg

Is this medical waste to you? This is who you donate to, people who support THIS:
http://blackgenocide.org/abortion/photo_20.jpg

The child was I'm sure cleaned up, and wrapped up. The family had their own personal funeral and way of saying goodbye. Children have been to many funerals over the years and seen the bodies in the casket. This was a tiny body, the body of their little brother who died. The children will not be scarred by seeing their little brother, even though he was no longer alive. I doubt they forced the children to kiss him. The children probably gave their little brother a kiss before he was buried. If your mother or father died, no one would fault you for kissing them after their death or spending time saying goodbye to their body at the wake and funeral. Faulting these people is horrible and hypocritical to say the least.

reply from: Teresa18

That's a good tactic, grandma. Many are misled and misinformed. They are told by abortion clinics that the child is nothing more than a blob of tissue. We know that to be false, however. We know the child is a person from the moment of conception, just developing and changing throughout the 9 months of gestation. Show them pictures of a child at whatever week of gestation they are at. If that doesn't stop them, show them pictures of what abortion does to children. Some will be shocked, and their eyes will be opened. Others, however, as we have seen on this forum fairly consistenly, don't seem to care. They can know exactly what their child looks like, and they can watch the child moving around on the ultrasound, but then they can proceed with the abortion. It's so sad that the latter group is subjecting their own children to a horrible death without regard for the child at all.

reply from: yoda

It's quite typical of genocidal types to describe certain human beings as "medical waste". Nazis described Jews as "vermin", and slave owners described slaves as "monkeys".
And in any case, it's much more humane to cuddle and kiss an unborn child than to rip it into pieces, or to pierce the back of it's head with a pair of scissors and suck it's brains out.
Genocidal sentiments will always be with us, unfortunately.

reply from: yoda

Of course it is!
And so is murder!

reply from: yoda

No one should ever be allowed to force their child to kill another innocent human being, PERIOD!
So you admit that unborn humans are children...... interesting....
And you favor killing unborn children anyway...... interesting.....

reply from: AshMarie88

Who said I'd ever force my daughter to do anything?
And until she is 18, like I said, she is MY responsibility and it's my right to dictate what she can and cannot do.

reply from: Carifairy

Ashley.. ALL I am saying is that LEGALLY teens have a right to have an abortion without your consent.
She could call the police and say "I am a pregnant teen, and I need a judicial hearing".
They would give it to her...

reply from: AshMarie88

And that's why the situation is so messed up.

reply from: AshMarie88

How about you learn to mind your own? Parent your own child, NOT mine.
Keep your hands off my future child.
My future child's business is also MY business until she turns 18. Like it or not, that is the way it goes. That's called parenting.

reply from: yoda

Atta girl, Ashley! Testify, sister!!

reply from: FaithWithoutWorksIsDead

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Nope. In virtually every state pregnancy confers emancipation.
She doesn't need your consent for an abortion.
Learn to mind your own business.
("Dictate?" Is it OK to force someone to have an abortion because she's under 18 and you feel entitled to "dictate" her actions?)
Wait wait..
Abortion is about women being able to be biologically EQUAL to men.
So we aren't abusing them and limiting them to being mothers and housewives.
Yet, men can't get pregnant...So we don't have that way to be able to emanicpate ourselves at a younger age. This gives women a CLEAR and DISTINCT biological ADVANTAGE above men. Thats not equality! So now (since abortion is ALL about equality, and an equality has to work for BOTH SIDES of the equation..) you are against underage girls being able to have abortions right? Or maybe you pro-aborts really aren't proabort for the reasons you claim you are.

reply from: FaithWithoutWorksIsDead

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What the hell are you babbling about?
Any underage man who gets pregnant in his teens has all the same rights as any woman who gets pregnant in her teens. I absolutely defend the right of any man to terminate any pregnancy he carries the same way I would defend the right any woman to do the same.
This is a test to see if you have a brain.
Lets see if I can lead you to a pretty simple realization that you pro-aborts miss.
first off, your an idiot. You are either absoultely unintelligent, or like a typical pro-abort you don't like the perfectly valid point put before you so you make a mockery of it and hope it goes away.
Now, get some balls and respond to what I said. And lets see if you can hold a semi-intelligent conversation.

reply from: NewPoster1

My idea of sympathy is to defend the right of a woman not to be forced to remain pregnant against her will.

reply from: NewPoster1

If you wanna give up your rights as a parent, that is fine, but don't force me to give up mine.
If it's MY future daughter that's involved, it's NO ONE ELSE'S decision to allow her to remain pregnant. NO ONE has the choice to TAKE MY CHILD and ALLOW HER TO CARRY HER PREGNANCY TO TERM WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT.

reply from: pookiy1980

Yes it is your job to be her parent....but you know you can not control everything your teen daughter does. The only way you can control and dictate her every move is to lock her up (hoping she does not sneak out the window). Please do not be nieve you are still young yourself. No, you may not do these things and sneak behind your parents backs but, I am 100% positive that others your age do.
You say that no MD can preform anything on your daughter but, BY LAW they can. Heck I went to the health dept as a teen for birth contol and they did a pelvic exam and to this day my parents do not know. This is not being told to tell you that your wrong or abortion is ok, just to state the fact that YES she can still have an abortion if she wanted. You lock her in her room be sure to take out any sharp objects as we have read of woman causing their own abortion...point is is a woman(teen) wants an abortion then yes legaly she can. All you(others who feel the same) can do is teach your daughter about abortion and being preg. exc.
I wonder if there has been any cases where a teen had judicial bypass to have an abortion then told her parents (who were against it)...if the parent would not let the daughter out of the house, held her hostage, took the MD to court.......

reply from: MoonLady

If your raped and pregnant daughter was 11 years old, 4'-9" tall and weighed 85 lbs., and three different OB/GYN specialists said that she would die from the pregnancy and birth, would you consider abortion to save her life? What if they said that not only would your daughter die, but the baby would not survive either?
Yes, I KNOW that this would be VERY rare, but I'm just curious.

reply from: yoda

Since you admit the extreme rarity of such a situation, perhaps you would say what you would do if your daughter of the same age and size wanted to keep her baby, and the doctor had no objections?

reply from: MoonLady

If I had ever had a daughter and she got pregnant at a young age, I would have done everything in my power to convince her to give up the baby for adoption. There really are very, very few 13 or 14-year-old girls who could take care of a baby and still graduate from high school without help from her parents (usually the mother) and I would not have been willing to raise another child.
Adoption is the best thing for babies born to young, immature girls. They can make a couple very, very happy and have another child or several more when they are grown up and married. It is the least selfish choice and the choice with the best chance of success.

reply from: yoda

My idea of sympathy is to defend the right of a woman not to be forced to remain pregnant against her will.
And you know of a way to end a pregnancy involving a non-viable fetus/embryo without killing the child?
No, I didn't think so. You just don't care about the child's life.

reply from: LetFreedomRing

Spinwiddy, would you tell Ashley to mind her own business if she said she wouldn't allow her children to swear? How about if she set up a curfew?

reply from: Stopkillingbabies

ADDRESSED TO CARIFAIRY-SICKO
BABY KILLER- REPENT
I'M SORRY YOU KILLED YOU THREE PRECIOUS CHILDREN, DO YOU LIE AWAKE AT NIGHT WONDERING WHAT THEY MAY HAVE BECOME? GUESS YOU'LL NEVER KNOW. IF I WERE YOU I WOULD ADMIT MYSELF INTO A PSYCH WARD BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO GRIP ON REALITY.
GET A CONSCIENCE!!!!!!!

reply from: JaysonsMom

Any parent should counsel their child, whether male or female, to understand that abortion is wrong. It is the ending of a life in a brutal manner. Teens will make their own choices, yes, aided by the law who will overrule a parent. I think that's wrong.

reply from: coco

I think just cause your children are mixed doesnt mean that you should abort is that what you are trying to convey? My children are mmixed and should I have aborted soley on that purpose?? I am OFFENDED, my panties are in a bunch to say the least

reply from: faithman

I think just cause your children are mixed doesnt mean that you should abort is that what you are trying to convey? My children are mmixed and should I have aborted soley on that purpose?? I am OFFENDED, my panties are in a bunch to say the least
"Race" is a fruit of evolution. It is also a foundation stone of abortion on demand. Evolution is a scurge on humanity, and has killed more than all other faith systems combined. It was the driving force behind genocide, slavery, and abortion on demand thru the eugenics movement. As long as we teach evolution in the schools, we will have instutional racism, and the excuse for abortion on demand.

reply from: 4given

New Hampshire recently became the first state to repeal the parental notification law, that would require minors seeking an abortion to get parental consent 48 hours prior to receiving an abortion.
http://www.wmur.com/news/13465175/detail.html?taf=man

reply from: coco

So do you think it is wrong for a teen to seek birth control pills without the consent of a parent???

reply from: yoda

And to accomplish this end, you support her right to have no sympathy at all for her unborn child and violently end it's life.
And of course, you have no sympathy for the dead baby either.
So much for "sympathy".

reply from: JaysonsMom

It IS her business because it's her child and she has a responsibility as a parent to raise that child up right. Maybe her idea of "right" differs from yours but THAT is none of YOUR business.

reply from: carolemarie

You wanna bet my child would do that?
No courts have the right to tell my child she can abort, either.
My child is my child! End of story!
Your child is not your property. As a parent there are overrides on our imput into the abortion decision. She can get a judicial bypass in many states and you would never know.
But since this is an imaginary daughter in an imaginary situtation it is really kind of a pointless discussion....
If you ever have children raise them pro-life so they won't want the other options.
Carole

reply from: faithman

Can anyone say home school? One of the most dangerous places to send a child is the public school system. Any parent who is truely concerned about safety, and secular humanist brain washing, of children should keep their children out of the secular humanist seminaries that pass them selfves off as educational institutions.

reply from: justinspellman

If she is your daughter and you can dictate what she does where were you while she had sex??

reply from: coco

you know what you cant dictate what your kids are going to do you could only teach them and cross your fingers that they listen to what they are taught. I think that adoption is a good choice instead of abortion, and I am not sure if you are "legally" able to stop your daughter from having an abortion if she chooses that route.

reply from: yoda

Kids do react to punishment and disapproval from their parents, especially when they are very young.
We can't just lecture them and then turn them loose, they need to be shown the right path, and feel the consequences of their actions.

reply from: Vikinggoddess

I want to know why PC people always want to punish someone other than the guilty party? What will they advocate next? Death by proxy to some deathrow guy they feel sympathy for?
Why should a child die for the crimes of the parent? In the case of rape, killing the child will in no way alieviate the situation! Hello! It can only make it worse.
Doesn't anyone see a problem with this?

reply from: coco

YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT, that is why PARENTS NEED to make time for thier children and let them know EVERYDAY (at least) that they LOVE them and wish the BEST for them and WANT to direct them to SUCCESSFULL, HAPPY lives!! But some parents are unable to do so because they RARELY see thier children.

reply from: yoda

Yes, we do.
Rape and incest are the only two crimes for which an innocent bystander is sometimes executed.

reply from: RedTaintedRose

If it was MY DAUGHTER (see two can play the capitalization game) then only SHE has the RIGHT to DECIDE what she WANTED done..STAY AWAY FROM MY CHILDREN!!!
They don't need your particularl brand of hatred while severly traumatized..
have a good night.

reply from: faithman

You are the hater scank. You hate womb children, and will use any excuse to murder them. NO ONE IS NEAR YOUR CHILDREN! You blurt out her private business in a public forum to condone the hate crime of abortion. You are the one who should stay away from children, seeings how they tend to die when monsters like you get next to em. There will come a day when monsters like you get the lethal injection you deserve. If not, you will have to face the God you don't believe in, then you will most assuredly pay for your hate crimes.

reply from: yoda

What a psychotic outburst. Who is talking about "getting near" your children???
Speaking of "hatred", how much hate does it take to electively kill an innocent baby?
How could anyone hold that much hatred for an unborn baby?

reply from: faithman

You are the hater scank. You hate womb children, and will use any excuse to murder them. NO ONE IS NEAR YOUR CHILDREN! You blurt out her private business in a public forum to condone the hate crime of abortion. You are the one who should stay away from children, seeings how they tend to die when monsters like you get next to em. There will come a day when monsters like you get the lethal injection you deserve. If not, you will have to face the God you don't believe in, then you will most assuredly pay for your hate crimes.

reply from: RedTaintedRose

faithfreak wrote:
You are the hater scank. You hate womb children, and will use any excuse to murder them. NO ONE IS NEAR YOUR CHILDREN! You blurt out her private business in a public forum to condone the hate crime of abortion. You are the one who should stay away from children, seeings how they tend to die when monsters like you get next to em. There will come a day when monsters like you get the lethal injection you deserve. If not, you will have to face the God you don't believe in, then you will most assuredly pay for your hate crimes.

YOur so cute when you beg...

reply from: 4given

Faithman was "begging for" what? Why did you not answer Yoda? Specifically: "how much hate does it take to electively kill an innocent baby? " I am curious. I truly do not understand how anyone, especially conscious of the facts of abortion.. could or would knowingly dismember their flesh and blood because their God-given gift was inconvenient? If it is not hatred, surely it is desperation lost to obvious callousness? Am I right? I am curious. I feel for the women faced w/ abortion, especially void of the reality. I feel more for a hurting generation and the anguished hour that our deprived future has been electively destroyed. Why do you think the way you do? Why do you support the ruthless dismemberment of our future? How does one come to that decision? I do not understand your "choice".

reply from: yoda

Abortion represents the highest level of violence available to humanity.
There is nothing in history that can be said to be "more violent" than the ripping apart of a living human being.

reply from: xLoki

[quote]There is nothing in history that can be said to be "more violent" than the ripping apart of a living human being.[/quote]
Not even tearing the skin off of a live animal for its fur? Not even bashing the heads of live baby seals? Not even leaving enormous gashes in the sides of animals we use for food as they violently bleed to death? How anthrocentric of you.
Most abortions aren't even performed on fetuses with cerebral cortexes or pain receptors.

reply from: xLoki

And animals who are tortured as I mentioned DO have the capability to feel pain, yet the person I quoted claims abortion is the most violent act in all of history? Psh.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Umm, do you even know what goes on in abortion? How the baby is dismembered without even having the chance to scream or cry? How its tiny little head is viciously ripped off, how the abortionist pulls out various parts of its body, one by one?
Animals are part of God's creation and are to be respected, but saying that the killing of an animal for meat is worse than the killing of a little child for purely selfish reasons is simply repulsive.

reply from: yoda

I was referring to "man's inhumanity to man", but you bring up an interesting point about the baby seals. I recall that photos of slaughtered baby seals were widely distributed by those wishing to stop the slaughter, with the red blood contrasted on the white snow. "Liberals" applauded the use of these photos, but now the same liberals denounce the distribution of photos of baby human beings who have been slaughtered.
Can you say "hypocrite"?

reply from: yoda

So, how would you rate the slaughter of babies?
How do you rank it, compared to other atrocities?

reply from: AshMarie88

As an animal rights person, vegetarian, AND pro-lifer, BOTH ARE HORRIBLE! EQUALLY HORRIBLE in my opinion!

reply from: yoda

Apparently, xLoki isn't going to comment. But it was apparent that s/he wasn't going to challenge the characterization of abortion as a "violent act", only as "the most violent act".
Yeah, I'd say ripping a baby apart is "violent".

reply from: crazypenguin

I don't think the abortionist is quite that sadistic.
It may seem violent when you think about it but it can't feel the pain. During most abortions the fetus isn't even sentient yet.

reply from: AshMarie88

Babies feel pain early in the pregnancy, and they ARE sentient.

reply from: AshMarie88

ALSO... pain or no pain, it doesn't mean something isn't violent. If you decide to shoot, torture, and cut up a born person who has no pain sensors at all, would you still call it violent? How about if they were in a deep sleep and had no idea what was going on around them? Still violent?
And yes, people who can't feel any pain at all exist and people in deep sleeps aren't sentient.

reply from: crazypenguin

I will find you proof in a moment that they aren't sentient.
Even if they couldn't feel pain, they are still sentient.
We do kill people in comas and deep sleeps. We take them off life support. In this case they aren't taking nutrients off anyone or living inside of anyone.

reply from: crazypenguin

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/dec/fetus-feel-pain/
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/health/24fetus.html?ei=5088&en=968cf2b5d486a3c6&ex=1282536000&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1190325437-OPbi3QHbcK8oYFcRURF0LQ

reply from: MC3

Without a doubt, the most compelling evidence to support my view that the pro-life movement is winning, are the asinine and moronic arguments being put forth today by the pro-choice mob. When these mental and moral midgets are reduced to concepts like "sentience" to justify their mass execution of an entire class of human beings, what they are saying is that every quasi-legitimate argument they ever had has imploded. They are now having to scrape the bottom of a really nasty barrel.
Perfect.

reply from: crazypenguin

The fact that they aren't sentient is a perfectly fine argument.
If you want to defend your side I like to debate.

reply from: MC3

Whether the unborn are or are not sentient is most certainly not "a perfectly fine argument" as you put it. It is actually an irrelevant argument. Even if it were possible to scientifically prove that the unborn is not sentient - which it is not - that still provides no moral justification for their execution. They are living human beings and what they are aware of or unaware of has no bearing on that.
Ironically, while you claim that it is okay to kill an unborn child because they are not sentient, the states take the opposite position regarding condemned prisoners. They will not execute someone unless he or she is sentient. In other words, according to one standard, it is only permissible to kill people who are not sentient, but according to another standard it is only permissible to kill people who are.
I guess the relevence of sentience is determined by what group of people are being targeted for execution.
And by the way, I am an opponent of the death penalty.

reply from: crazypenguin

Its not irrelevant. How else do you define humaness? They may be cellularly alive but so are a lot of things. They don't have brain function yet. Why is it wrong to kill an unthinking and unknowing fetus?
I'm opposed to the death penalty.

reply from: yoda

It amazes me that people post "opinions" here without the slightest idea of what they are talking about.
Did you ever think of using a dictionary? Did that ever cross your mind?
Being a creature with human parents QUALIFIES unborn babies for "humaness" (not really a word):
Information Please: http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0481706.html / hu'man be'ing 1. any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species
MSN Encarta Dictionary
http://dictionary.msn.com/ hu·man be·ing (plural hu·man be·ings) noun 1. member of the human species: a member of the species to which men and women belong. Latin name Homo sapiens

reply from: kayluvzchoice

How come a pro-lifer's idea of sympathy involves shouting "murderer", bombing abortion clinics, and harrasing women who have or will get an abortion?

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Webster's dictionary says sympathy means "sameness of feeling", "agreement in qualities, actions", "mutual understanding", "sharing of feelings", "a feeling of approval of an idea, cause".
I can tell you, I feel no sympathy towards killing children.
You are a murderer.

reply from: crazypenguin

Technically yes. But your definition would include anyone alive or dead, if the only criteria was to have human parents. Maybe humaness was not the right word. Probably not.
Why is it wrong to kill something that is only cellularly alive?

reply from: AshMarie88

"Only cellularly alive"? Please explain to me what you mean by this?

reply from: MC3

Give it up, AshMarie88. He can't define "cellularly alive" because such a term does not exist. It is just another tortured distortion of logic and language invented on the fly to justify the mass execution of innocent and helpless human beings. It is the kind of thing these morons have to do once it dawns on them that they have chosen to defend an indefensible position.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

We are made in the image of God. God says we are his children, his offspring. God created man to be like him. Jesus said, "Is it not written, I said, 'You are gods'?" God commands that we be love, even as he is love. It is inappropriate to kill a growing human being in the first weeks of life because God is making him/her to live in a loving ever-expanding kingdom. He or she is to be a brother/sister to many others and enjoy the life, love and eternal existence governing this very universe. Man shall bring life to the creation, and God is ready to share abundant joyful pleasurable life with men. Men were made to create, design, plan, judge and rule. We shall even be given authority over Angels. God says all things shall be put under man's authority, himself and the Christ excepted.
God is blunt, he made all things for his pleasure, we are to be his bond-servants, and his will will be carried out. He said he did not make the earth in vain, he made it to be inhabited, and the meek shall inherit it. That fetus that you are killing is meant to be a co-inheritor with Christ. A human being is a special creation by God. It is written that man shall liberate the creation from decay. Without us being put in charge, Murphy's Law (Second Law of Thermodynics) will apply, things will break down and decay (the whole creation will die).
We have the potential of something wonderful here, vibrant loving everlasting life. But you dwell in the gutter with your mind on death, "Why can't we just kill this growing entity."

reply from: crazypenguin

It has potential to be something, yes. But it has the potential to be evil as well as good. But the mother also has the potential to be something and having a baby can put a stop to that. If she is forced through pregnancy how likely is she to treat the child properly?
I don't believe in God.

reply from: crazypenguin

If it has no brain power than it is only cellularly alive.

reply from: crazypenguin

If it has no brain power than it is only cellularly alive.

reply from: AshMarie88

The pregnant woman IS something - a mommy.
And no, a baby doesn't have to put a stop to that. Just because women have babies, that doesn't mean their lives or potential for careers is over. It's a stupid thing to say.
No woman is "forced" thru pregnancy. Pregnancy is a natural process that takes a few months. That's not forced.

reply from: AshMarie88

Excuse me?
There's no such definition as "cellularly alive".
And something is either alive or it's not. Something can't be a little alive or half alive.

reply from: AshMarie88

You think pro-life takes away a woman's potential to be something...
Abortion takes away a child's potential to be something... PERMANENTLY!!

reply from: crazypenguin

If a 15 year old girl gets pregnant and kicked out of her house because of it this would seriously mess with her life. If someone gets pregnant through rape and are forced to carry if, even though it reminds them of a traumatizing incident and are psychologically traumatized that would mess with their life.
If abortion was illegal, then yes, women would be forced through pregnancies they wanted to terminate.

reply from: AshMarie88

1st of all, what's a 15 year old doing having sex in the first place? And not all parents would kick their kids out just for getting pregnant. Second, rape isn't the child's fault, so it shouldn't have to die for the pig rapist's crime. You don't sentence victims to die for someone else's crimes.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww women wouldn't be able to kill their babies, so sad!

reply from: yoda

How come proaborts ask such stupid questions???
How come proaborts tell such stupid lies when they are trying to slander prolifers, instead of trying to defend elective abortion?
Is it because you have given up on defending elective abortion, because you know it is a nasty, indecent, immoral thing?

reply from: yoda

What does it matter? Since when have you proaborts really cared which words you use, or whether they are "right"?
You can't do that, because there is no such thing as "cellularly alive". A creature is either alive or dead, there is no other biological state.

reply from: yoda

You pull these idiotic terms out of your butt, and then reach in a little deeper and pull out a "daffynition" for them?????
Keep it up, you are making all proaborts look like the fools they are.

reply from: yoda

And WHICH part of that is the fault of the baby???????
What exactly has the baby done to deserve to be killed by it's mother?????
Sure!! And parents are "forced" not to kill their born kids either, so maybe you want to repeal laws against killing born kids too, eh??? You don't want parents to be "forced" through parenthood, do you????
Seriously, you guys are scrapping the bottom of the barrel to come up with lame, silly excuses to kill babies..... and you're going to get splinters under your fingernails if you don't stop!!

reply from: crazypenguin

I agree that 15 year olds shouldn't be having sex. But its a fact of life that some do. No, not all parents will kick their kids out. But there are some that will.

reply from: yoda

And I repeat: what part of "15 year olds having sex" is the fault of the baby that may be created as a result?

reply from: donnajohnston

"Oh dear, I feel so sorry for you and all you've been through, let's go and get someone to kill your baby and that'll make you feel better!"
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with that. A fetus isn't a baby and doesn't think or feel any pain, so what are you really killing?

reply from: AshMarie88

I could ask you the same thing. If it's NOT a baby or NOT a human, WHAT exactly are you killing? YOU tell me...

reply from: carolemarie

Prolifers run pregnancy help centers to help women so they don't have to have an abortion. They pay rent, help with groceries, babysit and help long after the baby is born and will continue to help. We help with job training, tutoring and all kinds of practical help.
We do it because we care about the woman as much as that baby.
Grow up.

reply from: yoda

A baby.
Most prolifers here already know this, so this is for all you revisionist proabort baby killers:
ba·by [ báybee ] noun (plural ba·bies)
Definition:
1. very young child: a very young child who is not yet able to walk or talk
2. unborn child: a child who is still in the womb
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861695283

Don't believe me? Look it up yourself!


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