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by: faithman

We had another turn around at the clinic after the woman saw the "I Am A Person" poster. Please post a report if you have used this image, and what the responce has been. If you would like a copy, go to http//www.iamaperson.info, copy and paste image to CD,email message, file folder, or what ever. Feel free to use the image for the cause of womb children. If you got here from LIFE TALK, please click the blue text to see the imagry being discussed. http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: yoda

I used the image for the first time last Saturday. I got several compliments from my fellow prolifers on the line. If anyone wants to have the image made into a poster at Kinko's, you will have to order the CD from Life Issues Institute, so you can get the little booklet that say anyone can use it (as long as they leave the copyright on it, etc.). Kinko's will not use it otherwise, as I found out.

reply from: faithman

Thanks for the info, and you are exactly right. Office depot has been a little more friendly in making copies. You might try to find a print shop owned by a pro-lifer. We have a man who makes them into post card size tracts for a nickel a piece if you order 20,ooo. We are collecting money for another run if you would like to chip in. would be glad to share.

reply from: yoda

BTW, if anyone wants to see what this poster looks like enlarged to 20" wide by 30" tall, send me your email addy and I'll send you a photo of mine.

reply from: faithman

Wow yoda!!! what a picture!!! You are very photo genic by the by

reply from: yoda

Not so at all..... I look like the country bumpkin I am..... here's a link, btw:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg

reply from: faithman

Bumkins be cute in that folksy kinda way.

reply from: AshMarie88

Lookin' good Yoda! Love the poster.

reply from: faithman

Lookin' good Yoda! Love the poster.
Thank you. would be glad to give you one if you send me a private message with a mailing address. Or I am sure yoda or tam would help you get one.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Cool, Yoda. You look like I pictured you -- a kindly older man.

reply from: faithman

Hey get the poster. drives them proaborts wild!!!!

reply from: faithman

http://iamaperson.info/

reply from: AshMarie88

Haha, it's not much, and I look mighty geeky in this one, but here's a photo of myself holding up a sign (uh, kinda pointless, but it gets the point across):
http://myspace-949.vo.llnwd.net/00686/94/92/686622949_l.jpg

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Cute picture Ash,
Off subject, but I have several bumper stickers and static stickers on my car and truck and I was at a store today and my car windows got shot out. Could be coincidence but I think my car got shot at because of the messages on it. Has anyone else experienced this? I do not want to take them off but I really do not want anything like that to happen while my kids are in the car with me.
Funny how the "choice" people think we are the violent ones.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Ash, you do look really cute. I like the pigtails

reply from: yoda

Guess my avatar isn't too far off, eh?

reply from: yoda

Homemade signs are very personal and sometimes even more effective than manufactured ones, AshMarie... where do you display the sign?

reply from: yoda

So far I've been lucky, but I do leave my car parked where I can watch it constantly when I'm at the clinic. I have only one bumper sticker on it.
The "choice" people think they're justified in being violent, because we're revealing a dirty little secret that they don't want let out.

reply from: yoda

Post your photo and find out.

reply from: AshMarie88

Homemade signs are very personal and sometimes even more effective than manufactured ones, AshMarie... where do you display the sign?
Nowhere at the present moment

reply from: coco

dont like to take pics!!

reply from: yoda

Hang in there, one day it will be your turn to shine!

reply from: domsmom

Nothing as dramatic as that! What jerks! But I am having to CONSTANTLY replace my stickers b/c just about everytime I go to a busy place (mall, shopping centers,ect) someone steals them. I keep one "stop abortion" ribbon on both sides of my car and van, and one on the back. Have one that says "abortion stops my beating heart" and another that says "If your pregnant, it's a baby!" I dont mind so much people taking them to put on their cars, but I certainly do mind if they're pitching them in the garbage or something.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Jerks would be correct, the police said they used a bebe gun to shoot the windows.
Do you have the magnetic ones? I use the stickers so people can not take them off and I have static clings on my windows that apply to the inside so mine aren't easily stolen. I love the "abortion stops my beating heart" one I have it on both my vehicles bumpers. I have a couple different ones on the bumpers of both my vehicles and I use several static clings on my windows on both sides so they are easily seen. I live a block away from a high school and alot of students walk past my cars to and from school everyday so I like to have the messages seen by them, I have had several comments about them especially the "some choices are wrong" one with an aborted baby on it, that one seems to really affect the kids.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Oh and I want to thank Faithman for sending me a picture of I am a person, I could not get it to load on my computer. I have it on the back window of my truck and a couple of the high school kids have already stopped to ask if it is a picture of a "real" baby. Great picture. Thank you.

reply from: domsmom

Jerks would be correct, the police said they used a bebe gun to shoot the windows.
Do you have the magnetic ones? I use the stickers so people can not take them off and I have static clings on my windows that apply to the inside so mine aren't easily stolen. I love the "abortion stops my beating heart" one I have it on both my vehicles bumpers. I have a couple different ones on the bumpers of both my vehicles and I use several static clings on my windows on both sides so they are easily seen. I live a block away from a high school and alot of students walk past my cars to and from school everyday so I like to have the messages seen by them, I have had several comments about them especially the "some choices are wrong" one with an aborted baby on it, that one seems to really affect the kids.
That's awesome that those kids are seeing your stickers, and the fact that they are actually paying attention to them is even better! Keep it up sista!!

reply from: faithman

Thanks for the report. You are in exactly the right place, with the right age for I Am A Person. Will see If I can send you more stuff.

reply from: faithman

Thanks for the report. You are in exactly the right place, with the right age for I Am A Person. Will see If I can send you more stuff.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Thanks Domsmom and Faithman.
I just wanted to share something that happened last night. I was outside setting up for halloween and noticed a girl standing behind my truck, she looked kind of nervous and upset. I went over to see if she was okay and when she went to talk tears started streaming down her face. She came inside with me to calm down and then told me that she had just found out she was pregnant and had already went to the abortion clinic for the consent information and was supposed to go the next afternoon to have the abortion. Her and her friends had noticed the I am a person picture walking home from school but she didn't want them to know she was pregnant so she came back by herself to look at it. She was willing to stay and talk with me and I gave her one of the baby models I have of a 12 week preborn baby and a milestones brochure. She was really affected by everything and said she felt like it was a sign that she was not supposed to go to her appointment until she looked into other options also. She hasn't told her parents and asked me to take her to the crisis pregnancy center later today so please pray for her that she will decide to let her baby live and that they will both have a happy life.

reply from: faithman

Thanks so much for the report. What an encouragement. We can win. Just let me add.... A lady who had two abortions, and was sold out prochoice, saw the I AM A PERSON hand out card http://i81.photobucket.com/alb...yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg, was instantly converted to the life side, and started a prolife organization in her town. Anyone who would like to get on board, and recieve the I AM A PERSON http://i81.photobucket.com/alb...yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg material, just send me a snail mail address in a PM, and I will send you some stuff. This is the most powerful tool I have ever used in 12 years of pro-life work. It changes hearts, and stopps the proaborts dead in their tracks, like nothing else I have ever seen.

reply from: BB

I saw the I am a person picture and I still not feel as if it means they should have rights that trump the rights of the mother. I do not believe that abortion is a good thing or that it should be done but it should be kept legal for cases of rape, incest, or life of the mother. Say a teenage girl has never had sex but gets raped and becomes pregnant who is to say that she must have the baby because it is a person? She is a person too that did not ask for what has happened to her and should be able to take decide what would be best for her in this situation.

reply from: yoda

NO ONE has suggested any such thing. The baby's "right to life" does NOT "trump" the mother's right to life, but anyone's right to life trumps ALL OTHER RIGHTS.......
UNLESS the "right to life" trumps all other rights, then anyone can come up with a "justification" to kill anyone else. There simply is NO MORAL or LOGICAL reason to put ANY right above the right to life.
You have your priorities upside down.

reply from: AshMarie88

Why does the INNOCENT BABY have to die? Why shouldn't the RAPIST, the GUILTY PERSON WHO HARMED SOMEONE, have to die?
Would YOU want to die, if your mom wanted to kill you, for someone else's crime?

reply from: Shiprahagain

Rape and Incest Victims Don't Want Abortions, Say It Doesn't Help Women
Voters Debating South Dakota Abortion Ban Unaware Abortion Intensifies Victims' Trauma
Springfield, IL (September 7, 2006) -- Abortion creates more problems for rape and incest victims than it solves, according to the Ad Hoc Committee of Women Pregnant by Sexual Assault (WPSA).
In an effort to gain a public voice in the contentious abortion debate, the group has written a petition to Congress and state legislatures asking for public hearings at which women who've become pregnant through sexual assault can share their stories and address the real concerns that they have faced.
"In virtually every case, those people who claim to represent our interests have never taken the time to actually listen to us or to learn about our true circumstances, needs, and concerns," they wrote. "We are deeply offended and dismayed each time our difficult circumstances are exploited for public consumption to promote the political agenda of others."
The group is particularly concerned about the widespread misconception, even among people who generally oppose abortion, that sexual assault victims generally want or benefit from abortions.
For example, a statewide survey in South Dakota recently found a proposed abortion ban there would receive overwhelming support at the polls as long as it provided an exception for rape and incest cases. Without the exception, the ban is favored by only 39 percent, with 47 percent opposing it and 14 percent undecided.
However, the WPSA members say abortion does nothing to help women pregnant through sexual assault, and in many cases is actually detrimental to them.
"In many cases, we felt pressured to abort by family members, social workers, and doctors who insisted that abortion was the 'best' solution," they wrote. "For many the abortion caused physical and emotional trauma equal to or exceeding the trauma of the sexual assault that our abortions were supposed to 'cure.'"
Dr. David Reardon, who co-authored the book Victims and Victors: Speaking Out About Their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault, said the results of the South Dakota poll results reflect voters' desire to spare women the hardships often associated with giving birth to a child conceived in sexual assault.
"Typically, most people have accepted the premise that sexual assault victims not only want abortions but will actually benefit from them," said Reardon, a leading researcher on post-abortion issues and director of the Elliot Institute. "They assume abortion will help victims put the assault behind them, recover more quickly, and avoid the problems that might arise with giving birth to the child--who is often described as the 'rapist's child' rather than the woman's child."
But the only two published studies that have actually tracked the choices and experiences of women who have become pregnant after rape or incest, Reardon said, actually lead to the opposite conclusions. Remarkably, both studies found that approximately 70 percent of pregnant rape victims chose to give birth rather than have abortions, even though abortion was readily available.
"Prior to becoming pregnant, many of these woman would have said that they would have an abortion if they became pregnant through rape." said Reardon. "But after the rape, many change their minds because they have a heightened concern about abuse and trauma. They want to break the cycle of violence. Many also sense that an abortion will only add to their emotional suffering."
Furthermore, in the Elliot Institute's survey of 192 women who became pregnant through rape or incest, nearly 80 percent of the woman who had abortions said that they strongly regretted the abortion, with most saying it had caused far more harm than good in their lives. Among women who gave birth to their children, the consensus against abortion was even stronger.
Of the women who reported having abortions, most reported feeling pressured by family members or health care workers to undergo abortions.
"This was especially the case for those who became pregnant through incest," Reardon said. "in almost every case, the abortion was chosen by the girl's parents or tragically, by the perpetrator himself. In some cases the abortion was used to cover up the incest and the girl was returned to the same abusive situation to be victimized again."
According to Reardon, the problem of coerced abortions is a national epidemic. A recent survey found that 64 percent of women who report a history of abortion also report feeling pressured by others to have abortions. Reardon said the percentage is likely higher for those who become pregnant through sexual assault.
In one case described in Victims and Victors, a woman who was impregnated by her father at the age of 15 wrote of being taken to the hospital, where her father demanded that an abortion be performed. When she refused, she was held down by the nurses and drugged before being subjected to the abortion.
"I grieve every day for my daughter," wrote the woman, who asked that her name be concealed to protect her privacy. "I have struggled every day to forget the abuse and the abortion. I can do neither. . . . The trauma of the rape and abuse was only intensified by the abortion."
Abortion, Reardon said, "gives molesters the means to cover up their crime and the opportunity to repeat it, subjecting the victims to repeated ongoing abuse as well as the additional trauma of an unwanted abortion."
More than a dozen studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals in the past several years have documented psychological problems among women who have had abortions, including higher rates of depression, substance abuse, psychiatric problems, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, sleep disorders, and other difficulties.
"Many of these studies indicate that women with a history of trauma are even more likely to experience traumatic reactions following an abortion," Reardon said. "Sexual assault victims are not immune to post-abortion trauma. Indeed, the best evidence suggests that they may be at the greatest risk of severe reactions to abortion."
But if sexual assault victims aren't offered abortions, what should be the response from those around them?
"The women in our survey said repeatedly that what they needed was time and support to come to terms with the assault and the resulting pregnancy," Reardon said. "While none proposed that there are any easy solutions, well over 80 percent believed that abortion clearly made their problems worse."
For Kathleen DeZeeuw, who raised her son after becoming pregnant through rape at the age of 16, the solution begins with attentive listening. She says abortion advocates have used the issue of sexual assault pregnancy to push for abortion without considering the real needs of the women involved.
"I feel personally assaulted and insulted every time I hear that abortion should be legal because of rape and incest," she wrote in Victims and Victors. "I feel we're being used to further the abortion issue, even though we've never been asked to tell our side of the story."
"Women who have gone through the trauma of rape or incest need to be counseled, cared for, and listened to," she added. "A woman is most vulnerable at a time such as this and doesn't need to be pounced on by yet another act of violence. She needs someone to truly listen to her, care for her, and give her time to heal."

reply from: faithman

This is not the rape or incest thred. This is the I am a person thred. Whether you believe in exceptions or not, if choice is legal, then shouldn't that choice include all the info available? If you have the right to kill a pre-born for what ever reason, shouldn't you at least have to look a pre-born in the eye before you kill them? The I am a person image will be the end of this issue whether it is legal or not. Once a woman sees this kind of image, it is very unlikely that they will kill em. this ain't about mommy. This is about the basic right of all persons to exist. This is about dispelling the blob of tissue lie that is told to women in crisis. This is about making all citizens of America guilty of killing childern by sanction of a government that is supposed to be by us. This thred is about getting this most powerful info into as many hands as we can, and bring this tradgedy to an end.

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg

reply from: lovingmommyof2

I received a pm asking about an update on the pregnant girl on oct 11. Sorry I did not respond but I did not have any new information. She asked me to take her to the CPC but never came. She did come by this morning though to talk to me. She decided to tell one of her friends and had her friend take her to the CPC. I am very glad she went, she said she has decided that she will carry her baby to term and "thinks" she is going to give it up for adoption. She is afraid her parents will kick her out of the house when they find out and I have offered to let her stay in my spare room if that happens. I had another girl in my spare room a few months ago until we found her an apartment she could afford. I do not understand how a parent who is supposed to love their children and be there for them could throw them out in their time of need.
Well I just wanted to let everyone know that she did not have an abortion and is not going to have one.
Thank you for mailing me the picture.

reply from: xnavy

that is wonderful that you were able to help save a baby and help a young woman.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Thank you, but I didn't do anything. She saw the picture and was willing to listen to other options. She saved herself and her baby. I just offered support.

reply from: BB

For claiming to be prolife you sure do sound like you want some people to die.

reply from: AshMarie88

For claiming to be prolife you sure do sound like you want some people to die.
When did I ever say "I want the rapist dead NOW!"? I didn't. Thanks for assuming so.

reply from: yoda

For being a probabykilling advocate, you sure sound like you want the baby to die instead of the rapist.

reply from: bradensmommy

I'd still like to know what happened to the rapist that did that horrific crime to your daughter...

reply from: BB

I already answered that in the thread I started. Abortion after rape.

reply from: yoda

Come clean, BB, aren't you here to promote abortion rights?

reply from: BB

I am not here to promote abortion rights. I truly believe abortion is wrong in most cases, however there are circumstances where I feel it should be allowed. Like with my daughter when she was 11. I do not think she should be forced to continue the pregnancy when the doctors told us that it would most likely threaten her life because she was so young and small and was not developed enough to have a baby. Having an abortion just because you do not want kids at that moment or are not financialy ready is wrong if you do not want kids use protection. But if it threatens your life then I do not think women should have to make the choice to die.

reply from: AshMarie88

You gotta wonder how the 5 year old stayed alive during her pregnancy and birth of her son in the past (when technology was not as developed as it is today), and yet people say younger people (much older than her) will die from all of it... It's dumb.
I'm sorry to hear your daughter was raped. Rape isn't a good thing and for an 11 year old to go thru it, well, it makes it even worse. But I have to say, there was no 100% proof she would have died if she had let her baby live. There is never 100% proof.
Do you know that A LOT of doctors get it wrong? Many women have been told they'd die if continued their pregnancy, or the baby would have defects and/or die, but they didn't listen to the doctors and everything turned out perfect for both of them.

reply from: yoda

Here we go again...... over and over and over you keep repeating that......
HEY! You're preaching to the choir here, okay??? WAKE UP!! We've already explained to you that no woman will be denied the right to self-preservation if she chooses that, so why do you keep on whinning about that tiny minority of cases?
We're talking about HEALTHY mothers who kill HEALTHY babies for economic and/or social reasons, or sometimes just for spite. The "threat to life" accounts for less than 3% of all abortions, so why do you keep on chattering about that?
Here's what Planned Parenthood's own research group said:
Women who have had abortions cite the following reasons*:
Table 2. Percentage distribution of women who had an abortion, by main reason given for seeking abortion, various countries and years (U.S. 1987-88, by percentages)
25.5 -Wants to postpone childbearing
7.9 -Wants no (more) children
21.3 -Cannot afford a baby
10.8 -Having a child will disrupt education or job
14.1 -Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2 -Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
2.8 -Risk to maternal health
3.3 -Risk to fetal health
2.1 -Other (includes rape)
100 -Total (1773 -Number surveyed)
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2411798.html

reply from: Shiprahagain

BB a girl of women who will die because of childbirth and a girl who is a rape victim under the age of 16 are not synonymous categories. I feel that anyone who will die in childbirth should have the fetus removed with the doctor's every attempt to save both parties and no one else should be allowed abortion. Is there something wrong with this belief?

reply from: BB

No Shiprah there is nothing wrong with your belief as there is nothing wrong with anyone having their own belief. I agree with you and Yodavater that women should not abort due to social/economic reasons.
I am mainly addressing Ashmarie88 who keeps saying that there is never a 100% chance that the women would die and that a 5 year old had a baby and lived. I do not think a 5 year old should ever have a baby. Not only is it sick it is wrong. I do not agree that a women should chance dying just because there is not a 100% chance that she will. I was not willing to chance losing my daughter. I also was not willing to force her to abort. She wanted to and honestly I was sad and relieved because I did not want to chance losing her.
The reason I keep whining abort the small percentage Yoda, is because of people on here like Ashmarie that do not want to see the gray area.

reply from: Shiprahagain

I don't understand how it's sicker for a 5 year old to have a baby than to have an abortion. The latter choice is sick to me. I don't know why abortion is ever necessary when a physician can try to save both lives. I don't know why we need a special category for under 16 rape victims who can have abortion when being an under 16 rape victim is irrelevant to whether or not childbirth threatens the life of the mother.

reply from: AshMarie88

There are not any gray areas when it comes to doing this to a child:
http://abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/08_weeks-08.jpg

http://abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/09_weeks-01.jpg

http://abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/11_weeks-03.jpg

I know you don't like the fact I don't make weird little exceptions like you do but, I honestly don't care. You see things your way, I see things my way... no one's gonna change either of our opinions.

reply from: Ayame

How many will cry rape in order to get an abortion?
And if there is a chance she will live, there is a chance. Meaning there is no 100% certainty she will die.

reply from: faithman

Bumkins be cute in that folksy kinda way.

reply from: faithman

Bumkins be cute in that folksy kinda way.

reply from: faithman

Just a quick report on the I AM A PERSON effort. We are working hard to get a national campain going. Just got thru with the Heart of Texas fair. Handed out 2 to 3 thousand cards, and had many mothers explain the facts of pre-born life to their children using our displays. I never get tired of hearing those 10 words... "look honey, thats what you looked like in momma's tummy.

reply from: holopaw

There are not any gray areas when it comes to doing this to a child:
http://abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/08_weeks-08.jpg
">http://abortionno.org/Resource...08_weeks-08.jpg
http://abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/09_weeks-01.jpg
">http://abortionno.org/Resource...09_weeks-01.jpg
http://abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/11_weeks-03.jpg
">http://abortionno.org/Resource...11_weeks-03.jpg
I know you don't like the fact I don't make weird little exceptions like you do but, I honestly don't care. You see things your way, I see things my way... no one's gonna change either of our opinions.

reply from: yoda

There is NO "gray area" between life and death....... between killing a baby and not killing a baby..... that's very, very "BLACK AND WHITE".....

reply from: Hessflg

We can be very thankful that Mary was prolife. If she had had an
abortion, our chance for Salvation would be forever lost. By today's
thinking, as a single woman, she would have had "every right " to have
an abortion. But God knew Mary's heart, and chose her to bring His son
into the world.
I will never understand how any woman can take the life of her own unborn
child, except for pure selfish reasons.
I was online one day and was startled at what I saw.
Abortion Statistics for 1996. 1.37 million abortions were performed
that year. 3,700 per day.
52% were women under the age of 25. 32% 20-24. 20% teenagers.
1.2% under 15.
1% were done because of rape or incest.
6% "potential threat" on life of mother and/ child
93% child not wanted/convenience
The biggest reasons I hear that abortion should be
kept legal is for rape or incest. Well, according to the statistics I read,
that's a very small amount. Proving a point, rarely is a child conceived by
rape. The woman's body goes through too much trauma for conception
to take place. A God-given safety precaution, I believe.
For 93% abortions to be done because of inconvenience, is just terrible.
47% of abortions are performed on women who had previous abortions.
I ask you, HOW CAN ANY DECENT WOMAN LIVE WITH
HERSELF?????!!!!!!!
When I think of the # of abortions that have been
performed since it was legalized, I want to cry.
That's millions of children that will never get to grow up, have children of their
own, never work, contributing to society and most of all contributing to
Social Security. I dread getting older. S.S. may not be there when I
retire. And we have ourselves to blame. Think about it.
That's a whole nother subject in itself of why abortion should be outlawed.
I could go on and on, but I'll stop for now.

reply from: LetFreedomRing

You've just summarized my beliefs into one post, Hess. You're so right! I guess we'll just never understand how post-abortive women live with themselves. Though I did read somewhere that 93% of post-abortive women regret what they did. Don't know if it's true, though.

reply from: yoda

If 93% of them have a conscience, then 93% of them eventually regret their abortion(s).

reply from: Shiprahagain

I hate s.s. anyways. You get it once you're 65 which is past the lifespan of the normal black man. So black men pay into it all their lives so that other ppl, but not them, can benefit.

reply from: yoda

Illegal immigrants pay into it, through "borrowed" social security numbers, and can't draw out a dime because they are illegal.... that's one reason why our government LOVES illegal immigrants and will not try to stop employers from hiring them.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

It is not just the illegal immigrants that can not benefit from it. My Daddy works for the Union Pacific Railroad and has since her was 17, so 35 years and they have a good retirement plan. The government wanted to cancel the retirement plan about 5 years ago so they could use the money in it for other things, the workers were extremely upset about that and striked. The government made a deal with them that they would not take their retirement plan but they would have to pay double into social security every payday and never be eligible to draw from it.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

I agree that a baby should never be killed out of convenience or any other reason but I wonder if social security would benefit from them not. You wrote that most of all contributing to social security. Yes they would be contributing to it but they would also be withdrawing from it later. I do not understand how it would improve??? I am not arguing your point, just confused on how it would help.

reply from: yoda

I know we are wandering off the subject, so I'll keep this brief...... I'm retired from a 35 year career on a railroad here in Tennessee, and what I recall was that Al Gore tried to combine our retirement with SS (during the Clinton administration), supposedly to save money for the government, but his plan was never acted upon. We've never made any deals to pay into SS, but our RRF payroll deductionas are about twice as high as SS, and always have been, since WW2. But then we draw out twice as much as SS does, so that's fair. Some of our members had SS credits years ago, and were able to "doubledip" and draw from both retirement systems, but that was outlawed at least 20 years ago. Now we can only draw from one system or the other.
p.s. My "I AM A PERSON" sign is still looking good!
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/?action=view¤t=IamaPerson2.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

reply from: faithman

Bumpity bumpity bump bump

reply from: yoda

Your link to the science museum is broken...........

reply from: faithman

Try the I am a person link. You might try and copy and paste the image onto an email and send it to me. If it works, it would be a great way of getting this out. Had another report of a woman who changed her mind after seeing the post card. Never grow tiered of that.

reply from: godless

WOW again!!! This stuf is the best I ever saw. But why does a thread have to be ruined that started out so encouraging? FM why must you self destruct your message with such ugly posts. Have to give the devil his do though. The e-mails were beautiful. I will send them out to my list. I am also looking at that windows to the womb cd. So are you sure there won't be any copy right problems with this stuf? I don't have a god to bail me out of trouble. Hey everybody, this butt really will send you some very beautifull info if you give him an email address. I think his god short changed him in the personality department though. Maybe the rest of you christ dudes could pray for him.

reply from: yoda

Yo dude, mr. godless man, there is one copyright issue with the photo..... it does have a copyright notice in it, and if you take it to a place like Kinko's to have it copied, they will insist on a release from the copyright owner...... which is contained in the little booklet that comes with the CD. Just a heads up, dude.

reply from: faithman

I think you could get an 800 number for Life Issues to call if you have probs with copyright. Heathens sheesh. But at least you are doing more than the "christ dudes". SSSSOOOO maybe I will cut you some slack. Fan club.... gotta luv it.... secretary of kick butt....snicker snicker....

reply from: BiblicalTruth

Excuse me?
BiblicalTruth

reply from: faithman

Excuse me?
BiblicalTruth
Your excused

reply from: faithman

A friend came to work and found his receptionist/secretary very down and watery eyed. She had just found out she was pregnant. She said they were considering all the "options". She also said that a trip to Planned Parenthood was in the near future. He said wait a minute I have something in my car I would like to show you. He went to the glove box of his car, and got an I AM A PERSON hand out card. Her responce to the card was,"My God, I was told it was just a blob. This is 7 weeks?" That is about how far along she was. The trip to PP was canceled, and the couple are now making plans to raise their child. I get reports like this all the time. Changed hearts and saved lives. I will send a sample to anyone who will PM me a snail mail address. You can have them sent general dilevery to your nearest post office in your name to keep your information private.

reply from: yoda

Last night I saw a talk and an interview with Patrica Heaton (of "Everybody Loves Raymond") on her reasons for opposing abortion. She made the point that telling women that they have "just a blob" instead of a baby is the "Lie from the pit of hell". And I think that's a good way of putting it.

reply from: MattG

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reply from: faithman

Thanks for the info, and you are exactly right. Office depot has been a little more friendly in making copies. You might try to find a print shop owned by a pro-lifer. We have a man who makes them into post card size tracts for a nickel a piece if you order 20,ooo. We are collecting money for another run if you would like to chip in. would be glad to share.

reply from: faithman

Thanks for the info, and you are exactly right. Office depot has been a little more friendly in making copies. You might try to find a print shop owned by a pro-lifer. We have a man who makes them into post card size tracts for a nickel a piece if you order 20,ooo. We are collecting money for another run if you would like to chip in. would be glad to share.

reply from: faithman

May be getting I am a person into the family christian bookstore chain. Please pray for this to be succesful. Check out the site in my signature for preborn images

reply from: faithman

Bumkins be cute in that folksy kinda way.

reply from: faithman

Just a word of thank you to all who have requested the I AM A PERSON cards. I will continue to send them as long as my resourses hold out.

reply from: RobertFerguson

FM,
Just wanted to let you hear what I was told today about the I AM A PERSON postcards you sent me.
A gal at work came up to me at break, and thanked me for 'returning her' to her faith. She said she had wandered from the Lord and the postcard image had restored her focus to seek after the Lord again.
I keep the postcards in my truck and they show through to the outside (on the window). We were driving the company van to Jefferson City (4hours) for a jobsite a couple weeks ago and she mentioned seeing the image and asked about it. When we returned I gave her a copy from my truck and went on my way.
So again, thanks a bunch. Your investment is paying dividends.

reply from: faithman

Sometimes it is good to weep. Thank you. And thank you for informing so many about the cards. Another 300 went out today. Saving babies and winning hearts. gotta love it!!

reply from: faithman

Sometimes it is good to weep. Thank you. And thank you for informing so many about the cards. Another 300 went out today. Saving babies and winning hearts. gotta love it!!

reply from: faithman

Thank you robert for being such an encouragment to me. I will miss you very much. Save me a good seat in glory.

reply from: faithman

Thank you robert for being such an encouragment to me. I will miss you very much. Save me a good seat in glory.

reply from: faithman

Thank you robert for being such an encouragment to me. I will miss you very much. Save me a good seat in glory.

reply from: JaysonsMom

That's a really great sign. I'd love to have one to display.
Amy

reply from: faithman

Send me a snail mail address in a PM, and I will send info to you.

reply from: prolifejedi

I made a poster using a picture that was on the National Right to Life website. It says "Excuse me America, this is tissue (showing a box of kleenex) and then this is NOT, showing an unborn child. Someone who often is at friday peaceful protests offered to get a wooden frame on it, and I probably should get it framed. I also have several posters from the American Life League - one says Face it Abortion Kills and my favorite is the one that says "Roe HAS been saved. She's now prolife".

reply from: JaysonsMom

I like that, do you have a picture of the sign?
Amy

reply from: carolemarie

A friend of mine gave me some postcards with the this image on the front and the salvation plan on the back. I use them at the clinic with the women. We see lots of saves and I think that image has a lot to do with it.
It is not threatening or disgusting, so you can use it while you counsel them.
Carole

reply from: faithman

If you are talking about the I AM A PERSON, they came from yours truely. They are the most powerful tract I have used in 15 years of doing this. I'll put them up against anything as far as cost, and effectiveness. Ask them where they got them and get back to me. If you want more let me know.

reply from: carolemarie

She got them in Waco Texas, but I would LOVE more. They are the best sidewalk counseling tool I have ever had. Where do I get them? You can email me at silentnomorewichita@yahoo.com with the address.
Thanks!
Carole

reply from: faithman

Thanks so much for the report. What an encouragement. We can win. Just let me add.... A lady who had two abortions, and was sold out prochoice, saw the I AM A PERSON hand out card http://i81.photobucket.com/alb...yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg, was instantly converted to the life side, and started a prolife organization in her town. Anyone who would like to get on board, and recieve the I AM A PERSON http://i81.photobucket.com/alb...yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg material, just send me a snail mail address in a PM, and I will send you some stuff. This is the most powerful tool I have ever used in 12 years of pro-life work. It changes hearts, and stopps the proaborts dead in their tracks, like nothing else I have ever seen.

reply from: 4given

Thank you again so much for the I AM A PERSON cards! My spouse had them removed 2 days in a row from the community posting board where he works.. (Less than 10 minutes after placing card #1 and 30 minutes after the heavily stapled card #2 was placed) My sons however did bring them to school for sharing and as far as I know.. w/out incident. My youngest child asked if I could scan it and print it on t-shirts for them all to wear. Do I have your permission to do that? The fact that they are all so motivated to educate the youth around them (6-10 yr olds anyway) is encouraging to me and I know that would likely be the most efficient way to do so... I am planning on doing it anyway... I just wanted to say thank you! (My 1 yr. old foster pointed to the card and said "Baby!".. so I am hoping that means the generations before him will also grasp it..and hopefully as enthusiastically as he did!)

reply from: faithman

You most assuridly do have my permission to us the image anyway you want. I have made T Shirts, and they are a very effective way to show the beauty and truth of life in the womb. You can also put 4 cards on a peice of paper, and make your own tracts. Your age group of kids is perfect for I AM A PERSON. Every Pro-lifer in America should be armed with this life saving info. Thank you for your help to acomplish that goal. You can also tape a card to the lower left inside corner of your car's wind shield. You could save a baby by parking at Wal-mart.

reply from: JaysonsMom

Faithman, I'll be sending you a snail mail for some info within the next two weeks. I can't wait to display whatever material I can to help out.
Amy

reply from: faithman

Will be more than glad to serve you

reply from: ladybug

i really hope i can use these in some incredibly creative ways... the only question i have is legality and things of that nature. how often (or not) do people usually get in trouble for handing these out?? or does it just depend on where you are, situation, etc?

reply from: faithman

The best thing for all peaceful pro-lifers to do is contact the police. Comunity relations officer is the best place to start. You want a good working relationship with the PD. I try to let the local PD know what I am doing, and where I will be. That way when the proaborts call in on you the police already know you are there.Some cities have anti-solicitation laws. The way around these, is to not hand them out. Instead, get a high stool, find an high foot trafic area, and simply hold the card up. I guarintee that folk will come and take them from you. If you go to your local police station, they will also suply you with the oath of office that every policeman has to take and sign. It is a good reminder on the street to show the officer what they swore to uphold. Get a copy of the constitution, and carry it with you at all times when engaged in activism. Some cities require you to register with them to go door to door. Never put things in mail boxes, it is a federal offence. Mail the images to local authorities. Police chiefs, mayors and such. That way they are familiar with what you are up to. Know your rights. The american center for law and jutice [ACLJ] has great info. TRy to get a local pro-life attorney. Sometimes all you need is a letter from a law firm to get politicals to treat you different. Don't get discouraged. The first reaction you always get from government is the ole brush off. Perserver. When you go to vist your local officials, be ready to wait them out. A common tacic is for secretaries to say folk ain't in. I had this happen once, and I said that is OK I will wait. I kept them in their office for most of the day as I waited on them and they really were there!!!. Have to admit I got a chuckle out of that one. Be a suplier. Find "missionaries" at different venues. Prime targets are students. High school thru college are fair game. middle school is a little iffy. Elementery is defenatly parent territory. Pictures on a legally parked car by passes all kinda laws. Pictuers on clothing does the same. Most malls and parking lots are private property and off limits.But the pictures on the car can witness to many at wall mart while your getting stuff for your pro-life garden party. A poster on your front door is exposed to more eyes than you think. Sticky backed magnets, lets you put these on the ice box, and inside locker doors at school. Glue them to note books. Spray adhesive makes a quick stick . The kinda iffy tactics...... Put cards in chothes pockets and tupper ware at the store. Magazine stands, doctors offices, any kind of waiting room are good drop zones. With the spray adhesive, we have had some ladies put pictures on the backs of stall doors in public rest rooms. You can also do the same on the glass part of doors [does not mess up paint, and can be cleaned with WD40]. Churches, and pro-death businesses make most exsilent targets. Make an E-mail list of as many of the local media that you can. Send them regular pictures of the womb child. Many Tv reporters put an e-mail on the air. Most news paper reporters also put their email addresses in their stories. All those "MAIL FREE IF IN THE US" cards make good places for sprayed on pictures and dropped in the mail. Spray glue a picture on the out side of all your out going mail. Every politician should be getting e-mail/snail mail pictures. Every email list should have an I AM A PERSON email sent out to it. Every pastor in town should have a picture emailed/ snail mailed to them. Pro-life computer geeks can get on line, and type church e-mail list in a search engine to fined thousands of addresses to send the I AM A PERSON email. Educators are another very good target. Just be aware, informed, and ready to pounce on oportunity. Get armed and get busy!!!

reply from: faithman

The best thing for all peaceful pro-lifers to do is contact the police. Comunity relations officer is the best place to start. You want a good working relationship with the PD. I try to let the local PD know what I am doing, and where I will be. That way when the proaborts call in on you the police already know you are there.Some cities have anti-solicitation laws. The way around these, is to not hand them out. Instead, get a high stool, find an high foot trafic area, and simply hold the card up. I guarintee that folk will come and take them from you. If you go to your local police station, they will also suply you with the oath of office that every policeman has to take and sign. It is a good reminder on the street to show the officer what they swore to uphold. Get a copy of the constitution, and carry it with you at all times when engaged in activism. Some cities require you to register with them to go door to door. Never put things in mail boxes, it is a federal offence. Mail the images to local authorities. Police chiefs, mayors and such. That way they are familiar with what you are up to. Know your rights. The american center for law and jutice [ACLJ] has great info. TRy to get a local pro-life attorney. Sometimes all you need is a letter from a law firm to get politicals to treat you different. Don't get discouraged. The first reaction you always get from government is the ole brush off. Perserver. When you go to vist your local officials, be ready to wait them out. A common tacic is for secretaries to say folk ain't in. I had this happen once, and I said that is OK I will wait. I kept them in their office for most of the day as I waited on them and they really were there!!!. Have to admit I got a chuckle out of that one. Be a suplier. Find "missionaries" at different venues. Prime targets are students. High school thru college are fair game. middle school is a little iffy. Elementery is defenatly parent territory. Pictures on a legally parked car by passes all kinda laws. Pictuers on clothing does the same. Most malls and parking lots are private property and off limits.But the pictures on the car can witness to many at wall mart while your getting stuff for your pro-life garden party. A poster on your front door is exposed to more eyes than you think. Sticky backed magnets, lets you put these on the ice box, and inside locker doors at school. Glue them to note books. Spray adhesive makes a quick stick . The kinda iffy tactics...... Put cards in chothes pockets and tupper ware at the store. Magazine stands, doctors offices, any kind of waiting room are good drop zones. With the spray adhesive, we have had some ladies put pictures on the backs of stall doors in public rest rooms. You can also do the same on the glass part of doors [does not mess up paint, and can be cleaned with WD40]. Churches, and pro-death businesses make most exsilent targets. Make an E-mail list of as many of the local media that you can. Send them regular pictures of the womb child. Many Tv reporters put an e-mail on the air. Most news paper reporters also put their email addresses in their stories. All those "MAIL FREE IF IN THE US" cards make good places for sprayed on pictures and dropped in the mail. Spray glue a picture on the out side of all your out going mail. Every politician should be getting e-mail/snail mail pictures. Every email list should have an I AM A PERSON email sent out to it. Every pastor in town should have a picture emailed/ snail mailed to them. Pro-life computer geeks can get on line, and type church e-mail list in a search engine to fined thousands of addresses to send the I AM A PERSON email. Educators are another very good target. Just be aware, informed, and ready to pounce on oportunity. Get armed and get busy!!!

reply from: ladybug

thank you so much for the mail!!!! I really appreciate it and my dad did so as well... he is very much prolife but really doesn't like the aborted fetus "advertisements" He was really happy to see a positive way of expressing our beliefs and showing people what is right. Again thanks so much!!!

reply from: faithman

You are quite welcome. Feel free to make copies and pass along. Did the poster make it? That is the first time I mailed it that way.

reply from: faithman

You are quite welcome. Feel free to make copies and pass along. Did the poster make it? That is the first time I mailed it that way.

reply from: 4given

I was invited to participate in a polital booth at our towns family day. They asked me to bring whatever PRO-LIFE "material" I have for the display. I am going to use the I AM A PERSON cards as well as the poster (THANK YOU!), but really I am curious about what else I can do.. and how to go about it. Because of it being a "family day", it would not be appropriate to display anything gruesome (Please don't scare the kids w/ those pictures of an actual abortion folks!). My plan was to bring some of the photos and keep them folded at the table where we sit.. A more devious plan comes to mind and I have to fight against the urges of my youth to be a merry prankster in my own rite.. non-the-less, the family day is this Saturday and I was asked to be polite and quiet- so essentially.. I would love to have some ideas as to what else I can do to get the VOTE PRO-LIFE message across. Insight and ideas greatly appreciated!

reply from: faithman

There is nothing that works better than I AM A PERSON. That is what it was designed for. Take 4 to a sheet of paper, and make as many color copies as you can. Then cut them up. Churches sometimes have color copiers, or they may chip in to make copies. I don't think I could get more to you in time. I am getting low anyway. Make copies of the poster and get them out. You can copy and paste a message with the I AM A PERSON email, and print out a master for photo copy. That way you can put your own message on it. Keep an aborted picture with you, and ask the more interested if they want to see what a preborn looks like after abortion. The impact is tremindous, and they don't get mad at you after viewing the live baby. But you are right to keep the aborted out of view of children. Parents get real steamed. You might try to get the medical models of the preborn as well. Check your local groups. Some one should have one.

reply from: 4given

There is nothing that works better than I AM A PERSON. That is what it was designed for. Take 4 to a sheet of paper, and make as many color copies as you can. Then cut them up. Churches sometimes have color copiers, or they may chip in to make copies. I don't think I could get more to you in time. I am getting low anyway. Make copies of the poster and get them out. You can copy and paste a message with the I AM A PERSON email, and print out a master for photo copy. That way you can put your own message on it. Keep an aborted picture with you, and ask the more interested if they want to see what a preborn looks like after abortion. The impact is tremindous, and they don't get mad at you after viewing the live baby. But you are right to keep the aborted out of view of children. Parents get real steamed. You might try to get the medical models of the preborn as well. Check your local groups. Some one should have one.
I thank you once again! The I AM A PERSON cards were the reason I was asked to join them! It has been an awesome start, and I pray for an eventful future! I will continue to use them as often as I can, as my babies continue to desire to enlighten also. You are right that the picture itself requires no conversation at all! It should be interesting! Thank you!

reply from: 4given

176 requests for mailings re: topics that effect the election... Countless inquiries and volunteers.. I am trying to direct the $ towards you for the use of the I AM A PERSON cards.. Because I have a list and a general idea as to who may use them, it would only be right for you to be reimbursed for the $ you have spent sending them out. I know it was a love offering for the sake of the lives you seek to and have already protected..., non-the-less, because the response was so much higher than anticipated, I have some names (176) and requests, so should I just direct them to Life Issues? I am pleased w/ the response, and mostly it was w/out my presence at all! Made for quite a "family" day.. Thanks again! What to do w/ the list and whatever else?

reply from: faithman

Are the names on the list wanting to get involved? Did they put e-mail addresses on the list? An email news letter is very effective in spreading the word. Send them I AM A PERSON e-mails. I have found the laminated posters, rolled and taped, mail out real well. Thanks SSSSSOOOOO much for the post. It makes it all kinda worth it to hear the stories.

reply from: faithman

By the by. I would prefer you use any money to reproduce stuff local. That would be the biggest blessing to me. I would put money back into cards anyway. As long as you are getting the preborn image in front of eyes, we win. We have stumbled across the right image, the right message. Use your capital where you are. Put the I AM A PERSON image on anything, and everything.

reply from: 4given

Are the names on the list wanting to get involved? Did they put e-mail addresses on the list? An email news letter is very effective in spreading the word. Send them I AM A PERSON e-mails. I have found the laminated posters, rolled and taped, mail out real well. Thanks SSSSSOOOOO much for the post. It makes it all kinda worth it to hear the stories.
Faithman! It makes it more than kinda worth it! I have only a fraction of the e-mails. The State Rep. has the hard copy (or original sign up for information sheet) She has urged me to take membership, so if it means I have to engage myself in the spills or spins of a committee or two to get the Pro-Life message out, I will join them on their conquests and such.. Really w/out change at all. I will send the e-mails out and word of mouth in this area makes one either afraid to address me or anxious to join or challenge me.. I am not used to this! I am soft-spoken and polite.. Anyway, I hope to reflect all of God's work here and with my mission to save some of our future generations! Thanks for the advice! You deserve reimbursement.. I will PM you..

reply from: 4given

Father God I thank and praise you for the efforts, determination, guidance and faithful service you have blessed us with via FAITHMAN. Please abundantly bless him for all he has done to promote the preservation of Your gift of life! It will continue on throughout the generations! Faithman, the I AM A PERSON cards have had such an impact on my family, friends and visitors- nevermind the youth! You are a blessing, and your efforts are proven daily! Be encouraged! Stay strong! Much appreciation and respect!

reply from: 4given

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN!!!!

reply from: faithman

Now I am having an opra moment. sniff sniff. Thanks.

reply from: 4given

Okay- Now get over yourself and back to the battle fields where you belong! And be encouraged for the battle! Your efforts are not in vain! (But you might want to leave the Kleenex on the couch, as cute as that is)

reply from: faithman

How about my little red hanky. I can take with, right?

reply from: faithman

I still have some cards, and a little postage money. I will send a sample of the best pro-life tract around, if you PM me a snail mail address. I also have a very good series of e-mails that I will send out to those who PM me an email address. Get armed, and get busy!!!

reply from: faithman

As soon as I find one, I will be more than glad to do it.

reply from: 4given

Yeah. Faithman, is there any way you can save a dead, boring soul and guide them to the realization that it is an actual person they may be contemplating to have aborted? Oh wait! I AM A PERSON cards!

reply from: faithman

Snicker, snicker. may haps what is on the back would help.

reply from: faithman

....And by the by, almost 20,000 must like boring stuff huh?

reply from: 4given

I received the 8 weeks from conception card today. I thank you! I will definately use this one as well. Do you know if the Watch The Baby Grow e-mail is copyrighted? Can I use that as well? I have seen the images in a book I have, so I wasn't sure if it would be lawful to use them publicly or not. Do you know?

reply from: faithman

Haven't the foggyest on that one. I copy and pasted it off of a site. I don't remember which. Sometimes it is easyer to ask forgiveness than permission.

reply from: coco

Fman this is TOTALLY out of the subject but can I get your myspace page or something???

reply from: faithman

And a bump just for you spinny.

reply from: yoda

I think that spinny is kinda sweet on you, FMan......

reply from: faithman

my charm is iresistable.

reply from: 4given

An update: although a small one, but one that keeps the I AM A PERSON cards working; The mechanic we use and a local pizza place have agreed to keep a card posted in their establishment at all times. I always prefer to ask first- just to get the topic going. I have family members that frequent the university and other places in town, and they don't ever ask. They just put them up randomly, yet discreetly. When I have more copies made, I will be more "generous" w/ the postings- Especially at the university, where the bathrooms, library, study areas etc. will make a good place for them. I had one of the professors there years ago, and I will also ask him to help out w/ this. Thanks again for the cards themselves! It has been a great family project!

reply from: screwBenedict

It's beyond laughable that so many at this site run to Bush or other modern day self-proclaimed conduits to God for knowledge. In fact, what you receive from such sources cannot even be classified as knowledge. Bush is an obvious think tank puppet and the Pope, Benedict, is no more credible than the dyslexic cocaine addict we call our president.

reply from: yoda

Can you say T-R-O-L-L ?
(Hint: neither man is nearly as important to any of us as saving unborn babies.)

reply from: Teresa18

I don't know what your point is to come on here and go after Pope Benedict, who I consider to be the holiest servant of God on earth. He truly believes the Catholic faith and proclaims it well. He is a brilliant man. He has a doctorate in theology and is fluent in 6 languages with a knowledge of a 7th language. He has also published many books over the years.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_fat...ort-biography_en.html
The rest of his accomplishments are listed in the linked biography above.
He is an avid defender of the Church's teaching of protecting human life from conception until natural death. Of course, we are concerned with abortion on this forum.
It makes no sense for you to come on here and begin bashing George Bush and the Pope. I know liberals love to bash conservatives, but this is not the forum to do that. Go to a political forum. Here, we are working to defend unborn babies. We respect all who wish to join in that fight. I might not agree with George Bush on all issues, but he has done a lot for pro-life. Pope Benedict is an incredible ally as well.

reply from: 4given

I won't speak for anyone else, but the Pope, George W. Bush or God did not influence my drive to protect the unborn or my feelings on abortion. God gives me strength and compassion, but I always somehow knew it was horribly wrong to murder someone. Being, Catholic, Republican or God- fearing at all does not make one pro-life.

reply from: AshMarie88

Fyi I'm a pro-life Christian who cannot stand that creep of a dictator - I mean ruler.

reply from: faithman

ALMOST HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE ANOTHER RUN OF CARDS. WE HAVE $970, AND IT COST AROUND $1200 FOR 20,000. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HELP, CAN SEND A TAX DEDUCTABLE DONATION TO: WRTL;PO box 24133; waco, tx. 76702 make checks and money orders out to Waco Right To Life.

reply from: faithman

I am not, and actually dispise, conservatism. I am a classic liberal. The problem is that what is passed off as being liberal is actually social progressive. The communist movement of the early 20th century wormed their way into liberalism and changed it's face totaly. A clasic liberal means to be a free man. To look at an issue from both sides of an argument, and make an educated discission based upon the information at hand. A classic liberal will be pro-life. We believe in the princaples our classic liberal for fathers, who founded our country on. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We believe that we are only as strong as the weakest link in the chain. If we do not protect the rights of the weakest, then despotism is right around the corner. Both sides of this issue are being used as useful idiots by politicals. "conservatives" are being used by power hungry corperations that are selling out the constitution for global profits. They only give "pro-life" lip service for their vote, and then throw a few incramental crumbs, and empty laws to apease the fund raising efforts of "leaders". The "liberals" are the useful idiots of one world goverment types, that despise any true liberty of the individual. They are nothing more than repackaged comunist. Any body who believes in the foundational princaples of our nation, will look at the scientific evidence of life in the womb, and see a vunerable little person, who is includded in our constitution 40 words into the pre-amble. Classic liberals know that our rights come from our Creator, and government is the guardian, not the origin of our liberties. Classic liberals know that liberty actually means to be free from evil, not freedom to do it. That is why we have the rule of law.We also understand that the power to have a 1st amendment is found in the 2nd. By and large, "pro-life" is a useless bill of goods designed to fail. It is nothing more that an endless PR war that makes a healthy living for a few, on the donations of the well meaning. We don't need anymore organizations. If you do a net search, you will find that over 30 million dollars a year is donated to "pro-life". I think it is a sick testamony that the only thing we have gotten in return is meaningless laws, and glossy beggar sheets begging for more money to keep the salaries, and luxury suites paid for. If this is to end, it will be when the individual person looks at this honestly. Sees the little person who will die by the thousands today, and say no more. The only hope I see for a peaceful end, is the fiber optic photos, and ultra sound. If only a small pinch of the pro-life dollar were invested in I AM A PERSON posters and cards, this issue would end very quickly. If all America sees is the idiots of OSA herding their pro-life carnaval from one media event to the next, middle america will not get involved, and remain silent. When we give them a place to partisipate we win everytime. And the media will play the live photos on the evening news. We can continue to dip our pro-life paint brush in the marginalizing bucket of OSA radicalism, Or abondon the personality cult tactics of those who have made a cottage industry out of womb children rights, and arm every pro-lifer in America with the effectual materials of life in the womb. I have no other motivation in this issue, than stopping the slaughter. And I confidently throw the gauntlet down, and challenge anybody to show me anything that is more effective in winning hearts to the cause, and saving babies on such a massive, and across the board scale. I ain't seen it yet, and when I do, I most assuredly will start useing it. It is harder to kill someone you have to look in the eye.

reply from: 4given

Faithman! Much appreciation for the I AM A PERSON cards! Again, they have helped to educate a family, and quite possibly a neighborhood! It truly helps w/ the passion my children have shown -to in turn desire to educate those around them! I appreciate the cards and your generosity in providing them to us! They will be used and those around us will be eductated- especially since we both have them on our windshields at all times. I thank you!

reply from: faithman

There should have been some scripture sheets as well. I hope that you can use them. Please feel free to make copies and pass along.

reply from: 4given

I found the Scripture to be encouraging! I thank you again for the I AM A PERSON cards and literature! They will be used and copied for future use. Thank you!

reply from: faithman

They prove their worth over and over again. It is simply the best tract I have ever used in over 15 years of doing this.

reply from: 4given

The I AM A PERSON cards have also helped keep young hands from mischief! Although I overheard them plotting to tape them to the pro-abort neighbors mailboxes.. I discouraged it of course. Thank you! I trust in the the ability to change hearts and minds. I will update as things begin to happen. The thing is now everyone wants an opinion on for one, today I was asked how I felt about a woman who was going to die or have her child die.. Many have questions that they would otherwise not feel comfortable asking, unless the topic was brought up. Having the cards on display means I don't have to bring it up- It has been interesting thus far. Thank you!

reply from: faithman

Hard cases are a trap that the skanks love to lay. Don't fall for it. Here is your answere. Hard case abortions were legal before roe. They are a non issue. We are talking about abortion on demand. Over 90% of abortion is for non-medical reasons on perfectly healthy babies in perfectly healthy moms. Doctors have always had the disgression on abortion to save a mother's life. Make non isssues non issues. stay focussed on the 98 percent that are killed for no reason at all. Then you might ask the womb gay question. Gets the bortheads chasing their tail everytime.

reply from: 4given

I can't help to answer any abortion related question, and because of the I AM A PERSON cards I had at the RNC booth a few weeks ago, I tend to get some random phone calls (6 total) from friends of my sisters mostly (I have had 2).. and it is always the 2% that seek an opinion- Of course I am willing to educate anyone w/ an interest- I could even hand the phone over to my 10 yr. old and he could educate them about the basics. It is all about the ability to educate someone-whether at Wal-mart, as you said- or at the elementary school.. All a part of the learning process for me, as you know- I am willing to do whatever I can to educate any and all about what an abortion is- And my sons will take care of the rest- I am confident in that! (they are unyielding about their stance- abortion for any obscure reason- all the pity attached, they will w/out hesitation reply "no!") The unborn have a future- in this neighborhood and town they do! I do not attempt to engage others in the rape/incest/medical/deformity topic, but will not hesitate to respond should it come up. The odd thing is that most of the bortheads actually justify there "only if" scenario when questioned, so the 2% actually is their battle cry.. Thank you for the advice, I will take everything I have learned into consideration, with appreciation and respect!

reply from: heartbroke

6 years ago, I was a freshman in collage. The test came back, and I was pregnant. My boy freind didn't want to be a dad, and my parents didn't want to help me raise a child. They conspired together to get me to terminate my pregnancy. The clinic apointment was made with Planned Parenthood, and an abortion was scheduled. Then a freind showed me a little card with this beautiful picture of a 7 week from conception per-born child. The card said that the child was a person, as anybody with half a brain could see. She told me it was a picture of life. My heart sank and broke at the thought of what I was about to do. Then she turned the card over and said, now that you have seen a picture of life, let me introduce you to the author of life. She read me the scriptures, and told me that no matter what I had down wrong, the Lord Jesus Christ died for it on the cross. She said that he would make it right if I would surrender my life to him. To make the long story short, I gave my life to Christ, and now have a wonderful daughter named Amanda, who is in the gifted class in her pre-school. The card also convicted my now Godly husband Jerry, who truely loves me almost as much as he does his Lord. My heart is still broken to think what I almost did. But nothing is enough to repay the debt I owe to a little blue card. Thank you

reply from: boburhed

Hi,
I want to post this as food for thought and I'd love to hear your input. Thanks in advance.
I'm on the fence about this issue and wanted to illicit some dialog. Since you folks have obviously made up your minds already, perhaps you could help me to understand your position and reach a decision for myself.
A story: I recently had unprotected sex and, though there was some certainty that no insemination had taken place, the next morning my partner and I went to the local planned parenthood to get the morning after pill. I had never done this before. It was her idea. I think it was wise. If an accident had happened, we could have wound up discussing abortion vs marriage. We had only been dating for a short time and jumping right into marriage would have been a huge mistake, especially for the wrong reasons... reasons like: she got knocked up.
I assume you would disapprove of the use of this pill. There is no way of knowing whether we actually killed an embryo. In all likelihood, we did not. There was no reason to think that fertilization had actually taken place. We did this as a precaution. It's not unlike putting on the condom after the fact.
So, if we didn't kill an embryo, technically, you probably have no issue with my lover taking a little poison the day after sex to make her feel better. All she did was eat something that served no function.
If we did kill an embryo, I expect that you would have an issue.
Here are some questions I would like to ask you. This should shed some light on your position for me. Please let me know what you think:
If we killed an embryo, is it comparable to murder?
If so, would you argue that it should be punishable by the same standards?
Was the life of the embryo equal to the value of my life or yours?
Was the life of the embryo equal to, let's say, someone's family dog?
If we had snuck into someone's yard and killed their dog, would that be less of a crime because it wasn't a human life?
Would it be more of a crime to kill the dog because people loved it and considered it a "family member"?
If I had snuck onto a farm and killed a chicken, cooked and eaten it, would that be worse than killing the dog? What if the chicken was a beloved pet? What if the chicken was on it's way to slaughter anyway?
Is that just a cop-out excuse? The fact that the chicken was going to die anyway? Does that excuse me from extinguishing the life-force that God gave that chicken and make it OK?
From your perspective, doesn't God decide when a chicken or a person dies? Is the farmer's axe God's instrument of death for the chicken? Is the morning after pill God's instrument of death for the embryo that may have been resting, newly fertilized in the womb of my lover?
I tend to believe that God is active and integral in every moment in life and every space in the universe. I think that God is there when a burglar robs a home and kills a family out of fear and desperation. I think that God is with the family when they die and that God is with the burglar when he kills. I think that God is indiscriminate in this way. What do you think?
Part of me thinks that if you are going to argue the pro-life side, you should really stick to your guns and argue for all life. This is impossible, because life feeds on life. If you chose not to kill anything or take part or contribute to the killing of anything alive, you would die fairly soon yourself. It would be tantamount to intentional suicide. You have to kill something to survive. Plants at least.
Plants are the easiest killing on the psyche because plants do not have senses and they do not feel pain or have fear.
I tried being a vegetarian for a while, but I was raised on meat and I wasn't very good at being a vegetarian. I lost a lot of weight and ate way way way too many beans... I was getting depressed from always eating the same things. Finally, bacon pulled me back into the fold and I will probably never go completely vege again.
There is a religion practiced mostly in India called Jainism. The Jains are really SERIOUS about not killing. They try not to move at all during the day because when you walk you kill small insects that you can't even see. They never eat anything that is alive. They only eat fruit that has already fallen off the tree. The idea is to not kill anything, to purify yourself and lose the self completely so that when you die (which will be soon), you leave the world and "go to a better place". If you fail in your efforts to spare living things... if you are not completely pure when you die, you are reborn and you start the whole process over again.
You and I can not comprehend the severity of this religious practice. We have no idea how much commitment to higher purpose this road takes. There is no equivalent in the west. I'm not saying I look up to them. I think they are making a mistake and missing out on living a full life. I'm just saying that when it comes to pro-life, your program falls short of theirs. Your committment to principle pales in comparison. They are very extreme and you are less extreme.
Let's look at the opposite side of the issue. I must not be pro-life currently because of this encounter with the morning-after-pill. The fact that I think it's ok must mean that I am pro-choice in my stance. I do not know what I would have done if my lover came to me in a month and told me she was pregnant. If she wanted an abortion, I suppose I would have deferred to her because after all, she is the burdened party. The child would lose out on life, but luckily, the child didn't know life at all and had no life experience. It's likely the child's mind would have never concieved of being alive. It would not realize any loss. It would not be aware of loss of life. It would simply lose life and that would be that.
I'm trying to think of an extreme for someone who does not value life. There may not be any equivalent to the Jains in this realm. I know of no group of people who believe that everything they cross paths with should be extinguished. The closest thing I can come up with is a mass-murdering dictator like Lenin that kills off rediculous numbers of people. I'm sure this type of person would have little qualm with killing a plant, an insect or a chicken for a meal. Naturally, I think Lenin made a mistake too. I think that his position is cruel and wrong and that he did the world a disservice by robbing it of the human potential in the masses he executed. In a way, he also did the world a service in the sense that the earth's resources are technically limited and by his atrocities, he reduced overall world demand for the resources that keep the rest of us alive.
I do not espouse either extreme.
My personal question (perhaps quest) is to find the best middle ground.
If you say "All human life is valuable" and that killing an embryo is tantamount to murder, I respect that but I do not buy it completely.
For instance, what about the life of a Jain? They don't do anything of note. They don't help humanity in any way. They just try not to hurt anything until they die. Hypothetically, if the fetus of a Jain were aborted, would it have made much of a difference in the world? Is their fetus as much of a loss as, say Albert Einstein?
What about the life of Lenin? If someone had aborted his fetus, millions of people would not have died. So is his life an exception? Would the loss of his fetus actually have been a gain?
Back to my personal scenario, if we had not purchased the morning after pill, if she had gotten pregnant, if we had not aborted the child, if she had decided to raise the child on her own or if we had decided to get married, would the consequences of this action be better than using the pill?
I think that the answer is "who knows?"
What if we get married and end up in a hateful marriage that harms the child irreversibly? What if this perpetuates the cycle of hate and the child grows up to be a rapist/murderer? Is it worth that chance just so we can say we didn't kill an unaware being with no life experience to regret losing?
You and I can not say for certain that the world would be better off if the child was born or if the child dies. We simply have no way of knowing. What if the child would grow up to become a Hitler? Wouldn't it be best if the child dies before the chance occurs? But how could we have known?
What if the child would grow up to become a great president or holy person? Then it would be terrible to have aborted. But how could we have known?
How, with such a lack of omniscient foresight, can we make a decision that every human life is worth saving?
If the potential is that the child could be great or terrible, how can we just say that a human life is generally valuable?
Could it have anything to do with our personal attachment to ourselves and our transferring this attachment to the human race in general?
Is it wrong to abort a chimpanzee? They are so close to being human. Is their life less valuable because they can not speak or do anything beyond simple intellectual means? What about retarded humans or humans with other birth defects that may render them less useful or aware than your average chimpanzee?
Let me know if you deny that this exists and I will find specific cases for you. I am absolutely certain that in the history of humankind that there are many people born who are of less worth than a chimpanzee. It's not nice to say, but it is true. Especially if you take into consideration the fact that chimpanzee researchers learn a lot about the human brain and human disease by studying chimps. There are many chimps who have done more for humankind than most humans.
If we took pro-life reasoning a degree further than most pro-lifers go, shouldn't semen and eggs be preserved?
Every day, thousands or millions of half-humans die in my testacles. One of them could be hitler or the messiah. In your line of thinking, is it not a crime to deny them the chance to swim in a race for an egg? Is it not a crime to leave that egg unfertilized when it has a full human life potential? Should we be extracting these on a regular basis and saving them in a cryogenic freeze so that there is still the possibility of life in the future for these human seeds?
Thanks

reply from: 4given

That is an awesome testimony! One that could be used to help save countless babies from their painful end! The I AM A PERSON cards are actually the same thing you describe- Faithman has had Scripture printed on the back of them as well. God knows there are countless women and men in the same situation you were not so long ago! God wants to use you! He never gives us any burden we can not bear w/out His help. I hope you will return and contribute your opinions here. You have a unique story and it should be heard. Your convictions should be shared w/ others still uncertain of their feelings on abortion. It is encouraging that 3 lives were saved on that day! Welcome!

reply from: heartbroke

That is an awesome testimony! One that could be used to help save countless babies from their painful end! The I AM A PERSON cards are actually the same thing you describe- Faithman has had Scripture printed on the back of them as well. God knows there are countless women and men in the same situation you were not so long ago! God wants to use you! He never gives us any burden we can not bear w/out His help. I hope you will return and contribute your opinions here. You have a unique story and it should be heard. Your convictions should be shared w/ others still uncertain of their feelings on abortion. It is encouraging that 3 lives were saved on that day! Welcome!
I have viewed the card on some of the posts here, and it is the very card that saved us. I have it in a scrape book by Amanda's birth pictures. Somehow she seems to know that the card is special. She calls it her special tummy baby friend. I know one day I will have to tell her the story. I truely dred that day, and pray that she will not hate me for what I almost did. How do you tell a child you almost had them killed? The card came from a fair booth in central Texas.If it came from the same people posting here, then they are truely my hero. I owe my entire family to the card. I think that there is a women's ministry in Temple Texas, that the founder was converted to pro-life, and Jesus Christ by the card. I will try and get her name, and the name of the ministry, and post it. Can you really get more of them here? Is that offer for real? How do you do that? The one I have has won more than a few to pro-life. We are starting to see it all over the place. The beauty and power of it are amazing.

reply from: AshMarie88

Heartbroke, you are very courageous for not listening to the pro-abortion side. It's great to know there are women like you out there!
I am so sure that your daughter won't hate you. You gave her life, and you did realize what you could have done was very wrong, you spared her. She'll understand that when she is old enough.
Similar to a situation, my mom aborted when she was 22 or 23, I just found out only about 5 or 6 months ago. She told me she wanted to wait until I was old enough to understand. I think she was scared I'd hate her or something. She regrets it to this day, and while what she did was wrong (she didn't know the truth until after it happened), I still love her, and I know my older brother (who'd be about 27 right now) knows that too, wherever he is right now...
You're right, we're starting to see people becoming pro-life everywhere. It's wonderful.

reply from: heartbroke

Your post means so much to me, and gives me hope and comfort. I love my daughter so very much, and it would simply kill me if she were to hate me. Thank you.

reply from: 4given

Your baby girl is the beginning of a future for her generation! Educate her, and she most likely will educate those around her. There are so many that do not have adequate education or understanding about what an abortion is. The card that saved the 3 of you, is the card my sons have been putting to use already in their classrooms, in the neighborhood and in town. They are 7,8 and 10, but fully understand what an abortion is and does. I am happy in this day that an educated child will be influencing the future in a morally correct way! Her life will be a blessing to many others- just as your life will be a blessing to those seeking answers here- maybe even today! I am so glad you found your way here! I am encouraged for the future generations because of the passion I have seen w/ my sons and the youth around them. That includes your Amanda! She can only educate w/ the facts- all things for a reason, and perhaps part of God's will would most definately be your testimony, but may also include the leadership of your baby girl!

reply from: heartbroke

Thank you for your kind words. Is the offer for cards for real? How do you get them? What is PM?

reply from: 4given

Private message- Click on the PM and look for faithman- He has blessed countless homes and lives with them- I am rejoicing in the blessing of your journey past and future! I am excited! I am encouraged!

reply from: heartbroke

Is that guy for real? In some post, he sounds like the deepest Christian on the planet. His prayers are amazing, and inspireing. But then he post some very juvanile stuff, and you would think he is out of his mind. I don't know if I want to get involved with a person like that. But he could be the very person resposible for saving Amanda from abortion. Did he really produce these cards? What can you tell me about him? Just a little leary. A girl can't be to caeful these days.

reply from: 4given

Is that guy for real? In some post, he sounds like the deepest Christian on the planet. His prayers are amazing, and inspireing. But then he post some very juvanile stuff, and you would think he is out of his mind. I don't know if I want to get involved with a person like that. But he could be the very person resposible for saving Amanda from abortion. Did he really produce these cards? What can you tell me about him? Just a little leary. A girl can't be to caeful these days.
A girl can't be too careful these days.. He is a Christian, juvenile or not, he is sincere about the saving of human lives! You should not judge him based on his interactions w/ a pro-abort. We all have different feelings towards those that advocate the mutilation of the unborn- his tactics are a bit strong perhaps. His language is anyway. The bottom line is that his passion that brought forth the I AM A PERSON cards, has potentially saved far more lives than he may even realize. What you need to know about him has already been shared- He fears God, he has devoted his life to the unborn, he has sent thousands of cards across the US free of charge (which means all of his personal resources go into everything he does) he abuses the word skank, he is upfront about all he believes in.. whether one appreciates it or not.. what else? Oh yes, he has inspired my family and friends to take action w/ the cards and that is good enough for me! If he was responsible for the saving of your child's life, which I suspect he may have been, then that should be good enough for you as well.

reply from: heartbroke

Is that guy for real? In some post, he sounds like the deepest Christian on the planet. His prayers are amazing, and inspireing. But then he post some very juvanile stuff, and you would think he is out of his mind. I don't know if I want to get involved with a person like that. But he could be the very person resposible for saving Amanda from abortion. Did he really produce these cards? What can you tell me about him? Just a little leary. A girl can't be to caeful these days.
A girl can't be too careful these days.. He is a Christian, juvenile or not, he is sincere about the saving of human lives! You should not judge him based on his interactions w/ a pro-abort. We all have different feelings towards those that advocate the mutilation of the unborn- his tactics are a bit strong perhaps. His language is anyway. The bottom line is that his passion that brought forth the I AM A PERSON cards, has potentially saved far more lives than he may even realize. What you need to know about him has already been shared- He fears God, he has devoted his life to the unborn, he has sent thousands of cards across the US free of charge (which means all of his personal resources go into everything he does) he abuses the word skank, he is upfront about all he believes in.. whether one appreciates it or not.. what else? Oh yes, he has inspired my family and friends to take action w/ the cards and that is good enough for me! If he was responsible for the saving of your child's life, which I suspect he may have been, then that should be good enough for you as well.
Well OK then. I guess we all have our booger bears. I know I am a long way from where I should be. That card is just simply the most precious thing. Can I make copies of it? Or do you need some kind of special permission?

reply from: 4given

He has said time and again that it would be best if you could make copies of it. All of it is for the unborn and saving thereof.. No permission needed! Booger bears? That is so cute! Is that a Texas thing? Very cute! (coming from a female anyway) If you PM him, I am sure he can help you a lot. Everything he has done comes from his personal resources- ie. his pocket. You can click on the I AM A PERSON link as well, and that may provide answers as to how much it costs to mass produce them- I have a card or two I could mail to you if you want to make copies.. all to benefit the future Amanda's.. The bottom line here.

reply from: heartbroke

He has said time and again that it would be best if you could make copies of it. All of it is for the unborn and saving thereof.. No permission needed! Booger bears? That is so cute! Is that a Texas thing? Very cute! (coming from a female anyway) If you PM him, I am sure he can help you a lot. Everything he has done comes from his personal resources- ie. his pocket. You can click on the I AM A PERSON link as well, and that may provide answers as to how much it costs to mass produce them- I have a card or two I could mail to you if you want to make copies.. all to benefit the future Amanda's.. The bottom line here.
Oh honey, Texans got millions of little sayins. Its kinda our hobby. Keep yours. I will make some copies of the one I got, and pray about ole faithdude. Some fellas are just ruff cut. To tell you the truth, Texas gals like um that way. When the chips are down, they are nice to have around.

reply from: 4given

I am fond of your lingo. It is really cute! I know you would like him- he doesn't mix his words. I trust his intentions are pure. His motives are 100% related to the saving of human lives- who he portrays himself to be on the forum, likely isn't the man you would meet on the street. Not saying either character isn't "for real" (as you originally had asked), but I have only engaged him in a suitable context about the saving of womb children and the use of the I AM A PERSON cards to do so.

reply from: heartbroke

Womb children. What a totally beautiful way to put it. I think I will add that to my "lingo". Where did you pick that one up from?

reply from: 4given

Womb children. What a totally beautiful way to put it. I think I will add that to my "lingo". Where did you pick that one up from?
I borrowed, did not steal- it from faithman. I always referred to womb children as the unborn.. I far prefer womb children now- I just realized I didn't ever thank him for introducing me to the term.. It makes sense though, does it not?

reply from: heartbroke

Womb children. What a totally beautiful way to put it. I think I will add that to my "lingo". Where did you pick that one up from?
I borrowed, did not steal- it from faithman. I always referred to womb children as the unborn.. I far prefer womb children now- I just realized I didn't ever thank him for introducing me to the term.. It makes sense though, does it not?
The term is really endearing, and is such a lovely way to present the truth. Kinda reminds us gals how special we are, that God would build in us His workshop. "I HAVE FORMED YOU IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB" !!! I am so glad that God made me a mom. I still have troubling thoughts about almost throwing it away.

reply from: 4given

Womb children. What a totally beautiful way to put it. I think I will add that to my "lingo". Where did you pick that one up from?
I borrowed, did not steal- it from faithman. I always referred to womb children as the unborn.. I far prefer womb children now- I just realized I didn't ever thank him for introducing me to the term.. It makes sense though, does it not?
The term is really endearing, and is such a lovely way to present the truth. Kinda reminds us gals how special we are, that God would build in us His workshop. "I HAVE FORMED YOU IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB" !!! I am so glad that God made me a mom. I still have troubling thoughts about almost throwing it away.
And those thoughts alone have proved to have more significance than you would have ever known, had you not come to the realization of the heinous crime God spared you of! All for His glory, and I am so happy that He is using you for His will- both in the blessing of your life and those you will help to save!

reply from: heartbroke

Womb children. What a totally beautiful way to put it. I think I will add that to my "lingo". Where did you pick that one up from?
I borrowed, did not steal- it from faithman. I always referred to womb children as the unborn.. I far prefer womb children now- I just realized I didn't ever thank him for introducing me to the term.. It makes sense though, does it not?
The term is really endearing, and is such a lovely way to present the truth. Kinda reminds us gals how special we are, that God would build in us His workshop. "I HAVE FORMED YOU IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB" !!! I am so glad that God made me a mom. I still have troubling thoughts about almost throwing it away.
And those thoughts alone have proved to have more significance than you would have ever known, had you not come to the realization of the heinous crime God spared you of! All for His glory, and I am so happy that He is using you for His will- both in the blessing of your life and those you will help to save!
Oh sis, now I got the sniffle snuffles. I am so glad for the promise that my Father God will wipe away all tears. But it does feel good to "talk" about it. I hope any girl listening in will wait for the one God daddy ordained for you to have. [Mandy has her God daddy, and her man daddy]

reply from: 4given

Be encouraged in the woman she will be- Of course the enemy wanted to do her in- She has a calling, and you can help to direct that. We are all called to do God's work, whether we are obedient to the Spirit or not. Just as you have been called- Your family was saved because of the pain in your troubled mind that day! That is powerful! You have been called and God will use you! Please share your experience w/ those around you- One never knows the end result or the benefit that comes from personal pain. (although I feel God reveals it at some time) Be uplifted! Your time here has been encouraging to me. I do hope you will spend some time here w/ us. Your experience is what others need to relate to. I have a feeling it is not unique- (the desperation, the anguish, the fear)but the outcome is what matters most. God wants to use you. The women considering abortion could be enlightened by you. Educate!

reply from: cassabreu

I want to give Fman props for all he does with the I am a person "movement". He has been more than willing to extend a helping hand to me as I get started as a pro-life advocate. Thanks!
~Cassandra

reply from: AshMarie88

He would enjoy that way too much.

reply from: AshMarie88

And just who have I attacked? A little speck is not a baby.
You're right, a "speck" is not a http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA10w4d_squirming-th.jpg. We're not even discussing "specks". We ARE discussing babies.

reply from: AshMarie88

And just who have I attacked? A little speck is not a baby.
You're right, a "speck" is not a http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA10w4d_squirming-th.jpg. We're not even discussing "specks". We ARE discussing babies.
p.s. that's a 10 week old "speck"

reply from: cassabreu

Agreed. Ole Rick may be a tad rough around the edges, but he puts his time, effort, and money where it counts..... saving babies. And that tells me all I need to know.
Exactly, no one is trying to defend his vobaulary (or lack thereof) all i am saying is that he is very helpful to those getting started in the "I am a person" movement.

reply from: gotfetus

As long as you make heros out of those with personality disorders, we win. Keep up the good work! Speck removal will remain legal with your help. Thanks!!

reply from: AshMarie88

And just who have I attacked? A little speck is not a baby.
You're right, a "speck" is not a http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA10w4d_squirming-th.jpg. We're not even discussing "specks". We ARE discussing babies.
p.s. that's a 10 week old "speck"
BUMPITY BUMP

reply from: AshMarie88

Well I have to start getting ready for 9 hours of work now. I'll be sure to become pro-choice before I get there, because I should be, considering how hard life is.

reply from: 4given

These cards are effective. Whatever personal problem one has w/ him, putting all of that aside, there is a positive in these cards! Let's keep it about the unborn. This is just another thing to be used to help fight for them. He has given me permission to use them any way that I can or choose to. If there is someone that has a desire to do something for the cause, you can contact me if you would prefer. PM me contact info and I will send you his material. I do not fully agree with his methods, but he is right about the I AM A PERSON message. Every pro-lifer should have these materials, and I will do what I can to help those who desire to use them as well.

reply from: 4given

Agreed. Ole Rick may be a tad rough around the edges, but he puts his time, effort, and money where it counts..... saving babies. And that tells me all I need to know.
Exactly, no one is trying to defend his vobaulary (or lack thereof) all i am saying is that he is very helpful to those getting started in the "I am a person" movement.
Give credit where it is deserved! Beyond a personal opinion, many children have been likely saved because he put his energy and passion to use. That is enough for me!

reply from: cassabreu

Thank you Fman for the more than generous shipment of the I Am A Person cards. Since recieving them, everywhere I go I post them on bulletin boards or leave some with local business cards in stores. I also left a pile of them in our church in the front hall, the response was awesome. I was thinking though, many women who recieve abortions are not religious people. Perhaps the cards would be equally if not more effective if on the back there were facts about fetal development; when the heart starts beating, when fingers and toes are fully formed, when baby begins to hear etc... I feel that this may pull on the heart strings more than scriptures for some people.

reply from: faithman

As an active I AM A PERSON committy member, feel free to do that. You can take 4 cards to a piece of paper, or card stock. Make copies whith what you want on the back. It cost me about $1200 dollars to make 20,000. I have split the cost with groups before. They bought the back side of the card, and I put I AM A PERSON on the front. They get their info distributed, and I get cards to hand out. You might try to sell the back of the card to churches or groups interested in pro-life. You could get several group's net addresses on the back. My guy can make smaller amounts, but the more you get, the less they are for individual piece. Around $800 for 10,000, $500 for 5000. But the prices are subject to change, and you have to make your own deal with the printer. If you have any copy right problems, you know how to contact me by email. You can also do like yoda, and buy the windows to the womb CD from life issues, which has the copy right permission statement in a booklet. This is one of the best gifts you could give a CPC. You can follow the link in my sig. If you can get a better price on production let me know so I can get them cheaper too. I refuse to put much of my personal pro-life money into anything else but copies. It cost me $70 to make and send a 3ft by 4ft poster. But you ought to be able to beat that price locally. If you have the I AM A PERSON email, any good print shop should be able to make cards, posters, heat transfer pictures for hats and t-shirts. Some have made iron ons from printers. You can also laminate the cards, and a sticky back magnet, and now your card will stick to iron and seal. I covered the whole back of a card, and it stayed on the back of a Plymouth mini van for 3 years. If you have the 8 by 11 regular paper I AM A PERSON, you can have them laminated, and they last a long time as yard signs, taped to front doors of homes or churches, and On church buses. Just be creative and have fun. So much of our work is sad dealing with the already dead. Lets rejoice as well, over the beauty that is womb child life. You are a servant of the child. We serve them best when we simply let them do the talking of a thousands words their picture provokes.

reply from: 4given

I agree. I am waiting on the Women's Republican National Committee to get back to me about funding for the Vote Pro-Life message to be included. The state rep. agreed that the I AM A PERSON cards were appropriate to use- It has been difficult to find people willing to pay for their message ( which would help alleviate some of the cost to duplicate them) I would encourage you to find others who vote Republican or pro-life to help with that if you could.

reply from: terry

This thread has gotten way off topic and has devolved into a name calling festival. If there are disagreements over philosophies, thoughts, methods and the like, start another thread.
We allow this forum to continue with little censorship as to the discussions so that it reflects the true nature of the issue, however, constant name calling along with accusations and counter accusations are counter productive and best left on the playground.
In addition, please refrain from identifying members by name, unless the member chooses to reveal it. This applies to all posters and members.
Thank you for the return to a measure of civility.

reply from: faithman

We serve the womb child best when we simply let them do the talking of a thousands words their picture provokes.

reply from: faithman

I have had several requests for material, and I have tried to respond to them as quickly as I could. It would be a big help if you would suply contact info, such as e-mail, or snail mail addresses, when making a request. If for security reasons you don't want personal info used, then you could use the address of your church, or sevice organization. If you have PMed me a request for material without contact info, please send me another PM with the needed info. I am deeply moved by the responce for the call to action on this effort. Our only "leader" is the womb child. Our only "head quaters" is the homes of our members. Our only oath is to be a servant to the cause, and to others. Our only purpose, Is to let the womb child speak the thousand words their picture provokes. Every individual member is autonimous, and must take responsibility for their own actions. In this way there is no target for bortheads to hit. There are no salaries, no utility bills, no office rent to pay. All we ask of members, is to get armed with the material and get busy. And of coarse injoy the assured victory these cards give you. That is the best part. To become a member is simple. Request the material, and promise to use them. Membership is open to WHOSOEVERWILL.

reply from: 4given

I actually had an acquainatance of mine who said that "I have no problem w/ anyone aborting , when the child looks like a peanut.." fortunately I was able to compile a series of pictures to e-mail to him.. The I AM A PERSON helped him realize that the "peanut" is actually a human.. He still argues for "choice of the woman", but he cannot argue that the "peanut" does not have eyes and limbs and a beating heart.. No word since.. It is baffling how uneducated people are as to abortion and also the stages of development.. Anyway, thank you for the I AM A PERSON cards- they may have made a difference again this week!

reply from: Motherof3

Got the I am a person material. thank you

reply from: faithman

Anybody who has gotten the I AM A PERSON materials, please go to the HOME page of this site, click on the contact us spot, and e-mail them a report. They may be doing a Life Talk segment on I AM A PERSON. Pray that this will help in getting the word out, and maybe get help on production.

reply from: whydeath

Awww is that you yodavater? I really like the "I am a person sign" I Googled it a while back and hoping to use at the mill.

reply from: yoda

Depends on what you're looking at..... if you're looking at the country bumpkin, then yeah, that's me.

reply from: faithman

Will be making more posters soon. The Lord has blessed me with a bathroom to remodel, which will give me funds for production, and mailing costs. Will be glad to send stuff to those who will suply an address.

reply from: Teresa18

Did you get the email I sent you, Faithman. I had to do it via email because I'm not sure how to send a message PM. I did manage to do it once, but I don't know how. Also, how is your wife doing?

reply from: yoda

Find a post from someone you want to send a PM to, then click on the little icon in the right upper corner of that post next to the printer, it's the second icon from the right, it looks like a tiny person in a red shirt with a dialog balloon behind them. It will give you a PM box.

reply from: faithman

Please retry. Sometimes my filter puts e-mail in the bulk folder, and gets deleted.
Sandy is doing very well. She has one more round of chemo this week end. Her alternative therapy has kept her built up, and her blood work is just about normal. Thanks for all the concern and prayers.

reply from: 4given

No problems thus far with the I AM A PERSON materials in the classroom! The boys put magnets on the back of the cards and have them on their lockers (the 2 that have lockers) So far, they have not been removed. I checked the school handbook over thoroughly and the only restrictions were alcohol, drug and violence related. ( a little surprised that they didn't have a sexual or profanity restriction.. however, it is elementary school) I spoke w/ one of the 3 teachers (the son w/out a locker) who stated " I have no problem with the materials in the classroom. I find it promotes learning, so do not hestitate to do so..." Which was awesome, as I know my baby boy will thrive under the leadership role granted! (He is a born leader, and loves to enlighten others about whatever they may be blind to. Parents were angered in kindergarten w/ his Santa is a lie speech-) He is the future! So anyway, not much of an update, but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th grade will understand abortion and life and the early stages via the IAAP cards! Thank you!
Prayers for Sandy also as I understand this week will be rough for her- you both really! I pray when led to, and have had the situation on my heart a few times today. You will both be in my prayers! Please update!

reply from: faithman

Grreat news!!! thanks for the report. Just another example of how the positive live pictures will go places the aborted aren't allowed. Let's try to flood the school system with life.

reply from: 4given

BTprettyW- The teacher w/"no problem.." in the classroom, assigned my timid child to the duty of debating the importance of a pro-life/ Republican president. I already had her stance more than 3 years back. My 10 yr old saw the "real" abortion photos tonight and asked the same question I have heard over and over- " Why aren't these doctor's arrested?!" Explaining how we live in a country where abortion is legal- he was stunned to silence. After a few moments, he asked how to chase the "evil abortion people out"- I explained his importance- The importance of his generation saving the future.. He is confident in his knowledge of abortion, but can not understand how or why one would abort. I gave him the various scenarios used for justification.. It still didn't satisfy the brutality in his mind- nor does it mine! God help us! Harder than abortion explained to the young, has been a more difficult task of explaining who and why.. They are (especially my eldest) disgusted and suirprised! He keeps asking me who this and the other voted for.. and if they vote Pro-life..or what their views are on abortion. He is the future! Anyone w/ children- educate them as they begin to ask and desire comprehension- My lads at 4, but others at one's discretion. We are not a family w/ secrets or at most, we discuss every idea.. I don't force my ideas on them, but the real abortion problem w/ the youth as I see it, is a lack of education! Pardon my ramblings friends.. grateful again for the I AM A PERSON cards in the classroom.. Ketos Faithman!

reply from: faithman

The teacher being a lesbo, you might try the womb gay rights angle.

reply from: 4given

I was blessed by the thread w/out then realizing it! I agree! She has not been a problem thus far.. (except for the stickers she had on her car.. and my son, who was disgusted and angered initially that he would have to be taught by a pro-abort..) It has been okay. She will understand abortion fully by the end of the year, if not the end of the quarter!Fabulous idea btw about the science fair! What an awesome opportunity to introduce the unborn as actual children - "womb children".. thanks for the term.. and the cards. I will update as things move on.. Hope all is well w/ you and also the (God bless) Sandy! Thanks for the materials given to make a difference in this corner of the world!

reply from: faithman

If your sons want to put on a display about womb life in the science fair, Let me know, an I will get you materials for such, sent your way ASAP. This is where we will win this. When we can get it into the schools, past the gools, it means we have obtained the scriptural mandate to be wiley as surpents, and gental as doves. You probly have a "I am a nice person" with teach. Softer approach will work best. Big smiles and freindly. It don't seem that you have a walleyed activist type. Teachers pet approach. There are a couple of pro-life homosexual groups on the net. Sometimes you give folk a safe place to retreat, You get them going in the right direction, then you can reel them the rest of the way in. Maybe a paper can be written about womb gay rights, with web site references to groups that promote the issue. When they see that we think that to kill a womb child because they might be gay is a hate crime, it fractures the secular humanist world view they have been brain washed with. Abortion advocates must stand by the right of a fundy to kill a womb child because of gayness. It is one of many foundation fractures in the slaughter house we should exploit.

reply from: 4given

Thank you for always being so generous w/ the I AM A PERSON material! All of my town and a few out have likely seen it! You are correct! The future is only protected by and with the efforts and education of the interested and the educable! May God bless every effort to do so! Thank you again for making the materials available.. the magnets (2) have been removed (or "lost"..). The one/ w/out a locker has it in his now partially laminated folder.. I rely on their willingness to stand strong- They are opinionated by their blessed rite... I may need some insight and help shortly.. as the science (sex ed for the 4th) soon approaches.. anyway- Thank you! Your insight and ideas are appreciated!

reply from: faithman

The local fair is in a few weeks. I will be using what material I have left for that. So I will not have stuff to mail out for a while. We will be trying to get more funds for production in the next few weeks. Mega thanks to all who have gotten on board with this effort.

reply from: faithman

The fair is going great. Several hundresds of cards have already gone out. We found a box we didn't know we had, so we have cards to mail out. If you would like a sample of one of the best all round pro-life tracts, Private Message me contact info.

reply from: 4given

I have faith in the ability to change hearts and minds by use of the I AM A PERSON cards! Truly. They are always on display here and on our vehicles.. and in my sons agendas for school. I spoke with a youth leader at the church about allowing a display on the truth about abortion to the youth group. I asked a friend to help with it, because she has their trust after many years spent with them. I have not received word back from the leader, but intend to compile facts and pictures- womb pictures and also the aborted photos. My sons are in Jr. warriors, and of course they wanted to enlighten the 7-12 yr. olds. The IAAP cards are perfect for that age as well. Anyway, I just wanted to update you on the bit that I have. I am hopeful that an informative display on the horrors of abortion, in conjunction w/ the womb images will impact the generation within my town. The cards are still used, and I know they are still working! Another note- my son approached me about halloween.. he asked for ideas on how to educate the neighborhood w/ the cards. Looks like what I considered to be "future activists" have already become pro-active.. Many thanks for the material that prompted a deep desire to save the future generations- both through my sons and now 5 active households alike! (my family and 2 of their friends homes)
I am actually really pleased about my 9 year olds idea as to how to deal w/ halloween.. I am hopeful it will be passed on. Thank you again.

reply from: faithman

Insted of having a haunted house, put up the horrors of abortion house. If the aborted pictures are in an inclosed area, then people have to "choose" to look at them, and they can't get mad about you putting them in the open and "forceing" them to look. Curiousity will get them, and they will most assuredly have to sneak a peak. We keep abortion picture literature in our fair booth, and show it to those [15 years old and up] who are interested. We ask now that you have seen the before abortion pictures, would you like to see the after. It always has a powerful impact.

reply from: DocQuack

Hi,
Just a quick note in follow-up to some discussion on the other thread regarding Live Fetal Extraction & Incubation. Here are some Pro-Life propaganda mock-ups capping off that discussion and which you could somehow blend in with the "I am a person campaign".
I would simply scribble in "I AM a person!" right below the "MY BABY needs ME!" image and slogan.
DQ

reply from: DocQuack

Whoops!
It's at:
URL http://excalibur.110mb.com/propaganda.htm

* The images are copyright, so you cannot use them without getting permission of the photographer and I think you can find better anyhow.
* You're all welcome to steal my idea there and do as you like with it. If anyone actually uses such propaganda tactics, I only ask to hear about it for my own personal satisfaction in knowing we saved some babies by it. And any data regarding damage assessment of enemy will to fight would be nice in re-adjusting course and tactics over time.

reply from: faithman

These tactics are nothing new, and not very effective on this issue. The born children in the pictures are already protected by law. I my experiance, the live photos of life in the womb, are by far the most effective all around, and are the perfect set up for abortion pictures. Have you seen our pictures? If not, click on the web address in my signature.

reply from: DocQuack

Hi Faith Man,
I like those pictures, too. I think they're very good. I can only speak for myself, though. The problem I see with photos of babies in the womb is that, depending upon stage of pregnancy, they often look more alien than human. I've heard young women refer to the fetus as just a "lump of goo"; Just a trivial "tadpole looking thing". Doesn't look any different to them from a chicken embryo in early stages. Once the infant starts to look more human is I think where we start to melt on hearts the best. No reason you can't combine in-womb and out-of-womb pics.
My offer for some MJ is still open, my bro! :-)

reply from: faithman

These images have been field trialed by yourd truly for over 6 years now. We do use the born ones as well, but the main issue is protecting womb children from killer skank moms. Nothing does it better than "I AM A PERSON" IMO.

reply from: DocQuack

Whatever works is good by me!

reply from: DocQuack

Say, Yoda. Faith Man. Anyone else.
What would you say is the nationwide status of Abortion Alternative literature and programs reaching the field-level of abortion clinic protesting?
There are plenty of sidewalk gatherings with I AM A Person signs, etc. Lots of Pro-Baby marketing we do. In your areas and what you've seen overall, are they also providing some means of pregnancy support in your locations?
So, you get a girl and she comes out weeping from the clinics, "Oh, I can't do it. Please help me!" What's your strategy and tactics from there? How are you guys helping to hook them up with pregnancy support, financial services, housing, social services, pastor counseling, adoption support, etc? You can jab at them, but that's the sucker punch and cementer to the deal right there which overcomes FEAR OF PREGNANCY.
In your experience and observations, how well are Pro-Lifers doing this? Thank you.

reply from: yoda

Yes, where I go to protest there's a active and well funded CPC directly across the street from the baby slaughterhouse. We try to direct abortion customers there.
One of our protesters tries to hand out brochures from them as people drive into the lot. A few take them. No one else gets close enough to hand out anything.

reply from: faithman

We have a care net in town, and they have actually forbidden us to use their material, or put their contact info on stuff to hand out at the clinic. The Catholics have a Gabriel project, and a very active presents at the clinic. On another note: we just shut down another fair last nite, and the "I AM A PERSON" was a major success. We handed out several thousand cards, and had many thank us for the positive, family friendly aproach. Please be in prayer for us, as we try to get our stuff into the schools again. Pray that the local OSA punk does not do something stupid again just to make a press conference, and squash the efforts of others. We have a local principal of a high school that is interested, but because of OSA crap was shut off by the district admin.

reply from: DocQuack

Always praying for anything and anyone engaged in saving babies. God bless you guys, Faith Man!

reply from: faithman

Look forward to some new happenings with the "I AM A PERSON" front. Thank you LDI for this forum. It has been a valuable resourse for net working. The techno help I have reasently gotten from another poster will be a major push on this project. I still have cards for the mailing if folk PM me a snail mail address. They are the silver bullet that hits the heart of this issue everytime.

reply from: DocQuack

Back on top where it belongs! :-)

reply from: DocQuack

Back to the numero uno slot it goes!

reply from: 4given

I am anxious to see what is next. I will pray that the IAAP project is taken to another level! What specifically is in the planning? Thank you again for the material. It would be, as you stated previously, a great way to get the message out if t-shirts were made. I know my sons suggested that some time ago. God Bless your efforts through this, and all that have been called into action by use of the material.

reply from: faithman

I am anxious to see what is next. I will pray that the IAAP project is taken to another level! What specifically is in the planning? Thank you again for the material. It would be, as you stated previously, a great way to get the message out if t-shirts were made. I know my sons suggested that some time ago. God Bless your efforts through this, and all that have been called into action by use of the material.
You can get iron on material at most print shops, and then make copies and iron on the image to a tee shirt. I think you have to mirror backward copy though. I have made t-shirts in the past, and can get my guy to do so again, if I get enough folk interested and finance a run.

reply from: DocQuack

back to the top where you belong!

reply from: DocQuack

Hoorah!! Down with pro-aborts!

reply from: faithman

The pro death scanc opened a leg..... made a baby who could not beg..... "Please mommy I'll be good.... protect my life like a good mom should" .... but the scum bucket girl said "you must die"... Till she saw I AM A PERSON and look the womb child in the eye.... Now the child draws blessed breath.... The little person spared abortion death.... If you care to cure this mess...I'll send I AM A PERSON pictures if you pivate message me an e-maill address

reply from: yoda

Keeping this current.......

reply from: faithman

Lookin' good Yoda! Love the poster.

reply from: whydeath

keeping this post at the top!!

reply from: faithman

THANKS!!!! Didn't you get cards? If yes, how are they working for ya? If you didn't get the e-mails, PM me an e-address, And they are yours.

reply from: whydeath

It is a yahoo addy is that ok?

reply from: faithman

GREAT!!!!! Happy to help.

reply from: faithman

Be in prayer for us as we take I AM A PERSON to the next level. We are talking to folk with deep pockets and hope to get a million card run made up . We have several groups across the land already in place. We could ship our cards to them at no charge. We are hoping to sell space on the back to the major groups so they can put their web address contact info. This would help in production cost, and get the groups contact info out in a massive way. This offensive would unite pro-life like never before behind a common message, and the field trials have already proven this material saves womb children from abortion death, and devastates the pro-aborts. I had a clinic security guard tell me that the IAAP scares them like nothing else they have seen. The admins at our local PP are terrified Of IAAP. They are scrambling to find an answere to it. WE have the silver bullet folks. If you want to kill the wier wolf of abortion, then join the winning team. PM me for the IAAP e-mails. I still have sample cards to mail as well. If the good Lord's willing, I will have a million of them to distribute soon. Oh can you hear the death howl of the borthead monsters? Take heart friends!!!!! This is the beginning of the end!!!!! We are gaining critical mass everyday, and I believe IAAP is the dozer to shove the maggot punk bortheads over the clift of historical infamy.

reply from: yoda

Here's a link to the IAAP photo in action, at our local abortion mill. In the photo is my good friend Bob, He's my mentor, and my hero on the protest line. He was arrested in '79 when they had a "Rescue" sit in here. He's in his 70's and in poor health, but if he can get out of bed at all, he drags himself down here...... and his wife come too! She's a retired pediatrician, and a steady prolifer.
http://www.abortionknoxville.com/102007stillstrong.html
Click on the photo in the middle of the top row.

reply from: faithman

Hopefully we are going to be able to tap into a group of venture capitalist who are very much Pro-life. They have seen the testimonies on this thred, and have gotten their hands ahold of a sample of the cards. This may turn into more than just the million card run. It could be t-shirts, ball caps, and big posters as well. All the pieces are there. As Cp, yoda, and others have pointed out, I am not the brightest bulb in the package. but I am dumb enough to believe that the least among us has enough truth in their little finger to slap planned parenthood down. I am dumb enough to believe that if we empower, and serve the individual, we will create an unstopable mass that will crush abortion on demand in a very short time. I am dumb enough to believe that the truth and beauty of life in the womb, when publicly presented, gives us a positive message, a positive image, and positivily will crush every enemy that would dare oppose us. I am dumb enough to believe that the day of the dominionalist personality cult is over in pro-life, and a new day has dawned where we celibrate the individual, and cherish them as the treasures each one of you are. I am dumb enough to believe that you are smarter than the secular humanist socialist phonies, who claim to be pro-life, but advocate programs that directly lead to abortion. And I am dumb eough to believe in a God who used a shepherd boy who was dumb enough to trust Him to kill a giant. And oh the divine joke of God using the dullest knife in the drawer to cut the bortheads to pieces. Take heart friends. God has given us the victory. All we have to do is inhabit it.

reply from: faithman

It may take a while to get the letters, and paper work to gether to aproach the deep pocketed ones, but we are working on it. My million card dream is still reachable. I still have cards to send out for those who want a sample. I also have the IAAP e-mails if you want to get busy with cyber activism. Our good friend Troy Newman, has shown interest in dolling up a truth truck with IAAP, and being a delivery system for the cards. The pieces are in place, we just need to get it all together. I can also get you bulk orders for your group. Starting at a 5000 card count. The more you buy the less they are a piece. A youth group car wash, or pan cake breakfast could purchase enough cards to make a major impact in your area. When I get my million, I intend to suply many of the major groups free of charge. I do not, nor have i ever, benefited monetarily from this effort. All money we recieve goes into production and mailing cost. That is why we are able to send these out at no charge to the activist on the front line. As with any war, it is hard to fight while raising funds, and producing literature. My passion is frontline activism. But because of a lack of quality, cost effective material, I had to pull off the line and work on that problem. Much research, developement, and field trials, have produced the IAAP card. We have used them at political conventions, life walks, festivals, fairs, parades, and schools; as well as produced cards in partnership with other groups. In every venue, and every age group, these beautiful little cards win hearts. The e-mails are auwsome as well. We have a proven winner folks. Now it is up to you. It is time to get active. It is time to reconect America's heart to the beauty, and the common humanity of womb life. It is when we find that conection as a people, we will restore personhood to the womb child, and stop this insanity. That is exactly what IAAP is designed to do, and it has been a success. No brag, just a fact.

reply from: DocQuack

..Back up top where it belongs!
FaithMan ....or should I say Faithboy! That's funny. Looks like you've been taking some heat in here. I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you.
Just wanted to say thank you for the cards. These are really great! They look so much better in person than on the web. I'll be handing them out at my parish. Have a knight commander K of C buddy I'll be sending a stack to him for his work. You can count on my assistance in spreading the message as much as possible. I look forward to conspiring with you guys on this 1 million card delivery program. And, I think we can do a lot more than that over time by some other methods. PM me on that.
Have you ever thought of linking up with those business cards Life Dynamics sells? They're pretty cheap. They have some samples. And for $3 to $5 you can get a small stack of 100. Maybe LI could help the I AM a Person cause set up for business cards like that. Make some available off LI. On the back, you can include sponsor logos and website bylines. LI might be the best avenue for giving supply to the potentially massive demand for them? Maybe have LI do the smaller cards while your existing printer does the bigger ones?
Just a thought. Whatever works best would be nice to see. I was just thinking that I would love to have 100 to 1000 of these I AM a Person images in business card size. In fact, I would gladly print my own business card information on the front and use them for calling cards, too.

reply from: DocQuack

.back up top where it belongs.

reply from: faithman

I just talked to my card guy. ASOLUTELY. He can make business cards with IAAP. I have him working on priceing. If we get enough interest, will make a run. 5000 is the smallest run we can make. As soon as I get a quote, I will post it here.

reply from: faithman

Just a reminder: The IAAP campaign is a grass roots movement. We have always encouraged the individual to take atvantage of our FREE OFFER. As with any effective action, the bortheads hate it, and will use every under handed tactic to undermine it. The devil is the father of lies, and his children have no problem useing the weapon of slander against effective actions such as IAAP. One of their most insideous tactics is the 5th collum. This is a military term which means to infiltrate, and subvert the cause of your enemy. Phony pro-lifers have made unfounded accusations against IAAP. There is absolutely no one who recieves a pay check from this, and all money goes directly into card and poster production. I have answere the slander leveled against me in the form of questions designed to cast doubt on this effort by subversives phonies, who continue to ask false questions which have already been answered, and rty to cast a shadow of doubt over this effort. Many of you know full well the power of these images, as you have been FREELY GIVEN samples, and e-mails to be an effective advocate for womb life. I stand ready to serve the pro-life community to the best of my ability. I have never taken a dime out of the cause period. And anyone who would imply differently is a bald face liar. WE still have cards free of charge to any pro-lifer who is doing the real work of pro-life in the field, not just comming to a forum and proclaiming their intellectual superiority over everyone, and making slanderous attacks against those doing work in real time.

reply from: DocQuack

[All rise]
Thank you. Please be seated.
The Court of Inquisition also must say on FaithMan and IAAP behalf that our agents were sent free cards by Faith Man. He spent personal or IAAP money on their production and postage. When offering to pay for at least postage (because The Court had not seen the cards yet) FaithMan refused that. The Court would still like to pay for postage and also the cost of those cards if FaithMan will accept. The Court is also happy to support the IAAP message because it is peaceful, non-violent, non-offensive to anyone sane, and highly effective propaganda warfare. The Court recommends the program to all friends proudly.

reply from: faithman

Just a reminder: The IAAP campaign is a grass roots movement. We have always encouraged the individual to take atvantage of our FREE OFFER. As with any effective action, the bortheads hate it, and will use every under handed tactic to undermine it. The devil is the father of lies, and his children have no problem useing the weapon of slander against effective actions such as IAAP. One of their most insideous tactics is the 5th collum. This is a military term which means to infiltrate, and subvert the cause of your enemy. Phony pro-lifers have made unfounded accusations against IAAP. There is absolutely no one who recieves a pay check from this, and all money goes directly into card and poster production. I have answere the slander leveled against me in the form of questions designed to cast doubt on this effort by subversives phonies, who continue to ask false questions which have already been answered, and rty to cast a shadow of doubt over this effort. Many of you know full well the power of these images, as you have been FREELY GIVEN samples, and e-mails to be an effective advocate for womb life. I stand ready to serve the pro-life community to the best of my ability. I have never taken a dime out of the cause period. And anyone who would imply differently is a bald face liar. WE still have cards free of charge to any pro-lifer who is doing the real work of pro-life in the field, not just comming to a forum and proclaiming their intellectual superiority over everyone, and making slanderous attacks against those doing work in real time.

reply from: yoda

I know that the IAAP image is well received, and has a positive impact. I also know that the image has nothing to do with any of the arguments we have here on this forum, and for anyone to suggest that the use of that picture of that baby is in some way "associated with violence" is sick, sick, sick. I take that as proof that the proaborts dread to see it's use spread.
There apparently are no limits to the deception and dishonorable tactics of the proabortion industry.

reply from: whydeath

I am very glad to see this POSITIVE post back up top.
Thank you FM for all that you do for the real PL community and for the unborn children.

reply from: faithman

I must continue to magnify the fact that IAAP is a grass roots effort. It is not dependant on any one personality. Life Issues Institute made the picture availiable, and a consensus of many came up with the wording, configuration, production, and distribution. It just blesses my soul every time we get a testimony of those who use it with such effectiveness. My flesh would love to take credit, but my spirit knows better. It is all of you who have taken atvantage of this powerful little card who have made it a success. It is all of you who will continue to win the cause of womb life. This is totally not dependant on the strengths, or short commings of any one person. This is totally about the womb child. Keep your eyes on the prize. Let us set our face like flint, let us empower the individual that we may be strong as a collective whole. Let us enter into friendly competision, and continue to seek the most effective ways to end the slaughter. I have yet to see anything that is more effective, or reaches such a broad spectrum of pro-lifers. I throw down the gauntlet, and challenge any body to bring it on. Show me anything, for the cost of production, simplisity of message, and so absolutly destroys the borthead cause, like IAAP. I truely hope that someone can, for it would bring this to a very quick conclusion. But I ain't seen it yet. And I really doubt that we will.

reply from: faithman

must continue to magnify the fact that IAAP is a grass roots effort. It is not dependant on any one personality. Life Issues Institute made the picture availiable, and a consensus of many came up with the wording, configuration, production, and distribution. It just blesses my soul every time we get a testimony of those who use it with such effectiveness. My flesh would love to take credit, but my spirit knows better. It is all of you who have taken atvantage of this powerful little card who have made it a success. It is all of you who will continue to win the cause of womb life. This is totally not dependant on the strengths, or short commings of any one person. This is totally about the womb child. Keep your eyes on the prize. Let us set our face like flint, let us empower the individual that we may be strong as a collective whole. Let us enter into friendly competision, and continue to seek the most effective ways to end the slaughter. I have yet to see anything that is more effective, or reaches such a broad spectrum of pro-lifers. I throw down the gauntlet, and challenge any body to bring it on. Show me anything, for the cost of production, simplisity of message, and so absolutly destroys the borthead cause, like IAAP. I truely hope that someone can, for it would bring this to a very quick conclusion. But I ain't seen it yet. And I really doubt that we will.

reply from: PGAJAMIE411

Hey life lovers,
Please go to Ronpaul2008.com right now and donate to Dr. Ron Paul for his bid for president of our nation. He has delivered over 4000 babies and knows that abortion is evil! We are trying to rasise $10,000,000.00 in one day! Follow your heart!
Peace,
Jamie

reply from: AshMarie88

Yay another Ron lover!!!
He's got my 10000000% full support.

reply from: 4given

Yes. His views on abortion for one, qualify him for consideration. Ron Paul in fact, considers a human from conception on, as A PERSON! Furthermore, I AM A PERSON, why would I vote any other way? VOTE PRO-LIFE! AMERICA- VOTE PRO-LIFE!!!!

reply from: Teresa18

I may remind everyone that Duncan Hunter is also a solid pro-life candidate. Not only does he support a Human Life Amendment, but his Life At Conception Act would end abortion with an act of Congress and a President's signature by recognizing a person is a person from conception onward and is therefore protected under the 5th and 14th Amendments of our Constitution. He also has a 100% pro-life rating.

reply from: 4given

Yes. Duncan Hunter without a doubt recognizes every living being as A PERSON. He is worth every bit of consideration and I have discussed with others the importance of voting for one with a solid history of standing up for righteousness sake- especially where abortion is concerned. He has done far more for the pro-life/unborn cause than many, if any other candidate. The Nation would be blessed to have his leadership. Let's see how the polls go, and hope and pray for the best. I sincerely hope we get a pro-lifer in. We have been praying!

reply from: Della22

Deffinately voting Ron Paul.
And I'm so bummed that I didn't have the chance to request those "I am a person" cards for October 23rd. (I loved that day! I had class and EVERYONE asked me about the duct tape. It was great. I handed out my own pamphlets, though. They weren't as god as the "I am a person." cards. )

reply from: faithman

Still have cards upon request. Will also send series of emails. Can make own literature by copy paste and print. Copy and paste for the link in my signature.

reply from: faithman

Just a reminder: The IAAP campaign is a grass roots movement. We have always encouraged the individual to take atvantage of our FREE OFFER. As with any effective action, the bortheads hate it, and will use every under handed tactic to undermine it. The devil is the father of lies, and his children have no problem useing the weapon of slander against effective actions such as IAAP. One of their most insideous tactics is the 5th collum. This is a military term which means to infiltrate, and subvert the cause of your enemy. Phony pro-lifers have made unfounded accusations against IAAP. There is absolutely no one who recieves a pay check from this, and all money goes directly into card and poster production. I have answere the slander leveled against me in the form of questions designed to cast doubt on this effort by subversives phonies, who continue to ask false questions which have already been answered, and rty to cast a shadow of doubt over this effort. Many of you know full well the power of these images, as you have been FREELY GIVEN samples, and e-mails to be an effective advocate for womb life. I stand ready to serve the pro-life community to the best of my ability. I have never taken a dime out of the cause period. And anyone who would imply differently is a bald face liar. WE still have cards free of charge to any pro-lifer who is doing the real work of pro-life in the field, not just comming to a forum and proclaiming their intellectual superiority over everyone, and making slanderous attacks against those doing work in real time.

reply from: whydeath

Thought this should be back on top!

reply from: faithman

Still have cards upon request. Will also send series of emails. Can make own literature by copy paste and print. Copy and paste from the link in my signature.

reply from: faithman

Still have cards upon request. Will also send series of emails. Can make own literature by copy paste and print. Copy and paste from the link in my signature.

reply from: 4given

What is the best way to weather proof the signs? Laminate won't protect from the effects of snow or rain. I thought I would update w/ the Christmas message- because Jesus was a fetus. Thanks again for the use of the cards!

reply from: faithman

We don't get much snow, but kinkos lamination holds up fine throw the thunderstorms . The only other thing I can think of, is some kind of clear heavy finish like epoxy, and laminate to board. Epoxy paints can be very toxic to handle though.

reply from: faithman

Just a reminder: The IAAP campaign is a grass roots movement. We have always encouraged the individual to take atvantage of our FREE OFFER. As with any effective action, the bortheads hate it, and will use every under handed tactic to undermine it. The devil is the father of lies, and his children have no problem useing the weapon of slander against effective actions such as IAAP. One of their most insideous tactics is the 5th collum. This is a military term which means to infiltrate, and subvert the cause of your enemy. Phony pro-lifers have made unfounded accusations against IAAP. There is absolutely no one who recieves a pay check from this, and all money goes directly into card and poster production. I have answere the slander leveled against me in the form of questions designed to cast doubt on this effort by subversives phonies, who continue to ask false questions which have already been answered, and rty to cast a shadow of doubt over this effort. Many of you know full well the power of these images, as you have been FREELY GIVEN samples, and e-mails to be an effective advocate for womb life. I stand ready to serve the pro-life community to the best of my ability. I have never taken a dime out of the cause period. And anyone who would imply differently is a bald face liar. WE still have cards free of charge to any pro-lifer who is doing the real work of pro-life in the field, not just comming to a forum and proclaiming their intellectual superiority over everyone, and making slanderous attacks against those doing work in real time.

reply from: pookiy1980

one of the most viewed posts!!

reply from: faithman

Look forward to some new happenings with the "I AM A PERSON" front. Thank you LDI for this forum. It has been a valuable resourse for net working. The techno help I have reasently gotten from another poster will be a major push on this project. I still have cards for the mailing if folk PM me a snail mail address. They are the silver bullet that hits the heart of this issue everytime.

reply from: 4given

Faithman, I am hopeful you will return! The forum needs you. I miss your presence here, and I pray all is going well w/ you and yours! Thanks again for all of the IAAP material and encouragment to do as we could in the community. I know we have made a differance. It never would have happened w/out the use of the I Am A Person cards and other material, ideas and support. Come back to us! And thank you!

reply from: faithman

Look forward to some new happenings with the "I AM A PERSON" front. Thank you LDI for this forum. It has been a valuable resourse for net working. The techno help I have reasently gotten from another poster will be a major push on this project. I still have cards for the mailing if folk PM me a snail mail address. They are the silver bullet that hits the heart of this issue everytime.

reply from: jujujellybean

that is sad you make fun of an innocent child that way! Poor thing!

reply from: faithman

I am making a fresh batch of cards. If folk need some, PM me a snail mail, and I will send you a sample. I am working on a "I AM A PERSON" tour. I have the box cargo van, large IAAP signs. Would like to make the whole length of I35. min to tex.

reply from: 4given

That is great that you are able to take the I AM A PERSON message even further! May God bless you with strength, perseverance and hope for the journey. Not just through the state of Texas, but also in the I AM A PERSON mission. May He uplift, encourage and protect you in Jesus Name, Amen. No doubt your dedication has changed minds and hearts. The IAAP cards have likely changed more people in my town than I may ever realize. They at least have made it easier for others to ask questions. Please update as things happen.

reply from: faithman

Start the new year off right. Get a free sample of IAAP cards. Click site in sig to view.

reply from: yoda

Thanks for the card, FMan. It looks nice!

reply from: Hereforareason

Hi,
Wanted to let you know that I received the pamphlets. Thanks!
We just had some friends over and the baby (14 months) and after she fed her baby doll popcorn, she turned to give some to the pamphlet. Even a baby knows.
Thanks a bunch.
Amber

reply from: faithman

What a cute story!!! Thanks for posting it. We have a fresh batch of cards, so if you need some, PM me contack info. We also have new posters on the truck. We will be going on tour when we get the gas money. Many thanks to all of you who have made the IAAP such a major success. The reports are soooo amazing. It just convences me the more, that IAAP is a major weapon in destroying abortion on demand.

reply from: faithman

It truely amazes me how quickly people are dooped by personality cults, or slick politicians who can do a fair job of stacking big words together. I do not exspect this election cycle to really change anything at all, except make abortion on demand further intrenched into our culture. But we can make a difference one person at a time. You can get the live baby pictures, and take them to your conventions, mail them to our "leaders", and get them into the hands of young people, and pray that God will raise up true leaders, instead of the money grubbing power mongers who pretend to be pro-life while filling their gluttonous bellies with precious resources given by the good intentioned for the purpose of stopping the slaughter. As witnessed on this thred, IAAP stops abortion cold with the truth. It is apropiate in every venue, and for every age group, even the very young. We have cards availiable, and we have made them free of charge to those who will use them. Please PM me contact info now, so you can have them for RvW day and such. The truth always dispells the darkness. Get some, and get busy.

reply from: 4given

Great material. Thanks for all the effort, resources and time to get the image across the country. My boy is still active in educating his peers. They all have the cards in their school agendas. Thanks again.

reply from: faithman

We were able to get cards [3000 or so] to the side walk counsilor contact person in Dallas, and she distributed them at their RvW walk. I also sent several thousand to Rock For Life, and they will be handing them out in the washington march. We will also be handing them out at the Texas rally in austin on the 26th. Alvida King [MLK's niece] will be the speaker, and I sent her a sample, and asked if maybe she could work an endorsement into her talk. The IAAM card was inspired by the garbage men of 1968 Memphis. This was the last struggle MLK was involved in before he was shot. The signs the men carried simple said "I AM A MAN". They weren't striking for more benifits or pay, but to simply be treated as human beings. This is the continuation of that struggle. All human beings should be afforded the right to live, and given the dignaty that one created in the image of God deserves. The beauty and truth of the IAAP card projects these realities like nothing I have ever used in over a decade of activism. We must educate, and equip the next generation about womb life. IAAP not only celebrates the beauty of womb life, but is one of the most powerful, and economic ways of getting valuable information to women in crisis. The testimonies of babies save are really stacking up. The most encouraging reports are the ones where even very young children are using them to educate class mates, and even lesbian pro-abort teachers are haveing a hard time opposing them. The story of the toddler feeding one of the cards pop corn has to be one of my favorites. As long as the Lord provides, I will send a free sample to those who provide me contact info. Please get these cards, and please exspose as many as you can to the image of pre-born womb life.

reply from: faithman

Well, it has been a while since I have been to the local mill. I have focased most of my time at the referal clinic, and producing, and distributing material. We also lack posters on our big box cargo van, so it has been setting for sometime with gas a $3 a gallon. But the resources came in, posters and cards have been made, and there was no more excuse for me not to go. The ole gang was glad to see me, but I still wasn't quiet ready for the grief I always feel at a death camp. I had almost forgotten the sad looks of the women going in, and the uterly devasitated looks of the women comming out. The truck was park where they could not miss the giant IAAP posters comming or going. It apears we may have had some drive offs thank God. But the one lady who came out slumped over in the passenger seat and was visably and uncontrollaby sobbing when she saw the poster, reminded me why I do this. We had several men driving women in, and they are the ones I focus my attention on. I tell them that real men raise their children, the don't have them killed. A few acted pretty angry and puffy at first, but when they saw that they were dealing with folk with no reverse, the walked away knowing we were right. One fella stood out there with us, said he was pro-life, tried to talk his girl out of it, but she was pregnant by another man, and didn't want any ties with him as he was abusive. [Another case of a child paying for his/her fathers action]. He said he was willing to raise the child as his own, but when it came down to it he had no say, she was determaned to kill the child. He said he didn't agree with what she was doing, but loved her, and was going to stand by her no matter what. You could tell he was almost in tears, he took some cards from me and said he wished he had them the night before, it might have made a difference. This stuff is exhausting. I am rung out emotionaly, and physically. But I was able to pass out cards to passer by's. I am even more convenced from today of the power of the cards, and am renewed in my comitment in getting them to those who would use them. Please never forget to pray for those who stand at the mills. Unless you have stood on the line, you can't posibly know the toll in takes on them. They are compelled to do that which they absolutly hate, but do it first: to try and save babies, and second to honor those who die even if mom doesn't. Please get these cards and show them to everyone you know. I would much rather prevent them from even thinking about it, before it comes down to that one last chance before the clinic door closes. We must reach them WWWWAAAAYYYYY before Planned Parenthood does. And pray that we can soon be delivered from the saddness this issue fosters. I think I need to go find someone to pray with, and sing praises To Him who comforts. I just never get use to the grief. In some ways, I hope I never do. Around a dozen little helpless persons have left us today, and there is nothing that can make me feel good about that.

reply from: galen

well cheer up FM... I did get a phone call today that the centre had a birth... a healthy boy.
So cheer up some and fight on.
Mary

reply from: faithman

Thanks. Now what color was that hair......

reply from: galen

green, soon to be green and black... when they stop putting pins in my ankle... have to get 2 tomarrow... they tried 1 today... not a plesant expeience.
Mary

reply from: faithman

And I thought I had a ruff day. Tell ya what, I pray for you, and you pray for me, then we wont have time to feel sorry for ourselves.

reply from: faithman

....a healthy boy ... and I thought I was beyond consoling....thanks.

reply from: galen

its a deal kiddo.... geee i never woulda thunk it... you and me praying for each other.
Want to come over and we'll dye YOUR hair a funky colour?
Mary

reply from: faithman

I got dibs on purple with shartroose pokadots.

reply from: galen

hah... polkadots... you and my husband with the dots... he's threatening to put them on my splint.
mary

reply from: galen

g'night all
Mary

reply from: faithman

I think I may like this guy. Sounds like there are two blessed ones in that house.

reply from: faithman

Well the Texas rally in Austin was a very big day For IAAP. Over 6 thousand cards went out. A lot of organizations were there and were very thankful to get them. Many church groups, and youth groups recieved the cards as well. I was so blessed by literally hundreds of people running up to us, and getting more cards, and telling us their testimonies of babies saved and hearts changed, from the cards they got last year. Contact info was exchanged, and as long as the Lord allows, and provides, I will be mailing cards out free of charge. Allen Keys was there, and he got some cards as well. My favs were the very small children who took cards, and ran throw the crowd to their parents shouting look mommy a baby. It was a much needed lift. Thanks to you all for the prayers, and participation. If you would like some cards, PM me your contact info.

reply from: yoda

Congratulations on a good deed well done, FMan.

reply from: faithman

Congratulations on a good deed well done, FMan.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for using the IAAP poster. Look for some more cards in the mail, and get them to your side walk counsiling buds. It is heros like you that keep me going.

reply from: faithman

Congratulations on a good deed well done, FMan.
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for using the IAAP poster. Look for some more cards in the mail, and get them to your side walk counsiling buds. It is heros like you that keep me going.

reply from: faithman

If you got IAAP, feel free to photo copy replacements. I think 4 will fit to a piece of paper, and you can cut them out. Most print shops can enlarge for posters. If you have copy right probs, PM me there contact info, and I will clear it up for you. I still have cards, and right now would be a good time to order them free as I am going thru my next money cycle and have money for postage.

reply from: faithman

still have cards for those who would like some.

reply from: faithman

I was walking out the front door the other day, and noticed 2 teen men, and 2 teen young ladies, walking down the road. Thanking the Lord for the oportunity, I went out to them and offered them cards. They saw the picture and were in auw of the beauty of womb life. I watched them to see if they were going to throw the cards down. They didn't, and then turned them over and started reading the scripture on the back. One of the fellas looked at the other and said "you need to read this, you really need it". To which the other fella said," Who do you think you are talking to, you need it more than me!" These cards make it simple to do real pro-life work, in real time. Be more than glad to suply them to who every wants to join the fun.

reply from: AV2BH

cant find image http//iamaperson.info doesnt work

reply from: 4given

Click on the link in the signature. It is a child 7 weeks from conception. We have used the materials, as they are appropriate for every age in every situation. Also check it out in poster form :
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg

reply from: 4given

We have plans for step 2 of the I AM A PERSON PROJECT. The boys are excited about this as well. Thanks for the materials. They have been put to good use. I have the poster and about 5 saved to copy. (8 w/ my son's cards) I will update as things happen. We are currently organizing and gathering a group of energized people to join us. There are great things coming! Thank you again.

reply from: faithman

Dear friends of IAAP. We are getting bumper stickers made up. They will be the same size as the cards. They will be super duper vinyl, with uv restistance, and should be good for at least 5 years. Due to cost involved, I can not offer them to you free. But a $5 donation will cover production cost, as well as postage. You can get bulk orders as well, and I will put you in touch with the manufacturer directly, which will greatly reduce cost per piece. Send me a private message if you are interested. We still have samples of the cards for free to those who request them. They are simply one of the best pro-life tracks anywhere to be found.

reply from: faithman

CALLING ALL PRAYER WARRIORS, We have a local Afro- american pastor, and a local High school coach interested in getting our materials into the schools. They have contacted me, and want me to help them impact the school system. We have a chapter of christian student athletes, which the coach sponcers. This could turn into a templet that could be used in every school in the nation. Please be in prayer for the pro-life students. If things are student started, then they have the constitutional right to get our material into the school . If you have a chapter of CSA in your school, please get contact info, and we will give them the info that we will be using here. Planned Parenthood has had open access to the schools far to long. The IAAP material clobbers their lies, and is very family freindly. If you have students, go to the ACLJ web site, learn their rights, then contact me for cards. We need to reach kids before they show up at the abortion clinics. This is an answere to prayer. Please pray for success, and that this will start a flood that will sweep the nations young people.

reply from: Tom

I hope this will not be OT, since it concerns the personal status of a human being in early stages of development. When Bernard Nathanson was in Poland, he said that he 'rejects the term 'person'', since this term 'is very dangerous'. Why? Because 'it involves possible exclusions'. I construe it as a rejoinder to Singer's and others' (anti)ethicist (ab?)using this noble term as a weapon against babies (and not only) - that is, a person is, according to them, a being currently self-conscious (plus some other conditions perhaps).
When I was hearing him I found Nathanson's proposal plausible, yet now I think this is quite inconvenient. First (especially for Christians), the term 'person' is well-rooted in theology (mention at least documents of the first Councils) [for Catholics, there is also such problem as: if so, what to do with, e.g., such texts as "The acting person" by Karol Wojtyla, Pope John Paul II, sometimes called 'the bible of personalism']. Secondly, may be it is sufficient to notice that 'person' can be defined otherwise.
[To tell the truth this is related to some topics started, as I noticed at this forum, by some proabortionists, yet I am not sure whether it is a good idea to refresh them - they were possibly started just to cover the others, more worthy of reading]
PS This book is the Polish translation of His talk:
http://dextra24.com/sklep/popup_image.php?pID=831

(I don't approve all of this bookstore's offer, but let it pass)

reply from: yoda

Yes, the term "person" is the favorite tool of the proaborts to try to dehumanize unborn humans, and exclude them from our race (yes, they actually try to do that).
Their only documentation is always the same, the legal definition of the word which sprang from Roe, and is useful only in the very narrow area of legalisms and constitutional law.
The word itself is very much older (by centuries) and very much more commonly used (probably a thousand to one, at least) in the vernacular sense. So unless one is speaking legalese, the common usage, a.k.a. vernacular, is accurate and appropriate. Here are some typical examples of how the term is defined in the vernacular, with respect to the context of this debate:
per·son (plural peo·ple per·sons (formal)) noun 1. human being: an individual human being 2. human's body: a human being's body, often including the clothing
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861725217/person.html

per.son Pronunciation: (pûr'sun),-n. 2. a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing. 6. the body of a living human being, sometimes including the clothes being worn: He had no money on his person. http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0584644.html

Main Entry: per·son 1 : HUMAN: 4 a archaic : bodily appearance b : the body of a human being; http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=person&x=16&y=16

Person: Pronunciation puhr sEn Definition 1. a human being. Definition 2. the body of a human being. Example the clothes on his person. http://www.wordsmyth.net/live/home.php?script=search&matchent=person&matchtype=exact

Definition person noun [C] plural people or FORMAL OR LAW persons
1 a man, woman or child:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=59039&dict=CALD

reply from: faithman

Went out the other day with a church group to evangelize a nieborhood. The pastor has really gotten behind the cards, and we have used them with great effect. We were talking to a family in their front yard, when a group of boys rode up on their bicycles. They saw the cards and asked if they could have some. I gave them some, and one little fella asked if he could have some for his friends. So I gave him a pretty good hand full. We were prayer for several of the family members, so we were still in the yard when the little guy came back and wanted more cards. So I gave him some more. We finished praying, and just before we all got back into the van, here comes that young man again wanting more cards. So I gave him some more. One of the team members asked me if it was a good idea to be giving so many to a kid. His question was answered as we drove thru the nieborhood , and saw all the people on front porches, on street corners, and kids sitting on bicycles, looking at the I AM A PERSON card. We went to a dollar store to buy a big print Bible for one of the ladies we had prayed for, and requested one because her eyes were getting weak. As sonn as we pulled in the lot, here comes that kid again out of the store. He had run out of cards, and the guy who questioned me giving so many to a kid, handed him a healthy hand load. It was a very good day indeed. If a kid can do it, why can't we? All you have to do is send me a snail mail address in a private message, and I will send you a sample. If you have already gotten cards, and would like more, just let me know.

reply from: sander

Fatihman,
What an inspiring day, thanks for sharing.
Check your pm.

reply from: faithman

Got cha covered. Cards are on the way. Thank you for getting involved.

reply from: 4given

I can testify to the work a child can do with the I AM A PERSON cards! My sons put them on nearly everything. We donated books and magazines to the school and dentist office, each with a card glued inside. They have been throughout the town and I still will occasionally see one posted that has been moved and returned or placed by a stranger. My sons took the IAAP project seriously and were put to good use. (As you know idle hands..) They have been a blessing to us and likely more people than we could realize.

reply from: faithman

The bunper stickers are in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They look good!!!!!!!!!!!!! For a 5$ donation I will send ya one. You could save a child parked at wall mart and never know it. What don't you "mercy birds" drop your grudge bearing for a moment, and do something for the womb child beside post illogical crap on a forum? But thats just me......

reply from: faithman

This thred is getting a little light on IAAP reports. Come on guys, how is it going out there? I wanna hear your stories.

reply from: sander

Just got the cards, Faithman...thank you.

reply from: yoda

Just got the bumper stickers & the cards, thanks!

reply from: faithman

Hey Faramir. did you get the cards?

reply from: 4given

Thank you again. I am hopeful for the next course of events that involve the I AM A PERSON PROJECT! I will update. Thank you. I pray for the lukewarm to stir up an interest and decide to take action. The materials are a blessing. We appreciate that! Many things are happening- pray for us!
http://bound4life.com/themercyseat/

reply from: faithman

Heres a thought!!! Use the bush stimulous check to order IAAP cards. I will pm you the contact info of our card guy. I make no money off of these cards or their production. You go straight to the producer to cut cost. For about $800 you can buy 10,000. But prices change as gas goes up. We buy them at 20,000 for $1400. If you would like to go into partnership, or chip in the bucket, we can do that too. I would like to make another 20,000 run for the dem convention in denver in august. Alot of groups will be there, and would be a great venue to distribute cards to Pl'ers from all over the country. If you have gotten cards, you already know how powerful they are. If you would like to see them, click on the link above, and see the beautiful yoda model an IAAP poster. That is basicly what the cards look like [hill billy is extra, but don't eat much last I heard]

reply from: yoda

Judy Brown at the American Life League has already beat you to it.... she sent out a letter the other day urging everyone to contribute their "bonus" to her organization so she can fight PP.

reply from: faithman

Well you can give to luxury suites and pay checks, or put your doe directly into producing life saving material.

reply from: faithman

I am trying to make plans now to go to the dem convention in dever in august. I am asking all IAAP folk to try and make it. I would also ask that you reproduce, or chip in the bucket, to help get more materials for that event. It cost arond $1400 to make a 20,000 card run. Hopefully my stimulous check will get me over the top to do that. If you would like to help with this project, pm me and let me know. We need to start looking now for a place to land in Denver. PM me any info you may have on that subject. I have some big posters, but more would be better. It cost me around $80 to get posters made. If you would like one, or know of someone who can make them less expensive, PM me. Lets saturate denver with the IAAP. The great thing about these images, is that the news will play them, while they very rarely put aborted pictures on. With the world media present, it just makes sence to use imagery that will make it on national news.

reply from: sander

All the best, Faithman!!
Go get 'em!

reply from: faithman

I have found a church in Denver with in walking distance of the Dem Convention. We are working out plans to camp out there, as well as put together payer meetings, singings and such. If you or your group would like contact info, PM me a message and I will give you contact info.

reply from: faithman

plans are comming together for Denver.

reply from: faithman

plans are comming together for Denver.

reply from: faithman

plans are comming together for Denver.

reply from: nancyu

http://www.humanlifeamendment.info/#reagan

Proclamation 5761
National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 1988

PERSONHOOD PROCLAMATION

January 14, 1988

By the President of the United States of America

A Proclamation

America has given a great gift to the world, a gift that drew upon the accumulated wisdom derived from centuries of experiments in self-government, a gift that has irrevocably changed humanity's future. Our gift is twofold: the declaration, as a cardinal principle of all just law, of the God-given, unalienable rights possessed by every human being; and the example of our determination to secure those rights and to defend them against every challenge through the generations. Our declaration and defense of our rights have made us and kept us free and have sent a tide of hope and inspiration around the globe.

One of those unalienable rights, as the Declaration of Independence affirms so eloquently, is the right to life. In the 15 years since the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, however, America's unborn have been denied their right to life. Among the tragic and unspeakable results in the past decade and a half have been the loss of life of 22 million infants before birth; the pressure and anguish of countless women and girls who are driven to abortion; and a cheapening of our respect for the human person and the sanctity of human life.

We are told that we may not interfere with abortion. We are told that we may not "impose our morality'' on those who wish to allow or participate in the taking of the life of infants before birth; yet no one calls it "imposing morality" to prohibit the taking of life after people are born. We are told as well that there exists a "right" to end the lives of unborn children; yet no one can explain how such a right can exist in stark contradiction of each person's fundamental right to life.

That right to life belongs equally to babies in the womb, babies born handicapped, and the elderly or infirm. That we have killed the unborn for 15 years does not nullify this right, nor could any number of killings ever do so. The unalienable right to life is found not only in the Declaration of Independence but also in the Constitution that every President is sworn to preserve, protect, and defend. Both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.

All medical and scientific evidence increasingly affirms that children before birth share all the basic attributes of human personality -- that they in fact are persons. Modern medicine treats unborn children as patients. Yet, as the Supreme Court itself has noted, the decision in Roe v. Wade rested upon an earlier state of medical technology. The law of the land in 1988 should recognize all of the medical evidence.

Our nation cannot continue down the path of abortion, so radically at odds with our history, our heritage, and our concepts of justice. This sacred legacy, and the well-being and the future of our country, demand that protection of the innocents must be guaranteed and that the personhood of the unborn be declared and defended throughout our land. In legislation introduced at my request in the First Session of the 100th Congress, I have asked the Legislative branch to declare the "humanity of the unborn child and the compelling interest of the several states to protect the life of each person before birth." This duty to declare on so fundamental a matter falls to the Executive as well. By this Proclamation I hereby do so.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare the unalienable personhood of every American, from the moment of conception until natural death, and I do proclaim, ordain, and declare that I will take care that the Constitution and laws of the United States are faithfully executed for the protection of America's unborn children. Upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God. I also proclaim Sunday, January 17, 1988, as National Sanctity of Human Life Day. I call upon the citizens of this blessed land to gather on that day in their homes and places of worship to give thanks for the gift of life they enjoy and to reaffirm their commitment to the dignity of every human being and the sanctity of every human life.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fourteenth day of January, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-eight, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twelfth.

Ronald Reagan

reply from: nancyu

http://www.humanlifeamendment.info/#reagan

Proclamation 5761
National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 1988

PERSONHOOD PROCLAMATION

January 14, 1988

By the President of the United States of America

A Proclamation

America has given a great gift to the world, a gift that drew upon the accumulated wisdom derived from centuries of experiments in self-government, a gift that has irrevocably changed humanity's future. Our gift is twofold: the declaration, as a cardinal principle of all just law, of the God-given, unalienable rights possessed by every human being; and the example of our determination to secure those rights and to defend them against every challenge through the generations. Our declaration and defense of our rights have made us and kept us free and have sent a tide of hope and inspiration around the globe.

One of those unalienable rights, as the Declaration of Independence affirms so eloquently, is the right to life. In the 15 years since the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, however, America's unborn have been denied their right to life. Among the tragic and unspeakable results in the past decade and a half have been the loss of life of 22 million infants before birth; the pressure and anguish of countless women and girls who are driven to abortion; and a cheapening of our respect for the human person and the sanctity of human life.

We are told that we may not interfere with abortion. We are told that we may not "impose our morality'' on those who wish to allow or participate in the taking of the life of infants before birth; yet no one calls it "imposing morality" to prohibit the taking of life after people are born. We are told as well that there exists a "right" to end the lives of unborn children; yet no one can explain how such a right can exist in stark contradiction of each person's fundamental right to life.

That right to life belongs equally to babies in the womb, babies born handicapped, and the elderly or infirm. That we have killed the unborn for 15 years does not nullify this right, nor could any number of killings ever do so. The unalienable right to life is found not only in the Declaration of Independence but also in the Constitution that every President is sworn to preserve, protect, and defend. Both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.

All medical and scientific evidence increasingly affirms that children before birth share all the basic attributes of human personality -- that they in fact are persons. Modern medicine treats unborn children as patients. Yet, as the Supreme Court itself has noted, the decision in Roe v. Wade rested upon an earlier state of medical technology. The law of the land in 1988 should recognize all of the medical evidence.

Our nation cannot continue down the path of abortion, so radically at odds with our history, our heritage, and our concepts of justice. This sacred legacy, and the well-being and the future of our country, demand that protection of the innocents must be guaranteed and that the personhood of the unborn be declared and defended throughout our land. In legislation introduced at my request in the First Session of the 100th Congress, I have asked the Legislative branch to declare the "humanity of the unborn child and the compelling interest of the several states to protect the life of each person before birth." This duty to declare on so fundamental a matter falls to the Executive as well. By this Proclamation I hereby do so.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare the unalienable personhood of every American, from the moment of conception until natural death, and I do proclaim, ordain, and declare that I will take care that the Constitution and laws of the United States are faithfully executed for the protection of America's unborn children. Upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God. I also proclaim Sunday, January 17, 1988, as National Sanctity of Human Life Day. I call upon the citizens of this blessed land to gather on that day in their homes and places of worship to give thanks for the gift of life they enjoy and to reaffirm their commitment to the dignity of every human being and the sanctity of every human life.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fourteenth day of January, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-eight, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twelfth.

Ronald Reagan

reply from: nancyu

http://www.humanlifeamendment.info/#reagan

Proclamation 5761
National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 1988

PERSONHOOD PROCLAMATION

January 14, 1988

By the President of the United States of America

A Proclamation

America has given a great gift to the world, a gift that drew upon the accumulated wisdom derived from centuries of experiments in self-government, a gift that has irrevocably changed humanity's future. Our gift is twofold: the declaration, as a cardinal principle of all just law, of the God-given, unalienable rights possessed by every human being; and the example of our determination to secure those rights and to defend them against every challenge through the generations. Our declaration and defense of our rights have made us and kept us free and have sent a tide of hope and inspiration around the globe.

One of those unalienable rights, as the Declaration of Independence affirms so eloquently, is the right to life. In the 15 years since the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, however, America's unborn have been denied their right to life. Among the tragic and unspeakable results in the past decade and a half have been the loss of life of 22 million infants before birth; the pressure and anguish of countless women and girls who are driven to abortion; and a cheapening of our respect for the human person and the sanctity of human life.

We are told that we may not interfere with abortion. We are told that we may not "impose our morality'' on those who wish to allow or participate in the taking of the life of infants before birth; yet no one calls it "imposing morality" to prohibit the taking of life after people are born. We are told as well that there exists a "right" to end the lives of unborn children; yet no one can explain how such a right can exist in stark contradiction of each person's fundamental right to life.

That right to life belongs equally to babies in the womb, babies born handicapped, and the elderly or infirm. That we have killed the unborn for 15 years does not nullify this right, nor could any number of killings ever do so. The unalienable right to life is found not only in the Declaration of Independence but also in the Constitution that every President is sworn to preserve, protect, and defend. Both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.

All medical and scientific evidence increasingly affirms that children before birth share all the basic attributes of human personality -- that they in fact are persons. Modern medicine treats unborn children as patients. Yet, as the Supreme Court itself has noted, the decision in Roe v. Wade rested upon an earlier state of medical technology. The law of the land in 1988 should recognize all of the medical evidence.

Our nation cannot continue down the path of abortion, so radically at odds with our history, our heritage, and our concepts of justice. This sacred legacy, and the well-being and the future of our country, demand that protection of the innocents must be guaranteed and that the personhood of the unborn be declared and defended throughout our land. In legislation introduced at my request in the First Session of the 100th Congress, I have asked the Legislative branch to declare the "humanity of the unborn child and the compelling interest of the several states to protect the life of each person before birth." This duty to declare on so fundamental a matter falls to the Executive as well. By this Proclamation I hereby do so.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare the unalienable personhood of every American, from the moment of conception until natural death, and I do proclaim, ordain, and declare that I will take care that the Constitution and laws of the United States are faithfully executed for the protection of America's unborn children. Upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God. I also proclaim Sunday, January 17, 1988, as National Sanctity of Human Life Day. I call upon the citizens of this blessed land to gather on that day in their homes and places of worship to give thanks for the gift of life they enjoy and to reaffirm their commitment to the dignity of every human being and the sanctity of every human life.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fourteenth day of January, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-eight, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twelfth.

Ronald Reagan

reply from: yoda

Hey FMan, I wonder why the dimocrats don't hold their convention in Wichita?
That way they could have Killer Tiller come over and show them his films of his abortions to get them all worked up...... they'd all give him a standing ovation, I'm sure......

reply from: faithman

interesting thought!! By the by, I have cards and will send a free sample if folks give me a snail mail address in a PM. We also have IAAP bumper sickers. Wish I could give them out free, but they cost too much to produce. Contact me by PM, and I will tell you how to get one. We also have produced an 11 by 17 poster. Will also tell you how to get one if you PM me. Every Pro-personhood activist should have these materials. Click the link in my sig to view the 7 week image on these materials. Very powerful images that are field tested effective. With all the summer events just ahead, a must have in any activist's arsenal.

reply from: teddybearhamster

hey fman, i just wanted to respond to this post and say that those pictures i saw from a link of yours on another post were definetly people and i can see that now. i've never seen anything like that and when i did i was like omg! they look like lizzie. thank you for that link.

reply from: faithman

Thank you for being open to the truth. Most bortheads are not. But the truth always wins. That is all we are asking. If you are going to kill them, at least look them in the eye.

reply from: teddybearhamster

also, i'm wondering.... those babies looked big enough to live outside the womb and quite a few were not torn up but whole. are some of them braught out of the womb alive? if so what do they do to them? maybe these are morbid questions but as big as some of them were they could have lived outside the womb. i am sitting here with a copy of what to expect when you're expecting so i know some of them could live if born at that time.

reply from: faithman

You are exactly right. Some are born alive. They put them in a closet and let them die.

reply from: teddybearhamster

a closet! yeah i agree something needs to be done about that. those were certainly not blobs of tissue.

reply from: faithman

a closet! yeah i agree something needs to be done about that. those were certainly not blobs of tissue.
Many things can be done, but they are a waist of time if you are not establishing personhood for the womb child. That is the most important work in this fight.

reply from: teddybearhamster

how can this be done? there's protests but what about something along the lines of sending some of those pictures to some politicians? i read an article in marie claire once that is how the govenor of sd changed his mind. he had been pro choice and then one day some pro life people had an opportunity to speak with him. i'm not sure what the laws in sd on abortion are but i know they're pretty strict.

reply from: faithman

You are exacly right. I am incouraging everyone to get the pictures and mail/email them to everyone you can. You can copy and paste the ones on the AOG web site [the aborted pictures]. You can kinda do the same with the ones in my sig, but you are suppose to buy the CD which gives you copy right permission. I can do it because I have a CD. But let your conscience be your guide. I am going to send you some IAAP material. You can take a card and copy it to paper, and use the rest of the paper for a message. There are alot of real simple things we can do that goes a very long way.

reply from: teddybearhamster

it did some good for SD. i was just on the naral website looking at their laws and they have a lot more than most states.

reply from: faithman

Keep studying, you are learning fast. Remember to be your own person. You don't have to be a part of a "group" to be pro-personhood. Just do what you are led to do

reply from: teddybearhamster

yeah i am kind of a loner. not much for groups. i think there's a lot of pro choice politicians in my state so i think i'll send them some pictures. i've been called 'cold' before and those pictures worked for me.

reply from: faithman

Thats the spirit!!! You just never know what a little act like that will do. If you have a printer, you can use the pictures on the Army Of God website. They have given permission for everyone to use them.

reply from: teddybearhamster

ok thanks. i have a very nice printer. it should capture all the atrocious details. if a person could really look at those pictures without thinking of their own then that person must lack a conscious.

reply from: faithman

Send one to every congress man and senator if you can.

reply from: teddybearhamster

http://www.parentprofiles.com/state/Pennsylvania/PA.html
here's a link and a thought. print out some of these profiles for the next time you protest at a clinic. hand them out and tell the women their babies are wanted. might work. it can't hurt.

reply from: sander

Fabulous idea, Teddybear!

reply from: teddybearhamster

thanks. i figure if they see the faces of these couples it might change their mind. i'm sure someone told them about adoption so if they could associate the faces of these couples with the word it could help sway them that way.

reply from: sander

I think you're right!
Seeing the faces of people who would love and care for their child may make just the difference needed.

reply from: 4given

So blessed to have the material. Even more so with creative ideas on how to get the message out/use it. Looking for more ideas . We have put them in donated magazines and books, (we donate them to businesses- the Dentist and local library) on the grocery cart inserts, the bulletin boards at the supermarket, laundy mat.. a pizzeria and also mechanic. Ideas?
Thanks again for the cards and the inspiration to act!

reply from: faithman

The best thing for all peaceful pro-lifers to do is contact the police. Comunity relations officer is the best place to start. You want a good working relationship with the PD. I try to let the local PD know what I am doing, and where I will be. That way when the proaborts call in on you the police already know you are there.Some cities have anti-solicitation laws. The way around these, is to not hand them out. Instead, get a high stool, find an high foot trafic area, and simply hold the card up. I guarintee that folk will come and take them from you. If you go to your local police station, they will also suply you with the oath of office that every policeman has to take and sign. It is a good reminder on the street to show the officer what they swore to uphold. Get a copy of the constitution, and carry it with you at all times when engaged in activism. Some cities require you to register with them to go door to door. Never put things in mail boxes, it is a federal offence. Mail the images to local authorities. Police chiefs, mayors and such. That way they are familiar with what you are up to. Know your rights. The american center for law and jutice [ACLJ] has great info. TRy to get a local pro-life attorney. Sometimes all you need is a letter from a law firm to get politicals to treat you different. Don't get discouraged. The first reaction you always get from government is the ole brush off. Perserver. When you go to vist your local officials, be ready to wait them out. A common tacic is for secretaries to say folk ain't in. I had this happen once, and I said that is OK I will wait. I kept them in their office for most of the day as I waited on them and they really were there!!!. Have to admit I got a chuckle out of that one. Be a suplier. Find "missionaries" at different venues. Prime targets are students. High school thru college are fair game. middle school is a little iffy. Elementery is defenatly parent territory. Pictures on a legally parked car by passes all kinda laws. Pictuers on clothing does the same. Most malls and parking lots are private property and off limits.But the pictures on the car can witness to many at wall mart while your getting stuff for your pro-life garden party. A poster on your front door is exposed to more eyes than you think. Sticky backed magnets, lets you put these on the ice box, and inside locker doors at school. Glue them to note books. Spray adhesive makes a quick stick . The kinda iffy tactics...... Put cards in chothes pockets and tupper ware at the store. Magazine stands, doctors offices, any kind of waiting room are good drop zones. With the spray adhesive, we have had some ladies put pictures on the backs of stall doors in public rest rooms. You can also do the same on the glass part of doors [does not mess up paint, and can be cleaned with WD40]. Churches, and pro-death businesses make most exsilent targets. Make an E-mail list of as many of the local media that you can. Send them regular pictures of the womb child. Many Tv reporters put an e-mail on the air. Most news paper reporters also put their email addresses in their stories. All those "MAIL FREE IF IN THE US" cards make good places for sprayed on pictures and dropped in the mail. Spray glue a picture on the out side of all your out going mail. Every politician should be getting e-mail/snail mail pictures. Every email list should have an I AM A PERSON email sent out to it. Every pastor in town should have a picture emailed/ snail mailed to them. Pro-life computer geeks can get on line, and type church e-mail list in a search engine to fined thousands of addresses to send the I AM A PERSON email. Educators are another very good target. Just be aware, informed, and ready to pounce on oportunity. Get armed and get busy!!!

reply from: faithman

Even killer carole agrees that my cards are the best. NNnnnnnnnnnow there's your "unity". It is not about anything else but the womb child. When we keep our eyes on that, and we spend our time defending them, we win. That is all I have ever done here, and if you don't like it tuff.

reply from: faithman

Even killer carole agrees that my cards are the best. NNnnnnnnnnnow there's your "unity". It is not about anything else but the womb child. When we keep our eyes on that, and we spend our time defending them, we win. That is all I have ever done here, and if you don't like it tuff.

reply from: nancyu

Even killer carole agrees that my cards are the best. NNnnnnnnnnnow there's your "unity". It is not about anything else but the womb child. When we keep our eyes on that, and we spend our time defending them, we win. That is all I have ever done here, and if you don't like it tuff.

reply from: sander

Don't tell me, you've been a lurker for a looooong time and know all the ins and outs of what is going on, right? *rolling eyes*

reply from: sander

Care to answer the question? Duck much?

reply from: sander

Right. Can't answer. *check*

reply from: faithman

Even killer carole agrees that my cards are the best. NNnnnnnnnnnow there's your "unity". It is not about anything else but the womb child. When we keep our eyes on that, and we spend our time defending them, we win. That is all I have ever done here, and if you don't like it tuff.

reply from: teddybearhamster

i just wanted to say thank you to fman for the packet of information and the iaap cards he sent me. it all looks like really good stuff and i'm going to start handing it out this weekend.

reply from: faithman

Thanks TBH! You are a true inspiration to us all!!! Go get um girl!!!!

reply from: sander

Bless your heart! Faithman is right, you ARE an inspiration to us all.

reply from: teddybearhamster

thank you. i thought the iaap cards were so cute too. the little baby is just sitting there and i think it almost looks like he/she is smiling.

reply from: faithman

I am sure they are smiling that they have such a brave champion in their corner!!!

reply from: yoda

Hey, you're letting your fav thread slip, ole boy.......

reply from: faithman

I keep hoping some will take up the slack!!! thanks!!! Gotten any responce to the bumper sticker yet?

reply from: yoda

Haven't driven the truck around enough yet. I'll keep you posted.

reply from: faithman

I have 11 by 17 inch I AM A PERSON posters. I can give you the poster for free, but right now I need help with postage. If you would like these life saving posters, PM me for details. We still have cards, and we still have bumper stickers as well. Again , PM me for details. Also, I have suffered a cyber attack, and all the images I had in email form were lost. If you got the IAAP emails from me, It would be a big help in my service to the womb child, if you could send those to me so I can make a new folder. If you have a new story about IAAP, please don't forget to post it here. It is such an encouragement to the rest of us to hear about your efforts.

reply from: sander

Faithman,
Thank you for sending me the IIAP poster...it's awesome!
I'm displaying it in my front window.
No one will doubt, who comes to my door where this family stands!

reply from: faithman

bet it made an impression to the mailman too!!

reply from: sander

bet it made an impression to the mailman too!!
All of the postal dept. between here and where you are!
My husband was impressed too.
I'm surprised it got here unscathed. It's in perfect condition.
God must have been looking out for it!

reply from: faithman

bet it made an impression to the mailman too!!
All of the postal dept. between here and where you are!
My husband was impressed too.
I'm surprised it got here unscathed. It's in perfect condition.
God must have been looking out for it!
He usually does!!! Yours was the maiden voyage of the tactic of glueing an 11 by 17 poster to a piece of card board and mailing out. I am glad to see it made it thru the mail. I am going to try and do the same to others. I think Hilary might like one? Only cost around $4 for postage and poster production. What do you think?

reply from: faithman

Yes !!! This is a true pro-life tactic, and not the killer carole/ faramir crap of defending the baby killers. Still haven't heard a report back from faramir about the card I sent him at my own expence. I guess he never intends to use them.

reply from: yoda

Hey FMan, you're sleeping on the job again!

reply from: 4given

So thankful for the material and the ideas on how to make the most of it. Many events are in the near future. I will update w/ info as it happens. Thank you again.

reply from: nancyu

bet it made an impression to the mailman too!!
Hey, it could have been a (fe)mail (wo)man. (like me) Don't be sexist!

reply from: nancyu

Sexism will not be tolerated!
(Except, you can abort your child if it isn't the right sex, can't you.)
Doesn't make sense does it.

reply from: yoda

Hey, look what I found on page two!

reply from: nancyu

Will Congress Pass a Personhood Bill?
by Jim Sedlak
Posted: 01/05/2007

It is a very simple concept. It is logical. With everything we now know, given the advances in technology, it is the only position that makes sense:
The terms 'human person' and 'human being' include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including, but not limited to, the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.
In today's world of 3-D ultrasound and operations in utero, it is clear to even the most casual observer that a human person exists from his or her point of creation. Parents today happily display pictures of their children from the early months of pregnancy and everyone can see their beautiful faces and other features.
Yet there are those who still insist that it is okay to kill these innocent children just because somebody doesn't want them. It is a horrible fact that the youngest of our children are not protected by law.
In the last Congress, 100 members of the House of Representatives supported a bill that simply said: The Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being.
Sound reasonable?
Of course.
Yet the bill was considered very controversial. It was bottled up in committee and never did get any congressional hearings.
One of the major opponents of this personhood bill was, and is, Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Despite the fact that the bill does nothing more than declare the scientific fact that a person exists from the moment of its beginning, Planned Parenthood cannot let this bill be passed.
The reason for Planned Parenthood's position is also simple to explain. If the truth about the personhood of the human being from its point of creation was ever to be written into law, Planned Parenthood would be virtually out of business.
One third of Planned Parenthood's clinic income comes from the killing of human beings who are in the first nine months of their lives. According to its own numbers, Planned Parenthood ends the lives of 255,015 of these children each year. Our own survey of prices charged by Planned Parenthood shows that it receives an average of $425 for each child it terminates. Thus, Planned Parenthood receives almost $110 million from its death business, a business that would clearly end if a personhood law were passed.
In addition to its direct killing business, Planned Parenthood receives millions of dollars in donations from individuals and foundations to support its advocacy for "choice." Of course, "choice" is simply a Planned Parenthood euphemism for abortion. If a personhood law were passed, Planned Parenthood would lose much of the $215 million it received in donations last year.
If all this were not enough of an incentive for Planned Parenthood to deny the truth and fight against the personhood act, there is another part of its business that would be affected by the passing of this common-sense law.
For more than 40 years, Planned Parenthood has used an arbitrary set of definitions to conceal how its so-called contraceptives really work. By claiming that pregnancy does not begin until the child has implanted in his mother's womb, Planned Parenthood tells high school and college girls that, if they take its contraceptive products, they will not get pregnant. It does not tell them that one of the mechanisms of over 85 percent of its products is the preventing of the implantation of an already created human being - thus causing the child's death.
Several years ago, we took every so-called contraceptive product that Planned Parenthood sells and we looked them up in the Physician's Desk Reference. The overwhelming majority of the products work, at least some of the time, by allowing a new human being to be created and then preventing that human being from implanting in her mother's womb. If we know it, then you can be sure Planned Parenthood knows it. But it denies the scientific facts to protect its primary business.
Planned Parenthood takes in almost $200 million a year from the sale of these so-called contraceptive products. In addition, much of its $272 million in taxpayer money is used to pay for the distribution of these same products. If a personhood law were passed, Planned Parenthood would lose most of this income.
Once we understand all the facts, two things become crystal clear:
First, Planned Parenthood's existence depends on the general public and elected officials ignoring (or remaining in the dark about) the scientific facts on when each unique human life begins and how its products work.
Second, the passage of a personhood act will force the laws of the United States to recognize what we all know to be true and to protect every human life from its point of creation. This would be the end of Planned Parenthood's business.
American Life League is dedicated in 2007, just as it has been for years, to focusing our energies on defeating the agenda of Planned Parenthood and saving the lives of millions of the most helpless human beings. A major part of that effort will be the re-introduction in Congress of a personhood act that will secure for the tiniest human beings the same rights that the rest of us enjoy.
It is time the laws of our land reflected truth and science. It is time we stopped bending our laws just so Planned Parenthood can continue its $880 million a year business. It is time we passed a personhood act.
We ask every liberal, moderate and conservative in the country to join with us in this effort. Protecting the lives of the most defenseless of our brothers and sisters is not the job of one party or one religion or one cause. It is required of every member of any society that dares to call itself civilized.
Let's put partisan politics and religious bigotry behind us. It is simply a matter of common sense. It is time "we the people" passed a personhood act.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18785

reply from: 4given

JUST THANK YOU! And much more- to come! GOD BLESS every effort and all you have done! We are thankful for how you have helped to motivate us! I am thankful!

reply from: sander

Agreed.
Faithman, you're a blessing to the children, there's no doubt!
And a great blessing to the prolife movement!

reply from: yoda

Anybody seen the F Man today?

reply from: 4given

We received your blessing (yet another) of the IAAP cards, posters and stickers! Thank you so much! They will be used. I have an idea about Sat. at the clinic.. I thought I would hand them out along w/ Mother's Day cards. (that reminder that having an abortion doesn't mean you aren't a mother- just that of a dead baby. )
Thank you again, sincerely!

reply from: sander

No, I'm starting to wonder/worry, so I'll use this as an opportunity to bump this important thread.

reply from: 4given

No, but I was reminded of him when I saw faithboy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6s8GKTJgSc

reply from: faithman

http://www.all.org/associates/dec.htm

reply from: ProInformed

"Cute picture Ash,
Off subject, but I have several bumper stickers and static stickers on my car and truck and I was at a store today and my car windows got shot out. Could be coincidence but I think my car got shot at because of the messages on it. Has anyone else experienced this? I do not want to take them off but I really do not want anything like that to happen while my kids are in the car with me.
Funny how the "choice" people think we are the violent ones."
Did you call the police? Also, did the store parking lot have any sort of survellience cameras or security staff? Were there any possible witnesses (other shoppers parked nearby) that could be questioned? Did the police question poeple parked there, store employees who might have seen somethign, etc.?

reply from: nancyu

An unborn child is a person.

reply from: Teresa18

Profiting off the killing of fellow human beings - and the most vulnerable, innocent, little babies at that. It disgusts me to no end.

reply from: yoda

That is their only reason for existing. Anything else they may do is just window dressing..... without their abortion "services", they would not exist.

reply from: nancyu

It's easy to recognize the "pro choice pro lifers." They get upset and defensive when you say that an unborn child is a person.
Goes to show how powerful the law will be, when these little words are added to the Constitution.
Persons include all human beings from conception until natural death.

reply from: Faramir

I have not seen a single prolifer on this site deny the personhood of life in the womb.
But if you believe in an immportal soul in the Christian sense, the person lives on and does not end at natural death.

reply from: nancyu

I have not seen a single prolifer on this site deny the personhood of life in the womb.
But if you believe in an immportal soul in the Christian sense, the person lives on and does not end at natural death.
That might be because you don't actually read the posts. And like Sander said:

reply from: Faramir

I have not seen a single prolifer on this site deny the personhood of life in the womb.
But if you believe in an immportal soul in the Christian sense, the person lives on and does not end at natural death.
That might be because you don't actually read the posts. And like Sander said:
Quoting a cheap shot that has no substance doesn't prove anything.
I believe in justice for the person beginning at conception and ending at natural death.

I have yet to see anyone else here who claims to be a prolifer who does not agree, with the exception of cracrat, who opposes making abortion illegal.

reply from: nancyu

What about CM? What about Crutcher, and Fr Pavone, and all the others you say who don't want women to be punished for aborting. What kind of justice is that? True personhood means that justice will be the same for the unborn as for the born.

reply from: Faramir

I would say I'm in good company if you include me with them.
They have a very reasonable, compassionate, and practical approach, and do not deny that the embryo or fetus is a person.
If you truly want "justice," then lock up every person who has committed a sexual sin, because every single one of them contributed in some way to our abortion culture.

reply from: nancyu

I would say I'm in good company if you include me with them.
They have a very reasonable, compassionate, and practical approach, and do not deny that the embryo or fetus is a person.
If you truly want "justice," then lock up every person who has committed a sexual sin, because every single one of them contributed in some way to our abortion culture.
What a forked tongue you have! Is this what galen and CP have been trying to explain to me?
You "call" an unborn child a person, but you don't believe this if you think one sort of justice is good for born persons, another for unborn persons. A person is a person. Are you talking now about having varying degrees of personhood. An unborn is part person, therefore not quite as entitled to justice as born? A child conceived from rape, not quite as much a person as this? What about a female person? Not quite as much of a person as male?
Do you support the life at conception act? Or are you afraid of how it will be interpreted in the law and justice system? Some juries might not discriminate in the same way you and your cohorts do.

reply from: nancyu

I've seen some of those posts.
You must have dared to disagree with some of the PC prolifers here at one time or another.
If you ruffle their feathers or offend their delicate egos, you become a "pro abort" by default.
Delicate egos, really now. And you wonder why we so often ignore you.

reply from: Faramir

I don't know about anyone trying to explain anything to you about me.
I believe in personhood from conception.
It would be great if there would be a law to that effect.
But I--like MANY prolifers--do not think it would be right to punish the woman.
Personhood but no punishment. They do not need to be mutually exclusive. You have created a false dichotomy.
I don't know where you are going with the rest of your bs. It's not making much sense.

reply from: nancyu

It is NOT a false dichotomy. The laws which protect one person are the SAME as those which protect another. We have a court system remember? If the personhood legislation is passed, YOU aren't going to be the one who decides whether or not a woman is punished. Neither is CM, or Crutcher of Pavone. Neither am I. You can make the suggestion for leniency, and I can make it for less leniency, but there is no guarantee one way or another.

Do you support the Life at Conception act?

reply from: nancyu

Did you just call me "Hun"?? Where are the sexist police!!!
I know you still are under the impression that I'm stupid. I can only hope that others besides you and faramir can see that I am not.
Yes I am part of that self righteous minority, and we are not driven by hatred. Exactly the opposite, we're driven by love.
It's the abortion movement which has been driven by hatred and fear. Hatred of children and fear of what too many of them will do to our world. To me it's like saying there are too many flowers or blue berries. Unless you hate flowers and blue berries there's no such thing as too many.

reply from: sander

It is NOT a false dichotomy. The laws which protect one person are the SAME as those which protect another. We have a court system remember? If the personhood legislation is passed, YOU aren't going to be the one who decides whether or not a woman is punished. Neither is CM, or Crutcher of Pavone. Neither am I. You can make the suggestion for leniency, and I can make it for less leniency, but there is no guarantee one way or another.
Do you support the Life at Conception act?
How transparent, he'd rather choke on his own spit than answer a simple question.
To support the Life at Conception act doesn't take any bravery or high IQ, just someone that doesn't live in the squalid squishy middle!

reply from: faithman

Only a stupid idiot would be blinded to the fact that personhood with exceptions is not personhood at all. After a killer scanc kills an womb child, they deserve jail, not a pat on the back, and a seat on the podium at the next pro-life banquett. Our so called leaders have failed us for 35 years, and we should put stock in what they say why? You can't call abortion murder if you are going to let one of the killers go. There just isn't any logic in that at all. I the mean time, get cards, and get busy. And fartamir, if you are not going to use the cards that were sent to you, then send them back so I can give them to someone who will.

reply from: yoda

That's one of the hazards of having such a stiff neck.........

reply from: faithman

If compromise can save lives, how self serving to choose your self righteous posturing over that....Clearly it is more important to you to appear virtuous than to save lives.
AAAAAH I see the pompassed monkey boy jerk has not learned a thing now has he? 35 years of compromise has gotten us millions of dead babies. I am not postering at all. I know for a fact that if we establish personhood for the pre-born. then at least babies will not legally die, and every citizen will have the legal duty to stop the killers and protect the innocent. You only muck up clarity with this post, and presume to know my motivations. My only motivation is to secure personhood for all human life. Personhood saves all of them, not just a few. Personhood brings the killers to justice. Personhood eliminates the guilt of WE THE PEOPLE who have allowed millions to be legally slaughtered. Personhood rises above personal aggenda, feelings, and hypothetical situations, to establish equality for all human beings. Evolution, humanism, and CM killer mom personality cults, are the enemy of personhood. This country was founded on the presuposition that we were created, not evolved. And our rights come from that creator. Those rights were exstended to the womb child by the creator in the constitution 40 words into the preamble. One of the biggest enemies of all human life, and is the foundation to all the evil movements on earth today is evolution. Evolution is a foundation stone of abortion. Monkey boys are the enemy of america, and some where along the line will be the enemy of the womb child. Evolution as with out a doubt been proven to be false science, and was only set up to get God out of the minds of mankind. Evolution is a belief system that has caused more death, destruction, and suffering, than all other belief systems combined. Only a pompassed ass, who is in love with their own ego, would embrace such lies, and evil. Anyone who embraces the false science of evolution will betray womb life sooner or later.

reply from: nancyu

I think I have to agree with CP here. If his definition is what it means to be pro life, then I don't want that title. Anyone have a better title for us. Maybe pro personhood?

reply from: nancyu

An unborn child is a person. How do you compromise on this?

reply from: carolemarie

And exactly what compromise has been made in these last 35 years that allowed abortion on demand to continue? Refusal to compromise has been the culprit! To be reasonable and pragmatic could end over 90% of abortions, but your self righteous indignation will not allow that. You feel better about yourself allowing 10 babies to be killed, when 9 of them could be saved. Faced with a choice between saving 9, or saving none, you think "all or nothing" reflects best on your character?
Compromise has gotten us parental notification laws. Compromise has gotten a partial birth abortion ban. Compromise has limited the gestation age that abortions can be performed. In some states compromise has given us no public money for abortions.
Compromise has helped babies live.

reply from: sander

Nobody is against the incremental favors towards the unborn. While supporting those actions we should not, however, loose sight of the ultimate goal of personhood, with no exceptions.
That goal when reached, will protect ALL the unborn.

reply from: yoda

What did we "compromise away" to get those things? What did we give up?

reply from: faithman

And exactly what compromise has been made in these last 35 years that allowed abortion on demand to continue? Refusal to compromise has been the culprit! To be reasonable and pragmatic could end over 90% of abortions, but your self righteous indignation will not allow that. You feel better about yourself allowing 10 babies to be killed, when 9 of them could be saved. Faced with a choice between saving 9, or saving none, you think "all or nothing" reflects best on your character?
Compromise has gotten us parental notification laws. Compromise has gotten a partial birth abortion ban. Compromise has limited the gestation age that abortions can be performed. In some states compromise has given us no public money for abortions.
Compromise has helped babies live.
And not a one of these chump change compromises has saved a single child from killer mommy if she wanted to abort. PBban does not protect one child from abortion. And all these compromises have clouded the issue, stolen the focus, and filled the pockets of the phony leaders that promoted them. Compromises has kept the death warrants of millions legal and good to go. These compromises are false victories, so it does not suprise me at all that a baby killer holds them up as good thing.

reply from: faithman

What did we "compromise away" to get those things? What did we give up?
They all involved accepting less than absolute equality for the unborn, did they not? Don't those of you who insist on "absolutism" reject anything less than full constitutional protection as "persons?" By your logic, those who supported these measures "compromised the pro-life principle,' and therefore were "faux pro-lifers," "pro-aborts with exceptions," or any of a number of creative but demeaning phrases, right?
Whether in ignorance, or sinsarity, exactly right. And all the "demeaning" phrases fit just fine!!

reply from: faithman

And exactly what compromise has been made in these last 35 years that allowed abortion on demand to continue? Refusal to compromise has been the culprit! To be reasonable and pragmatic could end over 90% of abortions, but your self righteous indignation will not allow that. You feel better about yourself allowing 10 babies to be killed, when 9 of them could be saved. Faced with a choice between saving 9, or saving none, you think "all or nothing" reflects best on your character?
Compromise has gotten us parental notification laws. Compromise has gotten a partial birth abortion ban. Compromise has limited the gestation age that abortions can be performed. In some states compromise has given us no public money for abortions.
Compromise has helped babies live.
And not a one of these chump change compromises has saved a single child from killer mommy if she wanted to abort. PBban does not protect one child from abortion. And all these compromises have clouded the issue, stolen the focus, and filled the pockets of the phony leaders that promoted them. Compromises has kept the death warrants of millions legal and good to go. These compromises are false victories, so it does not suprise me at all that a baby killer holds them up as good thing.
And yet, you reject outright any compromise that would actually make a difference in the body count....on your "principles."
The body count stops when we establish personhood, the body count is on them that kill, and them that resist personhood. A step in the ladder is no place to rest. The ultimate goal is to get to personhood. I will help anyone who understands that personhood is the final goal, and fight anyone who resists. Equality thru personhood is the absolute ultimate goal. none of the compromises I see posted here are of any use to that final goal, and is a huge waist of time and resourses. They have also been used to steal the focus from the final resolution. Establish personhood, it is over.

reply from: faithman

Yes, constitutional protection for the unborn as persons is our common goal. With that I wholeheartedly agree. It is your reluctance to do whatever it takes to save as many lives as possible in the mean time that makes you a hindrance to our true cause, which is to save human lives from being wantonly destroyed. Is that not the underlying principle behind our ultimate goal?
Hay dummy. Go back and read what I posted. The compromises numbered on this page did nothing to lower the body count. They do not legally protect one womb child from legal exicution. What reluctance? What henderance? My goal is to establish personhood for the womb child, that makes saving womb life legal. You are just use to saying the right thing is wrong. Secular humanist mental disease.

reply from: nancyu

I think I have to agree with CP here. If his definition is what it means to be pro life, then I don't want that title. Anyone have a better title for us. Maybe pro personhood?
You don't want to be seen as willing to save as many as possible? You're right, we don't see eye to eye. Just for the record, I am pro-life, pro-personhood, and anti-abortion. Sorry if you're offended by the fact that I'm also "pro saving as many human lives as possible." I think it's sad that you wish to distance yourself from such a position.
I happen to think that you are the one driven by hatred and are attempting to hijack the pro life, pro personhood, anti abortion position.
I am not distancing myself from my position. I only wish to distance myself from your position. Because it yours a warped idea of what it means to be pro life. You do nothing, but attempt to confuse an idea which is pure and simple.
An unborn child is a person. An unborn child should have all the rights and protections given to all other persons under the United States Constitution.

reply from: nancyu

Yes, what point is compromise that saves no lives?

reply from: nancyu

We need a wedding photo of Yoda and Sander, and how about a family portrait, too.

reply from: sander

Say, don't forget his other wife, can't hurt her feelings.
Fartnomore doesn't show up in photos, we think it's a genetic thing with his ancestors coming from Transylvania. Oh, did I mention he was adopted?
We found him on the side of the road and you know Yoda...he'll drag any old thing home.

reply from: faithman

We still have cards for those who would like a free sample. Please contact me by Private Message.

reply from: nancyu

An unborn child is a person.

reply from: 4given

I need some sign advice.. What would you say I should use to secure a handle? Bamboo? I need to get going with this.. today. A busy clinic schedule for the end of June.. May I have a supply list? I want the posters to survive the summer.. IAAP will be put to use this summer!

reply from: faithman

I use bamboo alot. It is strong and light weight. Laminate two posters at Kinkos, and then attach to your pole on both sides. Double stick tape would come in handy. Laminated posters hold up real good, and even withstand rain. Un laminated posters need not get wet because the ink will wash off. If you can't get your bamboo, your local lumber yard will have 1 by 2 drip edge. It comes in 10 ft sticks, so you might bring a saw with you if you have a small vehicle. Drip edge is flat and is easier to fasten signs to. When you measure out your stick, be sure you go from the top of your sign, and leave how ever much you need out the bottom. When you put a poster on both sides of your stick, It makes your sign stronger, and people can see it from two directions insted of one.

reply from: yoda

Yes, the laminated sign holds up well, and you can also use corrugated plastic with waterproof ink. Good idea about the double sided signs. I use a little piece of lumber that's about one inch wide by a half inch thick for a handle. (Works good to poke proaborts with, too!

reply from: nancyu

I have to say Sander, and lukesmom, you are two lucky women!

reply from: sander

I have to say Sander, and lukesmom, you are two lucky women!

reply from: 4given

A busy summer planned with the IAAP posters.. thank you!
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/Bound4LifeNH/Activism-The%20IAAP%20Project/Exeter11.jpg

reply from: faithman

Thank you for posting such wonderful pictures, and thank you for making IAAP such a wonderful success. Keep up the good work.

reply from: nancyu

Here is my report on my first experience with protesting.
June 24, 2008
I left for Greenland and Exeter at 7:30 Am. I arrived at Greenland about 9:50 am. I stopped at a store to buy some tea and chocolate (hint: it was not for post abortive women.)
It took me a little while to find the Feminists Health Center, The road is closed except for local traffic, and I had to take a detour. I finally encountered a woman and three teenage girls holding signs beside the road. "Jesus forgives and Heals, Abortion Is Homicide, Rock for Life. "
I stopped my car and the lady spoke to me. She told me where to park my car, and said, "when you come back, we'll talk."
I drove around the corner to the shady spot I was directed to and parked my car. As I was walking back I met a man holding a sign which said "Babies Killed Here" I stopped to speak with him. I introduced myself, he shook my hand and said, "I'm Warren. We come here every Tuesday morning around 9:30 am. You are always welcome to join us."
The woman introduced herself to me as well as her daughter and two friends. D*** was there as a representative of NHRTL. She filled me in on some details of how many of the clinics in NH operate, and said some prayers for women entering the clinic. Her young daughter, offered some beautiful prayers, also. (I think I must have had something in my eye, which would explain my tears.)
Directly across from the Greenland center is located a Crisis Pregnancy Shelter. We were given a tour and description of the shelter by "Tony" the woman who has been directing the shelter since it opened in 1987. A few minutes into the tour, 4given arrived with her sister and her mother. Her son and brother were with her also, but I would meet them later; they were waiting outside.
It was so awesome to meet 4given. It's a strange thing to read what someone writes, and try to imagine what they will look and be like in person. I can truthfully say it is utterly impossible to do. 4given is strikingly beautiful and one of the sweetest people I've met. That some have called her "mean" and a "hater of women" even before I had met her boggled my mind. So much more so after meeting her.
After the tour and prayers for Tony and the shelter, we went out for lunch, and talked and got to know each other a little better. I met 4given's son and her brother. Both very handsome young men, and nice as could be. I showed them some pictures of "gingerkid" (my daughter) They seemed tickled to finally see what she looks like.
After lunch we headed to the Exeter Planned Parenthood. We had some balloons (Love them Both, and Choose Life) which we filled with helium, and we walked from the hospital parking lot up the hill to the clinic carrying our signs ("I Am a Person" signs are THE BEST) and balloons. D*** had explained that Tuesdays between 2 and 5pm were designated "teen hours" at the planned parenthood. She explained that NH has no parental notification laws, regardless of the age of the girl. Therefore, they receive some out of state business from states which have stricter laws.
We were standing on the sidewalk in front of the clinic for just a short while before hospital security approached us and told us that we would not be allowed to park our cars in the hospital parking lot, since it was designated for patients and visitors only. We had to move our cars to a lot which was nearly a mile away.
We are told that no surgical abortions take place at this planned parenthood, but emergency contraception, and other forms of birth control are offered We saw many young girls entering and exiting with heads low, and carrying a very small paper bag. D*** said that this was most likely EC.
One of the things that struck me was the reactions of some of the people passing by. A few gave us "the finger," but more tooted and gave us the thumbs up. One woman shouted "keep you religion off from other women's bodies!" another shouted, "mind your own business!"
Then another woman stopped her car and held up traffic, when she saw that D*** was trying to take a picture of our group from across the street. I think the positive reactions we received out numbered the negative. (next time I think I'll keep score)
All in all it was an amazing day. I can only pray that the girls exiting the clinic with their little paper bags, stopped by a trash can on their way home.
Thank you faithman. The IAAP cards and posters truly leave a lasting impression. And thank you 4given for your encouragement, I'm so happy that I got to meet you and your beautiful family.
I also must thank Cracrat. Thanks, your encouragement is greatly appreciated

reply from: sander

BRAVO, Nancy! You and 4given rock!

reply from: nancyu

Thank you Sander. What can I say, it's all a day in the life of us faithman clones.

reply from: yoda

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: yoda

An excellent beginning! Some days you will be tested, but now that you have seen the good side, you can endure them too. Wonderful news!

reply from: faithman

I am SSSSSOOOO proud of the Personhood advocates. It is really simple to save womb children. get armed and get busy. If anyone would like to join in on the effective action, then PM me a snail mail address, and I will send you free material.

reply from: yoda

At the request of that mean spirited, hateful, misanthropic, grouchy old curmudgeon who started this thread, I am posting my weekly report:
Knox Co. chapter of TRTL sponsored a booth at the Secret City Festival in Oak Ridge, TN, on Friday and Saturday. I've posted a few photos of the booth on both days on my website at: http://www.abortionknoxville.com/secretcityfestival.html The event was fairly uneventful, although we did interact with quite a few people and perhaps opened some minds. We were so close to the "big stage" that we needed earplugs to protect us from the noise, but maybe we drew a bigger audience because of that. I think such events are one of our best ways of reaching the public (since we don't exist, to the news media) .

Saturday at the mill was fairly routine, if killing babies is ever routine. The crowd of customers was about normal. Our showing of protesters was pretty good, almost a full crew. The weather was great, but the killing went on anyway. Some of our crew also protests in front of the campus abortion mill on Clinch Avenue, and apparently the proaborts got to the cops there. One of them came by and demanded that they remove their signs from the grassy strip between the sidewalk and the street, claiming some obscure city sign ordinance applies. He even told one of them she couldn't say "certain things", but the recipient of that advice (Donna) rejected it out of hand. She says she doesn't obey censors, even those with badges.

A bit of good news came our way Saturday at the Festival, at least I hope it's as good as it sounds. It was mentioned that the CPC across the street from the abortion mill on Concord Street has a new director, who has a completely different attitude towards stopping abortion than the previous one. (The previous director took a "stand-offish" attitude towards us, at one time calling us "street people") From all I hear, the new director wants to work with us, not against us, and is even endorsing the GAP program of the CBR. I do hope all that I've heard is true, and that it will stay true for a long time. We could really benefit, and the babies could really be helped by such an alliance. I'm on pins and needles, to say the least.

The photos at the mill are at: http://www.abortionknoxville.com/62108itgoesonandon.html

reply from: faithman

HEY!!!!!! I resemble those remarks!!!!!!!

reply from: sander

Thanks for the report, Yoda.
And good for Donna, what a great comeback! Apparently those in authority never heard of free speech, how some of these people get badges is mind boggeling.
Btw, the links don't work.

reply from: yoda

YW! That Donna is quite a character, she's 75 and still going strong... full of energy and compassion for the unborn. She had an abortion 60 years ago, and says she's regretted it every day of her life since then. She went to the CPC across the street (under the old director) and volunteered to counsel for them. They made her take an 8 week "post abortive recovery" course first (even though it was 60 years ago). After she finished that, they told her she'd have to quit protesting in the street if she wanted to help them. That's just plain sickening. The prospect of a new director is an extremely welcome one.
Fixed.

reply from: faithman

HEY!!!!!! I resemble those remarks!!!!!!!
Hey!!! would you fix the #@$%^!&)(* site link, or edit it off of the +*&@^%$!@#$ thred!!!!

reply from: yoda

The ones in my post are fixed. I can't fix the ones in yours and sander's posts.

reply from: cracrat

So she had an abortion 25 years before RvW, ie she illegally murdered her child. Has she been brought to justice for her crime? If not, why don't you shop her?

reply from: nancyu

Thanks for the great report Yoda.
Our experience in Exeter was similar. First we were told we couldn't park where we were, (in the hospital parking lot). Then later we were approached by police who said that someone complained about us standing in the road. Give me a break. We had young ones with us, and traffic was whizzing by. We would not have had them standing in the road.
Good for Donna!

reply from: 4given

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/Bound4LifeNH/Activism-The%20IAAP%20Project/Calebkissingthebaby.jpg

reply from: faithman

Babies kissing babies. Ya gotta love it.

reply from: faithman

Babies kissing babies. Ya gotta love it.

reply from: 4given

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
Yes you are a "weirdo" should you find that innocence to be disturbing. It is natural for a child to want to kiss and hug a baby.

reply from: faithman

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
Yes you are the weirdos. If a picture of a beautiful child, kissing a beautiful picture, make you sick then you most assuredly are the thing that has the problem. I am glad that the picture disturbs you because it exposes you for the monster you are.

reply from: sander

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
Yes you are the weirdos. If a picture of a beautiful child, kissing a beautiful picture, make you sick then you most assuredly are the thing that has the problem. I am glad that the picture disturbs you because it exposes you for the monster you are.
You are absolutley right, Faithman.
She had all ready exposed herself to be the dumbest dumb proabort, now we know the depths of how utterly cold her heart is.

reply from: sander

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
Yes you are a "weirdo" should you find that innocence to be disturbing. It is natural for a child to want to kiss and hug a baby.
Ok, I LOVE animals.
But I would think it just as disturbing if a child was kissing a pre-born picture of a dog.
It is sick.
You don't love animals. Stop lying. You don't love anything, not even yourself and that's bad for a proabort, they are usually so head over heals with themselves it's beyond sick.
What you are witnessing in that photo is the natural instinct of a child responding with love towards another child. You saw pure love, WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
See, to that toddler it didn't matter that the baby didn't look exactly like him, it only mattered that was another baby.
Never, never have children. You are not only not worthy, you don't have what it takes. You don't have anything pure enough in your heart to be entrusted with innocence.

reply from: Faramir

I'm not going to say it, but I know I'm not the only one thinking it...
I didn't know what you meant until I looked at who actually started this thread. So apparently there are two of them...
Anyway, I think nancyu's story was very nice and inspiring, but I wish she would not have made that nasty dig about the "tea and chocolate," which tainted it somewhat. It would have been a better story had she made it entirely positive and not used it as an opportunity to slam CM once more.

reply from: sander

Thank you for sharing this, 4Given! It brought joy to my heart and reminded me why I love babies so much!!
They are so innocent, so pure and so without any prejudice!
I'm just stunned that there are people out in this world who can't see that. How cold their hearts are and dry their bones to find anything wrong with that lovely picture.
Proaborts are truly dead people walking.

reply from: 4given

I agree. It is natural for a child to respond that way. In fact he is the 3rd baby to do that. Then of course they point out the obvious "eyes" etc. There is something really troubling about an adult that finds innocence "sick".

reply from: Faramir

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
You're really reaching with this one.
The baby recognizes the human form, even in an embryo. At least he sees it as something more than just tissue.
That should tell you something.
I think it makes a powerful statement.

reply from: sander

I think the X in Xen stands for having Xed out her heart.
It's very troubling, I use to think she was just one of those dittzy people, but this one is beyond that.
The normal response to seeing that picture is...awww. But, hers borders on a real sociopath.

reply from: galen

i think xena may be trying to play devils advocate with you guys... he answers are not consistant untill you look at the subject. when she is seriously asking a question she is thoughtful and usually well thought out... when she is messing with you then she shoots from the hip( mouth) anything goes.

reply from: sander

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
You're really reaching with this one.
The baby recognizes the human form, even in an embryo. At least he sees it as something more than just tissue.
That should tell you something.
I think it makes a powerful statement.
Yes, it does make a powerful statement, you're absolutley right. And beyond that it shows how children are born without any prejudice, that horrid trait is learned.
I don't know what Xen would have thought when she could have seen my grandaughter at 3 hug the TV when Barney was on. It was the cutest thing I ever saw....

reply from: sander

I think she was just playing the devil.
And I'm not prepared to give her any excuses, sorry.

reply from: Faramir

Well I think this was a very insightful observation...
I think xen is kind of sweet, actually.
I don't like a lot of what she says, but she is at least not like many of the angry and hateful prochoice b-words I've interacted with on other boards.

reply from: Faramir

Probably, but not always. I think she does make at least some points in good faith.
What is worse is that I see some prolifers wasting time on another prochoicer on this board who is only here to waste everyone's time and who is a master baiter.

reply from: faithman

Probably, but not always. I think she does make at least some points in good faith.
What is worse is that I see some prolifers wasting time on another prochoicer on this board who is only here to waste everyone's time and who is a master baiter.
You being the king of them would recognize that.

reply from: yoda

Amen sister...... amen!

reply from: yoda

At the request of the local curmudgeon, I am again posting my weekly report here:
Saturday morning started off hot and sticky at 8am, and with the usual air of death down at the mill. The crowd was thin for a while, but reached about a typical crowd by 9am.
For whatever reason, there was a big showing of people bringing very small children to the mill this morning. I can't figure if it was just too much trouble/expense to make other arrangements, or if they wanted the little kids to know what happens to kids who "aren't wanted". Whatever the reason, it looked eerie and disgusting.
Today's photos: http://www.abortionknoxville.com/62808hotanddeadly.html [/a]
We again had a good showing of folks from Our Lady of Fatima in Alcoa, about six showed up between 8 and 9am.
After that was over, we installed the Crosses for the Unborn display out at Valley Grove Baptist Church on Chapman Highway. It's a difficult location when the weather is hot and the ground is dry, as it was today. The high clay content of the ground gives it almost the hardness of concrete, and we made good use of a cordless drill and a tire tool to make holes for the crosses.
Photos of cross moving (slide show): http://www.abortionknoxville.com/62808crossmoving.html

reply from: yoda

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
Do you really hate young children so much that seeing one doing something typical for that age "makes you sick"?
How sad for you.

reply from: sander

Thanks, Yoda. I so appreciate your efforts and taking the time to post your experiences.
How awful that people were taking thier little ones with them to the death mill.
Wonder if Xen would find that as disgusting as a precious little one kissing a picture of another precious little one?
They say it takes "all kinds", but "all kinds" can be so sick and twisted that it really makes you wonder.

reply from: sander

Probably not....
I'm sure you're right. She has no concept of right and wrong. Pity.

reply from: yoda

I don't really know about that, but I rather imagine she views abortion mills a bit differently than we do..... she probably doesn't see them as a place of death. Right, Xen?

reply from: nancyu

So she had an abortion 25 years before RvW, ie she illegally murdered her child. Has she been brought to justice for her crime? If not, why don't you shop her?
Tell carolemarie to gather up some stones. Maybe she will, but I won't be throwing any of them. I think it's safe to say this woman has repented, and has never stopped paying for her crime. Judging by what Yoda says about Donna, CM might want to be prepared for some stones to be thrown back in her direction.

reply from: Faramir

She's been doing a fair job of dodging the stones you, faithman, and yodavater toss at her, but so far I haven't seen her do any stone throwing.
She's not hateful like you guys, so you don't need to worry about ducking or anything.

reply from: faithman

She's been doing a fair job of dodging the stones you, faithman, and yodavater toss at her, but so far I haven't seen her do any stone throwing.
She's not hateful like you guys, so you don't need to worry about ducking or anything.
That is because you are blind. How about calling us pro-death, haters, and the like? Dude, can't you at least leave one thred untouched by your idiotic posts? This thred is about Personhood of the womb child, not the feelings of a serial killer of womb life.

reply from: Faramir

She's been doing a fair job of dodging the stones you, faithman, and yodavater toss at her, but so far I haven't seen her do any stone throwing.
She's not hateful like you guys, so you don't need to worry about ducking or anything.
That is because you are blind. How about calling us pro-death, haters, and the like? Dude, can't you at least leave one thred untouched by your idiotic posts? This thred is about Personhood of the womb child, not the feelings of a serial killer of womb life.
If you and nancyu would stop ranting obsessively about her, maybe your posts would be more effective. You're the ones who spoil almost every thread with your CM hobby.

reply from: faithman

She's been doing a fair job of dodging the stones you, faithman, and yodavater toss at her, but so far I haven't seen her do any stone throwing.
She's not hateful like you guys, so you don't need to worry about ducking or anything.
That is because you are blind. How about calling us pro-death, haters, and the like? Dude, can't you at least leave one thred untouched by your idiotic posts? This thred is about Personhood of the womb child, not the feelings of a serial killer of womb life.
If you and nancyu would stop ranting obsessively about her, maybe your posts would be more effective. You're the ones who spoil almost every thread with your CM hobby.
In case you haven't noticed, we are pro-personhood. Anyone who opposes it are the enemies of the womb child for whom our total loyalty belongs in this fight. WHEN SHE SURRENDERS IN HER WAR AGAINST THEM, SHE WILL NEVER HEAR ANOTHER PEEP FROM US. But until that day we will fight her at everyturn. Peace can not be kept, until it is made. If She wants to make peace then she will stop her avowed fight against our charges, and join with us in their total defence. That will never be compromised as long as I draw breath.

reply from: Teresa18

So she had an abortion 25 years before RvW, ie she illegally murdered her child. Has she been brought to justice for her crime? If not, why don't you shop her?
Even before Roe vs. Wade, the women were not punished, just the abortionists.

reply from: Teresa18

Yoda, I noticed that one lady gave the finger. What a wonderful example she was setting for her little girl whose hand she was holding. She actually looked pregnant to me, and she had sweats on. Maybe she was getting an abortion. Of course "dear ole dad" came along. It makes you sick to see young children going into the killing centers, knowing they could have just as easily have been killed there. Possibly those children were losing a brother or sister today.
I have to ask, isn't it hot down in Knoxville? It is here, and we are further North. I see women going in with heavy sweats on. Are those possibly the women getting abortions?
It makes me sick to see men entering the clinic with women. How can pro-abortion feminists not see that a real man would treasure the ability of a woman to carry their child? What's so pro-woman about taking one's girlfriend/wife to a clinic and getting birth control that likely works by causing her body to malfunction so she doesn't get pregnant, possibly by preventing implantation? What's so pro-woman about taking one's girlfriend/wife into the clinic to have his own child killed? It's like they are having these women "serviced" so they can continue to have consequence free sex.

reply from: nancyu

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
One of the many reasons I keep reminding myself that pro aborts are not people:
.....(and we're the weirdos )
4given, this is such a beautiful, touching photograph. I'm glad you shared it even though some (non persons) won't appreciate it.

reply from: faithman

So she had an abortion 25 years before RvW, ie she illegally murdered her child. Has she been brought to justice for her crime? If not, why don't you shop her?
Even before Roe vs. Wade, the women were not punished, just the abortionists.
A travisty of justice that led to Roe in the first place.

reply from: Faramir

Does this place only do abortions?
Could they be going there for tests or for other reasons than an abortion?

reply from: yoda

She puts her regrets into actions on the front lines every week. I'm proud to stand beside her out there, because she doesn't pull any punches, doesn't make any excuses for women who abort. She treats the situation as if it is a life or death matter...... which it is.

reply from: yoda

Yes, it appeared that way. Some of them go out of their way to avoid eye contact, others throw lots of profanities our way enthusiastically.
Exactly. It's the saddest thing we see. You feel so sorry for those kids going in that place.
Could be. Yes, it was hot yesterday at 8am. But of course, if your car has air, that's not much of a problem.
He appeared to be dragging his feet, as if he really didn't want his child killed. Sometimes it's that way, other times it's the man who practically drags the woman in there. It's about 50-50, I guess.
I'm sure that's one of the main motivations the men have who pressure their SO's to have abortion. I know for a fact that's what some child abusers do, and of course the abortion industry is only too happy to cover up their little "indiscretions", all in the name of "privacy" of course.

reply from: yoda

Wow..... talk about your sack of doorknobs....
The photo that kid was kissing was of a HEALTHY fetus...... one that had so far ESCAPED the abortionist's grasp......
Maybe you were just fantasizing about what that fetus would look like after an abortion?

reply from: sander

She puts her regrets into actions on the front lines every week. I'm proud to stand beside her out there, because she doesn't pull any punches, doesn't make any excuses for women who abort. She treats the situation as if it is a life or death matter...... which it is.
You mean she wouldn't "fight pershood tooth and nail"? Well, fancy that, someone who actually fully understands it's about the baby.

reply from: sander

Wow..... talk about your sack of doorknobs....
The photo that kid was kissing was of a HEALTHY fetus...... one that had so far ESCAPED the abortionist's grasp......
Maybe you were just fantasizing about what that fetus would look like after an abortion?
LOL
I was going to point out that "little" infraction to her, but I see you did a good job.
These proaborts do tend to jump the gun in defense of thier indefensable position.

reply from: yoda

Quite the opposite.... she's 100% for giving unborn babies every possible advantage.
It's the only tactic they've got.... they "shoot off" their mouths.

reply from: faithman

Wow..... talk about your sack of doorknobs....
The photo that kid was kissing was of a HEALTHY fetus...... one that had so far ESCAPED the abortionist's grasp......
Maybe you were just fantasizing about what that fetus would look like after an abortion?
LOL
I was going to point out that "little" infraction to her, but I see you did a good job.
These proaborts do tend to jump the gun in defense of thier indefensable position.
This is one of the major reasons IAAP was developed. It takes the "ugly picture aurgument" completely away from them. And as the picture demonstrates, even the very young loves it. IAAP devastates all the bort head lies, while winning people to the cause. Even when those people are toddlers.

reply from: sander

Wow..... talk about your sack of doorknobs....
The photo that kid was kissing was of a HEALTHY fetus...... one that had so far ESCAPED the abortionist's grasp......
Maybe you were just fantasizing about what that fetus would look like after an abortion?
LOL
I was going to point out that "little" infraction to her, but I see you did a good job.
These proaborts do tend to jump the gun in defense of thier indefensable position.
This is one of the major reasons IAAP was developed. It takes the "ugly picture aurgument" completely away from them. And as the picture demonstrates, even the very young loves it. IAAP devastates all the bort head lies, while winning people to the cause. Even when those people are toddlers.
And yet Xen still "saw" what she wanted to "see".

reply from: sander

Wonderful!
We see it over and over, don't we? Xen clearly demonstrated how blind proaborts are. Truly blind. She couldn't tell the difference between a live child in the womb and one that had been mangled by an abortionists deadly instruments. Stunning.

reply from: faithman

Wow..... talk about your sack of doorknobs....
The photo that kid was kissing was of a HEALTHY fetus...... one that had so far ESCAPED the abortionist's grasp......
Maybe you were just fantasizing about what that fetus would look like after an abortion?
LOL
I was going to point out that "little" infraction to her, but I see you did a good job.
These proaborts do tend to jump the gun in defense of thier indefensable position.
This is one of the major reasons IAAP was developed. It takes the "ugly picture aurgument" completely away from them. And as the picture demonstrates, even the very young loves it. IAAP devastates all the bort head lies, while winning people to the cause. Even when those people are toddlers.
And yet Xen still "saw" what she wanted to "see".
The willingly blind always do.

reply from: 4given

Yes. It is appropriate everywhere. We are blessed through and by the opportunity to use them. For that I am thankful.

reply from: faithman

That is really disturbing, in fact it is kind of sick .... (and we're the weirdos )
Do you really hate young children so much that seeing one doing something typical for that age "makes you sick"?
How sad for you.

reply from: yoda

Duuuuh....... WE KNEW THAT!!
And since you just recently made a big deal out of how "sick" you thought the photo of the kid kissing the baby photo was...... well, that IS the context in which you made that comment!!
Want to try to wiggle out of it again?

reply from: yoda

No she isn't. We all know what YOUR context was.

reply from: faithman

Duuuuh....... WE KNEW THAT!!
And since you just recently made a big deal out of how "sick" you thought the photo of the kid kissing the baby photo was...... well, that IS the context in which you made that comment!!
Want to try to wiggle out of it again?
Borty head magots do like to wiggle.

reply from: sander

No she isn't. We all know what YOUR context was.
What's more dense than a sack of door knobs?

reply from: kentuckyjoe

God made all of us with many talents and abilities. However, He did NOT give us infinite talents, abilities or resources to use these abilities. So we have to choose. We can choose to do a, b and c, in which case we choose to NOT do x, y and z. Or we can put most of our resources into a, b and c, in which case we can only put a little bit of our resources into x, y and z. That's what this discussion is all about: our choices.
All that I have to do is look around and see the amount of resources put into churches and a paid clergy. Obviously, these resources are NOT being used to feed starving children. That's not to say these congregations aren't doing some good. They might be generating funds that ARE feedings starving children or running soup kitchens etc. However, that is NOT where the bulk of their money is going. Anyone care to disagree with me on this point?
Now to abortion. I'm not going to even try to defend the idea of a woman's right to choose. Rather, I am saying as clearly as I possibly can, that we do choose to spend the bulk of our resources either on preventing abortions or on feeding starving children. Certainly, it is possible to divide our resources exactly in half, but in the real world, we tend to go one way or another.
As I said in the very beginning, I'm following the teachings of Christ. There are no ifs, ands, buts or maybes about it. No parables. Christ is as clear-cut as he can possibly be. If we don't make the choice to feed starving children, we are cursed to eternal damnation.
This is one of the centers of money and political power in this country so this is where I will stay, fighting to help feed starving children.

reply from: faithman

Then start a staring children site, and leave this thred alone. We are about establishing equality thru Personhood. That effects all of humanity. We have already adressed your issue, now either help us or go away. Many here already do things On a personal level to address hungry kids. This is about effective action, not self righteous pontificating. You have mapped out no plan to address your issue, while this whole thred is about effective action to secure personhood and equality for womb children. Either get involved or go away. We have heard enough from your phony behind.

reply from: faithman

Then start a starving children site, and leave this thred alone. We are about establishing equality thru Personhood. That effects all of humanity. We have already adressed your issue, now either help us or go away. Many here already do things On a personal level to address hungry kids. This is about effective action, not self righteous pontificating. You have mapped out no plan to address your issue, while this whole thred is about effective action to secure personhood and equality for womb children. Either get involved or go away. We have heard enough from your phony behind.

reply from: 4given

How exactly are you doing that? You said it is possible to divide one's resources, yet you are not willing to do that yourself? What do you do for the hungry nations? Do you help feed the hungry in America also?
Kindly start another thread if you wish to discuss feeding the hungry. It is inappropriate to do so here.

reply from: 4given

Yes. It is appropriate everywhere. We are blessed through and by the opportunity to use them. For that I am thankful.
Thank you!

reply from: sander

Do you give the "BULK" of YOUR resources to starving children? How much of your income to you give? What percentage?

reply from: sander

Okay, sorry guys...I see I contributed to deraling this thread with KentuckyJoe's rants.

reply from: faithman

I believe that was his goal from the git go. We need to remain focussed on the issue. It does not suprise me that a borthead would come here trying to knock us off our game. We are stomping the stuffings out of the prodeath ranks with IAAP. They will try every trick in the book to at least slow us down. When this chump comes back, we just need to post links to IAAP pictures and keep this thred focussed on the most effective material in the field. We should feel honored that this phony attack our thred. If we were not SSSSSOOOOO effective, they would leave us alone. But this thred has been used to net work and distribute material all over the country. That has got to scare the borties something fierce. Keep up the good work guys, and just feed a hungry bum on your way to display
IAAP at a clinic. I rather doubt this chump has done anything to relieve the suffering of starving children !!!

reply from: sander

I believe that was his goal from the git go. We need to remain focussed on the issue. It does not suprise me that a borthead would come here trying to knock us off our game. We are stomping the stuffings out of the prodeath ranks with IAAP. They will try every trick in the book to at least slow us down. When this chump comes back, we just need to post links to IAAP pictures and keep this thred focussed on the most effective material in the field. We should feel honored that this phony attack our thred. If we were not SSSSSOOOOO effective, they would leave us alone. But this thred has been used to net work and distribute material all over the country. That has got to scare the borties something fierce. Keep up the good work guys, and just feed a hungry bum on your way to display
IAAP at a clinic. I rather doubt this chump has done anything to relieve the suffering of starving children !!!
Good reminder! And good observation on this nut case.

reply from: sander

Aw, how sweet.
I suppose this will send Xen into another tizzy! LOL!
This and 4Given's picture should be enough to make any clear thinking person understand how effective these photos are.
Not to mention how innocent born children are...My God in heaven, if a small child reconizes a tiny womb child as one of their own how can these monsterous proaborts live with their lies another day, another minute, another second?????

reply from: faithman

The best thing for all peaceful pro-lifers to do is contact the police. Comunity relations officer is the best place to start. You want a good working relationship with the PD. I try to let the local PD know what I am doing, and where I will be. That way when the proaborts call in on you the police already know you are there.Some cities have anti-solicitation laws. The way around these, is to not hand them out. Instead, get a high stool, find an high foot trafic area, and simply hold the card up. I guarintee that folk will come and take them from you. If you go to your local police station, they will also suply you with the oath of office that every policeman has to take and sign. It is a good reminder on the street to show the officer what they swore to uphold. Get a copy of the constitution, and carry it with you at all times when engaged in activism. Some cities require you to register with them to go door to door. Never put things in mail boxes, it is a federal offence. Mail the images to local authorities. Police chiefs, mayors and such. That way they are familiar with what you are up to. Know your rights. The american center for law and jutice [ACLJ] has great info. TRy to get a local pro-life attorney. Sometimes all you need is a letter from a law firm to get politicals to treat you different. Don't get discouraged. The first reaction you always get from government is the ole brush off. Perserver. When you go to vist your local officials, be ready to wait them out. A common tacic is for secretaries to say folk ain't in. I had this happen once, and I said that is OK I will wait. I kept them in their office for most of the day as I waited on them and they really were there!!!. Have to admit I got a chuckle out of that one. Be a suplier. Find "missionaries" at different venues. Prime targets are students. High school thru college are fair game. middle school is a little iffy. Elementery is defenatly parent territory. Pictures on a legally parked car by passes all kinda laws. Pictuers on clothing does the same. Most malls and parking lots are private property and off limits.But the pictures on the car can witness to many at wall mart while your getting stuff for your pro-life garden party. A poster on your front door is exposed to more eyes than you think. Sticky backed magnets, lets you put these on the ice box, and inside locker doors at school. Glue them to note books. Spray adhesive makes a quick stick . The kinda iffy tactics...... Put cards in chothes pockets and tupper ware at the store. Magazine stands, doctors offices, any kind of waiting room are good drop zones. With the spray adhesive, we have had some ladies put pictures on the backs of stall doors in public rest rooms. You can also do the same on the glass part of doors [does not mess up paint, and can be cleaned with WD40]. Churches, and pro-death businesses make most exsilent targets. Make an E-mail list of as many of the local media that you can. Send them regular pictures of the womb child. Many Tv reporters put an e-mail on the air. Most news paper reporters also put their email addresses in their stories. All those "MAIL FREE IF IN THE US" cards make good places for sprayed on pictures and dropped in the mail. Spray glue a picture on the out side of all your out going mail. Every politician should be getting e-mail/snail mail pictures. Every email list should have an I AM A PERSON email sent out to it. Every pastor in town should have a picture emailed/ snail mailed to them. Pro-life computer geeks can get on line, and type church e-mail list in a search engine to fined thousands of addresses to send the I AM A PERSON email. Educators are another very good target. Just be aware, informed, and ready to pounce on oportunity. Get armed and get busy!!!

reply from: faithman

I AM A PERSON. The material even neo-lifers use. It has been one of the greatest joys of my life to be a part of IAAP. We have produced close to 200,000 cards, and untold posters and flyers. But without the foot soldiers on the front, it would be worthless paper sitting on the shelf. Special thanks to Life Issues Institute for producing the "WINDOWS TO THE WOMB" CD where the image of the IAAP womb child came from, and making it SSSSSOOOO accessible, and easy to use. Major thanks to MC3, and life dynamics for this forum, that has been a most valuable tool in net working, and distribution of IAAP. And personal thanks to Mark Crutcher, and Troy Newman for modeling servanthood in leadership. It is the spirit of your example of generousity, that has encouraged us to make these materials available to the front free of charge to those who are in the heat of this battle. Mark Crutcher has given tons of material free of charge to no telling how many activist across the country. I have personally traveled with Troy Newman, and observed him in the field. No one puts more energy, time, and resources into this struggle, nor has the same history of effective action, than Troy Newman. And no one has taken the kind of opposition "from with in", and yet refused to strike back as Troy. He has been a great suport and encourgement to me personally, and to the IAAP effort as a whole. These 2 men are to be highly prized and treasured, as friends, and enablers of IAAP. It would be almost impossible to have reached out as far as we have been able to with out their help, example, and encouragment. Any attack on either one will be considered an attack on IAAP.

reply from: faithman

http://i306.photobucket.com/al...alebkissingthebaby.jpg

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IMG_0580.jpg!!

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: yoda

If you proaborts would just quit cutting them up, we wouldn't have any more photos of them to show you.
Wouldn't that be nice?

reply from: yoda

My point is that if you proaborts would just quit cutting them up, we wouldn't have any more photos of cut up babies to show you.

reply from: sander

Yoda, since xen doesn't see any new photos, you think abortion has finally been stopped?
Or is she just not making any sense as per usual?

reply from: faithman

Bumkins be cute in that folksy kinda way.

reply from: faithman

It is a great day for personhood folks accross the land. Mark Crutcher just put IAAP on the life talk prograhm. I was also able to talk to IAAP friend, Troy Newman. He is talking about putting IAAP imagry on a truth truck. I have some money, so we may be helping to gitter done. This will be great with what is going on in Colorado. That would be the first tour of IAAP truth truck. We shall see. All in all, it was a very good day.

reply from: faithman

Hey, I finally got to see some of your photos..... great work! Looks like a group of fine people doing fine things!

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: faithman

Colorado is a hot bed of IAAP action. The posters were everywhere. We were also able to deliver 30,000 post card size tracts, and 2500 13 by 19 posters to the personhood amendment people. Major thanks to Missionaries to the preborn for dilevering the materials, as well as displaying the IAAP poster in several cities includding Denver. Major thank yous to all who contributed to make this posible. I bunked with Troy Newman in a Days Inn, and he also fed me in exchange for driving a truth truck. This was a real intra group effort. It was so good to see so many work together for the womb child.

reply from: nancyu

Precious package
Full of grace
Incandascent and so new
Whatever mortal sees http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
Will fall straightway in love
With you.

reply from: 4given

I AM A PERSON! Much appreciation for the materials.

reply from: nancyu

I found a new store in a city nearby called "Joyful Hope" At first I thought it was an ordinary religious gift shop. As I was looking through though, I found pro life message everywhere. I talked to the owner, she is a terrific person. She told me how she had come to open the shop. The mall manager offered her a rental price that was lower than what she had proposed. Her checkout counter was cluttered with everything pro life including fetal models and pro life art.
I gave her some I Am A Person Cards, and a sample of artwork that Witness sent to me, which she added to the clutter. She loved them, and she is most grateful and happy to display them.
Thank you, faithman, and thank you Witness.
I just found her website http://www.joyfulhopegifts.com/
She sells crocheted baby blankets, Witness. I left her with your website address hoping we'll get some more donations of baby blankets for you.

reply from: faithman

http://www.personhoodusa.com Here is the adress for the national Personhood folks. I hope to start getting more IAAP material to these folks. They love them, and are willing to put rubber to road in a big way. Thanks big time to all the IAAP folks. Take courage. The IAAP snow ball is growing, and gaining momentum. You might contact them to be a sponcer in your state. I believe they are putting a packet together for those interested.

reply from: nancyu

I visited with Maine Right to Life today. They have the I Am A Person poster displayed proudly in their office. The director told me that it is getting an extremely positive reaction, especially from young people who think the baby is "cute!" (He is cute, isn't he) The young people are getting it, and it is this next generation who is going to do away with all this RvW(ho?) nonsense!

reply from: CharlesD

Great site. Thanks for the link.

reply from: 4given

What material, if any did you use when active? What is your opinion on the IAAP material? Do you think it is better received by the general public? What signs, if any did you carry?

reply from: CharlesD

Years ago before I got into trucking, I was more active. Right to Life had some pamphlets with information on fetal development that I used. I was also active with Operation Rescue in the early 90s and spent a little time in the Gray Bar Hotel. I like the IAAP stuff because it thoroughly destroys the erroneous notion that a human being could ever not be a person. It reminds me of the Am I not a man and a brother? used by Wilberforce in the early 19th century.

reply from: faithman

Don't forget what this thred is about. I will send samples of IAAP material to those who request it. Just shoot me a snail mail by PM. There is a grass roots ground swell for personhood all across the land. With your help, IAAP has been a big part of that. It never could have been done without the hard work of IAAP field agents. If you would like to become one, just shoot me a PM. We will be more than glad to fix you up. Many thanks again to Mark and Danny, and all the Life dynamic folks who have provided this forum, and encouragment to our IAAP effort. Also many thanks to Troy Newman, and the real Operation Rescue, for helping us get the cards and posters to Colorado, and their endorsment on LIFE TALK. Many thank yous to Missionaries to the preborn, for distributing IAAP material In many states. Same goes for Colorado Right to Life, and the personhood amendment folks. They fully understand that we will win this by winning hearts. The elections will come. And many thank you's to all the side walk cousilors, who stand for the womb child day in and day out. IAAP was specificly designed for you. The reports of saved babies keeps us going. If you havent reported lately, please remember to do so. Your stories of saved lives encourages many to get involved. You can also now get IAAP material in bulk thru Missionaries to the Pre-born. We have provided their print guy with copyright permission, and they have the best prices on posters and cards. The cards have scripture on the back, or for a little extra for set up, you can have your own info printed on the back. If your group would like to have copy right permission, just click the address in my sig, and order the windows to the womb CD for $20. The CD contains full copy right. You can then design and construct your own material with the 19 beautiful images contained on it. This would make a great christmas gift to your CPC or PL organization. These images are just simply the most effect imagry I have ever used in 18 years of doing this. May the the Lord richly bless all your efforts in 2009. [Acts 4:23-31] Servant of the CHILD faithman

reply from: CharlesD

I arrived home from Chicago today and there was a packet awaiting me by the mailbox. It will be put to good use. Many thanks.

reply from: CharlesD

I've been home for the last few days for Christmas, but I will be back on the road after the new year and the materials will be going on the road with me. Coming soon to a truck stop near you. Updates to follow.

reply from: faithman

We had a very good day at the state ralley [Texas] for IAAP. We handed out several thousand cards, and several hundred 14 by 20 inch posters. The march turned into an IAAP march, as several held up the IAAP posters on the way to the steps of the capital. I have tried to find pictures on the net, but haven't yet. If anyone has IAAP pictures, please post a link here. It would be nice to see what others are doing.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No one wants to talk to Faithman so he just talks to himself. Unfortunately, he's already heard it all before.

reply from: faithman

If that were true, you wouldn't bother posting here. But alas...

reply from: LiberalChiRo

If I were talking to Faithman I suppose his comments would actually make sense, but seeing as I am not - I'm in fact addressing my fellow faux-lifers - his reactions are just amusing.

reply from: faithman

And your "reactions" are deadly to womb children. so your amusments are of little concern. Either coments make sense and stand on their own or they don't no matter who says them. And it is a testiment against your crowd that you would let your conflict with someones personality stop you from doing right. It shows that you are driven by emotion insted of principal. The emotionally driven are tossed around with double mindedness and self will. The principaled stand because it is right to do so, not because it may be popular.

reply from: faithman

And your "reactions" are deadly to womb children. so your amusments are of little concern. Either coments make sense and stand on their own or they don't no matter who says them. And it is a testiment against your crowd that you would let your conflict with someones personality stop you from doing right. It shows that you are driven by emotion insted of principal. The emotionally driven are tossed around with double mindedness and self will. The principaled stand because it is right to do so, not because it may be popular.

reply from: carolemarie

I find it sad that he supports murdering born people (abortion providers) and calls that just and can't see that he is just as prodeath as George Tiller. Faithboy just wants to say who dies.....
This attitude is the most damaging and outragous and dangerous to the prolife movement.

reply from: faithman

I find it sad that he supports murdering born people (abortion providers) and calls that just and can't see that he is just as prodeath as George Tiller. Faithboy just wants to say who dies.....
Once again you prove what a lying scanc you are. Useing force to protect the innocent never has, nor every will be considered murder, like you committed against three innocent persons. No matter how many times you tell the lie, will it make it true. I find it 10 times sadder than anyone one would consider a lying baby killing monster like you pro-life. Why don't you go try on some whore boots and bling, and leave this thred alone. It is for real pro-lifers, not death scum like you.
This attitude is the most damaging and outragous and dangerous to the prolife movement.

reply from: carolemarie

As always when you don't have an arguement you resort to personal attacks

reply from: nancyu

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: carolemarie

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
that is what I said...he has nothing to offer other than insults--I agree it will be a long wait till he comes up with an actual arguement

reply from: nancyu

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
that is what I said...he has nothing to offer other than insults--I agree it will be a long wait till he comes up with an actual arguement
THIS IS THE ARGUMENT>>>>>> http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
DO YOU HAVE ONE?

reply from: carolemarie

He likes the personhood legislation? That isn't an argument.
That is stating a preference for legislation.
I don't like that particular legislation.
That has nothing to do with the argument that abortion should be banned.

reply from: nancyu

No, his argument isn't that he likes personhood legislation. His argument is that an unborn child IS a PERSON.

reply from: nancyu

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
Where does this say anything about legislation?

reply from: carolemarie

I have no problem with that statement. So that isn't his argument.
His arguement is that he likes this legislation and anyone who disagrees is not prolife.

reply from: faithman

Anyone who truely believes that a womb child is a person, has no problem with acts of congress that backs that fact up. Only a self interest baby killer would try the semantical game of talking out of both sides of ones mouth. If you believe that the pre-borns are persons, then you will be for the quickest way to atribute that fact to them, not vow to fight it because future killers would have to meet the justic handed down by a jury of 12 citizens. You are not for personhood, and you are not pro-life. Now please quit mucking up this thred with your pro-death crap. This thred is for real pro-lifers.

reply from: faithman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMjpHnxswk

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I find it sad that he supports murdering born people (abortion providers) and calls that just and can't see that he is just as prodeath as George Tiller. Faithboy just wants to say who dies.....
This attitude is the most damaging and outragous and dangerous to the prolife movement.
He has nothing to contribute to this forum, unless he wants to take a deep breath and come down from the psycho soapbox he's on. He's ranting and raving, foaming at the mouth... and he's really not helping anyone.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

And your "reactions" are deadly to womb children.
How so?
I am pro-life DESPITE your stinky-cheese attitude. I definitely think it's a testament to my willpower and that of the "crowd" I am in that none of us have defected to the side of pro-choice.
My emotional will to care for the unborn and the woman drives me to remain pro-life despite your horrendous behavior.
You don't have any principles. Just hate.

reply from: 4given

Hopefully I will have somewhat of an update next week. A PP prayer siege is planned for midweek. *If the weather cooperates anyway* I will post if and when things happen. Thanks again for the I AM A PERSON posters and cards. The sticker is the only one thus far to survive the winter mix of snow, ice and salt. It will be nice to get active again.

reply from: faithman

HARK!!!! An actual prolife post from a real pro-life woman!!!! Kinda amazing you would accept material from a "woman hater". Thank you so much for doing real pro-life work in real time. And thank you fopr the Godly example of Proverbs 31 womanhood. It is refreshing to here the voice of a woman who has not betrayed sacred maternaty, and brags about dressing like a street walker. You are the example that needs to be followed, not a selfwilled baby killer, but a woman who dresses modestly, takes "ALLL" scripture seriously, Never uses pro-death rhetoric. And understands that Personhood is the key to stopping the crime of abortion against proborn humanity. I also apreciate that you don't speak out of bothsides of your mouth, depending on what you think people want to hear. It is a true blessing to have you in the personhood camp. Now if we could just get the pro-death scancs out of here....

reply from: faithman

HARK!!!! An actual prolife post from a real pro-life woman!!!! Kinda amazing you would accept material from a "woman hater". Thank you so much for doing real pro-life work in real time. And thank you fopr the Godly example of Proverbs 31 womanhood. It is refreshing to here the voice of a woman who has not betrayed sacred maternaty, and brags about dressing like a street walker. You are the example that needs to be followed, not a selfwilled baby killer, but a woman who dresses modestly, takes "ALLL" scripture seriously, Never uses pro-death rhetoric. And understands that Personhood is the key to stopping the crime of abortion against proborn humanity. I also apreciate that you don't speak out of bothsides of your mouth, depending on what you think people want to hear. It is a true blessing to have you in the personhood camp. Now if we could just get the pro-death scancs out of here....

reply from: yoda

Carole says it looks like a blob to her.....

reply from: faithman

Carole says it looks like a blob to her.....
"legisation" is a pretensious strawman. There is absolutly nothing in the Life at conception act about punishment, as CM supposes. And quite truthfully, rightly so. Every state has due process already on the books. What LACA does, is make sure those laws cover the pre-born person, and says that you can not kill a womb child without due process. She is playing the ole borthead trick of pulling something out of thin air, and making a case where there is none. Kinda like Roe itself. Personhood ends it. If one is truely pro-life, they know this, and will not stop fighting until it is acomplished no matter what legisation gets us there. The womb child is a Person. Our laws should reflect that.

reply from: yoda

That's exactly what it is. She's using that strawman as an excuse to hide behind.

reply from: Shenanigans

Cool. I like your hat.
Hey... no disrespect, but have you ever dressed up as Santa?

reply from: yoda

Oh yeah...... but I got run over by a reindeer....

reply from: SRUW4I5

Thanks for the info. I might get that.

reply from: faithman

Thanks for the info. I might get that.
Love the site in your sig. Every teen girl should have to read it as a part of there class work at school.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Thanks for the info. I might get that.
Love the site in your sig. Every teen girl should have to read it as a part of there class work at school.
Thanks. I like that site, too. It's a good site for sexually active women and girls to visit.

reply from: CharlesD

I look like a blob too, but I'm still a person.

reply from: faithman

I look like a blob too, but I'm still a person.
snicker....

reply from: faithman

I look like a blob too, but I'm still a person.
snicker....

reply from: Yuuki

I look like a blob too, but I'm still a person.
"You need to get in shape."
"Round is a shape!"

reply from: yoda

I look like a blob too, but I'm still a person.
Was your father a rapist? If so, then you shouldn't be alive.....

reply from: nancyu

From epm.org
54 Babies
Posted in: Standing for Life
By George F. Will
CHINO HILLS, Calif.: Where Route 71 crosses over Payton Drive, at the bottom of the steeply sloping embankment, two boys, who were playing nearby, found the boxes. The boys bicycled home and said they had found boxes of "babies."
Do not be impatient with the imprecision of their language. They have not read the opposite Supreme Court opinions. So when they stumbled on the boxes stuffed with 54 fetuses, which looked a lot like babies, they jumped to conclusions. Besides, young boys are apt to believe their eyes rather than the Supreme Court.
The first count came to a lot less than 54. Forgive the counters' imprecision. Many fetuses had been dismembered-hands, arms, legs, heads jumbled together-by the abortionist's vigor. An accurate count required a lot of sorting out.
The fetuses had been dumped here, about 30 miles east of Los Angeles, on March 14, 1997, by a trucker who may not have known what the Los Angeles abortion clinic had hired him to dispose of. He later served 71 days in jail for the improper disposal of medical waste. Society must be strict about its important standards.
What local authorities dealt with as a problem of solid waste disposal struck a few local residents as rather more troubling than that. They started talking to each other, and one thing led to another, and to the formation of Cradles of Love, which had the modest purpose of providing a burial for the 54 babies.
The members of Cradles of Love-just a few normal walking-around middle-class Americans-called them babies, and still do. These people are opposed to abortion, in spite of the Supreme Court's assurance in 1973 that abortions end only "potential life." (Twenty-five years later the Supreme Court has not yet explained how a life that is merely "potential" can be ended.)
Some will say the members of Cradles of Love, who are churchgoers, have been unduly influenced by theology. Or perhaps the real culprit is biology. It teaches that after the DNA of the sperm fuse with those of the ovum a new and unique DNA complex is formed that directs the growth of the organism. It soon is called a fetus, which takes in nourishment and converts it to energy through its own distinct, unique organic functioning, and very soon it looks a lot like a baby.
Anyway, theology or biology or maybe their eyes told the members of Cradles of Love that there were some babies in need of burials. So they asked the coroner to give them the fetuses. Then the American Civil Liberties Union was heard from.
It professed itself scandalized by this threat to . . . what? The ACLU frequently works itself into lathers of anxiety about threats to the separation of church and state. It is difficult, however, to identify any person whose civil liberties were going to be menaced if the fetuses were (these are the ACLU's words) "released to the church groups for the express purpose of holding religious services." The ACLU said it opposed "facilitation" of services by a public official.
The ACLU's attack on the constitutionally protected right to the free exercise of religion failed to intimidate, and in October the babies were buried in a plot provided at no charge by a cemetery in nearby Riverside.
Each baby was given a name by a participating church group. Each name was engraved on a brass plate that was affixed to each of the 54 small, white, wooden caskets made, at no charge, by a volunteer who took three days off from work to do it. Fifty clergy and four persons active in the right-to-life movement carried the caskets. Each baby's name is inscribed on a large headstone, also provided at no charge. Fifty-four doves, provided at no charge by the cemetery, were released at the services.
The ACLU trembled for the Constitution.
We hear much about the few "extremists" in the right-to-life movement. But the vast majority of the movement's members are like the kindly, peaceable people here, who were minding their own business until some of the results of the abortion culture tumbled down a roadside embankment and into their lives.
Which is not to say that this episode was untainted by ugly extremism. It would be nice if the media, which are nothing if not diligent in documenting and deploring right-to-life extremism, could bring themselves to disapprove the extremism of the ACLU, which here attempted a bullying nastiness unredeemed by any connection to a civic purpose.

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reply from: faithman

Don't forget what this thred is about. I will send samples of IAAP material to those who request it. Just shoot me a snail mail by PM. There is a grass roots ground swell for personhood all across the land. With your help, IAAP has been a big part of that. It never could have been done without the hard work of IAAP field agents. If you would like to become one, just shoot me a PM. We will be more than glad to fix you up. Many thanks again to Mark and Danny, and all the Life dynamic folks who have provided this forum, and encouragment to our IAAP effort. Also many thanks to Troy Newman, and the real Operation Rescue, for helping us get the cards and posters to Colorado, and their endorsment on LIFE TALK. Many thank yous to Missionaries to the preborn, for distributing IAAP material In many states. Same goes for Colorado Right to Life, and the personhood amendment folks. They fully understand that we will win this by winning hearts. The elections will come. And many thank you's to all the side walk cousilors, who stand for the womb child day in and day out. IAAP was specificly designed for you. The reports of saved babies keeps us going. If you havent reported lately, please remember to do so. Your stories of saved lives encourages many to get involved. You can also now get IAAP material in bulk thru Missionaries to the Pre-born. We have provided their print guy with copyright permission, and they have the best prices on posters and cards. The cards have scripture on the back, or for a little extra for set up, you can have your own info printed on the back. If your group would like to have copy right permission, just click the address in my sig, and order the windows to the womb CD for $20. The CD contains full copy right. You can then design and construct your own material with the 19 beautiful images contained on it. This would make a great christmas gift to your CPC or PL organization. These images are just simply the most effect imagry I have ever used in 18 years of doing this. May the the Lord richly bless all your efforts in 2009. [Acts 4:23-31] Servant of the CHILD faithman

reply from: Shenanigans

Carole says it looks like a blob to her.....
Yeah.
And she called me blind!!

reply from: faithman

Don't forget what this thred is about. I will send samples of IAAP material to those who request it. Just shoot me a snail mail by PM. There is a grass roots ground swell for personhood all across the land. With your help, IAAP has been a big part of that. It never could have been done without the hard work of IAAP field agents. If you would like to become one, just shoot me a PM. We will be more than glad to fix you up. Many thanks again to Mark and Danny, and all the Life dynamic folks who have provided this forum, and encouragment to our IAAP effort. Also many thanks to Troy Newman, and the real Operation Rescue, for helping us get the cards and posters to Colorado, and their endorsment on LIFE TALK. Many thank yous to Missionaries to the preborn, for distributing IAAP material In many states. Same goes for Colorado Right to Life, and the personhood amendment folks. They fully understand that we will win this by winning hearts. The elections will come. And many thank you's to all the side walk cousilors, who stand for the womb child day in and day out. IAAP was specificly designed for you. The reports of saved babies keeps us going. If you havent reported lately, please remember to do so. Your stories of saved lives encourages many to get involved. You can also now get IAAP material in bulk thru Missionaries to the Pre-born. We have provided their print guy with copyright permission, and they have the best prices on posters and cards. The cards have scripture on the back, or for a little extra for set up, you can have your own info printed on the back. If your group would like to have copy right permission, just click the address in my sig, and order the windows to the womb CD for $20. The CD contains full copy right. You can then design and construct your own material with the 19 beautiful images contained on it. This would make a great christmas gift to your CPC or PL organization. These images are just simply the most effect imagry I have ever used in 18 years of doing this. May the the Lord richly bless all your efforts in 2009. [Acts 4:23-31] Servant of the CHILD faithman

reply from: faithman

Lookin' good Yoda! Love the poster.

reply from: yoda

Must be time for a bump......

reply from: faithman

Couldn't have said it better myself.

reply from: faithman

Lookin' good Yoda! Love the poster.

reply from: faithman

http://personhood.net/docs/Conforming%20to%20the%20Rule%20of%20Law%20-%20Georgetown.pdf It fully shows why roe should be over turned by the use of the 14th amendment, and an act of congress.

reply from: faithman

HARK!!!! An actual prolife post from a real pro-life woman!!!! Kinda amazing you would accept material from a "woman hater". Thank you so much for doing real pro-life work in real time. And thank you fopr the Godly example of Proverbs 31 womanhood. It is refreshing to here the voice of a woman who has not betrayed sacred maternaty, and brags about dressing like a street walker. You are the example that needs to be followed, not a selfwilled baby killer, but a woman who dresses modestly, takes "ALLL" scripture seriously, Never uses pro-death rhetoric. And understands that Personhood is the key to stopping the crime of abortion against proborn humanity. I also apreciate that you don't speak out of bothsides of your mouth, depending on what you think people want to hear. It is a true blessing to have you in the personhood camp. Now if we could just get the pro-death scancs out of here....

reply from: nancyu

HARK!!!! An actual prolife post from a real pro-life woman!!!! Kinda amazing you would accept material from a "woman hater". Thank you so much for doing real pro-life work in real time. And thank you fopr the Godly example of Proverbs 31 womanhood. It is refreshing to here the voice of a woman who has not betrayed sacred maternaty, and brags about dressing like a street walker. You are the example that needs to be followed, not a selfwilled baby killer, but a woman who dresses modestly, takes "ALLL" scripture seriously, Never uses pro-death rhetoric. And understands that Personhood is the key to stopping the crime of abortion against proborn humanity. I also apreciate that you don't speak out of bothsides of your mouth, depending on what you think people want to hear. It is a true blessing to have you in the personhood camp. Now if we could just get the pro-death scancs out of here....

reply from: nancyu

Where is faithman?
I'm so clonesome I could cry.

reply from: faithman

HARK!!!! An actual prolife post from a real pro-life woman!!!! Kinda amazing you would accept material from a "woman hater". Thank you so much for doing real pro-life work in real time. And thank you fopr the Godly example of Proverbs 31 womanhood. It is refreshing to here the voice of a woman who has not betrayed sacred maternaty, and brags about dressing like a street walker. You are the example that needs to be followed, not a selfwilled baby killer, but a woman who dresses modestly, takes "ALLL" scripture seriously, Never uses pro-death rhetoric. And understands that Personhood is the key to stopping the crime of abortion against proborn humanity. I also apreciate that you don't speak out of bothsides of your mouth, depending on what you think people want to hear. It is a true blessing to have you in the personhood camp. Now if we could just get the pro-death scancs out of here....

reply from: faithman

It's a nice dream, unfortunately Congress is not empowered to interpret the Constitution, and must abide by it as it is interpreted by the SCOTUS, which means the RvW decision can not be "overturned by Congress." Only the SCOTUS itself can reverse a SCOTUS decision on Constitutionality.
Our best hope is a Constitutional Amendment recognizing the unborn as human beings and granting them the basic human rights all other human beings take for granted.
The IAAP materials are as good a way as any to call attention to the issue and help garner support for such an amendment.
Once again the monkey boy shows either he is stupid, or a SUBVERSIVE. You are absolutely wrong on this, as it is the congresses job to keep the court between the 4 corners of the constitution as laid out in article 3 section 2 of the constitution. All that is needed is an act of congress, as even the very language of roe conceeds to. As long as you post this false crap, I will refute it. It does not take an act of the court to over turn the unconstitutional actions of the court. It is your insistance of posting this false information, even though you have been proven wrong over and over again, that proves you are a phony. but narssasistic jerks just can't help themselves I suppose.

reply from: faithman

It's a nice dream, unfortunately Congress is not empowered to interpret the Constitution, and must abide by it as it is interpreted by the SCOTUS, which means the RvW decision can not be "overturned by Congress." Only the SCOTUS itself can reverse a SCOTUS decision on Constitutionality.
Our best hope is a Constitutional Amendment recognizing the unborn as human beings and granting them the basic human rights all other human beings take for granted.
The IAAP materials are as good a way as any to call attention to the issue and help garner support for such an amendment.
Once again the monkey boy shows either he is stupid, or a SUBVERSIVE. You are absolutely wrong on this, as it is the congresses job to keep the court between the 4 corners of the constitution as laid out in article 3 section 2 of the constitution. All that is needed is an act of congress, as even the very language of roe conceeds to. As long as you post this false crap, I will refute it. It does not take an act of the court to over turn the unconstitutional actions of the court. It is your insistance of posting this false information, even though you have been proven wrong over and over again, that proves you are a phony. but narssasistic jerks just can't help themselves I suppose.
A simple denial and some rude and chiuldish attempts to be insulting to do not constitute refuting an argument. We've had this discussion before, Fboy. I have explained why I must insist that you and others are clinging to false hopes in this case, and are being unrealistic. Congress can not make a law that defies our Constitution, and the SCOTUS are the ones who are charged with deciding issues of constitutionality. They have the last word on that whether we like it or not. Our representatives understand this, even if you do not, and any proposed bill that obviously will not pass constitutional muster dies in committee without ever making it to the floor for discussion, much less a vote.
If we insist our representatives continue to propose bills intended to legally declare the unborn to be "persons," they will do so in order to stay in office, but that doesn't mean they don't fully understand the futility of doing so. Not one such proposed bill has ever made it out of committee, no, not one, and there is a reason why this is so.
Don't shoot the messenger here. Despite our mutual dislike for each other, we are on the same side, and it certainly does not please me that things are as they are. I simply see no point in denying reality.
Like I said, the IAAP material is as good a way as any (better than some), so keep doing what you are doing. It's going to take a constitutional amendment to prohibit elective abortion unless the SCOTUS reverses itself, and a reversal is so unlikely as to be a near impossibilty, so it is crucial to our cause to sway public opinion in favor of an amendment, and I believe IAAP works toward that end. It would be better if you were more realistic, but the material, fortunately, speaks for itself as to the true nature of the unborn human being, which in turn should make the public more receptive to the necessary changes.
Here's an amusing anecdote for you. I got a PM last night from a lurker who offered me encouragement, and the funny part was that she assumed I was a Christian and you were not after reading the last few posts on this thread! Isn't that ironic?
This is where you are totally wrong. I have posted over and over again, with several links to the facts that what I am saying is totally constitutional. It does not take the court to over turn a ruling. The congress most assuredly has the power to do so, particularly when the ruling itself is unconstitutional. article 3 section 2 of the constitution gives congress the authority to act., as well as the 5th section of the 14th amendment. No amendment is nessisary, because the constitution, as well as the very language of roe itself gives congress the authority to act. The court does not have the "final word" on constitutionality. We the people do. You are denying reality, and have posted nothing but your opinion, while I have posted over and over again, the reality of what our founding documents actually say, and the most expediant way to constitutionally put the slaughter to an end. We are not on the "same side" as you are a phony, and the deadly enemy to the womb child. Why dont you keep your monkey boy phony but off my thred. Your phony crap is a distraction from real pro-life work, and full of false information that has kept abortion on demand legal for over three decades. Punks like you are the problem, not the cure. And the reason the life at conception act does not make it out of commitee, is because pro-aborts legislators know it is constitutional, and fight it to keep it there. Your the punk who is unrealistic. An ammendment is almost as hard as the court over ruling itself, and takes years to pass, as well as puts the whole constitution in danger of being done away with all together . A simply act of congress could take only weeks. You are wrong, but are to big a narsasictic butt nuggett to admit it.

reply from: faithman

Not exactly. We are all bound by the Constitution as interpreted by the SCOTUS, including Congress, but provisions were made within the document for us to amend it as we see fit....
We are bound by the constitution as it stands, Not as "entrepreted" by the court. The court bows to the document as well. the court can only uphold what congress passes into law. Congress tells the court what to do, not the other way around. "with regulations, and exceptions that the congress shall make".

reply from: faithman

HARK!!!! An actual prolife post from a real pro-life woman!!!! Kinda amazing you would accept material from a "woman hater". Thank you so much for doing real pro-life work in real time. And thank you fopr the Godly example of Proverbs 31 womanhood. It is refreshing to here the voice of a woman who has not betrayed sacred maternaty, and brags about dressing like a street walker. You are the example that needs to be followed, not a selfwilled baby killer, but a woman who dresses modestly, takes "ALLL" scripture seriously, Never uses pro-death rhetoric. And understands that Personhood is the key to stopping the crime of abortion against proborn humanity. I also apreciate that you don't speak out of bothsides of your mouth, depending on what you think people want to hear. It is a true blessing to have you in the personhood camp. Now if we could just get the pro-death scancs out of here....

reply from: faithman

So you think Congress can reinstate slavery, abolish abortion, and take away a woman's right to vote if they want? OOOOOOKAY..... I think somebody dozed off quite a bit in civics class!
I see a low life dirt bag punk has not lost the curse of twisting someones words into something they never said, and you also ignore the facts of government as laid out in the constitution. You arte a dispicable phony, and the deadly enemy of womb life. Anyone who can not see that are the one who are asleep. Blather on maggot. I don't write for idiots like you anyway. I just post to counter act the lies you tell. Just stay off this thread baby killer. We really do not need your lies and misdirection hear.

reply from: faithman

So you think Congress can reinstate slavery, abolish abortion, and take away a woman's right to vote if they want? OOOOOOKAY..... I think somebody dozed off quite a bit in civics class!
I see a low life dirt bag punk has not lost the curse of twisting someones words into something they never said, and you also ignore the facts of government as laid out in the constitution. You arte a dispicable phony, and the deadly enemy of womb life. Anyone who can not see that are the one who are asleep. Blather on maggot. I don't write for idiots like you anyway. I just post to counter act the lies you tell. Just stay off this thread baby killer. We really do not need your lies and misdirection hear.
LOL! Now there's the phony Christian moron we have all come to know and love!
Bump for IAAP! It works despite the trash that sometimes promotes it! Yay!
The only trash here is you and your borthead buddies.

reply from: faithman

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: yoda

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
There is no better argument for the unborn. They ARE people, and they DO deserve the same considerations as born people.

reply from: Yuuki

So you think Congress can reinstate slavery, abolish abortion, and take away a woman's right to vote if they want? OOOOOOKAY..... I think somebody dozed off quite a bit in civics class!
I see a low life dirt bag punk has not lost the curse of twisting someones words into something they never said, and you also ignore the facts of government as laid out in the constitution. You arte a dispicable phony, and the deadly enemy of womb life. Anyone who can not see that are the one who are asleep. Blather on maggot. I don't write for idiots like you anyway. I just post to counter act the lies you tell. Just stay off this thread baby killer. We really do not need your lies and misdirection hear.
Oh ProInformed... Why aren't you reporting this abuse?

reply from: nancyu

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
There is no better argument for the unborn. They ARE people, and they DO deserve the same considerations as born people.

reply from: faithman

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
There is no better argument for the unborn. They ARE people, and they DO deserve the same considerations as born people.

reply from: faithman

Faithman has an argument. We'll be waiting a long, LONG time for a better one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
There is no better argument for the unborn. They ARE people, and they DO deserve the same considerations as born people.

reply from: faithman

To view one of the most powerful pro-life images anywhere, http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: iCelebr8Life

I agree that this is so far my favorite pro-life poster.

reply from: faithman

I still have some left for anyone who would like a copy.

reply from: faithman

I still have some left for anyone who would like a copy.

reply from: faithman

I still have some left for anyone who would like a copy.

reply from: nancyu

Couldn't have said it better myself.

reply from: nancyu

Couldn't have said it better myself.

reply from: faithman

Still have a few posters for those who would like one.

reply from: faithman

Still have a few posters for those who would like one.
This is the best hope of ending this peacfully, and difusing folks like Scott Roeder. Those who use bloody abortion pictures have no room to condemn him. It is imagry like that which provokes men to take action.

reply from: faithman

Still have a few posters for those who would like one.
This is the best hope of ending this peacfully, and difusing folks like Scott Roeder. Those who use bloody abortion pictures have no room to condemn him. It is imagry like that which provokes men to take action.

reply from: yoda

One good bump deserves another..............

reply from: CDC700

I'll be headed to the PO box tomorrow to see if it has arrived, maybe it can make it 90 miles overnight???

reply from: faithman

Give it at least 2 days. three is more like it. But you never know.

reply from: yoda

Did it get there yet?

reply from: faithman

Wonder if the mail got in yet?

reply from: CDC700

I got them yesterday! My four year old was with me when they came in. He had a great time learning about how babies grow inside their mommies, and that he looked just like the baby in the pictures when he was in mommy's tummy. He asked where that baby was now so I told him he was all grown up and living with his family.

reply from: faithman

That is the most powerful thing about these pictures. It educates even the very young in very positive ways. Thanks for posting. You are just added proof as to the power of IAAP.

reply from: CDC700

That is the most powerful thing about these pictures. It educates even the very young in very positive ways. Thanks for posting. You are just added proof as to the power of IAAP.
Yeah, he really liked his ultrasound from 20 weeks too. I wouldn't know how to explain to him that he wasn't a baby yet at that point.....

reply from: faithman

That is the most powerful thing about these pictures. It educates even the very young in very positive ways. Thanks for posting. You are just added proof as to the power of IAAP.
Yeah, he really liked his ultrasound from 20 weeks too. I wouldn't know how to explain to him that he wasn't a baby yet at that point.....
So simple even a 4 year old gets it. Its a baby. Only a borthead scanc would pretend otherwise....

reply from: faithman

That is the most powerful thing about these pictures. It educates even the very young in very positive ways. Thanks for posting. You are just added proof as to the power of IAAP.
Yeah, he really liked his ultrasound from 20 weeks too. I wouldn't know how to explain to him that he wasn't a baby yet at that point.....
So simple even a 4 year old gets it. Its a baby. Only a borthead scanc would pretend otherwise....

reply from: CDC700

You can learn a lot from a 4 year old!

reply from: faithman

particularly when they are as wise as your's....

reply from: faithman

particularly when they are as wise as your's....

reply from: faithman

Out of cards, but still have posters. If you would like some let me know.

reply from: sander

I am a person:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm

reply from: CDC700

That's a great picture!

reply from: faithman

How dare you women hating exstremist post the truth. You might confuse some poor dear, and they won't slaughter their "disgenic" child!!!!

reply from: sander

HA! I even "dare" to post this truth!
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm

reply from: faithman

HA! I even "dare" to post this truth!
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm

Anybody can see that is just a blob of tissue, ya baby loving morron!!!! [I can say that, because I be one too...snicker]

reply from: sander

HA! I even "dare" to post this truth!
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm
">http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm
Anybody can see that is just a blob of tissue, ya baby loving morron!!!! [I can say that, because I be one too...snicker]
What a darling "blob"....aww, I'm so glad God thought up babies!
Check out this darling angel:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/27weeks.htm

reply from: faithman

HA! I even "dare" to post this truth!
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm
">http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm
Anybody can see that is just a blob of tissue, ya baby loving morron!!!! [I can say that, because I be one too...snicker]
What a darling "blob"....aww, I'm so glad God thought up babies!
Check out this darling angel:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/27weeks.htm
You meany!!!! Terrorist!!!!!! How dare you want that clump of cells protected from evil aggression!!!!!!!!! Y killer carole has instructed us, that this clump is on a lower level than Tiller the ex-baby killer. [who is currently in forced retirement]

reply from: sander

HA! I even "dare" to post this truth!
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/25weeks.htm
<br ">http://www.lifeissues....ltras....htm
Anybody can see that is just a blob of tissue, ya baby loving morron!!!! [I can say that, because I be one too...snicker]
What a darling "blob"....aww, I'm so glad God thought up babies!
Check out this darling angel:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/27weeks.htm
You meany!!!! Terrorist!!!!!! How dare you want that clump of cells protected from evil aggression!!!!!!!!! Y killer carole has instructed us, that this clump is on a lower level than Tiller the ex-baby killer. [who is currently in forced retirement]
Sir, you force my hand.
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/33weeks.htm

This is the level that tiller murdered and made his bloodied fortune.
I don't think he's enjoying his "retirement" or that bloodied fortune.

reply from: Rosalie

Hello, little persons. Nope, you still don't have the right to use my body and bodily resources against my will. No person has the right to do that to another person.

reply from: CDC700

"Hello, nasty b i tch, we the little people don't want to be in your body. It's filled with evil and there's no room for love"

reply from: Rosalie

"Hello, nasty b i tch, we the little people don't want to be in your body. It's filled with evil and there's no room for love"
That's the funniest and the stupidest thing I have heard in the past month.
CONGRATS to you.

reply from: yoda

Wow...... Rosalie thinks that she can talk to the little one before she kills it and that makes everything all right.

reply from: faithman

They do react to sound you know. What a horror it must be to hears this harpy's shreek. Kinda like what we feel everytime it posts, except we get to live thru it, but just barely!!!

reply from: sander

rosalie would have made a good little nazi. She must drool with envy when she sees pics of the death camps....

reply from: faithman

The kind people who have given us this free forum, have poured their very lives, and treasure into a powerful documentary called MAAFA 21. I believe the cost is going to be $20. Please seriously consider buying a copy, as well as sending what you can for copies to others. Life talk had several clips from it, and from just what I saw, It will be one of the most powerful projects in pro-life history. Do what you can. We owe MC3 so much, and could never hope to repay his kindness and suport for IAAP. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider this request, and do what you can for this project.

reply from: faithman

The kind people who have given us this free forum, have poured their very lives, and treasure into a powerful documentary called MAAFA 21. I believe the cost is going to be $20. Please seriously consider buying a copy, as well as sending what you can for copies to others. Life talk had several clips from it, and from just what I saw, It will be one of the most powerful projects in pro-life history. Do what you can. We owe MC3 so much, and could never hope to repay his kindness and suport for IAAP. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider this request, and do what you can for this project.

reply from: yoda

Bump, just because I think spitwaddy might not like it........

reply from: yoda

Bump, because it makes spitwaddy mad.......

reply from: yoda

Locally, there has been a case in the news that has disturbed me. Is seems that the Law Director of Knox County, TN, has confessed (and partially paid back) some money he stole from his former law firm. But when asked if he planned to resign his position, his answer was an emphatic "NO".
And he's hanging on as tightly as he can, even in the face of a unanamous vote of the County Commission (the governing body) to ask for his resignation. Ouster proceedings will follow, I'm sure, but they will take some time.
What bothers me so much about this situation is the appearance that he thinks that our moral standards have fallen so low that even a confessed theif can hang onto an elected public office. In other words, he thinks that being a criminal and holding public office is no longer incompatable.
Now, I can't prove that is his reason for not resigning, but it strikes me as one possibility. So, if that is what he's thinking, is he right? Have our society's moral standards fallen that low, that he actually had a chance of holding on to his office?
And is the abortion culture the cause of this decline, or just a symptom?

reply from: faithman

http://maafa21.com/

reply from: Rosalie

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
http://elections.7rooz.com/link/330/ http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4451899 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.

reply from: faithman

http://maafa21.com/

reply from: yoda

Bump to raise spitwaddy's blood pressure......

reply from: Rosalie

Bump, just to irritate those who don't give a damn that born, feeling, suffering people are being killed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
http://elections.7rooz.com/link/330/ http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4451899 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.
http://irosalieblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/where-is-their-vote-and-why-you-should_6576.html

reply from: nancyu

National Geographic In the Womb Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsGrhXjOoPo&feature=channel_page

reply from: faithman

Daniel Holman #00361460 ;;;;;;;;;;
Oakland County Jail;;;;;;;;;;;
P.O. Box 436017;;;;;;;;;;;
Pontiac, MI 48343;;;;;;;;;
Please keep our dear freind, IAAP field agent Dan Holman in prayer. And please write him a note. He has found himself behind bars in the above address.

reply from: faithman

Haven't been able to make cards lately, but still have posters. Also have computer CD's. Contack me by PM for info.

reply from: nancyu

Blood pressure??? Spinwiddy has blood pressure? Come on Yoda, you know better than that...

reply from: sander

Blood pressure??? Spinwiddy has blood pressure? Come on Yoda, you know better than that...
As with all proaborts, that's ice flowing in those varicose veins.

reply from: yoda

Bump, to raise spitwaddy's ice water pressure.......

reply from: faithman

Shooting for steam are we?

reply from: yoda

Exactly....... might be able to iron some clothes......

reply from: faithman

For an abortionist early retirement party?

reply from: yoda

Leroy looks like he could use something to straighten out his wrinkles....

reply from: faithman

Plugged in lamp cord in a bucket of foot bath water would work.

reply from: faithman

Bumpalation to the borthead nation!!

reply from: yoda

A large cross moving gang showed up today, and successfully transported the Crosses for the Unborn display to south Knox County. In fact, the group was so big that it only took a couple hours to do the whole thing, and that included some remedial post sleeves work at the church they were moved from. The guys are getting better at this!
And progress was made on solving the "Now where did we leave those sleeves?" problem. Greg brought his new "walk around" GPS device, and was able to give us pretty precise coordinates for the sign, which should making finding the sleeves much easier in the future. Nice work, Greg!
photos: http://www.abortionknoxville.com/7309crossmoving.html

reply from: faithman

Check out blue text, and pm me for a sample.

reply from: Yuuki

I make arts too, but it's not big enough to make a sign out of...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2900/babyvgt.jpg

reply from: faithman

I make arts too, but it's not big enough to make a sign out of...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2900/babyvgt.jpg
WOW!!!! Just WOW!!! I love it!!! You should send it to a print shop. I am sure they can make a poster out of it. That image has potential to save thousands!!!

reply from: Yuuki

I make arts too, but it's not big enough to make a sign out of...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2900/babyvgt.jpg
WOW!!!! Just WOW!!! I love it!!! You should send it to a print shop. I am sure they can make a poster out of it. That image has potential to save thousands!!!
Thank you Faithman ^^ I'm a little humbled by the thought of doing that.

reply from: faithman

I make arts too, but it's not big enough to make a sign out of...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2900/babyvgt.jpg
WOW!!!! Just WOW!!! I love it!!! You should send it to a print shop. I am sure they can make a poster out of it. That image has potential to save thousands!!!
Thank you Faithman ^^ I'm a little humbled by the thought of doing that.
Yada yada yada..... Now that we got all the back slapping out of the way, Let's get this out to the folks on the live. You might consider an E-mail campain. This would make a great image for folks to include on emails to senators and such. Could also print it out as a letter head for snail mail messages to the same. I am sure if you gave personhood folks permission to use it, they could copy and paste it from this site, and distribute it around the globe. This is a positive image, that we can use to take positive action.

reply from: Yuuki

Hm, I think it could be the right size for things like that. And yes, in email it would work great. How do I contact the "personhood people"?

reply from: faithman

Type Personhood USA into a search engine. Personhood Mississippi is another.

reply from: faithman

I make arts too, but it's not big enough to make a sign out of...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2900/babyvgt.jpg
WOW!!!! Just WOW!!! I love it!!! You should send it to a print shop. I am sure they can make a poster out of it. That image has potential to save thousands!!!
Thank you Faithman ^^ I'm a little humbled by the thought of doing that.
Yada yada yada..... Now that we got all the back slapping out of the way, Let's get this out to the folks on the live. You might consider an E-mail campain. This would make a great image for folks to include on emails to senators and such. Could also print it out as a letter head for snail mail messages to the same. I am sure if you gave personhood folks permission to use it, they could copy and paste it from this site, and distribute it around the globe. This is a positive image, that we can use to take positive action.

reply from: DSchmidt

Help! An Abortion Dr Moved to Our Town!!! Please tell him we will NOT tolerate his anti-life views in our own backyard!!! Forward to all you know and tell this man he is a MURDERER!!!
ABORTION DR ALERT
Jacob M. Wolf, MD
Powell Family Medicine
4141 North Hampton Drive
Powell, OH 43065
Phone: (614) 764-0200
Fax: (614) 764-2782

reply from: yoda

That's not really what we're here for, DSchmidt.
We're here to debate the morality of elective abortion, not to keep abortions out of anyone's town.
Not to mention, we know nothing about this "abortion doctor" as you call him.

reply from: Yuuki

I agree that it's fishy, but why shouldn't we take action?

reply from: yoda

Umm.... because the only information we have is the tiny little post from an anonymous poster?
Could that be reason enough?

reply from: Yuuki

Umm.... because the only information we have is the tiny little post from an anonymous poster?
Could that be reason enough?
I meant if we knew of a valid case.

reply from: faithman

Might not hurt to send an IAAP message to the address.

reply from: faithman

Might not hurt to send an IAAP message to the address.

reply from: faithman

Will be trying to make a new batch of cards soon. But still have free posters upon request.

reply from: faithman

Thanks for the info, and you are exactly right. Office depot has been a little more friendly in making copies. You might try to find a print shop owned by a pro-lifer. We have a man who makes them into post card size tracts for a nickel a piece if you order 20,ooo. We are collecting money for another run if you would like to chip in. would be glad to share.
You can check out the image by clicking my sig. You can then copy and paste the image, and put it into emails, save it in a picture file, use it for an advitar. You might also be able to email it to a print shop, and have posters made up. This picture is a real baby saver.

reply from: yoda

What? You mean that YOU are the "anonymous source"?

reply from: 4given

Thinking of you brother. Thankful for the material.
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.
Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long;
this is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long.
2. Perfect submission, perfect delight,
visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
angels descending bring from above
echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
(Refrain)
3. Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
watching and waiting, looking above,
filled with his goodness, lost in his love.
(Refrain)
Hoping you know how to play this. In my head and on my heart.

reply from: nancyu

http://personhoodfl.com/
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: fetalisa

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue3452.html
So our courts CLEARLY recognize that embryos are PROPERTY, but you can persist in whatever fantasy you wish that the unborn are somehow 'persons.' You certainly won't be the first in DENIAL OF REALITY.

reply from: faithman

Working on getting more material produced. Click sig to see it. Will be glad to fix up a care package for those who request it by PM.

reply from: nancyu

http://all.org/images/pro-life%20pumpkin_166x166.jpg

reply from: nancyu

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/03/bethanys_baby.html

reply from: nancyu

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Imaginary

*stares at picture*
It's a fetus. And I still think they're ugly. Can't help it.
I'll never understand people who go "Ooooooh, baby!!!!" at an ultrasound.

reply from: nancyu

You are ugly. Therefore it is legal to kill you.

reply from: Imaginary

*yawn* You guys have the most ridiculous ideas.
It is legal to abort a fetus, but not because its ugly. If killing because of ugliness ever became legal, then we'd have a huge problem, because everyone has a different definition. And a fetus classifies as ugly with me.
Besides, I merely stated that I deem that blob to be ugly. I never said "LOL Imma abort it liek rite nao!".

reply from: nancyu

How do you feel about the golden rule? Haved you ever heard of it?
Would you enjoy being dismembered? poisoned? or sucked into a garbage disposal?

reply from: Imaginary

The dismembering you're talking about happens with 3rd semester abortions. I only support those in cases where the mother's life is in danger. Poison isn't all that common either. As for the sucking, I've never been sucked in something, so I have no clue. However, since the fetus doesn't feel pain yet, I guess it can't be all that bad. Save for the fact that it can't develop anymore and all that.
I have heard about the Golden Rule, yet I gotta admit I'm not sure what it means. Feel free to enlighten me.

reply from: saucie

No, even the earlier babies get dis-membered. Would you like to be sucked up with a giant machine and see how many body parts come loose?
Those abortionists who have to get the little parts put back together would be surprised there's no dis-membering going on.

reply from: saucie

That's simply because someone lied to you and gave you a dim view of life.
That can be helped....if you actually wanted to help it.

reply from: nancyu

Huh, I clicked the link then from there I clicked the ALL link and clicked another link and found this gem. Bozo, you should read it.
http://ricatholic.sprintout.com/stories/2011.html

reply from: nancyu

Unborn children are persons. We don't don't need to wait for the government to tell us this.
It's simply the truth.

reply from: faithman

Very important info on constitutionality of personhood
.http://www.popularsovereignty.org/spectop9.html ........ http://.http://www.popularsovereignty.org/spectop9.html Copy and paste this out to everyone you know. We can no longer afford ignorance on this one!!!

reply from: nancyu

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2124/68/46/606682761/n606682761_1284112_4908.jpg

reply from: nancyu

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/in-the-womb-2228#tab-Videos/01586_05

reply from: faithman

We have been able to make more cards and posters. If you would like some good deals on buying bulk printer direct, just PM me. We will be sending over 50,000 cards, and several thousand posters to Roe day in DC. Many thanks to all who have worked hard to make this happen.

reply from: nancyu

chocolate chip cookies

reply from: Spock

They work great! We have cut the time it takes us to clean cages by nearly half by lining them with your product! It really keeps the feces from sticking! I recommend them to anyone who keeps pets!

reply from: Banned Member

SPOCK! You better not have wasted your pocket money on those silly posters!!

reply from: nancyu

Did you realize that THIS very thread is the THIRD most viewed thread on prolifeamerica.com?!

reply from: faithman

OOOOHHHH? Who is 1 and 2?

reply from: nancyu

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=151&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=76&enterthread=y

reply from: faithman

Guess we will have to work a little harder.

reply from: nancyu

Pro-choice on child rape 1 2 Last
Planned Parenthood, your tax dollars and a dirty little secret
124 85093
Planned Parenthood, Hitler & KKK 1 2 Last
Planned Parenthood's Black genocide makes the Klan & Hitler look like amateurs
821 70800
I Am A Person 1 2 Last
953 44933
We have quite a lot of catching up to do.

reply from: nancyu

This is also the 2nd most replied to thread of all time on this forum. Second only to:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=3888&enterthread=y

reply from: nancyu

http://https://www.bumpits.com/?MID=538384

reply from: faithman

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdghkm_live-abortion_lifestyle

reply from: Miraclestar

I'm new here, but I'd like to contribute to the discussion "I am a Person" in a poem I wrote. I hope this poem can make a real difference in somebody's life.
"Tiny Refugees"
They come into this world
As tiny refugees
From a place where truth is timeless.
Each is a spirit son or daughter of God.
Their tiny souls
Hold tiny hearts that beat!
They're not made of rubber.
They feel
And they bleed!
Each has a spirit
With very real needs.
They start out on life's journey
As the most defenseless among us.
Each has a voice
Though not fully developed.
They each come to earth
With infinite possibilities.
Each with their very own wish:
Life.
http://jennyanntibbetts.tatepublishing.net

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: nancyu

This is still the third most viewed post on Prolifeamerica.

reply from: nancyu

Thanks!
Sure doesn't feel like home around here since Yodavater's been gone 8(

reply from: faithman

Proof Abby Johnson is in it for the money in her own words.
"I left ONLY because I knew I would have financial support when I left. I knew I wouldn't be wondering how I would feed my child. "
In other words she didn't leave the abortion industry because abortion is murder, and it is wrong. She left because she could make a pay check.
http://rightsoftheunborn.blogspot.com/2012/06/abby-johnson-and-then-there-were-none.html

reply from: faithman

Yes Abby Johnson, we have a problem with it....
"The pro-life movement is totally supportive of pregnancy centers. Even though we basically pay them to have their babies. We pay their rent money at times, utilities, we give them pretty much unlimited resources...anything it takes to get that woman to choose life for her baby. But yet, when some of us try to do the EXACT same thing for clinic workers, you have a problem with it?" [Abby Johnson]
I have a problem with a self justified baby killer talking down her long nose at me in defense of her fellow baby killers. these people belong in prison with you, not making a living off of us to bribe them to quit the baby murder business.
They are not the same as children in the womb. They are not "victims" of evil aggression, they are the aggressor.
Workers should come out of the "industry" because it is wrong to murder persons in the womb, not because some one is willing to pay your bills, and you can make big money with book sales, and speaking engagements.
"And for anyone who says, "oh, you left without support, so can they." You don't know my story. I left ONLY because I knew I would have financial support when I left. I knew I wouldn't be wondering how I would feed my child." [Abby Johnson]

reply from: nancyu

http:// https://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10152062718015002&ref=bookmark&__user=1105137407

reply from: nancyu

If we want abortion to end with argument alone, we must stop arguing from the standpoint of why abortion SHOULD BE illegal, and start arguing that abortion IS illegal ALREADY.  And educating others as to how and why this is so.  
Did you know that abortion is illegal right now?  If you didn't, let me be the first to tell you!  It's exciting news for a pro lifer, wouldn't you say?!  
Arguments for why abortion should or should not be legal are endless and are based on personal opinion and feelings.  The pro life argument is usually that babies are a heavenly blessing to be cherished and loved instead of killed (sounds right to me).  The pro choice side tends to be more considerate of a woman who may be in difficult circumstances (mmmm..ya, sure.)
There are plenty of good arguments which favor one side or the other (some really bad ones, too)  but they can go around and around and around.  Have you noticed this, too?  And even when we "win", they keep getting away with murder.
The Law is what matters.  Personal opinions and feelings are not compatible with The Law, because The Law is not a respecter of persons.
The Law does not care that babies are cute and cuddly and fun; nor does it care that a woman may be very depended upon by her family and others - or she might have plans.
 It doesn't care that she might "feel" that she has a very good reason to want to kill a person who is, or is soon going to be, very dependent upon her.
"No respecter of persons" means that The Law doesn't take into account that one person might have more money, have more responsibilities than another, or be more productive, attractive, or needed than another.
The Law does not care who you are.  It doesn't care what nationality you are, what color or  gender you are, what religion you are.  
It does not care how much money you have or what circumstances surrounded your conception.  It doesn't care what age you are, what your level of dependency is upon others.
It does not care how many friends you have, how educated you are, or how high up the corporate ladder you have climbed.  It does not care what kind of car you drive, or how physically "fit" you may be.  It doesn't care if everyone loves you, or if no one can tolerate your presence.  It doesn't even care if you smell really bad.
It doesn't consider if you are healthy or sickly, pretty or not so pretty, if you are nice or more of a grouch.  
You don't have to be a citizen of the USA, or of any other nation.
The Law doesn't even care what percentage of the world's population you are.  Whether you are 50% of the population like Adam or Eve; or darn near 0% like you and I.
All that's required in order for you to be entitled to equal protection of the laws is that you be a person.
Are you with me so far?  
Do you know that Section one of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution, states specifically and clearly, that NO person shall be deprived of life without due process of law,  and NO person shall be denied the equal protection of the laws?  If you haven't yet, I suggest you read it right away.  Here's an official copy:  
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

I happen to think this is a good thing, overall.  Even though there are moments,  every now and then, when I think I have a really good reason to hurt someone.  My logical side says no, it's not legal to harm an innocent person, and probably not worth the consequences, anyhow.  Plus,  I'm glad this protection is there for me, too.  Would you believe, that not everybody likes me?!  I can hardly believe it myself.
How did Roe vs Wade get to be considered "the law of the land" when it goes directly against our own Constitution? Our Constitution which is, in fact, the supreme law of the land.  Did you miss this part, SCOTUS?  Read it and weep:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

Well, it all started when Griswold vs Connecticut recognized a constitutional "right to privacy":
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut

But guess what; there is no such right in the Constitution.  Go ahead, read it again if you don't believe me:  
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html 

And do you know WHY there was no such right written into the Constitution?  Because granting a "right to privacy" would have made it possible to kill innocent persons, with no consequences.  
Are there any lights coming on in your head yet?  We certainly have an expectation of privacy in ordinary circumstances, but no such right when it comes to killing someone.  That's when you would have to explain yourself, and you'd better make it good.  Juries aren't always as nice as you would hope.  (^He^ might not be either.)
Then, the Roe vs Wade decision was based on the assumption that a fetus is not a person "in the whole sense"-with a disclaimer:  "If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the [14th] Amendment". 
Shouldn't it be the other way around?  Shouldn't they have had to establish that the fetus was NOT a person, before granting someone the "right" to kill one?
And tell me now, how can two parents who are persons produce offspring that is not a person?  I don't believe it has ever happened.  If you've heard of such a case,  please send me a link.  Unlike the pro "choicers", I'm always open to correction.
It seems obvious that Roe vs Wade may have made some abortions legal, but only those which do not harm any persons.  
If you're speaking of a human Z/E/F then you're speaking of a person.  If you want to "abort" a chicken or an apple, you're perfectly within legal limits. But if you're a person, and you're pregnant, you're pregnant with a person.  Not a chicken and certainly not an apple.  I've heard that some people do strange things with animals and even fruit, and I'm no scientist, but I'm nearly certain it won't produce any offspring.
So, since (human) abortion takes the life of an innocent person, abortion is not, never has been and never will be "legal" in any meaningful sense of the word.  (I don't think it's legal in any non-meaningful sense either)
Aside from our Creator, there is no person or entity with the authority to make the murder of an innocent person legal.  
Some might ask, why does this matter if the law in this case probably can't, or won't be enforced?
Try to think of some laws that you obey, even though you are not forced to obey them.  I'll bet you can think of a few.  How about, don't touch a hot stove, or don't run in front of a big truck. The Law isn't always an enforcer, it is a teacher.  It doesn't take much to see that obeying just laws is in everyone's best interest.  If we want our own rights respected, we have to also respect the rights of others.  
Then, maybe someday soon, when enough people begin to see the value of The Law, tides will turn, and pressure will grow, until law enforcement has no choice but to start doing its job.
My friend,  Dave Leach (see comments) thinks Roe vs Wade has been overturned since 2004 with the enactment of Laci and Conners law.  This is when he believes that the "personhood" of the fetus was "established" within the law.  This is what the Roe v Wade decision stated would create it's own collapse.
< ^ Roe v. Wade's "collapse" clause says: "The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a "person" within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. The appellant conceded as much on reargument. On the other hand, the appellee conceded on reargument that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment."<
I respectfully (and only slightly) disagree with Dave for a few reasons:
1). Roe V Wade was already "collapsed" the very first time a child in the womb was a person.  "Human being" and "person" are synonymous.  Since all human beings are, and always have been persons; those in the womb are, and always have been persons.
 
2).  The Unborn Victims of Violence act did NOT declare the unborn child a PERSON.  It declared the unborn child a "victim". (Victims are not always persons.). My understanding of Dave's argument is (correct me if I'm wrong, Dave - I'm still learning) that since Roe equated the words "human" and "person" that this omission doesn't change the fact that it overturns Roe Vs Wade.  But it seems like people need to be hit over the head a little harder with the truth before they will really be able to feel it.
(Do you really think GW was just a great guy who missed a small detail like this?  He knew!  He knew, that as long as it didn't refer to the unborn child specifically as PERSON, he could work it.  He would win all the (stupid) pro life votes without even the mildest threat to a woman's "right to choose", because most people really are (sad to say) that stupid.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

Here is the complete text of the law.  You don't have to read all of it, but look for the word "person".  It's in there....
< "The operative portion of the law, now codified as Title 18, Section 1841 of the United States Code, reads as follows:
Sec. 1841. Protection of unborn children
(a) (1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.
(2) (A) Except as otherwise provided in this paragraph, the punishment for that separate offense is the same as the punishment provided under Federal law for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child's mother.
(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that -
(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying offense was pregnant; or
(ii) the defendant intended to cause the death of, or bodily injury to, the unborn child.
(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.
(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section.
(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are the following:
(1) Sections 36, 37, 43, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 229, 242, 245, 247, 248, 351, 831, 844 (d), (f), (h)(1), and (i), 924 (j), 930, 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1116, 1118, 1119, 1120, 1121, 1153 (a), 1201 (a), 1203, 1365 (a), 1501, 1503, 1505, 1512, 1513, 1751, 1864, 1951, 1952 (a)(1)(B), (a)(2)(B), and (a)(3)(B), 1958, 1959, 1992, 2113, 2114, 2116, 2118, 2119, 2191, 2231, 2241 (a), 2245, 2261, 2261A, 2280, 2281, 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2340A, and 2441 of this title.
(2) Section 408(e) of the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 848 (e)). (3) Section 202 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2283).
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution -
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
(d) As used in this section, the term "unborn child" means a child in utero, and the term "child in utero" or "child, who is in utero" means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb." <
...But ONLY when referring to the perpetrator, the pregnant woman or her representative, or to her abortionist or medical care provider.  (We should have protested this law into the ground.  There is no WAY an abortionist is a person.)
The unborn child is carefully referred to as "child" or as "human being", not even once as "person".
Now, I always thought that the words "child" and "person"; and "human being" and "person" were synonymous, but apparently our "leaders" think differently.  This implies that the makers and signers of this law believed that SOME children and SOME human beings are NOT persons.  
I don't want to frighten you or anything, but this is really frightening!
Try to imagine yourself as a human non-person.  Is it so far-fetched?   Ask the slaves.   Ask the Jews, the homosexuals, and the "unfit" in Hitler's time, if they had ever imagined themselves in such a category.  
Maybe you don't value your own "personhood" to care about anyone else's; but I do.  I'm not a mere "human being".  I am a person.  It's not legal to kill me without just cause and/or due process of law.  I have been a person since the very beginning of my existence in my mother's womb, (remembering that there are some persons who begin their existence outside their mothers womb)  and I will be until I am completely and utterly dead.   (You do NOT have my permission to kill me under any circumstances.  So there.)
3).  A legal dictionary will tell you that a natural person is also a  "legal" person.  This means that "personhood" of a natural person does not need to be established.  "Roe" never existed except in all our wild imaginations, because The Constitution (the supreme law of the land) and The Truth (a person in the womb is a person) made it void.
Dave, don't give the justices who decided Roe, more respect than they deserve.  They should not have used pro life legislation as a basis for their opinion, and they should have struck down any anti-abortion legislation that disregarded the fact that the zygote, embryo, fetus was a person.  (What did they think it was, a tomato?  If that was the the case she wouldn't want an abortion.  She could just make a salad).  The truth is, outlawing abortion just wasn't what the SC wanted to do.  They wanted women to kill their children, and think like it was their own choice.  It's so scary, how well they succeeded.
I am concerned for countries and places which think themselves more "pro life" because they have strict abortion bans or restrictions.  These are what led us to Roe vs Wade in the first place.  Abortion bans don't treat the pre-born as persons entitled to equal justice and protection.  
Keep it simple:  Just enforce laws against murder for everyone - inside the womb or out.
That way,  no doctor need fear prosecution for treating a pregnant woman to save her life, but those who intentionally kill for fun or for profit, will be securely behind bars.
The clump of tissue which is Roe vs Wade may have made abortion possible and even convenient; it (with a little help from their friends on the tv news) made the killing of innocent people seem normal and "socially acceptable".   But what it absolutely did not do was to make abortion legal.
I always wonder, what made us buy this lie that it is (sometimes) legal to kill (some) innocent people, and why is it so frustratingly difficult to convince (even some very smart and very pro life) people that we've been duped.
Is it a matter of pride, and not wanting to admit that we could have been misled?  Have we been brainwashed by soaps and talking heads on the tv? 
Have we gotten used to the option of killing with no consequences?  Hmmmm .. what else might we be able to get used to?
Is it because those in the womb are so much smaller than we are?  That the blood is quickly washed away, the little body whisked away to the research lab, so we don't have to look at it, or think about it too long?
Are we believing what we want to believe?  
This possibility gives me the most trouble.  Why do there seem to be so very many, who apparently have so little love for children, that they not only expect, but demand the right to have them professionally slain for any old reason?  I don't know, I'll keep asking around.  If you figure it out I hope you'll tell me.
We've made it past one hurdle and it was a tall one.   We've made abortion illegal (WaaHooo!!!) with nothing more or less than the simple truth.
What is left, but to make it much less convenient (impossible -even better)  less socially acceptable, less gruesomely "normal".
Maybe that will take more than argument alone.  We are waiting and praying and hoping for someone (some One?) a little higher up to help us with this part, but maybe what we don't realize is that it is our own attitudes that are helping to support and uphold these highly illegal "laws", when what we should work harder to uphold is The Law... and The Truth.
 Wouldn't it be nice if the "pro life" movement would stop being so stuck-up about supporting the use of force to defend these children.   There is such a thing as legitimate defense of innocent persons and there are times when it's called for.  With 50 million or so and counting, this might be the time.  Their side has been using very violent force against our side for 40 years now.  This isn't "LIKE" murder; this is murder.  On a very massive scale.    
I think we'd be better people if we weren't so afraid of getting some not-so-innocent blood on our hands.  I'm sure I would feel better, regardless of what consequences might follow. And, it's always possible for "consequences" to be turned into opportunity.  As we defend ourselves, we are also defending The Law and our babies, too.
Either way, we need to get our arguments straight and consistent.  We need to tell people that abortion is not legal.    Not everyone knows it yet, and they won't know if you don't tell them.  
These are our little brothers and sisters.  They're still being butchered as the clock ticks.  They're persons, they're innocent, and we're failing them. 
"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him;"   
Acts 10: 34, 35
"And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him;"
Eph. 6: 9
 "But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons;" 
Col. 3: 25
"And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear" 
I Pet. 1: 17
(updated Aug 25, 2012)

reply from: tomsilvertyre

Glad to hear that you had a successful turnaround due to the poster! =D
Here is a drawing I made that will hopefully communicate the error of the 'my body my choice argument.' Perhaps it will be useful to you!
http://honestsearchfortruth.blogspot.com/2012/09/my-body-my-choice.html

reply from: faithman

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