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Please do not respond to religious extremism!

by: thecatholicamerican

Please do not respond to religious extremism!

reply from: ChristianSoldier

With 1073 users registered to the Prolife America forum, I've wondered why there seems to be less than a dozen active posters.
Perhaps you are not alone in your evaluation.

reply from: RobertFerguson

I can not imagine what kind of weak faith it must be that causes one to abandon their post rather than fight for what they beleive in.
The Bible says that
Iron sharpens iron.
You must be made of something less.

reply from: bradensmommy

Dang, I thought I had you on iggy too.
Soooo...basically what you are saying is that if someone isn't Christian it doesn't give them a right to be pro-life? That is screwed up. Why should you condone someone who believes something else as long as they believe in life? I think you need to be more tolerant because God is. (And yes, I was raised a Christian and so I do know these things)
I'm so sick of some of the Christians on this board that are so full of hate and mockery, then you try to preach things such as that? Are you that full of hypocrisy and ignorance?
I don't reject God and I never said I did. You don't know anything about the Wiccan religion. You want to believe what you THINK, not what religious education tells you. You want to believe what YOUR church thinks because after all, they are right and everyone else is wrong....
Why must you and the rest of the bible thumpers always have to bring up homosexuality? That has NOTHING to do with abortion. You and the rest of the "rightousness" can think all you want. God loves everyone and its a shame that you haven't learned that yet....tsk, tsk, and you call yourself Christian.
So get off your religious "Better than thou" high horse and love people like God TOLD you to.
Brightest Blessings,
C.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

God loves the abortionists, too. So, what is your point?

reply from: RobertFerguson

But do you follow these things? Do you acept Chist as the ONLY Son of the Living God, who died rose and lives now, coming for a spotless bride? Do you live for Christ? Are you dead to yourself?
Tell us more about what you know having been 'raised a Christian'.... I've never met anyone born into Christ's salvation- tell us how that works?

reply from: RobertFerguson

God also HATES the baby killer.

reply from: bradensmommy

But do you follow these things? Do you acept Chist as the ONLY Son of the Living God, who died rose and lives now, coming for a spotless bride? Do you live for Christ? Are you dead to yourself?
Tell us more about what you know having been 'raised a Christian'.... I've never met anyone born into Christ's salvation- tell us how that works?
So you weren't raised as a Christian?
I am not one anymore because I don't like the hypocrisy of it all. You all think you are high and mighty and believe a book that was written by men, not by God. I am Wiccan if you read my post at all. And yes, Wiccans believe in God, they also believe in the Mother Goddess, which to catholics is the Virgin Mary.
I don't need to explain myself to you because you aren't going to understand just like the other ignorant people that I have ignored.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

God also HATES the baby killer.
YOU hate the baby killers. GOD hates the sin.
Huge difference, bucky.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

But do you follow these things? Do you acept Chist as the ONLY Son of the Living God, who died rose and lives now, coming for a spotless bride? Do you live for Christ? Are you dead to yourself?
Tell us more about what you know having been 'raised a Christian'.... I've never met anyone born into Christ's salvation- tell us how that works?
So you weren't raised as a Christian?
I am not one anymore because I don't like the hypocrisy of it all. You all think you are high and mighty and believe a book that was written by men, not by God. I am Wiccan if you read my post at all. And yes, Wiccans believe in God, they also believe in the Mother Goddess, which to catholics is the Virgin Mary.
I don't need to explain myself to you because you aren't going to understand just like the other ignorant people that I have ignored.
Unless you professed a belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, who died for YOUR sins and was resurrected, you WERE NOT raised a Christian.
There is no default Christianity.
Jesus loves you. Hopefully you will accept His plan for your salvation before you have no further chance to repent.

reply from: RobertFerguson

God also HATES the baby killer.
YOU hate the baby killers. GOD hates the sin.
Huge difference, bucky.
You "Buck" against what your Bible says?
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

reply from: RobertFerguson

My God is BOTH the Lion and the Lamb.
The fact that your imaginary god does not resemble the One of the Bible says alot more.

reply from: RobertFerguson

But do you follow these things? Do you acept Chist as the ONLY Son of the Living God, who died rose and lives now, coming for a spotless bride? Do you live for Christ? Are you dead to yourself?
Tell us more about what you know having been 'raised a Christian'.... I've never met anyone born into Christ's salvation- tell us how that works?
So you weren't raised as a Christian?
I am not one anymore because I don't like the hypocrisy of it all. You all think you are high and mighty and believe a book that was written by men, not by God. I am Wiccan if you read my post at all. And yes, Wiccans believe in God, they also believe in the Mother Goddess, which to catholics is the Virgin Mary.
I don't need to explain myself to you because you aren't going to understand just like the other ignorant people that I have ignored.
I supected such. Don't pretend to know about following Christ when you do not.
You are unable to know the truth of God's word because the truth does not live in you. You are blind to His truth.

reply from: RobertFerguson

Is the Lord open to forgiving everyone?
(Jesus) answered them, "The mystery of the kingdom of God has been granted to you. But to those outside everything comes in parables, so that 'they may look and see but not perceive, and hear and listen but not understand, in order that they may not be converted and be forgiven.' " [Mark 4:11-12]

reply from: LetFreedomRing

God doesn't hate anyone. Read John 3:16.
For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son[...]
Notice how it says "the world" and not "those who love him"

reply from: LetFreedomRing

It says things, not people.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

RobertFerguson came here to sow hatred in order to reap blood.
Turn from him.

reply from: RobertFerguson

God doesn't hate anyone. Read John 3:16.
For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son[...]
Notice how it says "the world" and not "those who love him"
God is also the God of wrath and hates doers of iniquity according to the Bible.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

reply from: RobertFerguson

I note that you had ZERO to say about these verse that make you a liar!
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

reply from: RobertFerguson

In the context to what we are speaking about- the Bible says that justice is found in bloodshed. In fact it says it is the ONLY way to cleanse a land of it's bloodguiltiness!
Why do you reject the parts of God that does not allign with your own made up version?
You would instead make a golden calf god of your own immaginatiosn that only loves the sinner and does not do as his word says.
Much of God's love is conditional. God made covenants with people. He promised he would preform an act of love upon them, blessing them, if the preformed in a specific manner. If they rejected His ways, they woul dsuffer the just consequences. Some offenses are capital offenses that require the shedding of the blood of the one who first shed innocent blood.

reply from: faithman

God has a love for the abortionist, but until he repents and comes to Christ, the full wrath of God rest upon him. God does not love sinners. God loves those who have been converted to His children thru Christ.

reply from: bradensmommy

But do you follow these things? Do you acept Chist as the ONLY Son of the Living God, who died rose and lives now, coming for a spotless bride? Do you live for Christ? Are you dead to yourself?
Tell us more about what you know having been 'raised a Christian'.... I've never met anyone born into Christ's salvation- tell us how that works?
So you weren't raised as a Christian?
I am not one anymore because I don't like the hypocrisy of it all. You all think you are high and mighty and believe a book that was written by men, not by God. I am Wiccan if you read my post at all. And yes, Wiccans believe in God, they also believe in the Mother Goddess, which to catholics is the Virgin Mary.
I don't need to explain myself to you because you aren't going to understand just like the other ignorant people that I have ignored.
I supected such. Don't pretend to know about following Christ when you do not.
You are unable to know the truth of God's word because the truth does not live in you. You are blind to His truth.
hmm and maybe you need educated on the people who were standing up for you. They are not Christian...think about that.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

If that were true, there would never need have been a crucifixion.
There sure are a lot of folks presuming to speak for God around here.
Catholicamerican was right.
See ya later!

reply from: coco

I dont believe in religion but just because of that doesnt make me a bad person I am not "prolife" because I think babies are cute!!! where did you get that IDEA from??? Abortion VIOLATES rights, and that is why I believe it is wrong!! God doesnt have to be in ALL your arguements you need something more besides "cause god says so".

reply from: LetFreedomRing

God has a love for the abortionist, but until he repents and comes to Christ, the full wrath of God rest upon him. God does not love sinners. God loves those who have been converted to His children thru Christ.
Wow... Is anyone else reminded of Fred Phelps?

reply from: ChristianSoldier

God has a love for the abortionist, but until he repents and comes to Christ, the full wrath of God rest upon him. God does not love sinners. God loves those who have been converted to His children thru Christ.
Wow... Is anyone else reminded of Fred Phelps?
Yeap. Big time.

reply from: faithman

God has a love for the abortionist, but until he repents and comes to Christ, the full wrath of God rest upon him. God does not love sinners. God loves those who have been converted to His children thru Christ.
Wow... Is anyone else reminded of Fred Phelps?
Yeap. Big time.
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
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Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
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Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
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Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

reply from: ChristianSoldier

Nice scriptures. What's your point? God so loved the world, he sent His Son... if he didn't love sinners, He would not have done that. On those that don't take the salvation offered, God's wrath will fall.
Note that is GOD's wrath, not the wrath of faithman, or RobertFerguson. Do you put as much energy into trying to rally the complacent so-called values voters who sit out every election rather than banding together to try and elect folks who might actually give a*****enough to get some laws passed, as you do pasting scripture on a forum board?
Did you even bother to add your name to the petition I posted concerning defunding Planned Parenthood? Or is that approach not bloody enough?

reply from: LetFreedomRing

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son[...]
Notice how it says "the world" instead of "those who love Him" And every single verse you quoted says wrath, not hate. Yes, God is angry. But He hates no one. Anger doesn't equal hate.

reply from: LetFreedomRing

Good point. I guess He hates me and you also, because we're both sinners, along with EVERYONE else. So I guess it's impossible to make it to Heaven, since God just hates us all, because we all sin.

reply from: faithman

If one is in Christ they are new creastures and no longer sinners. God has a love for the world yes. But until one comes to Christ, and becomes a legitamit child, the full wrath of God abides on them. Doctrine is not based on one scripture alone, as you presupose.

reply from: RobertFerguson

God loves the sinner enough to send him straight to hell's fire and brimestone.
gee we're talkking about defensive action. This is about His justice
But since you wish to talk about another subject other than forceful defense action to save a life.
Do you actually believe that God does not use His people to execute His vengence?
do you only read the parts of the Bible that suit your own narrow agenda?
"Select men from your midst and arm them for war, to attack the Midianites and execute the LORD'S vengeance on them." [Nm. 31:3]

reply from: RobertFerguson

You argue like a heathen
You should know that as a person of faith that we are new creations. That God sees us in Christ's perfection by His blood.
Why do you allow yourself to argue such a weak and false faith?

reply from: RobertFerguson

These poor fellows... they have lost all credibilty in their rejection of the WHOLE character of God.

reply from: faithman

These poor fellows... they have lost all credibilty in their rejection of the WHOLE character of God.
Ya, don't you think it funny that they base everything on one scripture, and totally blow off the ones I posted that refute their error? I think they need to go back and read all of the scriptures in John 3 for context. Those who do not come to the light of the Lord Jesus Christ are condemned all ready. God hates sin and sinner. He haas made a way of escape from His wrath thru the cross. He has made His love available to all. But until one surrenders to the Lordship of Christ, the wrath Of God abides on them, not His love.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
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Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
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Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
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Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

reply from: RobertFerguson

What kind of 'Christian Soldier' are you?
Do you not understand basic principles of warfare? Or for that matter basic principles of the body of Christ?
or for that matter basic principles of logic?
There are many members to the Body. The foot does not have to do what the hand does.
The infantry does not do what the air forces do.
All that is needed is that each does what they are assigned to do and accept the job assignments of everyone else.
Why are you such a disident to spiritual matters concerning
the use of the WHOLE body of Christ and ALL of the arsonal avaliable for warfare tactics?
You are a dissenter- NO, even more- a traitor to God's character accepting only part of Him..

reply from: faithman

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

reply from: RobertFerguson

One should never mock the prophets of God. Good lesson to learn!
It might do you good to read Troy Newman's book
"Their blood cries out"
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=52

And guess who you will find listed for his faith of action on page 103 under the title "True Prophets of God".

reply from: bradensmommy

Wow, I really think God is looking down on you shaking his head and saying "THIS IS NOT WHAT I MEANT"
You guys sit there and tell us what the bible says which was written by men, mortals so to speak. If we can have a decent conversation about abortion without y'all quoting a book written by men I can actually not have an arguement with you.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

Oh, really? You have attained perfection? Never a lustful thought? Never speak hatefully too or about anyone? Good job! Keep deluding yourself and you won't need to repent of anything again. You will never see God, but what the heck, right?

reply from: faithman

Oh, really? You have attained perfection? Never a lustful thought? Never speak hatefully too or about anyone? Good job! Keep deluding yourself and you won't need to repent of anything again. You will never see God, but what the heck, right?
Are you really that ignorant? here let me get you up to speed.2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.
1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Cr 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Cr 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Cr 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Cr 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
In spirit I am perfect because God has birthed a new spirit in me. Yes there is left over sin in my soul, and I am being santified from it, but it is no more I that do it but sin that dwells in me. The final act of salvation is the glorification of the body. You are the one who calls God a liar, and a really incompitant God who would birth a defective imperfect spirit in His saved ones. You do not rightly divide the word, and that is the root of your error. The scripture point blank says that the spirits of just men are made perfect and complete. Hebrews12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

reply from: ChristianSoldier

What kind of 'Christian Soldier' are you?
Do you not understand basic principles of warfare? Or for that matter basic principles of the body of Christ?
or for that matter basic principles of logic?
There are many members to the Body. The foot does not have to do what the hand does.
The infantry does not do what the air forces do.
All that is needed is that each does what they are assigned to do and accept the job assignments of everyone else.
Why are you such a disident to spiritual matters concerning
the use of the WHOLE body of Christ and ALL of the arsonal avaliable for warfare tactics?
You are a dissenter- NO, even more- a traitor to God's character accepting only part of Him..
So, which part of the body are you, Bob? The tounge exhorting others to violence, or the trigger finger doing the deadly deed?

reply from: tabithamarcotte

ZOMG I'm about to tear out my hair!! Is anyone but me frustrated that this forum has become a kind of battleground between Christians and others???
This is a PROLIFE FORUM, and it should stay that way! If you want to debate the aspects of Christianity, go somewhere that is designed for that! Don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian, but I know that arguing isn't going to do anything. As Christians we are supposed to love and guide one another to an enlightenment, not CONTINUALLY bicker about who's the bad Christian or whatever. We all have our opinions, but if it doesn't have to do with this forum, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!
PLEASE! For the sake of my sanity!!

reply from: bradensmommy

I wish it would stop but unfortunately they all want to quote their bibles and tell everyone they are going to hell.
I swear some of these people have to be related to Fred Phelps...actually I'm pretty certain of it. But I agree I wish they'd shut up and discuss what this forum is really about.

reply from: RobertFerguson

You reject God's Word, you reject Him. Simple as that. Read John 1 for details.

reply from: RobertFerguson

Oh, really?
God no longer see those "in Christ" as sinners.

reply from: RobertFerguson

The name is Robert to my friends and Mr Ferguson to those like you who refuse to give answer to their faith within them that God and provide proof that God shows favortism to the born child rabbing the preborn of an equal defense.
The Bible says God is not a respector of persons.
I'm the voice of reason that says that whatever force is justifiable to use in defense of the BORN child is equally justifiable to use in defense of the UNBORN child

reply from: faithman

Oh, really?
God no longer see those "in Christ" as sinners.
Are you really that ignorant? here let me get you up to speed.2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not. Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building. 1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1Cr 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 1Cr 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 1Cr 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 1Cr 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. In spirit I am perfect because God has birthed a new spirit in me. Yes there is left over sin in my soul, and I am being santified from it, but it is no more I that do it but sin that dwells in me. The final act of salvation is the glorification of the body. You are the one who calls God a liar, and a really incompitant God who would birth a defective imperfect spirit in His saved ones. You do not rightly divide the word, and that is the root of your error. The scripture point blank says that the spirits of just men are made perfect and complete. Hebrews12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

reply from: RobertFerguson

so all those oppposed to killing innocent babies are not welcome?
Must posters accept that Capital punishment is wrong?
Are anti-baby-killing advocates not welcome either?
You're very controling aren't you?
as a Christian you are told in scripture to be ready to give an account for your beliefs then do so.
If your views are correct, offer up this aledged substantial proof. Not doing so shows that your passive views and discrimiantion against the preborn having an equal defense to be WEAK! Very WEAK!
Why not just discuss why different tactics are rejected by some?

reply from: faithman

It was legal to kill jews and gypsies under nazy influence, so according to you, it was wrong for the under ground to shoot and blow up SS troops to stop the slaughter. I guess those in the warsaw getto should have just passivly got killed by the germans? No one has the right to stop murder then. We just gotta stand by and watch the killers do thier thing. The vatican stood by and did nothing about Musilinnee, so I kind understand them stand passively by as babies are killed, and even offering a bounty to aide and abed a killer government. I understand secular humanist such as the christ hating CP who would protect a killer sister over a second class niece or nephue in the womb, But if we are truely going to be pro-life, then life must be protected with the same methods across the board. We should not care about opinions of enemies with in, or without. Either a womb child is a person or not.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

so all those oppposed to killing innocent babies are not welcome?
Must posters accept that Capital punishment is wrong?
Are anti-baby-killing advocates not welcome either?
You're very controling aren't you?
as a Christian you are told in scripture to be ready to give an account for your beliefs then do so.
If your views are correct, offer up this aledged substantial proof. Not doing so shows that your passive views and discrimiantion against the preborn having an equal defense to be WEAK! Very WEAK!
Why not just discuss why different tactics are rejected by some?
I'm not saying that only those opposed to baby-killing and anti-life people are not welcome, because they are, but what I am saying is that forum is to discuss ABORTION, not to argue over who is not a good Christian and who is.
The bottom line, we should stick to the topic. I think quoting God's word is a very good way to promote the pro-life arguement, but non-believers aren't going to buy it since they don't know our God! If a pro-choice person is Christian and will want to hear about what God says then by all means, quote the Bible. But not everyone is, so God will use us to convince them by other means.
What I'm saying is, stop bashing each other and let's work together. It doesn't matter in the pro-life area whether you are a Christian pro-life person, an atheist, a Muslim, a Jew, a Buhddist, a Hindu, a Sikhist, or any other religion. We all share one common thing, and that is we believe in the right to live for EVERY person, including the unborn.
So stop bickering for heaven's sake.

reply from: RobertFerguson

Two things.
1)A Christian cannot be "pro", in favor of; a right to willfully kill preborn children.
2) "prolife" is not my God.
I WILL NOT SILENCE THE SCRIPTURE in order to accomodate someones preferences. God's Word goes forth whether you or anyone else likes it.
It's His Word FIRST!

reply from: bradensmommy

Ya know what Mr. Robert Ferguson or whatever the heck name you go by. I now know you have to be in some relation as Fred Phelps. You can join the iggy bin with your friends Faithman and Christian Soldier. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
I'm sure you like them are going to try to talk to me like I know what you are saying, but unfortunately for you I'm not and I refuse to.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

In response to Mr. Ferguson....
1) A Christian can be in favor of pro-choice but he would be either very misled or very ignorant; he wouldn't be a true Christian. That is why I said he would be more apt to listen to Scripture....
2) I didn't say prolife was a God. Read my post again.
You are totally missing my point. My point is, stop arguing over how and just do it! If you want to use Scripture, that is fine but it might not reach some people! That is all I said if you would actually listen. I'm not trying to be controlling, I'm just pointing out what seems to be going wrong.
We are on the same side so you don't have to act like I'm your enemy.

reply from: RobertFerguson

tabithamarcotte,
Those who seek to have the scriptures silenced even a little are no friends of mine.
A Christian CAN NOT be prochoice. Thos ein fovor of chocie conceed that one of these choices is death. The Bible says that murderers do NOT see the kingdom of heaven. Christians on the other hand DO se the kingdom of heavemn. Thereofre therr are no prochocie Christians in heaven.
The ones who are bad mouthing are those who bad mouth those who use force. I am all for the other tactics used in defense. I have not bad mouthed any. It is important to not just "do it" but to understand that we should accept all the just defenses available.
The Bible says that Iron sharpens Iron. If we do not discuss all of these options, then we would be dull. Which is what many prolifers are as they refuse to see the fuctions of the rest of the body.

reply from: RobertFerguson

I'm quite sure from listening to you yap, that you have no idea, no understanding of God's character. Isn't that right?

reply from: faithman

...and I am just a little tired Of the prissy missy pagan throwing the word biggot around. I have work with, and suplied material to, anybody who is Pro-life. Just ask the agnostic Yodavater about the poster I supplied him. She has continuosly lied and ssaid she would stop posting on threads about christian issues, but does so anyway. If you want to believe in a false religion and go to hell, you certainly free to do so. I have no fear of a smart mouthed little girl who is trying to pretend to be so big bad pagan. You are a sad individual to be pittied and prayed for. So go back to your caldrin and grow up.

reply from: JohnGlenn

Woe to the person who smoothly, flirtatiously, commandingly, convincingly preaches some soft, sweet some thing which is supposed to be Christianity!
Woe to the person who makes miracles reasonable. Woe to the person who betrays and breaks the mystery of faith, distorts it into public wisdom, because he takes away the possibility of offense!
... Oh the time wasted in this enormous work of making Christianity so reasonable, and in trying to make it so relevant!

reply from: JohnGlenn

Originally posted by: LetFreedomRing
God doesn't hate anyone. Read John 3:16.

Woe to the person who smoothly, flirtatiously, commandingly, convincingly preaches some soft, sweet some thing which is supposed to be Christianity!
Woe to the person who makes miracles reasonable. Woe to the person who betrays and breaks the mystery of faith, distorts it into public wisdom, because he takes away the possibility of offense!
... Oh the time wasted in this enormous work of making Christianity so reasonable, and in trying to make it so relevant!

reply from: JohnGlenn

If his foundation is one based on faith in God, then he does not need something more. You may need it. He however does not.

reply from: JohnGlenn

The Bible upsets you that much huh?

reply from: JohnGlenn

Originally posted by: tabithamarcotte
This is a PROLIFE FORUM, and it should stay that way! If you want to debate the aspects of Christianity, go somewhere that is designed for that!
If a person has a foundation dedicated on faith they will desire to include their dedication to their faith in all aspects of their life. In fact the might even be commanded by their faith to do so/Faith is a part of their life/why should they go elsewhere? Who died and made you god?

reply from: faithman

The Bible upsets you that much huh?
Pagans don't like being remind how depraved and sinful they are. They prefer the darkness of their false religion over the light and truth of the Lord Jesus Christ. this one likes to run their mouth and talk about how big bad feminist pagan they are. we are supposed to be affraid of. REally pathetic. It would be laughable if it worn't so sad. Poor little hell bound thing. Just can't seem to get over that ole pagan pride.

reply from: JohnGlenn

yet you just pleaded for the believers to not use this "good way to promote the pro-life arguement" in your other post.
You sought them to "go someplace" other than here, a prolife forum; to use God's word implying this, a prolife forum; is not the right place for a "good way to promote the prolife arguement"
You're double minded. Scripture says the double minded man is unstable in ALL their ways.

reply from: JohnGlenn

http://www.lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Pro-life_Product/cards/action-card-34.jpg

reply from: JohnGlenn

The Bible upsets you that much huh?
Pagans don't like being remind how depraved and sinful they are. They prefer the darkness of their false religion over the light and truth of the Lord Jesus Christ. this one likes to run their mouth and talk about how big bad feminist pagan they are. we are supposed to be affraid of. REally pathetic. It would be laughable if it worn't so sad. Poor little hell bound thing. Just can't seem to get over that ole pagan pride.
it is very sad. she will be confined to hell, separated from God's mercy for eternity

reply from: bradensmommy

The Bible upsets you that much huh?
Pagans don't like being remind how depraved and sinful they are. They prefer the darkness of their false religion over the light and truth of the Lord Jesus Christ. this one likes to run their mouth and talk about how big bad feminist pagan they are. we are supposed to be affraid of. REally pathetic. It would be laughable if it worn't so sad. Poor little hell bound thing. Just can't seem to get over that ole pagan pride.
it is very sad. she will be confined to hell, separated from God's mercy for eternity
Ok, what the heck is going on here in this forum? A bible thumpers convention? Its sad when people are so ignorant they don't understand that their religious holidays where FROM Pagan traditions.
Keep on calling me names because you know what? YOU are the hypocrite just like the rest of the bible posters here. You will be on iggy as well.

reply from: RobertFerguson

Most Christians will not realize how anti-Christ their government is until the door is slammed shut on their box car.

reply from: faithman

I find it funny that someone SSSSOOOO stupid, and SSSSOOO ignorant, cries out for others to get educated.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

And to all those who think I'm "doubleminded" and whatever else, I'm simply saying some people won't understand arguments based on Scripture because they are unfamiliar with it.
Also, what I was seeing was people arguing over who was not a good Christian and such, and that is not what this forum is about. You take me for some fake Christian but what I'm trying to convey is that if you stop arguing with each other and me, Jesus' message can be spread. Say all the Scripture you want, but that might not always turn people. God talks to us in more ways than the Bible.
Don't tell me anything I've already heard and don't accuse me of things I have not said. Thanks for listening.

reply from: JohnKWalker

Although I wholeheartedly agree with those reasonable people who point out that this is a pro-life forum, and that nasty quasi-religious insults have basically ruined it (which is why I have stopped posting), before you get into some serious trouble and/or perpetrate some serious damage, it needs to be pointed out that your "Nazi" analogy is totally inapplicable, simply because we live in a democracy (albeit one whose republican structure has been severely corrupted by the Supreme Court's lies), whereas, obviously, Nazi Germany was a totalitarian dictatorship. In fact, it would not have been morally sufficient to merely attempt to protect as many of its victims as possible; only an active effort to overthrow such an illegitimate government would have been morally licit (easy for us to say from our protected positions...).
Does anyone know whether posters have been banned here for either irrelevancy or abusive messages? Since many people here seem unable to stick to the subject, this forum will probably die of its own accord, since censoring it would defeat the purpose. In nearly every area of life, people do not seem to understand the difference between "freedom" (exercising one's own responsibility) and "license" (an unsustainable arrangement of not being held accountable). If people don't control themselves, some structural authority will always end up doing it for them, in order to PRESERVE freedom (in this case, of expression) over anarchy, a state in which the exercise of freedom is impossible for most people, since it is based on "might makes right," rather than on universally recognized rights.
So those of you intent on bullying and insults (some in the name of Christianity!) are actually destroying yourselves in a deeply hypocritical, Hollywood-like fashion.

reply from: faithman

Although I wholeheartedly agree with those reasonable people who point out that this is a pro-life forum, and that nasty quasi-religious insults have basically ruined it (which is why I have stopped posting), before you get into some serious trouble and/or perpetrate some serious damage, it needs to be pointed out that your "Nazi" analogy is totally inapplicable, simply because we live in a democracy (albeit one whose republican structure has been severely corrupted by the Supreme Court's lies), whereas, obviously, Nazi Germany was a totalitarian dictatorship. In fact, it would not have been morally sufficient to merely attempt to protect as many of its victims as possible; only an active effort to overthrow such an illegitimate government would have been morally licit (easy for us to say from our protected positions...).
Does anyone know whether posters have been banned here for either irrelevancy or abusive messages? Since many people here seem unable to stick to the subject, this forum will probably die of its own accord, since censoring it would defeat the purpose. In nearly every area of life, people do not seem to understand the difference between "freedom" (exercising one's own responsibility) and "license" (an unsustainable arrangement of not being held accountable). If people don't control themselves, some structural authority will always end up doing it for them, in order to PRESERVE freedom (in this case, of expression) over anarchy, a state in which the exercise of freedom is impossible for most people, since it is based on "might makes right," rather than on universally recognized rights.
So those of you intent on bullying and insults (some in the name of Christianity!) are actually destroying yourselves in a deeply hypocritical, Hollywood-like fashion.
Germany was a democracy before hitler was voted in. We are loosing our country to secular humanist. I believe my analogy fits perfectly. It is your pretence of civility that will inslave us all.

reply from: RobertFerguson

Many "bible thumpers" do not celebrate these rituals. I have noticed a few here too, so your claim is errant

reply from: RobertFerguson

If you are not an anti-christ type, you should be able ot provide scripture that says to not use God's Word.
Scripture actually says the Law of the Lordis perfect and converts the soul. see Ps 19:7 You have probably even sang the song and stil reject it's premises. Gads!
Scripture also says that the FEAR of God is the beginning of wisdom. That scripture wil NOT return void.
Do we really need to discuss the virtues and benefits of posting scritures and scriptural principles?

reply from: RobertFerguson

won't happen.
See http://forums.delphiforums.com/prolifeviews for proof.
going strong for years now..

reply from: faithman

Romans chapter13 verses 1-4
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Preamble of Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. - Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. - And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
- John Hancock
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

reply from: JohnGlenn

For a guy without an agenda, you sure focus on one thing alot.
With so many threads about one topic, one can see how you have concluded God is impotent and NEEDS YOU.


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