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"I'm pro-life but I'm against outlawing abortion."

by: AshMarie88

I still don't understand this. I personally don't think ONLY outlawing abortion should be the only thing done, but to be against outlawing it at all is such a strange thing.
There was a debate on another group and the mod (who says she is pro-life) posted this:
"I KNOW I stated in the group description that this was NOT a debate group.
Since my recent change in philosophy, I would probably be considered pro-choice in that I do not want to see Roe v. Wade overturned. HOWEVER, I AM interested in lowering the abortion rate by any means possible. Countries like France, where motherhood is valued and birth control is distributed in schools, have extremely low abortion rates. And it's perfectly legal there. On the other hand, many countries where abortion is OUTLAWED have extremely HIGH abortion rates. I am interested in PREVENTING abortions. Not outlawing them.
My definition of pro-life is wanting to prevent abortion. If you are interested in preventing abortion, whether you believe it should be legal or not, this is the place for you. If, however, you are here ONLY because you want to debate with us, then leave. Or I'm kicking you out. There are other groups for that.
Thank you for your time and courtesy."
My response:
"You want to prevent the killing of children but you don't want to outlaw the killing of children?
I don't think making it illegal is the ONLY thing that should be done, but I am for making it illegal. Just like how slavery was made illegal after it was stopped, and just like how oppression on women stopped after their right to vote was made legal.
I guess we should make slavery legal again in that case..."
How can someone be interested in LOWERING the abortion rates? Who wants them LOWERED? I want them STOPPED completely!
Can someone still explain to me how someone can have this view, yet still be against abortion? I'm so confused about it.

reply from: ThunderKitten

Either she believes outlawing abortion to be ineffective, or perhaps even counterproductive. Ask her if this is the case, and also ask if she's against outlawing abortion, or simply thinks it would be better to focus her energy on a different aspect of the problem. From my perspective, the phrase
could mean either it's simply not her goal to overturn it OR she's against overturning it.
She probably thinks stopping them is impossible, and so wants them reduced as much as possible. Simply ask her if she'd like abortion to end completely. My guess is that she'd say yes.

reply from: holopaw

I bet she gives you some Baby Killing mumbo jumbo about back alley abortions if abortion is made illegal.

reply from: yoda

"My definition of pro-life is wanting to prevent abortion. "
There's the problem right there. When people go around making up their own definitions of well established terms, they are whistling in the wind.
"Prolife" is well established and defined as "one who favors making abortion illegal", and no idiot poster has any authority to change that definition.

reply from: Hereforareason

"Countries like France, where motherhood is valued and birth control is distributed in schools, have extremely low abortion rates. And it's perfectly legal there."
Is she interested in lowering ABORTION rates....or in protecting the lives of the unborn and woman?
Hello people! Birth control distributed in schools??!!!!!!!?? Problem, anyone?
What does it tell a child when you explain sex to them and give them birth control? Does it mean, don't do it? Nooooo it means do it, have fun but don't get caught! (pregnant!!!)
Here's how I see the issue and I know that many of you don't fully agree with me, but here it is.
Sex before marriage is wrong.
Many birth controls cause abortions. (Birth control of any kind is playing God in trying to determine how many children you have. Yes I know, big can of worms...)
Abortion ends a life. it is "premature murder".
I am not interested in handing out birth control and lowing the amount of abortions. I want it stopped completly and our children taught to excerisize self control.
Amber

reply from: Shiprahagain

France's abortion rate is low compared to what? America, maybe, but what about African and Middle Eastern countries?

reply from: Ayame

See, I actually think that the way they are handing out b/c now is the best, because honestly, I believe if they stopped handing it out, then there would be more females getting abortions, which sickens me. But I also wonder, "will girls stop having sex?" Honestly I don't know, so that is an iffy situation.

reply from: bradensmommy

Well, I see it as this: As long as there are human beings in this world there will always be sex.
I believe people need to be more mature and smart about it though.

reply from: JosieCashew

A couple years ago I read an article about the number of abortions decreasing in this country, and a proabort was quoted whining about how upset this made her. Huh? I thought fewer abortions were good for BOTH sides, since basically no one wants to go through one!
From what I remember from the article, prolifers were blamed for it, of course. I wonder if any pro aborts realized (or allowed themselves to realize) that a partial reason for the aborton drop was that many of the females who might of had them (as well as males who would have impregnated the females) WERE ABORTED!!!!! The proaborts own cause was hurting them!

reply from: faithman

This is an old proabort tactic. Try to falsely indentify with pro-life, so you can under cut the pro-life position from with in. The Government has sent many into the pro-life ranks to take over leadership to do the same thing. That is why abortion on demand has remained legal for over 30 years.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

You just HAD to make this an attack on Christians, didn't you!?
Could it be there are sound sociological reasons, apart from purely moral ones, where sex outside of marriage isn't the best route?
Because you are so selfish that your precious right to screw anything in sight might be hindered, you are all for instilling in the heads of children the "if it feels good" mentality.
Never mind the impact on children raised in fatherless homes because selfish, lust filled idiots can't keep their pants zipped and then bail out on their pregnant partners in lust.
(Its no wonder men seek other men looking for the love of a man that was never in their lives. Then they get their deeper needs all tied up in misplaced sexual behavior, and we're right back to "if it feels good do it". At least they won't be procreating.)
And you call yourself concernedparent? That's laughable.
Of course, you won't worry about the ever growing welfare rolls of single parent homes either, will you, as long as you can protect your right to have sex, whenever, with who ever.
There is only one sure fire way to prevent unwanted pregnancy. ABSTAIN. That goes for Christians and non-Christians, genius.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

concernedparent -
Firstly, its late and I haven't read your last post through. I will. But before I hang it up for the night, let me just point out that you were the one to drag Christians into this thread.
You need to take a good, hard look at your own assumptions and self-rightousness, bucky.
Pax

reply from: ChristianSoldier

State your source.
From what I have seen of your posts is that you go to great lengths to refute any reference to God that crops up. As I stated, only you referred directly to CHRISTIANS originally in this thread.
You are quite handy dispensing scripture from a book you don't believe in. Why the panic to deter folks who read your posts from Christianity? What inspires you to go to such great lengths? If you are wrong (and you are) about salvation and eternal damnation, you are contributing to souls being lost.
That's just wrong.
Jesus loves you. I'll pray you gain an Eternal, rather than a worldly, viewpoint before its to late for you.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Let's see -- so far non-Christians have forced me to
use my tax money for abortions and contraception for others
threaten my job security should I choose to become a pharmacist and not aid in abortion
force my child to learn the secular religion of evolutionism (no you don't have to affirm or negate the presence of a deity to be a religion i.e. Buddhism) ignoring such logical fallacies as where CH4 and NH3 came from to form abiotically synthesized prebiotic organic soup when leading evolutionists like Urey admit they weren't outgassed by volcanoes. Never mind the fact that it's impossible for a non-pelagic eobiont to become photoautotrophic with no defense again sunlight.
join the UNFPA, IMF, and World Bank to use more of my tax money to fund forced abortion, sterilization, and contraception worldwide
caused the abortion Holocaust, the second greatest holocaust in human history after African slave deaths and Amer. Indian genocide
through abortion, made breast cancer a rampant disease
and on and on.
Perhaps non-Christians should stop worrying about the supposed threat of Christians to the world when they are doing a pretty good job of screwing it up with their own morals and infringing upon people's freedoms.

reply from: faithman

Ya know, I get tired of hearing about crusades, when an unholy war has been declared against faith in christ for a very long time, with milliond more being killed than any action ever taken by the christian world. Islam kills christians, communism kills christians, and the secular humanist kill christians rights to proclaim the good news that Christ died for sinners.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Well, SOME ppl from many religions have killed others in the name of their faith while others never used their faith as an excuse of barbarity.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

State your source.
Still waiting for the source of your Christian abortion stats, too.
EVOLUTION IS A THEORY. PERIOD.
Are your godless, liberal, homosexual friends shoving "King and King" down the throats of 7 year olds practicing good science, too? Or is our culture simply evolving to its most perverse form?
You may have crawled out of the slime, bucky, but the rest of us were Created.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

I'm glad you brought up the subject of Gravity.
Please be sure to store all of your heavy items on the bottom shelves and your lighter items up top, thereby decreasing the gravitational demand and conserving gravity.
Once we run out, we're doomed.

reply from: ThunderKitten

Most people would find that their tax money supports at least something they deeply oppose. The only way to ensure that people are not irate about how their money is used is to abolish taxes, period. Perhaps we could replace taxation with voluntary donations. Or we could simply do away with the government altogether.
If that would be too difficult and/or create more problems, then we'll just have to attempt to convince the government to spend our money in ways we agree with. But with hundreds of millions of people in this country, I doubt they'll be able to make everybody happy.
Out of curiosity, which non-Christians in public office have funded abortion and contraception? I was not aware that non-Christians were common in public offices. Also, have any Christians politicians funded those measures?
Let's abolish forced education, period, then you won't have that problem. Even if we all agree that there are certain things that ALL children should know, why should it be mandatory? There are no laws specifying that by the age of two toddlers should know how to use a spoon, or that teenagers should be able to cook or know where the grocery store is, despite the fact that feeding oneself is critical for survival. Why should reading/academics be any different? I think we should assume that a parent has their child's best interest at heart. Besides, there are already laws that cover cases where they don't. I don't think mandated "education" (read- state sponsered ideology) needs to be one of them.

reply from: Shiprahagain

When I say non-Christians, I include those who hold the title Christian but none of few of the beliefs.
The fact is in France, the population and government are so concerned with preserving "la laicite" that it has become an excuse of persecution of religious people and those of color. Secular oppression forbids girls who wear the hijab to attend school and threatens to make the hijab illegal in all contexts -- those who hate Middle Eastern and African immigrants use the preservation of a secular society to persecute those who believe differently. Since France has socialized medicine, the gov't controls the care the population receives -- it is illegal for women to ask for care from female doctors because this is seen as a sign of religious belief entering the gov't. So a woman who doesn't want a mammogram from a man has know grounds on which to object.
In China, Christians are regularly trialed, jailed, tortured, etc. I'm not impressed by an obscure prejudiced "Christian" textbook. Worldwide, Christianity is not a threat to freedom the way secularism is. And trying to search out Christian oppression as a threat in face of overwhelming secular domination is the folly of those bigots who so hate religion they can't see that it's not the biggest threat.
As for prebiotic soup- nice way to conveniently sidestep the impossibility of its existence. And as for the difference btw religion and science -- spoken like someone who knows so little of religion -- read the Vedas, study the beliefs of Achuar and the Chamococo, read the Upanishads, Ramayana, and Mahabharata and see if you reach the same conclusion. Evolution is a theory full of holes while Creationism is being explored even in the halls of Oxford. The Bible describes men being shaped from clay -- montmorillonite holds all the amino acids necessary for DNA and biota.
Evolution as religion
by David Unfred
Evolution as a religious system has been adopted by many students, scholars and laypeople as a way to explain the origin and the development of the cosmos and all life including man. They are building their lives on the following beliefs:
Space, matter and time are the infinite and the eternal trinity. It is neither being created or destroyed, only changing in form and essence;
Because time is infinite, the potential of accidents to happen, for example, the formation of life from previously nonliving matter, becomes not only possible, but probable;
All life that exists today is the result of these chance accidents occurring in time and giving rise to a process of continued upward development of life on Earth. Man, ape, dog, cat, ant and plant, all life, at one distant point in time arose from at least one common ancestor.
The implications of these religious beliefs on Christianity have not been overlooked by the non-Christian. In his book Before Civilization, Professor Colin Renfrew, commenting on the impact of Darwin's original statement of the General Theory of Evolution, writes
With his [Darwin's] Descent of Man, published in 1871, the theory was complete: a new model of human origins had been constructed which could replace the fundamentalist biblical one. Man was not a unique creation at the hand of God, but the product of a long evolutionary process; he evolved from the same humble marine ancestors as the rest of the animal kingdom.
In Science Ponders Religion, Curtly Mather of Harvard University views the impact of evolution on Christianity in this respect:
'When a theologian accepts evolution as the process used by the Creator, he must be willing to go all the way with it. Not only is it an orderly process, it is a continuing one. Nothing was finished on any seventh day; the process of creation is still going on ... Moreover, the creative process of evolution is not to be interrupted by any supernatural intervention ... The spiritual aspects of the life of man are just as surely a product of the processes called evolution as are his brain and nervous system.'
Thus there was no historic Adam and Eve who were sinless creatures created in the image of God. There was no historic Fall of mankind because of original sin. Death was not a penalty of sin, since death has always been an inseparable part of life from the beginning. And what of the atoning work of Christ on the cross? His death is not needed because the process marches onward and upward. So would argue the evolutionist.
Sir Julian Huxley, evolutionist and biologist, states his faith in this way, 'For my own part, the sense of spiritual relief which comes from rejecting the idea of God as a supernatural being is enormous... Darwinism removed the whole idea of God as the creator of organisms from the sphere of rational discussion.' As geneticist and evolutionist Theodosius Dobzhansky metaphorically announces,
'Evolution is a light which illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must follow. '
Is it because evolution is a religious system built on individual faith that makes its proponents so fervent in their support? No matter how compelling, how complete the evidences against the General Theory of Evolution may be, or how impressive the evidence for the biblical account of creation and the Flood-Judgment, the community of secular scientists will never concede the fundamental fallacy of their religious system in favour of Scripture. Why? To accept the Creation model or the Flood-Judgment model as viable scientific models would also require the acceptance of the Creator Christ Jesus, and this they cannot do. 'Our faith in the idea of evolution depends on our reluctance to accept the antagonistic doctrine of special creation', says the evolutionist.
Dr. Loren Eiseley in his book The Immense Journey has summarised his position and the position of his colleagues in this way: 'After having chided the theologian on his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what after long effort, could not he proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.'
Evolution makes religious claims on the basis of a presumed flow of history. It is a religious system which is against Christ and His church. One system of faith denies the other. Evolution is a contemporary creation myth, not really so different from the creation myths of the ancients. In evolution the names of the gods are shrouded in the scientific jargon of the age and culture.
By contrast, the creationist who believes that the Bible is inerrant revelation from God about God, must then believe that the God who created the universe, life and man, is capable of communicating the significant details of this event. To relegate the first eleven chapters of Genesis to mythology is to deny the Creator this ability to communicate. The Word of God makes religious claims in conjunction with historical claims. Jesus illustrated this inseparable linkage when He asked Nicodemus, 'You do not believe me when I tell you about the things of this world; how will you ever believe me then when I tell you about things of heaven?' (John 3:12).
Jesus is the true light of this world which illumines all facts - not evolution. Jesus is the Word, the trajectory along which all lines of thought must follow in order to be true - not evolution.
Any truth that is known concerning what has happened in history is contained in the Messiah, the Son of God. All knowledge must be Christ-centered. To the degree that any man knows truth, to that degree he has encountered Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Professor Peter Medawar has had this to say about a fellow evolutionist, Karl Popper,
'I think Popper is incomparably the greatest philosopher of science that has ever been.' What does Popper have to say about evolution? In his autobiography Unended Quest, Karl Popper writes, 'I have come to the conclusion that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme - a possible fromework for testable scientific theories ... This is of course the reason why Darwinism has been almost universally accpeted. Its theory of adaptation was the first nontheistic one that was convincing; and theism was worse than an open admission of failure, for it created the impression that on ultimate explanation has been reached.'
Karl Popper views evolution not as a science, but as a 'possible framework' on which to build 'testable scientific theories'. Creationist academics have successfully argued that their belief system is a better framework upon which to build scientific theories. Theories, for example, concerning the development of speech capability and the proliferation of the various languages will be constructed totally different depending on whether the investigator begins from Scripture or the evolutionist worldview. The decision the scientist must make is upon which framework to build his theories - the framework communicated by God to man, or the framework built by man to avoid the need for God. The scientific theories of both the creationist and the evolutionist are subject to the accuracy of their respective assumptions of origins. If the framework is myth, what are the theories derived from the framework? Should they be considered no more than merely embellishments of the original myth? Is the 'ultimate explanation' found in evolution as contemporary man insists, or is the ultimate truth revealed in the Scriptures that Popper and his friends have rejected? As the Scriptures testify, 'Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness. They say they are wise, but they are fools; instead of worshipping the immortal God, they worship images made to look like mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.' (Romans 1:20 - 22)
'Darwin argued that all species evolved in gradual fashion, leading to man. But some experts now contend evolution occurred in relatively sudden leaps', reports Newsweek (November 3, 1980). In the periodical Science (August 22, 1980) we read, 'The sudden disappearance of more than 70 percent of all living species on land and in the ocean 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous Period, is a major event in the history of the earth ... Hypotheses proposed to explain the terminal Cretaceous extinction include:
spillover of the Arctic Ocean, causing a severe change in the earth's climate,
magnetic reversal,
radiation from a recent supernova, and
meteorite impact.'
Why, after over one hundred years of evolutionist theory of gradual change, is there the necessity for 'sudden leaps' and 'sudden disappearances'? What current events have driven some evolutionists to search for catastrophic episodes with which they feel they must fortify their position? Could a major reason be that the Word of God is penetrating areas into which it has too long been thought impotent and irrelevant?
Christians with scientific and technical training are rediscovering that the Word of God is not a hazy Jewish myth, but is today still sharper than any two-edged sword destroying the false dogma and the contrived doctrines of men. Evolutionist Beverly Halstead writes in New Scientist (July 1980): 'Palaeontology and the theory of evolution are under attack from a curious variety of sources. There has been a recent upsurge of books and articles condemning the idea of evolution and the fossil record in particular, while at the same time urging a return to the revealed truth documented in the Bible. This new generation of fundamentalist tracts differs from its predecessors in the level of sophistication. Moreover, for the first time the tracts' views are receiving a sympathetic echo from the British Museum [Natural History] London.'
With increasing rapidity the evolutionists are having to abandon the position of gradual upward development occurring over eons of time. The data being discovered in the fossil record can no longer be relied upon to defend the process of gradual change. It is the fossil record on which the General Theory of Evolution most heavily rests. Fossils are mostly the remains of creatures and plants which died and were suddenly buried in such a manner as to be preserved as an impression in stone or as casts where minerals have replaced the organic structures. The numbers and types of animals and plants preserved as fossils attest to a sudden and cataclysmic burial: the preservation in stone of a butterfly's impression with the delicate markings on its fragile wings still visible; or the fossilised remains of two small dinosaurs which were frozen in battle, preserved in stone by a flood of sediment which suddenly overtook them. The gradual processes of the General Theory of Evolution and the cataclysmic fossil record cannot be reconciled. In order to salvage the evolutionary theory, more theories explaining the sudden appearances of living species must now be brought into existence.
As new scientific discoveries are made and as new facts emerge, the General Theory of Evolution will continue to be changed; of this we can be certain. We can also be certain that because the Word of God is true, the biblical account of the Creation and the Flood-Judgment will continue to be illuminated in such a way as to testify to the glory of God.
"A Defense of Creationism"
Go to: Introduction (Version 2.2) Copyright 1998-99, Paul Abramson, Most Rights Reserved http://www.creationism.org/genesis.htm

If you read and study you might learn something.
This will be my last post on this on this thread as this isn't the place or time, but everyone on the thread was content to discuss the issue without bashing religions except you so you should expect a response.

reply from: coco

christian soldier
"Are your godless, liberal, homosexual"
Hey christian soldier this comment doesnt sound so "christian" does the word "TOLERANCE" mean anything to you?? How about the phrase "love thy neghboir??? Or does that only go for people who hold your religious beliefs?? I AM VERY LIBERAL AND PROUD OF IT!!! I JUST DONT LIKE THAT THEY DONT OPPOSE ABORTION!!
Are your godless, liberal, homosexual

reply from: bradensmommy

I have a friend who is pro-choice but I LOVE one of her tags:
"May the fetus you save be gay"
I had to share that...with so many homophobes on this forum I thought it would be appropriate!

reply from: Shiprahagain

Homophobia
The term "homophobia" is often used inaccurately to describe any person who objects to homosexual behavior on either moral, psychological or medical grounds. Technically, however, the terms actually denotes a person who has a phobia--or irrational fear--of homosexuality. Principled disagreement, therefore, cannot be labeled "homophobia." http://narth.com/menus/positionstatements.html

I don't like the idea of tolerance -- love the sinner, hate the sin, but don't tolerate either one.

reply from: coco

Bradensmommy,
That was too FUNNY!!! love that were can I get that at?? I love the gays, hell I love EVERYONE!! YES, even the "BABY KILLERS", dare I say that too??

reply from: holopaw

Exactly. I don't hate gays, I don't fear them. I am also not ever going to condone their lifestyle. It is a perversion.

reply from: bradensmommy

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reply from: coco

thier are perversions that straight people have!!! why only pick on the gays??? some say that sex outside of missionary style is perverse as well do you believe this??

reply from: bradensmommy

Did you know spaghetti is also straight til ya heat it up!

reply from: coco

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reply from: bradensmommy

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Try copy/paste

reply from: coco

State your source.
Still waiting for the source of your Christian abortion stats, too.
EVOLUTION IS A THEORY. PERIOD.
Are your godless, liberal, homosexual friends shoving "King and King" down the throats of 7 year olds practicing good science, too? Or is our culture simply evolving to its most perverse form?
You may have crawled out of the slime, bucky, but the rest of us were Created.
superiority issues huh christian???, WOULD JESUS BE PROUD?? HMMMMM, I think NOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

reply from: coco

that is a CLASSIC saying!!! HA!! HA!!! HA!! Some on here maybe thinking, may braddensmommy choke on her witches brew, and burn in hell!!! GIRL you are a trip!!!

reply from: bradensmommy

Oh probably cause I'm not a good little girl..I'm honest, straightforward, and uh, oh yeah...a b*tch!
But I'm sure fun!

reply from: ThunderKitten

What the heck is "King and King"? Is it a story where two countries settle their disputes through diplomacy? How would diplomacy be bad?
Is there a nude scene or swearing in the movie or something?

reply from: coco

Oh probably cause I'm not a good little girl..I'm honest, straightforward, and uh, oh yeah...a b*tch!
But I'm sure fun!
I am also straight forward and I would rather be like that then sugar coat!!! but I LIKE your sense of HUMOR!!

reply from: bradensmommy

and some people need to get their facts straight...my best friend is a gay man. He is pro-life and not very democratic. Not all dems are homosexuals/homolovers, pro-choice, and "Christ-hating"
I hate stereotypes, it makes people look more ignorant when they say things like that.

reply from: coco

can I get around of applause for the fag LOVERS??? I LOVE those gay-gays!!
p.s I am also a fun loving HUMANIST!!! HATE ON THAT!!!

reply from: laurissamarcotte

You know, I'm getting a little tired of people saying that just because some people aren't for gay marriage they're Christian extremists who want nothing other than to force Christianity onto everyone in sight. I love gay people also, but I don't love some of the things they do. I love pro-babykillers, but I don't love the fact that they support abortion. Just because you don't like what someone does doesn't mean you hate the person.

reply from: coco

Are your godless, liberal, homosexual friends shoving "King and King" down the throats of 7 year olds practicing good science, too? Or is our culture simply evolving to its most perverse form?
I think the above statement sounds pretty hatefilled and self rightous dont you think???

reply from: laurissamarcotte

So just because one person says something it automatically applies to everyone who has the same stance as that person?

reply from: coco

Oh an laurissa NOBODY on here mentioned "GAY MARRIAGE" christian solder said and I quote "homosexual friends"!!
P.S GAY PRIDE/ALL PEOPLE PRIDE!!!

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Well when I said "gay marriage" I meant homosexuality in general

reply from: coco

Well when I said "gay marriage" I meant homosexuality in general
USUALLY people dont, at least the ones that I know, dont equate your sexuallity with marriage!! If that is the case all unmarried people are gay because they are not married, correct??? And you could think whatever you want about anything or anyone, if you were a white sheet that is your opinoin I respect that right to your opinion but I wouldnt agree with your "insite".
"So just because one person says something it automatically applies to everyone who has the same stance as that person?"
And if you noticed I DONT apply everyones theories together!!! I am against that I am not of a simple mind THINGS THAT YOU SAY ONLY APPLY TO YOU SO ON AND SO FORTH!! when did I say that all of you think in this way?? NEVER!! Thank you and have a great night filled with LOVE for EVERYONE!!!

reply from: bradensmommy

I don't know who you are referring to, but I get tired of the Christian extremists who yell out to other people who aren't Christian that they are going to hell. I can't stand ignorant people and I don't tolerate it either(I'm not saying you are any of the things I said, I just want to state my point).

reply from: bradensmommy

I don't know if you have ever heard of Margaret Cho, but she is grrreat! I love when she does her impression of her mom "Are YOU the gay?"

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

A round of applause for those who engage in buggery?
In school I learned about the "reproductive system" and the "digestive system".
The walls of the vagina are thick and durable, and built for a job may I add.
The walls of the lower intestine are thin and porous, transmitting fluids easily between the digestive tract and blood stream. May I add, the digestive system is also designed to carry on a very important function; for without digestion and waste elimination we could not live.
Sodomy can tear the walls of the lower intestine. Fluids are easily transmitted. Disease such as HIV/AIDs are easily trasmitted through the walls of the digestive system into the blood stream. As I recall, the upper intestine removes nutrients, whereas the lower intestine absorbs water.
Homosexual practices, which include sodomy (buggery), are highly dangerous to one's health and survival. No one should assault and abuse their lower digestive system, which is so important and necessary to life.
Why do you think they call buggers a pain in the butt (rear)? These preverse practices kill. The life span of those who engage in homosexual acts is not longer than the average American lifespan, it's less than 50.

reply from: bradensmommy

yeah, and even STRAIGHT men engage in anal with their WIVES...
hmm...

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Two wrongs make a right?!?
The Bible has several health and quarantine laws. Besides not engaging in sodomy, the Bible also says men and women are not to have sexual relations during the woman's period (when she's bleeding).
I imagine many pay no heed to proper health and hygiene. However, that does not make reckless health endangering behavior appropriate.

reply from: bradensmommy

Two wrongs make a right?!?
The Bible has several health and quarantine laws. Besides not engaging in sodomy, the Bible also says men and women are not to have sexual relations during the woman's period (when she's bleeding).
I imagine many pay no heed to proper health and hygiene. However, that does not make reckless health endangering behavior appropriate.
I don't like anal sex but I know women who do, does that make them wrong? No. Is it YOUR right to tell someone how to have sex? No.
There is alot of things the Bible "says" not to do but even the most religious person doesn't follow them.
Guess what? I love having sex doggy style with my hair pulled does that make me wrong? NO.
Keep on quoting the bible though makes me laugh.

reply from: Shiprahagain

As for anal sex - why you'd want to have a dangerous form of sex is beyond me. It's immature and sick that someone would risk damaging their partner's health in that way. It's Godslawtolive's right to believe it's wrong -- what's your problem with his beliefs -- he's not forcing them on anybody. I don't know why the Bible makes you laugh, nor do I know why you have that INTOLERANT statement in your signature -- some Christians have annoyed you so you want to bash the savior of all Christians? You don't see me talking smack about the wiccan rede.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

What the heck is "King and King"? Is it a story where two countries settle their disputes through diplomacy? How would diplomacy be bad?
Is there a nude scene or swearing in the movie or something?
Its a nifty little fairy tale (no pun intended) designed to normalize perversion by instilling acceptance of homosexuality into young children.
http://www.massresistance.com/docs/issues/king_and_king/book.html

reply from: Shiprahagain

Yeah, cause venereal disease in your blood stream is hilarious.

reply from: bradensmommy

Yeah, cause venereal disease in your blood stream is hilarious.
err...I'm married and I don't like anal sex but I'm not going to condone it just because I don't like it. So I don't have any diseases like that thanks.
And keep blaming "non-Christians" since its okay for you to do it but when its the other way around you get all offended and start getting your "friends" to back you up.
Yeah, real mature.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

If this is the kind of things you want your kids exposed to, keep preaching tolerance...
Warning: GRAPHIC MATERIAL (not photos)
http://www.massresistance.com/docs/issues/black_book/black_book_inside.html

reply from: coco

IS THAT HOW YOU PUT A CONDOM ON?????

reply from: coco

IS THAT HOW YOU PUT A CONDOM ON?????

reply from: Shiprahagain

Yeah, cause venereal disease in your blood stream is hilarious.
err...I'm married and I don't like anal sex but I'm not going to condone it just because I don't like it. So I don't have any diseases like that thanks.
And keep blaming "non-Christians" since its okay for you to do it but when its the other way around you get all offended and start getting your "friends" to back you up.
Yeah, real mature.
I only attributed some actions commited by non-Christians too them, I don't tar all non-Christians with the same brush. Just as I attribute things Christians have done wrong like slavery to them. As you well know I have supported pagan prolifers and provided links to their websites all throughout this forum.

reply from: coco

LETS TURN A BLIND EYE AND MAYBE IT WONT HAPPEN!!! YOU KNOW THE GAYS ARE FILTHY WITH THEIR FUDGE PACKING WAYS AND SUCH, GOD FORBID THEY GET IN TO OUR CHILDRENS MIND AND TURN THEM TO THE DARKSIDE ASWELL!!!

reply from: coco

http://dlisted.com/2006/11/04/someone-slap-this-bitch-with-a-ten-incher/

MOST OF YOU WILL BE OFFENDED with the llink!!!

reply from: bradensmommy

But Wiccans are so horrible!!
Thanks for that link...shows that not every "Religious fanatic" is that good and holy.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

Sorry, not going to check out your link. Sounds like it made BM's day, though. Did it have something to do with Wiccans?
If everyone were good and holy, the world wouldn't need saving, would it?

reply from: ChristianSoldier

Was abstinence even mentioned in the booklet? I must have missed it.
Sounded like a gleeful promotion of the "Queer" (their term, not mine), lifestyle, as well as dissemination of live saving info.
There is a concerted effort to normalize perversion, just as abortion has been normalized.
You may be comfortable with your boys being indoctrinated, but my kids are too precious to me for me to stand silently by while a sick society screws with their heads.

reply from: holopaw

Yeah, cause venereal disease in your blood stream is hilarious.
err...I'm married and I don't like anal sex but I'm not going to condone it just because I don't like it. So I don't have any diseases like that thanks.
And keep blaming "non-Christians" since its okay for you to do it but when its the other way around you get all offended and start getting your "friends" to back you up.
Yeah, real mature.
I think you meant condemn anal sex. P.S. it's gross for heterosexuals too.

reply from: ChristianSoldier

If you think sex is a pain in the butt, you're doing something wrong.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Buggery literally is a pain in the butt. Sodomites are doing something wrong when they assault and damage their anus and lower intestine. But this world is filled with those acting in perverted manners. From killing pre-born children, to abusing another's digestive system, this world has it all. Jihadists are inspired by Satan and they are out to dominate the world for Allah and kill you. That's not paranoid chatter. (At 4 and 10eastern on FOX today watch: Obsession: Radical Islam's War on the West) It's a world gone insane. You see the insanity in Hollywood, a collection of sexual perverts putting filfth on the air.

reply from: yoda

Why post it then?
To offend people, perhaps?

reply from: bradensmommy

I think it would offend the high and mighty on this board who thinks that people like this guy would NEVER pay for prostitutes and have gay sex. Who would've thunk a respectable priest would do a thing like that?!?!

reply from: yoda

Are we focusing on the personalities of born people again? Does this hypocrite have anything to do with the morality of elective abortion? Does any hypocrite have anything to do with the morality of elective abortion?

reply from: faithman

http://s81.photobucket.com/alb...Page=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

reply from: coco

some people hold clergy on a pedistole and forget THEY ARE HUMAN ALSO!! who would have thought thier would be a meth gay preacher??? ANd some say its only the catholics!!! LOL!!!

reply from: yoda

And that relates to the morality of elective abortion in exactly what way...........??????

reply from: coco

Are you addressing this question to me??

reply from: ThunderKitten

Um... I don't think it does. I think we're talking about homosexuality now.
Yes, yodavater was addressing you.
LMAO!!
Offensive? How?! It was hillarious!
Comeon, we've gotta lighten the mood once in a while, otherwise we'll get all depressed and stuff and won't want to come here anymore. Happiness makes you work harder, 'cause it sure don't feel like work when you're happy!
Also, as there aren't (m)any pro-aborts on the forum, I think it's safe to expand to topics that go beyond "why it's wrong to kill people". There's lots of things that relate to abortion that we need to address- people's attitudes, people's situations, community support, lots of stuff has to do with abortion. And considering that pro-life people have abortions, too, convincing people it's bad isn't enough. That helps, but we need to work on more than just the morality of it to make a dent in the problem.
I think some people honestly think homosexuality has something to do with it. I think it doesn't, because homos don't get pregnant. If you feel your/our efforts are better spent on another topic, I think the best thing to do is to start talking about something else and others will be drawn into the conversation. Why am I talking about homosexuality? Because someone brought it up! Why are people talking about __________? Because yodavater brought it up! See where I'm going with this?
Or we could talk about how we're not talking about what we should be talking about. Then we could discuss the philosophy of conversational techniques, and the art of distraction, and so on...

reply from: coco

FYI yoda I was not the first to bring up the "homo" word your friend christain solder was I was merley resoponding to his ignorant comment!!!
Also, as there aren't (m)any pro-aborts on the forum, I think it's safe to expand to topics that go beyond "why it's wrong to kill people". There's lots of things that relate to abortion that we need to address- people's attitudes, people's situations, community support, lots of stuff has to do with abortion. And considering that pro-life people have abortions, too, convincing people it's bad isn't enough. That helps, but we need to work on more than just the morality of it to make a dent in the problem.
I think some people honestly think homosexuality has something to do with it. I think it doesn't, because homos don't get pregnant. If you feel your/our efforts are better spent on another topic, I think the best thing to do is to start talking about something else and others will be drawn into the conversation. Why am I talking about homosexuality? Because someone brought it up! Why are people talking about __________? Because yodavater brought it up! See where I'm going with this?
Or we could talk about how we're not talking about what we should be talking about. Then we could discuss the philosophy of conversational techniques, and the art of distraction, and so on...
Thunder I totally agree I have been trying to enduce other types of conversation to get to know everyone on the board and thier view on other subjects but some have a stick up thier a**, and ALWAYS have to say, "cant we get on the subject"??
boo- hoo,wahh, wahhh!!! I am a cool person and I try to see both sides of the spectrum ( that is what my psychology classes taught me) in ALL things, from abortion to family drama!! Some think I am a horriable person (fyi my rating scores show it) because of this "talent" of trying to view both sides!! I would like to know about others on here I think people and society are VERY intresting and that is what draws me here!! I like to be able to disscuss "hot topic" issues and view others perspective!! SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TELL ME MORE ABOUT THEMSELVES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU!!

reply from: ChristianSoldier

Why? So you can call them ignorant?

reply from: coco

Why? So you can call them ignorant?
I THINK YOUR COMMENT WAS IGNORANT!!! Why, would you like me to call you that?

reply from: yoda

Why? So you can call them ignorant?
Either that, or so they can steer the discussion away from abortion.

reply from: yoda

No, he wasn't, but thank you for speaking for me.
I sincerely hope you have other pursuits that you use to "lighten your mood", because the war against elective abortion is not one of those things. It is a deadly serious pursuit of a solution to a problem that has resulted in the deaths of 47 million innocent unborn babies since 1973, and up to now the only people whom I've noticed taking this subject lightly are those who are on the side of killing babies...... they seem to think it's a hoot, and laugh about it constantly.
You may be naive enough to think that we don't have proaborts here, but their disguises are IMO quite thin and transparent. They may wear "sheeps clothing", but their words betray them.
And anything that actually does relates to abortion is "on subject", as far as I'm concerned. Pick a related topic, and knock yourself out!
You don't think it's related to abortion, and yet you continue to discuss it? Okay..........

reply from: bradensmommy

homosexuality keeps getting brought up because of ignorant people like you-know-who keeps doing so. I don't know about coco or thunderkitten but I was defending people who are homosexual. There is nothing wrong with being so. I know in their "bible" it is wrong but that was written by a bunch of hypocritical men who probably liked promiscuous sex...noone can do "sins" but them just like priests. Makes me sick.
People on here need to get over the fact that there are different people in this world. Aren't we taught in the Christian religion that God loves everyone? But still I keep hearing and reading such hateful crap from them it makes me rethink their whole faith.
Real Christians don't act like that.
Get over the fact that there are people in this world that are different than you, we all have different views, opinions, and likes. There are white people who marry black people is that wrong? NO As long as you love the person who the heck cares what anyone thinks?
Get over yourselves.

reply from: yoda

I wish we could get over our differences long enough to focus on what brought us here in the first place. But retaliating against intolerance by the "eye for an eye" method of response will only result in a lot of people with no eyes. It won't help the babies.

reply from: ThunderKitten

Sorry. It looked obvious that you were. I guess I was mistaken.
I was laughing at the "offensive" link, not abortion.
I think gay people are just fine, too.
I don't see a lot of people here lately who can't grasp why it's bad to kill people.
Here's something related to abortion. Let's figure out what could've been done to prevent the abortion: http://webgroups.us/choicetolivewith/viewtopic.php?t=1397

Read the whole thread, then tell me what, if anything, you think could've been done to prevent that abortion.

reply from: yoda

What a sad case. She claims to be "normally very antiabortion", and yet throughout all her posts she only says one tiny thing that has anything to do with what's best for the baby..... everything else it totally HER, her husband, her children, HER, and everything related to what's best for HER.
Here's the only thing remotely about the baby: "I know that im going to regret it and hate myself for the rest of my life, but cant take the risk of having a child i dont love, i just dont think it deserves that."
Can you believe that?? Hello? Adoption??? Hello????
No, I doubt there was much of anything short of awarding her the jackpot in the sweepstakes that would've moved her, and even that might not have helped...... even then she may have wanted to abort quickly so she could go on a vacation and buy loads of new clothes..... when anyone looks at the question of abortion almost 100% in terms of "what good for them"... then the baby is going to come out second best, or maybe a lot lower than that.
(edited to add)... okay, I posted a response there.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Jesus already thought of it. That must be why he said, "Why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say." "They will say to him, Haven't we done great things in your name? But he will confess to them, I never knew you, away from me, you evildoers!" Jesus spent a lot of time speaking about hypocrites (Greek word for actor). He knows a lot of people are not who they portray themselves to be.

reply from: RobertFerguson

State your source.
70% if one accepts these two religions as "Christian relkigions"
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States:
Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html#8

reply from: RobertFerguson

gee, the last few presidents have claimed to be "Christians" have you seen how many babies the "prolife" "Christians" GWBush administration has killed with tax dollars?
Let's be complete in throwing blame. Its been Christians killing babies. What other business do you know that could sustain itself if it lost 70% of its business? 70% !!!!!
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States:
Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html#8

reply from: faithman

Have about 10,000 I AM A PERSON cards in stock, waiting to be handed out. How bout it passifist? Or does handing out pictures of womb childen constitute violence?


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