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How about it passifist?

Just exactly what action do you personally take

by: faithman

I have seen A lot of Passifist BS on this forum. Let me throw down the gauntlet. Just what exactly have you done personally on behalf of the womb child? I am not talking about posting your opinion on a forum. Just what exactly do you do in the real world to stand against this crime upon the womb child? I have made available some of the most effective material there is in peacefully changing hearts on this issue. Yet not one loud mouthed passifist has taken me up on it. I prefer a peaceful end to this mess, but I can not condemn those who would stop the evil agression towards the inocent. Education is key in long term change. One of the most powerful, if not the most powerful tools we have , are the fiber optic, family freindly pictures of life in the womb. Even very young children stand in auw of their beauty. Won't cost ya a dime. Ask yoda and robert, tam, and others who have gotten hold of this and have already had good results. Where are you at oh sounding brass ones? When are you going to back up your tinkling bell voices with action?

reply from: Hessflg

Really want to know what I do on behalf of the unborn? I PRAY!!!
PRAY ! PRAY ! PRAY ! PRAY ! PRAYER WORKS WONDERS. May not
seem like much to some people, but in God's eyes it's POWERFUL stuff!
It's true I don't stand outside abortion clinics and protest. But I do talk to
people EVERY CHANCE I GET about the fact that abortion is wrong.
Just recently, the store where I work, had a fundraiser for United Way,
here in Lancaster, Pa. I made it very clear I would not be giving any
money for an organization that supports planned parenthood. When asked
why, it gave me the chance to let some of the people I work with know my
stance on abortion. The fact that I'm pro-life and about the child I gave
up for adoption. So, yes, I do what I can for the unborn.
The question I have is, what do YOU do for the unborn?

reply from: faithman

Had a few nibbels from some folk in origan. Hope you use the cards well.

reply from: faithman

14 years of sign holding, literature distribution, president of local pro-life group 2ooo-2005, current secritary treasurer, truth truck driver, produced over 120,000 post cards of pre-born life and distributed all over the country, south africa, irland, germany, great brittan. Sent kazilions of baby picture emails to churches, politicians, white house, pro-life groups. Picketed clinic workers homes, and churches. Would go on but I have already been acused of bragging. So I won't tell you about picketing Marine one, Bush photo opt with habitat for humanity, bush economic summit at Baylor university, and the bush ranch. Send letters to those in jail because of actions to protect womb children. .....And will send you free of charge the most powerful material I have ever used in my experiances. I believe we have a shot at ending it peaceful, if everything that calls itself pro-life gets a hold of this material and displays it to the american puplic.

reply from: Sigma

Except public opinion shifts against you when those in your cause are killing doctors

reply from: faithman

That is why I advocate the use of fiber optic pictures of lif in the womb. They shut down the pro-aborts everytime.

reply from: Sigma

It doesn't matter what you show or if you "shut down the pro-aborts". If your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, public opinion shifts against you.

reply from: faithman

Not after the showing of the live pre-borns. I have had house wives tell me that burning clinics are not such a bad thing after seeing the truth. The ting you can't stand, is the fact that dispite the efforts of the pro-aborts, there are fewer clinics, fewer abortionist, and a hole new generation of americans that are predomantly pro-life. Abortion on demand will end, it is just a matter of time, and all the ole pro-aborts know it.

reply from: Sigma

I, and pro-choice people in general, would be perfectly satisfied if none desired abortion. The desire likely will not go away, though, if the underlying reasons are not addressed.
Advocating or condoning the killing of doctors will sway public opinion against the pro-life cause of making abortion illegal. It makes you seem extremist.

reply from: faithman

I, and pro-choice people in general, would be perfectly satisfied if none desired abortion. The desire likely will not go away, though, if the underlying reasons are not addressed.
Advocating or condoning the killing of doctors will sway public opinion against the pro-life cause of making abortion illegal. It makes you seem extremist.
I hope you stay focussed on that. But it doesn't take away at all from the fact that post abortive women are chiming in. The 4d ultra sound is dispelling the abortion blob of tissue myth, and that the live fiber optic pictures totally change the mind of women in crisis against killing their child. When this comes to an end, the law will rightly put abortionist to death for their cold blooded murder of the womb child. But I could really care less about pro-abort opinion, and a larger segment of america, armed with the truth, could care less either.

reply from: Sigma

Public opinion would support or oppose the legality of abortion. When you advocate or condone violence against doctors, public opinion does not support you. Sorry
The larger segment of America is pro-choice.

reply from: faithman

Public opinion would support or oppose the legality of abortion. When you advocate or condone violence against doctors, public opinion does not support you. Sorry
The larger segment of America is pro-choice.
Over and over again the polls prove you false. When the question is asked right, most americans are not for abortion on demand. The red herring of life of the mother is a none issue, as it was already legal before RvW. If abortion was SSSSOOOO acceptible to america, then why did it not go thru the legislatures, intead of a high jacked court system? You are about to lose and you know it.

reply from: RobertFerguson

can you pray with one of these posters in your hand?
can a graphic post card help you in your discussions
Do you? You admitted thta you do NOT go to abortion chmabers.
You can use graphic post cards and posters, but do you?
You wish for others to toot their horns like you? Would'nt that rob them of their reward in heaven? Is that what you want to rob others?

reply from: RobertFerguson

toot toot goes your horn

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: faithman

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.
It only encourages me more, and lets me know we are winning when pro-aborts put uo phony poles, and try to diswade folk by saying public opinion is against us. Niether is true, but keep it up. Your kind are coming close to your just deserts very soon. That is anothe fact I unserstand why you choose to ignore.

reply from: Sigma

lol. Phony polls. Care to back up that statement?
"My kind"? You mean, pro-choice people? The majority of the nation is pro-choice, and you sway public opinion against you when you advocate or condone the killing of doctors. You really are winning nothing. Extremists only generate sympathy for the pro-choice cause.

reply from: Sigma

haha, trying to dodge because you cannot back up your statement by spamming the same BS? By all means, all you are doing is generating sympathy for the pro-choice cause and causing factioning within your own cause.
You do much to destroy the pro-life cause

reply from: Sigma

Poor faithman. Trying to distract from his failure to perform

reply from: Sigma

So, then, you're telling me that you can't back up your claim that my polls were phony? You can't even produce polls of your own that back up your claim?
This is so vastly amusing! I can't believe you even got on a forum.

reply from: Sigma

Isn't this fun, faithman?

reply from: Sigma

Oh, I'm sorry, did you miss the polls I posted?
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: Sigma

Oh, I'm sorry, did you miss the polls I posted?
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: Sigma

Oh, I'm sorry, did you miss the polls I posted?
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America is generally pro-choice, especially during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Sorry. Not only this, but the more your cause advocates or condones violence against doctors, the more public opinion will sway against you.

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
I think I like this poll most of all right now.

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
C'mon, faithman, can't face the truth that the majority of America are pro-choice?

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
C'mon, faithman, can't face the truth that the majority of America are pro-choice

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
C'mon, faithman, can't face the truth that the majority of America are pro-choice

reply from: catharinevitale

I think that the best thing for pacifists to do would be to work toward decreasing the number of unintended pregnancies, thereby decreasing the demand for elective abortion. This way no one is hurt.
A pound of prevention, they say....

reply from: AshMarie88

The only way to do that would be to talk people into not having sex.
Not having sex is the ONLY, 100% way to prevent abortions!

reply from: catharinevitale

"Talk[ing] people into not having sex" is not the only way to decrease unintended pregnancies. In addition to convincing people to not have sex, we can increase knowledge of family planning and access to it instead of pushing our legislators to reduce those funds.

reply from: BiblicalTruth

Sigma this is a mathmatically provable fact and an absolute truth with one exception of course. Jesus! My question is if you would be one that would only like to work in facts and not emotion or possibilities then why would you not promote or stand behind this and why do so many people deny the truth and make stupid decisions.
BiblicalTruth

reply from: Sigma

Yes, it is true that abstinence would reduce the number of unintended pregnancies. I do not promote this as a solution because it is also not a practical solution for the vast majority of people. It is also true that people will have sex whether it is a good idea to do so or not. Therefore any solution must take this into account. Promoting abstinence does not do this.

reply from: catharinevitale

You could conceivably eliminate elective abortion with a number of other tools: family planning, access to healthcare including contraception, ministry, comprehensive age-appropriate sexual education and open discourse in the home regarding sexuality, chastity and the like.
The number of elective abortions in society is a function of the number of unintended pregnancies it encounters. If you can remove the latter, the former does not exist.

reply from: BiblicalTruth

Originally posted by: Sigma
Yes, it is true that abstinence would reduce the number of unintended pregnancies. I do not promote this as a solution because it is also not a practical solution for the vast majority of people. It is also true that people will have sex whether it is a good idea to do so or not. Therefore any solution must take this into account. Promoting abstinence does not do this.
Obviously you do not believe in God because you do not think he is a sure thing and must have faith to believe in him. I would also assume that you think that people of faith are stupid as they substitute knowledge with faith. The required deduction from your statement would be that they have no knowledge and are stupid as knowledge is the measure of intelligence. Therefore someone who does something that the outcome is unknown or has an undesirable possibility would also have to fall under your rational of being stupid. Therefore anyone who does not want to have babies and does not practice abstinance is stupid.
BiblicalTruth

reply from: Sigma

I agree with this. Eliminating the underlying reasons women desire abortion would eliminate them without restricting women's rights.

reply from: Sigma

Some do this, and have no desire to find out truth beyond the Bible. I do not think all people of faith are stupid. My SO is Christian, after all.
Oh, absolutely I believe it is smart to practice abstinence if one has no desire whatsoever to have a baby. I also think it is smart to use two forms of birth control when having sex. Since very little in life is risk free, lowering the risk as low as you responsibly can is very smart.
Stupidity is not illegal, nor is irresponsibility. Neither should be illegal (OMG value judgement).

reply from: BiblicalTruth

Signing off for the evening
BiblicalTruth

reply from: Sigma

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
C'mon, faithman, can't face the truth that the majority of America is pro-choice?

reply from: yoda

Obviously Newsweek's question is biased, and that affected the poll...... but who cares anyway?
Anyone who follows "the crowd" on moral questions is not a moral person anyway.

reply from: BiblicalTruth

Amen! The fact that the majority of people around the world think that abortion is OK is a validation of the Bible and what it teaches. Praise God for his word being able to be tested and proved right.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
BiblicalTruth

reply from: faithman

check out the site in this post. copy and paste to hearts content.

reply from: catharinevitale

A nationwide poll is illegitimate as an unwed mother's baby if it only has 1,002 participants. 1,002 people do not adequately represent over 300 million.

reply from: catharinevitale

The poll is certainly inconclusive as 1,002 is not a sample poulation of Americans.

reply from: yoda

Quite true, catharinevitale.......quite true.....

reply from: Sigma

Which is why I posted the question and related statistics. It allows you to judge for yourself. Can you cite the poll mentioned by the article? I do not trust "lifenews" interpretation of the result.
lol, many of the polls specify what time-frame and what situations they support abortion. The majority of America supports a woman choosing for herself at least some time into the pregnancy.
Statistics take a polling samples. You cannot poll 300 million. Take some stat classes and you can see that even a relatively small number of participants can give you a good cross-section of the nation. Truly, one poll, by itself, will not show too much but taken with others and you will see a trend. In poll after poll and trend after trend the majority of America is pro-choice.

reply from: Sigma

Exactly who am I misrepresenting? You and you alone? My contention is supported by polls.
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 26-27, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Which side of the political debate on the abortion issue do you sympathize with more: the right-to-life movement that believes abortion is the taking of human life and should be outlawed; OR, the pro-choice movement that believes a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body, including deciding to have an abortion?"
ALL adults: 39% said Right to Life, 53% said Pro-choice, 3% said neither and 5% said Unsure
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Aug. 30-Sept. 2, 2006. N=1,004 adults nationwide.
"Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?"
8/30 - 9/2/06: 24% said Always Legal, 50% said Sometimes Legal, 24% said Always Illegal and 2% said Unsure.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI). July 6-19, 2006. N=996 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.
"Which comes closer to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. Abortion should be available but under stricter limits than it is now. Abortion should be against the law except in cases of rape, incest and to save the woman's life. Abortion should not be permitted at all."
7/6-19/06: 31% said Generally Available, 20% said Stricter Limits, 35% Rape, Incest and the Womans Life, 11% said Not Permitted at all, and 3% said Unsure.
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). June 9-12, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. Results below are among registered voters.
"I'm going to read you some positions that someone running for Congress could take. For each one, please tell me whether you would be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who takes this position, less likely to vote for this candidate, or would it not make a difference to you either way? . . ."
6/9-12/06. The view: "Favors keeping abortion legal" would make 46% more likely to vote for them, 33% less likely, 19% would vote no differently, and 2% were unsure.
6/9-12/06. The view: "Favors making abortion illegal, except in cases of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother is at risk" would make 40% more likely to vote for them, 42% less likely to vote for them, 16% would vote no differently, and 2% were unsure.
Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. April 8-11, 2006. N=1,357 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"As you may know, South Dakota adopted a law that would ban all abortions, except to save the life of the mother. Do you approve or disapprove of the South Dakota abortion law?"
All adults: 34% approve, 58% disapprove, and 8% were unsure.
In poll after poll and trend after trend, the majority of America supports abortion in more cases than life of the mother or rape/incest. The majority of America supports a woman's ability to choose for herself in at least part of the pregnancy.

reply from: yoda

If 100% of our society were in favor of killing all babies, would you go along with them siggy? Oh wait, you'd do that anyway....

reply from: galen

Don't need you pics FM I have my own... but i do think its a good idea for you to spread them around.
Mary

reply from: faithman

Oh gosh!!! Does that mean I have your permission? You have judged them good?!!

reply from: galen

nope just posting my OPINION>>>>
Mary

reply from: faithman

So I don't have your permission?

reply from: galen

do you actually think you need it??
mary

reply from: faithman

According to you and some others, my pea brain may not have the capassity to do so. May haps a change in meds....

reply from: galen

I hear lithium works well... LOL!
Mary

reply from: faithman

is that the stuff that makes you glow in the dark? I do enough of that already.

reply from: galen

no its a naturally occuring salt... found in many of the springs in this country... MD's came across it as healing when they noticed assylum patients getting less moody when they went to take the 'baths'
Mary

reply from: faithman

Some would say I am salty enough as it is.


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