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Thanks faithman

and screw you

by: godless

I got the I am a person cards. I was at a freinds house the other night, when a freind who is a girl said she was pregnant, and had an apointment at
Planned Parenthood to "take care of the problem". I showed her the i am a person card, and she just couldn't believe that her 8 week old fetus was so developed. The kid was all broken down and crying about the fact that she almost killed her child by the end of the night. Needless to say, she canceled her apontment with the abortion clinic. Love the cards, but that faithman dude can go jump in a lake. I wished I could get some more of the cards from someone else so I didn't have to deal with the idiot. Does anyone know where I can get somemore? These things really work.

reply from: faithman

Eph 2:1 ¶ And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

reply from: bradensmommy

That is awesome that you saved a baby from being killed. Too bad you had to get the cards from NONfaithman though.

reply from: faithman

Exd 22:18 ¶ Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

reply from: galen

get a life FM and stop making threats.... unless you plan to back them up somewhere.... coward.
mary

reply from: faithman

...and just what threat did I make? And just where do you get off making a judgement to me being a coward? I thought judge not and all that? Oh put you are not accountable to what you place on others. Right?

reply from: galen

When you quote an entreaty to burn a witch to a known pagan that is a threat to her... I am not judging you i am calling you a name... a quite apt one as far as i can tell.... for all your posturing you have not gone after anyone with a gun nor killed nor maimed anyone in your life. So you are either a 12 yo boy posturing for his friends so he can seem like a mighty somebody. or you are hiding behinde false words and would never have the guts to do what you say..... what is it? If it is such a great thing to go out and kill abortionists then why are you not doing so right now?
Mary

reply from: faithman

So you judge my post of a scripture as a threat? Your name calling is most assuridly a judgement on your part. You make assumptions [which are judgements] against my charator with no proof to back them up, and then have the gaul to tell others to not judge? Do I have to crack a chest open to prove I believe in heart surgery?

reply from: galen

No you need to stop harrassing other members of this board and calling for thier death and distruction.
Mary
Did you forget to take your meds.?

reply from: JohnGlenn

I hear that there are bible verses on the card as well. Do you know what to do with them?

reply from: faithman

I did not call for anything. You judge me falsely. I merely posted a quote from a book you don't believe. So from that you can judge my intent?

reply from: galen

An inflamitary quote... one that any preacher worth thier salt would call you on...... Don't go all ' aw shucks i didn't mean it' on me or the others... we see you for what you are.
BTW if you haven't noticed it yet... i have used your tactics of condemnation and judgement and turned them around on you... you do not seem to like how it feels.
Mary

reply from: faithman

Hasn't bothered me in the least. You are the one who has been shown the hypocrit and liar. First you say no one has the right to judge, then you turn right around and post after post have judged me. Judgements which do not bother me in the least because I know the come from a hypocritical liar as evedenced on this forum.

reply from: galen

yeah right.... if you only knew.
Mary
beeper went off.... holler at you guys later.
BTW how many abortionists have you killed?????

reply from: faithman

And soo all you can do ist post nonsence and run. Do I have to crack open a chest to believe in heart sergery?

reply from: yoda

Hey FM, there's two more recruits for your fan club!

reply from: faithman

AAAHHH the glories of infamy. HAAHAAA HAAAAA [miniacal laugh]

reply from: faithman

Just thought I would repost this so folk don't lose the focus of this post. I could really care les if you like me, but I do care if the babies die. If you would like the info, PM me a snail mail, and I will send you a free sample. I will also make sure "godless" gets more. WOW!!! this lake water is way to cold!!

reply from: Sigma

lol faithman. You call others cowards yet you cannot even own up to the intent of what you said.
That's pretty damn funny You're not a faithman, you're a faithcoward

reply from: bradensmommy

lol faithman. You call others cowards yet you cannot even own up to the intent of what you said.
That's pretty damn funny You're not a faithman, you're a faithcoward
Sigma I think that I can pretty much talk for everyone when I say that you are very right(for once! )

reply from: faithman

lol faithman. You call others cowards yet you cannot even own up to the intent of what you said.
That's pretty damn funny You're not a faithman, you're a faithcoward
Sigma I think that I can pretty much talk for everyone when I say that you are very right(for once! )
You don't talk for anyone but your own hell bound pagan self. It does not suprise me at all that you are in agreement with an atheist proabort. Birds of a feather...

reply from: godless

I hear that there are bible verses on the card as well. Do you know what to do with them?
Funny you should mention that. I guess I am going to have to fess up. It was that mess from the christ dude book that got my freind really shook up. She started calling every church in town, and now you can't get her to shut up about jesus. It is getting a little anoying. And that dad gone faith man sent me this e-mail prayer where he said that he prayed that the Lord would persue my soul, and would send many laborers to minister the gospel in my life. He must be conected because it seems that everytime I turn around some christ dude is telling me about this jesus cat. I was standing in line to buy grub, and this cute chick says the Lord told me to give this to you. It was a piece of paper with the very same bible quotes on it. This is getting kinda spooky.

reply from: Sigma

lol, actually I agree with you that violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view.
The only agreement I have with bradensmommy is that you're a coward for not owning up to your intent. I mean, you're going to hate pagans and witches and post stuff about "not suffering" witches or pagans to live then you're trying to say "Oh I didn't mean it!"? That's pretty damn funny
Why are you wussing out?

reply from: Hessflg

Faithman: I'm absolutely fed up your antics and name calling.
You call yourself a Christian. But are you A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN ?
In other words, do you REALLY live Christ-like? From what I've been reading
YOU, sir, are THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITE walking the face of the earth !!!!!!!!
Now , you can keep up with your name calling and ranting & raving OR
I will report this to the moderator!!! I'm sick to death of every time I get on
this board, your mouth is spouting off !!!!!
NO MORE TALK ABOUT KILLING ABORTIONISTS!!!!! ONE DAY GOD WILL
DEAL WITH THEM!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT GOD !!!!!!!!!

reply from: faithman

Blah blah blah. So you and others get to call me names, but I can't correctly identify pagans as hell bound which is what the scripture say they are? I don't just talk about killing abortionist. I believe [as I have posted many times] every peaceful means of ending the slaughter of womb children. But I can not in good conscience condemn those who defend the womb child with lethal force. It is perfectly morral and legal to defend the born child with what ever force is nessisary to restrain an evil agressor hell bent on killing them. It should be the same for a womb child unless you agree with planned parenthood that a womb child is not a person and deserving of the same protection as a born person. Now if you got to report that to a moderator, knock yourself out.

reply from: Sigma

A small correction and I think you'll be much closer to the truth

reply from: bradensmommy

lol, actually I agree with you that violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view.
The only agreement I have with bradensmommy is that you're a coward for not owning up to your intent. I mean, you're going to hate pagans and witches and post stuff about "not suffering" witches or pagans to live then you're trying to say "Oh I didn't mean it!"? That's pretty damn funny
Why are you wussing out?
Sigma, I am pro-life and I do not think violence is the answer to anything. Please do not put us all in the same category. I have a very good friend who is pro-choice and she does not agree with you and your viewpoints. You are very different from the pro-choicers that I know.
Faithman STILL replies to me thinking in his little pea brain that I'm actually seeing his replies. Since Sigma decided to quote the little train wreck I will reply as to say that YES I do speak for quite alot of members on this board.

reply from: faithman

lol, actually I agree with you that violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view.
The only agreement I have with bradensmommy is that you're a coward for not owning up to your intent. I mean, you're going to hate pagans and witches and post stuff about "not suffering" witches or pagans to live then you're trying to say "Oh I didn't mean it!"? That's pretty damn funny
Why are you wussing out?
Sigma, I am pro-life and I do not think violence is the answer to anything. Please do not put us all in the same category. I have a very good friend who is pro-choice and she does not agree with you and your viewpoints. You are very different from the pro-choicers that I know.
Faithman STILL replies to me thinking in his little pea brain that I'm actually seeing his replies. Since Sigma decided to quote the little train wreck I will reply as to say that YES I do speak for quite alot of members on this board.
That isn't what you said. You said you speak for everyone.

reply from: Sigma

bradensmommy, faithman is right in that if you hold the pro-life position that a zygote and an eight year old are morally equivalent then using violence, even lethal violence, is morally acceptable to the vast majority of people. Your view that violence is not an answer (perhaps not the answer) to stop someone from killing many eight year olds a day is not the position held by the majority of people all over the world.
However, it is also true that the position held by the majority of people all over the world is not that a zygote is morally equivalent to a child. So while violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view, the majority of people do not hold the pro-life view. A damn good thing, too, eh?

reply from: domsmom

YAY you! Way to go saving that baby! All PP should be REQUIRED to display embryo and fetal development photos. But that wont happen; they wont even let them see the fuzzy ultrasound screen!
P.S.~ I know FM comes across as a serious JERK, but he only means well. I promise

reply from: Sigma

Yes they do
Why?

reply from: faithman

YAY you! Way to go saving that baby! All PP should be REQUIRED to display embryo and fetal development photos. But that wont happen; they wont even let them see the fuzzy ultrasound screen!
It has already happened in the state of Texas. The womens right to know packet has the womb child photos. I think we all should try to get local health districts to require any hospital clinic, or doctors office who deals in "reproductive health" should have the pictures displayed. I don't see any contitutional probs with this, and it is a proven fact that the live pics save babies. They are also non offensive to mushy middle America. It should be a slam dunk to get this on the local ballot by referendom. Even a pro-abort should not be against scientific information about the developement of the child that is growing in the mothers womb.

reply from: Sigma

Information being available is fine. Unequal application between all kinds of doctors is not Constitutional, or could be challenged on these grounds.

reply from: faithman

Information being available is fine.
See what I mean?

reply from: Sigma

No. This scientific information is already available.

reply from: faithman

No. This scientific information is already available.
not in the abortion clinics. The local PP director called the women's right to know insulting to women. Pro-aborts always lose when the truth is revieled.

reply from: Sigma

The "right to know", as interpreted by pro-lifers, is insulting.
Women may look at the ultrasound if they wish to. Women can find out anything they wish to know about fetal development from the doctor, from books and from the internet. The information is available to any women who wish to use it. To think that the only reason women wish to abort is because they don't know any better is insulting.
All you would be doing is making the decision harder (which is, of course, your goal). This is insulting to women.

reply from: faithman

The "right to know", as interpreted by pro-lifers, is insulting.
Women may look at the ultrasound if they wish to. Women can find out anything they wish to know about fetal development from the doctor, from books and from the internet. The information is available to any women who wish to use it. To think that the only reason women wish to abort is because they don't know any better is insulting.
All you would be doing is making the decision harder (which is, of course, your goal). This is insulting to women.
SSSSOOOO it is insulting to follow billy boy clinton in his statement we should make abortion more rare?. The woman's right to know is not slanted either way, and is just simple factual information. If women are to make an informed choice, shouldn't all iformation be made availiable to them by the ones who sell abortions?

reply from: Sigma

No. The way you're going about it is insulting. Women do not need you standing over their shoulder protecting them from themselves. That's insulting.
All information is already available to any women who wishes that information. Women already do make informed choices. It's just not the choice you want them to make.

reply from: holopaw

lol, actually I agree with you that violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view.
The only agreement I have with bradensmommy is that you're a coward for not owning up to your intent. I mean, you're going to hate pagans and witches and post stuff about "not suffering" witches or pagans to live then you're trying to say "Oh I didn't mean it!"? That's pretty damn funny
Why are you wussing out?
And violence is the Pro-Choice way, with you killing children and all.

reply from: holopaw

lol, actually I agree with you that violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view.
The only agreement I have with bradensmommy is that you're a coward for not owning up to your intent. I mean, you're going to hate pagans and witches and post stuff about "not suffering" witches or pagans to live then you're trying to say "Oh I didn't mean it!"? That's pretty damn funny
Why are you wussing out?
Sigma, I am pro-life and I do not think violence is the answer to anything. Please do not put us all in the same category. I have a very good friend who is pro-choice and she does not agree with you and your viewpoints. You are very different from the pro-choicers that I know.
Faithman STILL replies to me thinking in his little pea brain that I'm actually seeing his replies. Since Sigma decided to quote the little train wreck I will reply as to say that YES I do speak for quite alot of members on this board.
Either your friend thinks it is wrong to kill an unborn child or she is Pro-Life. Just because you like your friend does not make her unlike Sigma.

reply from: faithman

No. The way you're going about it is insulting. Women do not need you standing over their shoulder protecting them from themselves. That's insulting.
All information is already available to any women who wishes that information. Women already do make informed choices. It's just not the choice you want them to make.
As usual you lie. The information given to women at abortion clinics did not include fetal developement until they were made too. No one is standing over anybodies shoulder, they are simply making sure info is made availiable ot the place where the deed is done.
The only thing insulting about that is to PP profet margine. If you are selling abortion, you don't need the truth getting in the way.

reply from: Sigma

To the vast majority of people, there is a world of difference between a zygote and a child. And a world of difference between a zygote and a doctor. The vast majority of people do not support your view that they are morally equivalent. I daresay there isn't even a majority of pro-life people who support your view.

reply from: faithman

To the vast majority of people, there is a world of difference between a zygote and a child. And a world of difference between a zygote and a doctor. The vast majority of people do not support your view that they are morally equivalent.
It has been my experiance that view changes when the pictures of the womb child are shown.

reply from: Sigma

lol. The information is available even at Planned Parenthood. Any woman who requests it can get her ultrasound. I personally know this.

reply from: Sigma

Um... good for you, I guess I seriously doubt you show pictures of zygotes, say, 3 days after conception
My point stands. The vast majority of people do not consider them morally equivalent.

reply from: faithman

I hear that there are bible verses on the card as well. Do you know what to do with them?
Funny you should mention that. I guess I am going to have to fess up. It was that mess from the christ dude book that got my freind really shook up. She started calling every church in town, and now you can't get her to shut up about jesus. It is getting a little anoying. And that dad gone faith man sent me this e-mail prayer where he said that he prayed that the Lord would persue my soul, and would send many laborers to minister the gospel in my life. He must be conected because it seems that everytime I turn around some christ dude is telling me about this jesus cat. I was standing in line to buy grub, and this cute chick says the Lord told me to give this to you. It was a piece of paper with the very same bible quotes on it. This is getting kinda spooky.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

reply from: faithman

Um... good for you, I guess I seriously doubt you show pictures of zygotes
My point stands. The vast majority of people do not consider them morally equivalent.
including pagan "pro-lifers".

reply from: Sigma

The majority of any pro-lifers of any bent, whether Christian or pagan or whatever.
I should point out that the pagan you're talking about, if I understand who this is, is not being inconsistent. She does not believe in violence for any purpose. The only pro-lifers who are inconsistent are those who would condone violence to save children but who do not condone it for a fetus, while believing a child and the fetus are morally equivalent.
bradensmommy has a perfectly consistent position to condemn you from, coward.

reply from: faithman

I hear that there are bible verses on the card as well. Do you know what to do with them?
Funny you should mention that. I guess I am going to have to fess up. It was that mess from the christ dude book that got my freind really shook up. She started calling every church in town, and now you can't get her to shut up about jesus. It is getting a little anoying. And that dad gone faith man sent me this e-mail prayer where he said that he prayed that the Lord would persue my soul, and would send many laborers to minister the gospel in my life. He must be conected because it seems that everytime I turn around some christ dude is telling me about this jesus cat. I was standing in line to buy grub, and this cute chick says the Lord told me to give this to you. It was a piece of paper with the very same bible quotes on it. This is getting kinda spooky.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

reply from: bradensmommy

bradensmommy, faithman is right in that if you hold the pro-life position that a zygote and an eight year old are morally equivalent then using violence, even lethal violence, is morally acceptable to the vast majority of people. Your view that violence is not an answer (perhaps not the answer) to stop someone from killing many eight year olds a day is not the position held by the majority of people all over the world.
However, it is also true that the position held by the majority of people all over the world is not that a zygote is morally equivalent to a child. So while violence is a logical progression of the pro-life view, the majority of people do not hold the pro-life view. A damn good thing, too, eh?
THe only reason I should see violence ever is if its self defense. I would never want to kill an abortion doc, that is wrong. If an abortion doc were to try to kill me then yeah, I would do anything necessary to protect myself. That is the difference.
Now, if someone were to kill someone then yeah, maybe they should get the death penalty (I'm still on the fence about the death penalty).
I'm actually a really nice pro-lifer as of a few others. We don't understand your position, at least I don't, and don't agree. But thats what this forum is REALLY about is debate right?

reply from: yoda

You may want to rethink that. I'm almost sure you would use violence to protect your own children, right?

reply from: faithman

AAAAHHHH my fan club ever swells in numbers.

reply from: bradensmommy

You may want to rethink that. I'm almost sure you would use violence to protect your own children, right?
Most definately, but its self-defense of course. Killing someone for no reason is wrong.

reply from: faithman

You may want to rethink that. I'm almost sure you would use violence to protect your own children, right?
Most definately, but its self-defense of course. Killing someone for no reason is wrong.
The discussion has never been over killing someone for no reason. The discussion has been over the fact that if it is right to protect the life of a born child, then it must be right to protect the life of a womb child, unless you agree with Planned Parenthood [and siggy] that a womb child is not a person, and not equal to , an already born child. Even siggy agrees that if a preborn is a person, then it is perfectly logical that they should garner the same consideration as the already born. You can't just keep reframing the issue to fit your opinion.

reply from: yoda

When I see the term "self-defense", I think of someone protecting themselves, not protecting anyone else.
So essentially you are using "self-defense" to mean the same as "defense", presumably of "the innocent".
And that puts your squarely in agreement with me......

reply from: yoda

Well, it's swelling in something, but I'm not sure if it's numbers

reply from: faithman

Well, it's swelling in something, but I'm not sure if it's numbers
Snicker snicker.

reply from: Sigma

Absolutely You make my job easier.
Since you fragment and polerize within the pro-life cause, you sway sympathy towards the pro-choice cause. Those who may normally be pro-life see what the pro-life cause is about and are repelled.
The majority of people throughout the world would not accept a zygote and a child being morally equivalent to the extent of killing to protect them.

reply from: galen

Siggy, I have yet to see someone come over to the dark side with you.
Mary

reply from: Sigma

Oh, not on this forum, though faithman and those like him to fragment the pro-lifers here. I mean in the general public. You can see in the media where those who bomb clinics are treated as the lunatic fringe of the pro-life groups, as even pro-lifers want nothing to do with them. If faithman's views were actually accepted as mainstream pro-life, a large portion of moderates would likely be repelled by the "pro-life" group.

reply from: galen

not accepting violence and the purpotrators of violence is not the same as accepting abortion...
Sorry Vader.
mary

reply from: Sigma

Not accepting the pro-life philosophy doesn't leave much room for much else. The more faithman's philosophy is touted as mainstream pro-life, the more sympathy the pro-choice cause gains.
In a choice between accepting the killing of doctors and accepting the killing of a zygote, I daresay few would accept the killing of doctors.

reply from: bradensmommy

Not accepting the pro-life philosophy doesn't leave much room for much else. The more faithman's philosophy is touted as mainstream pro-life, the more sympathy the pro-choice cause gains.
In a choice between accepting the killing of doctors and accepting the killing of a zygote, I daresay few would accept the killing of doctors.
I would never make that choice. Killing a human being for no reason is not right it doesn't matter if it is a fetus or an abortion doc, it won't solve a darn thing.

reply from: galen

i agree with that.
Sorry vader.
mary

reply from: faithman

CCKKRRKKCCKRKRKCKCKRKRKRKRK come siggy, come to the lightCCCRRCCKCKCKRRKCKRKCKRKCKRKKK vvvvvrrron vvvron

reply from: yoda

You agree with what, and you're sorry about what?

reply from: yoda

Well, there's something I think we can ALL agree on......

reply from: JohnGlenn

It's a real shame when antiabortion people would prefer live baby killers to live babies.

reply from: galen

not you yoda.... talking to sigma... calling him vader... a dark one.
i was agreeing w/ Bradensmommy.
mary

reply from: yoda

Ah......... Darth Vader........ yeah, that fits........

reply from: galen

well he does want people to gather to the dark side.......
Mary

reply from: Sigma

The dark side being pro-choice? It is your destiny, galen. It is pointless to resist.

reply from: galen

What trip are you on Siggy??
That is just a hallucination on your part.
Mary

reply from: Sigma

Galen...
I... am your FATHER!

reply from: galen

Not uless you are over 80.
mary

reply from: Sigma

Oh. Maybe it's AshMarie88's destiny then!
Darn paternity tests. The Force is much more reliable.

reply from: galen

Where do you get your drugs?
Mary

reply from: Sigma

From my doctor Vicodin is my favorite.

reply from: galen

yeah yeah... dr house you are not.
mary

reply from: Sigma

Can I be dr. mcdreamy or whatever the heck his name is?
You can probably tell I don't watch much T.V

reply from: galen

Dr house... a vicodin addict on TV.... he is still extremely smart... but a puttering self loathing jerk nontheless.
mary

reply from: bradensmommy

I elect him to be the boss on The Office.

reply from: faithman

Check out the site in signature

reply from: Sigma

Aw, I'm starting to think you aren't fond of me :'(

reply from: yoda

Ah, but he keeps hoping....... next he'll be telling someone here that he's their daddy......

reply from: galen

yeah he tried that.... shudder...
Mary


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