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WHY I THINK I AM GOING TO LEAVE FOR A WHILE

if not forever.....

by: galen

Ok this thread is going to be my own private rant....
I am tired of being told that i am not a Christian if i believe in evolution.
I am tired of being told that i am not a worthy person because i believe that Birth Controll is a personal choice.
i am tired of listening to faith based arguments that are bigotted and continually bash some of the staunchest pro-life people here.
i am tired of seeing good debate turned into faith based with" because i said so arguments'.
there have been so few threads that don't seem to degenerate into this...
So I am leaving for a bit... i will leave galen up on the forum for the women at the shelter to use... though they seem not to post here anymore.
sorry guys i just need a break from all of this.
Mary

reply from: AshMarie88

I can't say I agree with you on evolution but I still respect your belief.
Breaks are alright... I'll just miss debating people alongside you.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

I am sorry to hear about your frustration. I personally have no judgement about people trying to prevent becoming pregnant, so birth control is not a huge issue for me. My problem is the ones who know they are pregnant and choose to kill their child.
I hope you find your way back to fighting to protect the innocent babies you are a great voice for them and a good debator.
Good luck Mary,
Reia

reply from: coco

wow faithman you are really sensitive!!!

reply from: coco

Wondering if she is refearing to faithman ???

reply from: faithman

wow faithman you are really sensitive!!!
Thanks. I do my best. Just can't sit quietly by and let evolutionary apes sling their dung thru the bars of their false science, now can I?

reply from: tabithamarcotte

Jeez, faithman, you could at least be a little considerate. You and I may think evolution's fake, but we don't have to tell her...
Anyway, I feel the same way a lot and I hope you feel better after a while!

reply from: domsmom

Sorry to hear your so frustrated, I know how you feel though. I dont get into many arguments on here because while I do believe in God, I am by no means what most would call a "proper Christian". I have 2 babies by my ex-boyfriend and 2 babies by my current one and I've never married. Most would say that is an abomination. We are in love however (and was with my ex) and try to be the best parents we can. Thats what matters to me.
The reason I (and you) are here is because we are anti-abortion. Not to see who the better Christian is!

reply from: lovingmommyof2

I do not think there are many proper Christians. I believe in God and try to be the best person I can be, but I also have made numerous mistakes in my life. If anyone thinks you having children out of wedlock is an abomination they should remember that people make mistakes, God doesn't, so He had a reason for your children to be born when they were.
I completely agree with the reason you are here it is the same reason I am here.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

I belive in God, but I also believe that He made evolution possible.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

I belive in God, but I also believe that He made evolution possible.
Same here. Yes, I just said that, faithman, and yes, I am aware that I'm an evil scum bag who isn't a true Christian (according to you)

reply from: faithman

....and your post are all criminal secular humanist evolutionary drival. God could care less about the opinions of a stupid punk convict. Unless of course, they repent and surrender their lives to the Lordship of Christ.

reply from: AshMarie88

I'm sure Jesus would have more respect for people with different opinions than you do.
Learn some tolerance, please. Stop shoving your religious beliefs down peoples' throats! I'm Christian too but I'm not forcing people to learn my beliefs.

reply from: faithman

I'm sure Jesus would have more respect for people with different opinions than you do.
Learn some tolerance, please. Stop shoving your religious beliefs down peoples' throats! I'm Christian too but I'm not forcing people to learn my beliefs.
I am not forcing anyone to believe anything. Quit posting lies

reply from: AshMarie88

I'm sure Jesus would have more respect for people with different opinions than you do.
Learn some tolerance, please. Stop shoving your religious beliefs down peoples' throats! I'm Christian too but I'm not forcing people to learn my beliefs.
I am not forcing anyone to believe anything. Quit posting lies
Yes you are. Re-read all your posts.

reply from: faithman

I'm sure Jesus would have more respect for people with different opinions than you do.
Learn some tolerance, please. Stop shoving your religious beliefs down peoples' throats! I'm Christian too but I'm not forcing people to learn my beliefs.
I am not forcing anyone to believe anything. Quit posting lies
Yes you are. Re-read all your posts.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Vengeance is the Lords. Stop judging.

reply from: coco

laurrissa not everyone seems to have your view i thought the same thing but according to some on this board that is not the case

reply from: laurissamarcotte

I agree, coco. By the way, faithman, people aren't going to convert to Christianity by you judging them, insulting their beliefs, and shoving our beliefs down their throats. People will be attracted to Christianity if we are kind hearted, loving, and a good example of the Christian faith to them. Jesus didn't get Matthew the tax collecter to follow Him by saying, "You evil, evil scum! Forever will you rot in hell!"

reply from: laurissamarcotte

In marriage, you can't just say "we're over" and walk away from your spouse and go off a get with other people. In a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, however, you can. That's why marriage is commitment... It means you're really serious about this person and want to spend your life with them.

reply from: 1003

as was said in earlier posts, i'm rethinking my position on abortion. but from a pro-choice point of view, i can say that galen is one of the strongest members of this board, and that this is exactly the kind of divide i was trying to achieve months ago. just a note...

reply from: yoda

Hey, your rating is up to 2.0! Congratulations!

reply from: coco

I just wonder why people would think calling people names on here would change peoples view??? This (in my view) is what this board is for so people could trly and understand and possiably change others view and if not change understand were they are comming from. As far as I am conceren some things that were said to me as far as MY beleif in the stem cells debate people were insinuating that I was satin spawn etc.... That diffinetlyl turned me off to some and I can total respect those that try to understand thier PERSONAL point of view. That is why I asked from the begining why do you not believe in abortion (for those that remember)

reply from: Tam

Well, that's a refreshing comment. Thanks for your candor--and of course for rethinking abortion.
On that note--my comment (originally addressed to Loki) might apply to you as well, then:

reply from: 1003

i'm pretty cold generally. i don't think that a conversion would make me feel guilty.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Why don't you hang around galen. We all have different beliefs. We tend to feel insulted if someone has an opposite opinion. But there will be opposite opinions, expect it.

reply from: Tam

Ok, sounds good to me. I hope it describes what I've already been doing, but either way I'll take that approach from now on as well.
Who else is on board with this? Let's agree not to bring up these topics if we can possibly avoid it, while reserving the right to respond honestly if someone else does--yet the obvious intent is to keep these off-topic tangents to a minimum, both in number and in length, and focus on the reason we're really here.
Who else thinks that's a good idea? Other than the obvious (yoda!--right, y?)

reply from: Shiprahagain

Sounds good to me too.

reply from: yoda

Actually, I will go you one better..... I will try to either be very, very brief or not respond at all to off topic subjects. I'm way past the stage in life where I feel I must challenge and/or correct ever single incorrect statement anyone makes in "my presence"..... I now make a conscious effort to let all stupid, incorrect, naive, and/or misleading statements stand or fall on their own merit. How's that?

reply from: Tam

Actually, I will go you one better..... I will try to either be very, very brief or not respond at all to off topic subjects. I'm way past the stage in life where I feel I must challenge and/or correct ever single incorrect statement anyone makes in "my presence"..... I now make a conscious effort to let all stupid, incorrect, naive, and/or misleading statements stand or fall on their own merit. How's that?
Even better, you're right.
I go poster by poster. When a certain poster has demonstrated that it is a waste of my time to respond to their false or otherwise ludicrous statements, I stop bothering for the most part--keep it very brief if at all. An example is Sigma. That's why I won't let him/her/it drag me into yet another "but, but, what do you MEAN it's the same child?" conversation. It's a waste of my time, and of everyone's who reads it. But, for example, if YOU made an incorrect statement, I would definitely say something, publicly or privately, because you have shown yourself to be not only concerned with accuracy and truth but also open-minded and quite willing to revise your positions when new information is presented.
Another good example is cp--if I recall correctly, his position on aborting children of rape changed because of discussions with us. I would not hesitate to point out an inaccuracy on his part, because he is receptive to that. Some posters are not only unreceptive, but take well-meaning criticism as an opportunity to further derail the thread in which it takes place and also to introduce still more inaccuracy. What's the expression? Snow, bury, burying in snow, .... not coming to me, but you know what I mean.

reply from: AshMarie88

Ok, sounds good to me. I hope it describes what I've already been doing, but either way I'll take that approach from now on as well.
Who else is on board with this? Let's agree not to bring up these topics if we can possibly avoid it, while reserving the right to respond honestly if someone else does--yet the obvious intent is to keep these off-topic tangents to a minimum, both in number and in length, and focus on the reason we're really here.
Who else thinks that's a good idea? Other than the obvious (yoda!--right, y?)
That's a great idea!

reply from: yoda

Sounds like you may have lost that one in the Department of Redundancy Department......

reply from: Tam

I aspire to that level of maturity and restraint.
Yeah, yoda is a good example of those qualities.

reply from: Tam

Sounds like you may have lost that one in the Department of Redundancy Department......
LOL Come on, you must . . .
SANDBAGGING!!!
That's the term I was looking for. So, maybe not snow. More like the desert.

reply from: yoda

Ah snow, sand, they're both four letter words that start with an "s"...... what's the differnce???

reply from: Tam

ROFL
You know what, along those same lines? For the last several months to maybe even a year, pretty much Every Time I type the word "choice" it starts to come out as "child" and I have to backspace. I mean, when talking about choices that have nothing to do with abortion, when writing professional communication, personal communication, you name it. I get as far as CHIL and then have to back up and type OICE.
Hey, they both begin with "CH"--what's the difference? Well, what IS the difference?
A choice is a CHOICE. A child is a CHILD. And a CHOICE TO KILL A CHILD is called murder--unless that child is in the womb, in which case there is a special word for that kind of unspeakable horror . . . aBortion.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I love that bumper sticker/poster that says "It's a child, not a choice".
It's sad how the proaborts think they own the word "choice", as if they had a copyright on it. They don't, and I'm not willing to abandon it to them.
They seem to want us to understand that when THEY say the word "choice", they mean the "legal right to kill their unborn baby".... but when anyone else says it, it might mean something else.
However, when I point out that their use of the word means that they consider their favorite meaning of the word "choice" to be "abortion", they object strenously, and attempt to pull in the other alternative, "live birth".
So they are seriously conflicted, they can't decide if "choice" means "the right to kill your unborn baby", or if it means "either you kill it or you let it be born alive"............ they just can't make up their minds.

reply from: Tam

There is a brand of tea called "Choice" (meaning "a really select quality" as opposed to "an option" I assume) and someone in my family likes it very much, as do I. I gave him some because I knew he likes it--and he says to me, "Yes, I like Choice--in both senses of the word," which was clearly a little ad hominem about abortion.
So I said, "Yes, I like choice, too--I make choices all the time. . . . but I prefer choices that are nonviolent."
When will people who love peace and abhor violence wake up to the FACT that abortion is violence?
When will people who love human rights and abhor injustice wake up to the fact that abortion is the ultimate human rights violation and the ultimate injustice?

reply from: yoda

Good answer. How ironic is it that proaborts/probabykillers rave and rant about protester violence when the endorse the most prolific violence ever seen in this country?
Sometimes a probabykiller will shout "Choice!" from a distance, and I like to respond "Prime Cut"...... which makes just about as much sense as what they are saying.........

reply from: tabithamarcotte

I don't see why pro-choicers think they have any justification in saying that pro-lifers are violent scum. According to Mark Crutcher, we're the least violent movement in America or something. There's been like, four clinic bombings, as compared to the millions upon millions of people abortion has killed.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Even without considering the dead who are unborn, prochoicers have still killed more http://prochoiceviolence.com/

reply from: faithman

Some pagans just can't stay away.....

reply from: domsmom

Faithman. You cant force anyone to be a Christian or for that matter a perfect Christian. And when you cant force them, you should'nt "dog" them out and call them disrespectful names. I dont feel that that is very Christian-like. I dont remember Jesus doing that to his enemies. Did'nt he pray for them?

reply from: bradensmommy

I just roll my eyes towards faithman because if he had an ounce of education he'd know that all the Christian holidays he celebrates were derived from Pagan holidays and I have said this numerous times before. Pagans had been around longer than Christianity and they were FORCED to become Christians.

reply from: AshMarie88

And I'll mention that, since Faithman wants people to listen to him, he shouldn't go around telling people they are going to hell or that they're "maggot scum pro-aborts" because he's basically repelling them from Christianity, not being attracted to it. And then in turn, makes good Christians look terrible.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

You are correct!
Back on abortion though. People kill their children because they don't want to be strapped down to their obligation(s).

reply from: AshMarie88

You are correct!
Back on abortion though. People kill their children because they don't want to be strapped down to their obligation(s).
But we still have to remember, some abortions are unwanted (forced).

reply from: bradensmommy

Yep, and I still don't see pro-choicers out there yelling for the womans right to CHOOSE!!!!

reply from: Shiprahagain

No Pagans haven't been around longer that Christianity b/c Christians descended from Jews who descended from God's people since the creation. Christian holidays are on the Dates of pagan holidays but what they commemorate is authentically Christian. Many pagan women converted to Christianity b/c of the degrading sex rites in their own religion. However, pagans have some great qualities -- many really respect nature. The way to defend your religion, bradensmommy, is not to undermine someone else's.

reply from: faithman

oh YES !!! The wonderful pagans. Who have always killed children, drank human blood, and danced around fire naked and orgied on down. where do i sign!!

reply from: faithman

So, is that the purpose behind your little campaign, to drive away everyone who is not a Christian? I believe Mary has identified herself as Christian. Of course, I understand that you refuse to include any who disagree with you on a single point or issue in your own personal definition of "Christian," and you seem willing to tolerate non-Christians on this forum as long as they do not openly disagree with you on anything.
I can't force anyone to do anything. I was merely making the comment that her little Boo Hoo I am going to take my marbles and go home because I don't like what some one says, didn't last very long. Of course when the father of you spirit is the father of lies [the devil] truth is ilrelavent.

reply from: AshMarie88

Let's not forget some "Christians" who have killed people, as well.
Stop generalizing! Not all Pagans are bad, not all Christians are good. You're just lumping different people in the same group. Damn.

reply from: faithman

Just who have I tried to force to become a christian, or for that matter a perfect one? She boast of being a pagan, so how is it disrespectful to call her one? You have to know Christ to know what He is like, do you? What makes you the big expert on christlikeness. ....and just when was the last time you read the Gospel? Did you tear out the pages where Christ called folks brood of vipers and children of the devil? May haps you skipped over the part where He flipped over tables, beat folks with a whip, and called them thieves. How do you know that I am not praying for the little sore head pagan? You want to make all these unfounded asumptions about me, then condemn me for being judgmental?

reply from: faithman

AAAAAAHHHAAAHHAAHHAAHHAA!!!! one thing pagans be good for, is entertainment...AAAAHHHAAHHAAHHAAHHAA!!!!!! poor little dear. So decieved by the devils she worships!! AAAAAHHAAHHAAHHAAAAHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

reply from: faithman

No Pagans haven't been around longer that Christianity b/c Christians descended from Jews who descended from God's people since the creation. Christian holidays are on the Dates of pagan holidays but what they commemorate is authentically Christian. Many pagan women converted to Christianity b/c of the degrading sex rites in their own religion. However, pagans have some great qualities -- many really respect nature. The way to defend your religion, bradensmommy, is not to undermine someone else's.
You always make the best post. May the Lord Jesus Christ abundantly bless.

reply from: AshMarie88

Just who have I tried to force to become a christian, or for that matter a perfect one? She boast of being a pagan, so how is it disrespectful to call her one? You have to know Christ to know what He is like, do you? What makes you the big expert on christlikeness. ....and just when was the last time you read the Gospel? Did you tear out the pages where Christ called folks brood of vipers and children of the devil? May haps you skipped over the part where He flipped over tables, beat folks with a whip, and called them thieves. How do you know that I am not praying for the little sore head pagan? You want to make all these unfounded asumptions about me, then condemn me for being judgmental?
Jesus didn't judge people like you are now, nor did he turn away people who were not Christian.
Oh, and Jesus loved everyone... that's something else you're forgetting.

reply from: faithman

Just who have I tried to force to become a christian, or for that matter a perfect one? She boast of being a pagan, so how is it disrespectful to call her one? You have to know Christ to know what He is like, do you? What makes you the big expert on christlikeness. ....and just when was the last time you read the Gospel? Did you tear out the pages where Christ called folks brood of vipers and children of the devil? May haps you skipped over the part where He flipped over tables, beat folks with a whip, and called them thieves. How do you know that I am not praying for the little sore head pagan? You want to make all these unfounded asumptions about me, then condemn me for being judgmental?
Jesus didn't judge people like you are now, nor did he turn away people who were not Christian.
Oh, and Jesus loved everyone... that's something else you're forgetting.
...And just what do you base these presupositions on? He did speak words that turned people away, it was their choice. Jesus called people children of the devil, brood of vipers, destined for damnation. You are creating a christ from your imagination and that is idolotry and blaphemy. But you can do that if you please!!

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Just who have I tried to force to become a christian, or for that matter a perfect one? She boast of being a pagan, so how is it disrespectful to call her one? You have to know Christ to know what He is like, do you? What makes you the big expert on christlikeness. ....and just when was the last time you read the Gospel? Did you tear out the pages where Christ called folks brood of vipers and children of the devil? May haps you skipped over the part where He flipped over tables, beat folks with a whip, and called them thieves. How do you know that I am not praying for the little sore head pagan? You want to make all these unfounded asumptions about me, then condemn me for being judgmental?
Jesus didn't judge people like you are now, nor did he turn away people who were not Christian.
Oh, and Jesus loved everyone... that's something else you're forgetting.
...And just what do you base these presupositions on? He did speak words that turned people away, it was their choice. Jesus called people children of the devil, brood of vipers, destined for damnation. You are creating a christ from your imagination and that is idolotry and blaphemy. But you can do that if you please!!
Jesus said to love thy neighbor as thy self, not to love only thy righteous neighbor as thy self.

reply from: faithman

Just who have I tried to force to become a christian, or for that matter a perfect one? She boast of being a pagan, so how is it disrespectful to call her one? You have to know Christ to know what He is like, do you? What makes you the big expert on christlikeness. ....and just when was the last time you read the Gospel? Did you tear out the pages where Christ called folks brood of vipers and children of the devil? May haps you skipped over the part where He flipped over tables, beat folks with a whip, and called them thieves. How do you know that I am not praying for the little sore head pagan? You want to make all these unfounded asumptions about me, then condemn me for being judgmental?
Jesus didn't judge people like you are now, nor did he turn away people who were not Christian.
Oh, and Jesus loved everyone... that's something else you're forgetting.
...And just what do you base these presupositions on? He did speak words that turned people away, it was their choice. Jesus called people children of the devil, brood of vipers, destined for damnation. You are creating a christ from your imagination and that is idolotry and blaphemy. But you can do that if you please!!
Jesus said to love thy neighbor as thy self, not to love only thy righteous neighbor as thy self.
Who says I only love the righteous? Once again you are the one judging me. SSSSSOOOO you the only one who has the right to judge?

reply from: danib

I wish we would just get back to saving babies.....

reply from: faithman

don't be so judgemental

reply from: AshMarie88

don't be so judgemental
LOL.
You're funny.

reply from: faithman

don't be so judgemental
LOL.
You're funny.
I try my best. gotta get your laughs while you can with an issue so sad.

reply from: bradensmommy

thats an understatement

reply from: bradensmommy

No Pagans haven't been around longer that Christianity b/c Christians descended from Jews who descended from God's people since the creation. Christian holidays are on the Dates of pagan holidays but what they commemorate is authentically Christian. Many pagan women converted to Christianity b/c of the degrading sex rites in their own religion. However, pagans have some great qualities -- many really respect nature. The way to defend your religion, bradensmommy, is not to undermine someone else's.
I don't understand why you keep defending FM when everyone knows how he is...but anyway, I decided to ask in a Pagan group which was older Christianity or Paganism and I'm sorry but I was right. I'm not going to keep going off the subject but we keep going around and around on it. Here is the link:
http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=23669999&groupID=100153092&adTopicID=27&Mytoken=8B6264DB-3107-4E4B-8A01D5DF95439D1720318469
I'm going to try to stay back on topic y'all, I'm just tired of being griped at by Shiprah everytime religion gets involved and I try to speak my POV.

reply from: Shiprahagain

There's a diff btw defending Faithman and certain ideas he might have. I'm not on some ppl's side or against other ppl's side, I take it issue by issue. Bradensmommy -- the posts of ppl on your myspace isn't credible proof. I'm not griping at you -- I've mentioned many wonderful things I like about Paganism. I have disagreed with you while respecting your beliefs -- something you haven't done with Christianity. Christianity did not begin 2000 years ago with the birth of Christ, it began with the faith of the ppl who waited for Christ to come, a faith that began at the beginning of time.

reply from: bradensmommy

I have nothing against Christianity, I was raised Lutheran. You don't know anything about me and why I chose the path that I have. I have done the research about Pagan and I still think it is older but you believe what you want and I will believe what I want.
Religion will never cease in this forum because everyone always brings it up but I know what I know and the things I have learned. I know that Christianity is older than 2000 years but its not the oldest religion.

reply from: coco

Jesus didn't judge people like you are now, nor did he turn away people who were not Christian.
Oh, and Jesus loved everyone... that's something else you're forgetting.
AMEN TO THAT SISTER!!!! SISTER PREACH ON !!!!!

reply from: faithman

You are creating a christ of your own imagination. The very reason He became human flesh was to judge.................................................................................................................Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.
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2Ti 4:1 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
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1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

reply from: faithman

thats an understatement
....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?

reply from: AshMarie88

thats an understatement
....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?
big?ot? /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

reply from: faithman

thats an understatement
....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?
big?ot? /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Who says I am intolerant?

reply from: coco

I still LOVE you faithman and that goes for everyone!!! We should love our brothers and sisters and that is what I TRY to live by!!!

reply from: faithman

In that false pretentious sort of way i suspect.

reply from: AshMarie88

thats an understatement
....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?
big?ot? /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Who says I am intolerant?
Your attitude and words say it all.

reply from: coco

We ALL have diffrences of opinions and that is what makes human beings intresting!!! But do you agree we SHOULD LOVE everyone???

reply from: coco

In that false pretentious sort of way i suspect.
What do you mean by this statement???

reply from: faithman

thats an understatement
....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?
big?ot? /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Who says I am intolerant?
Your attitude and words say it all.
Now who is being judgemental?

reply from: AshMarie88

....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?
big?ot? /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Who says I am intolerant?
Your attitude and words say it all.
Now who is being judgemental?
Hey, I am judging your behavior - Alot better than yourself, who judges PEOPLE and not their sins or behaviors.

reply from: faithman

....and just what proof do you have of this judgmental statement?
big?ot? /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
- noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Who says I am intolerant?
Your attitude and words say it all.
Now who is being judgemental?
Hey, I am judging your behavior - Alot better than yourself, who judges PEOPLE and not their sins or behaviors.
OH!!! so you own the franchise on judgement and are intolerent of others opinions? Now just what was that definition of bigot you posted? HHHHMMMM may haps a long look in the mirror???

reply from: lukesmom

Too bad fman and nancyu have been allowed to take over this board with their hate, judgements and name calling. Why this has been allowed to go on is beyond me but I don't have to and refuse to be a part of a board that allows this. I am gone with my integrety and christianity intact. There are way too many positive prolife works to do than coming here to read nasty attacking posts from 2 nasty attacking little people. My time is too valuble. Maybe I'll be back if things change, who knows

reply from: AshMarie88

I hear ya, but I hate that you're leaving.

reply from: Teresa18

I hope you come back at some point, Galen and Sue. You guys are dedicated pro-lifers.

reply from: faithman

Boo hoo! so you are going to take your marbles and go home..sniff sniff.. but you still didn't have the courage to answer the questions, now did you?....
Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: sander

I know most everyone is blaming Faithman and Nancy and for good measure me and Yoda...why Yoda I still can't grasp.
However, is it really just one sided?
There are some that do like to stir the pot, I've seen it happen out of the blue and I'm not talking about the above mentioned.
So, I hope fairness is still in play while everyone is taking sides and leaving.
And MOST important, I hope the actual debate about abortion starts up again.

reply from: faithman

To start the debate, how about answering these questions?....Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: sander

I think I have answsered them, Faithman.
I don't agree with any of those statements.
Now, am I about to be skinned alive for disagreeing with someone else?


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