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Photos of living babies in the womb

by: AshMarie88

EDIT (links added from http://www.ehd.org/science_imagegal_3.php):
6 weeks:
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA06w4d_umbilical-th.jpg
7 weeks:
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA07w4d_earlyMovement-th.jpg

8 weeks:
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA08w2d_earlyMovement-th.jpg

9 weeks:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/on-line/lifecycle/images/1-2-3-1-7-0-0-0-0-0-0.jpg
">http://www.sciencemuseum.org.u...0-0-0-0-0-0.jpg
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA09w_earlyMovement-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/11weeksthumb.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/11plusweeksthumb.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA09w6d_touchingFace-th.jpg

10 weeks:
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA10w_twins-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/12weekstill.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA10w4d_squirming-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA10w4d_stretching-th.jpg

11 weeks:
http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy/1/0/c/C/05us3d11b.jpg
">http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy...C/05us3d11b.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy/1/0/b/C/05us3d11a.jpg
">http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy...C/05us3d11a.jpg
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/jcpons-11weeks.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...ons-11weeks.jpg
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA11w_gettingComfy-th.jpg

12 weeks:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/03/19/nabort119.jpg
">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...9/nabort119.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy/1/0/_/C/05us3d12a.jpg
">http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy...C/05us3d12a.jpg
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/12week-MartineMetzenbauer.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...Metzenbauer.jpg
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/martinmetz12weeks-pink.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...2weeks-pink.jpg
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA12w_armStretch-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA12w_resting-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/14weeksthumb.jpg

13 weeks:
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA13w_rollingOver-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/15weeksthumb.jpg

14 weeks:
http://www.health.state.mn.us/wrtk/images/wk14.jpg
">http://www.health.state.mn.us/...images/wk14.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy/1/0/K/C/053dus14a.jpg
">http://z.about.com/d/pregnancy...C/053dus14a.jpg
15 weeks:
http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA15w5d_tightFit-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA15w6d_calm-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/4D_FA15w6d_thumbSucking-th.jpg

http://www.ehd.org/images/prenatal_imagegal/18weeksthumb.jpg

16 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/16ish-week-SaiedTohamy.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...SaiedTohamy.jpg
19 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/19week.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...elop/19week.jpg
20 weeks:
http://www.peopleforlife.org/images/babyat20weeks.jpg
">http://www.peopleforlife.org/i...byat20weeks.jpg
http://www.health.state.mn.us/wrtk/images/wk22.jpg
">http://www.health.state.mn.us/...images/wk22.jpg
21 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/21week-MartineMetzenbauer.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...Metzenbauer.jpg
23 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/23week-juanCarlosPons.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...nCarlosPons.jpg
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/guillermocayrol36weeks.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...yrol36weeks.jpg
28 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/28week-juanCarlosPons1.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...CarlosPons1.jpg
29 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/29week-MariaParrillaDelgado.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...illaDelgado.jpg
35 weeks:
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/35week.jpg
">http://www.paternityangel.com/...elop/35week.jpg
http://www.paternityangel.com/PicsAndPhotos/FoetalDevelop/dagmarhofinger.jpg

reply from: ChristianLott

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fetaldevelopment.htm
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/index.htm

reply from: Motherto5

Isn't it amazing how developed they are so early on!! Such a miracle. We are currently on #5... at I'm 18.5 weeks along. I cannot believe this is what my little one looks like right now!! I love seeing pictures of developing babies- Thanks for sharing!!!!!!! !!!
~Mother to 5

reply from: brownsugar

those photos are powerful how can anyone see them and still not see a living human child? thanks they are what helped me see my errors.

reply from: AshMarie88

Isn't it amazing how developed they are so early on!! Such a miracle. We are currently on #5... at I'm 18.5 weeks along. I cannot believe this is what my little one looks like right now!! I love seeing pictures of developing babies- Thanks for sharing!!!!!!! !!!
~Mother to 5
Aw that's great! Congrats on the new baby.

reply from: WingedWolf

Yes Congrats! Babies are wonderful!

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Aww, congrats! Boy or girl?
Does this mean you're pro-life now?

reply from: paddygarcia

I know this is off topic, but this is cool!
Dont know if they will ship to Uk, Im going to give it a try!
http://americanlifeleague.stores.yahoo.net/

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Whoa, those are pretty cool! I'm putting that site in my favorites. Thanks for posting

reply from: AshMarie88

Yep. In a few months when I turn 18, I'm going to ask for a few of the shirts and stickers and stuff like that. I hope I'll be able to get some of them.

reply from: paddygarcia

Whoa, those are pretty cool! I'm putting that site in my favorites. Thanks for posting
Pleasure!

reply from: Motherto5

Aww, congrats! Boy or girl?
Thanks for the Congrats Everyone!!
We are not sure yet. HOPEFULLY we will be finding out this coming monday- that is if baby allows !!
~Mother To 5

reply from: Tam

If the ???? means "these links don't work" it is probably that they are too long. See the ellipses? (...) in the middle of them? Some of the link is not being represented, and it's not working for that reason.

reply from: yoda

Just trim them down to the basic url for the website, and then you can follow the links there to the various photos: http://www.paternityangel.com/

reply from: brownsugar

Does this mean you're pro-life now?
yes it does. i always was but after my ex killed my child i tried to defend her and make it seem alright. many people here helped me see it but i want to give special thanks to ashmarie88, lovingmommyof2, and after i realized i was wrong i would like to thank shiprahagain, tam, concernedparent, christianlott, paddygarcia, thecatholicamerican for the support and advise. sorry it took so long to reply to this question i hadnt checked in here for awhile i needed my space.
my ex didnt think she did anything wrong when she killed my baby but she called me the other day crying i guess her friend just had a baby prematuraly that weighs just over 4 pounds and she said holding the tiny baby made her think about our baby. she now regrets what she did and wants to get back together and make another baby!?!?!???????? what is that? oh lets make another baby. that does not bring my baby back murdering beotch. at least she now sees it was wrong to kill my baby so hopefuly she wont do it to another innoncent child in the future.

reply from: brownsugar

forgiven by God if he chooses not by me

reply from: AshMarie88

forgiven by God if he chooses not by me
God forgives everyone, because he loves them. I'm sure he has forgiven you (for whatever you did, tho you didn't have the abortion).

reply from: Ayame

Those photos really hit close to home, because I cannot believe someone would kill an innocent child for no reason, especially looking like that. THe main point of it is that I am 33 weeks pregnant with my husbands and mines first. When I found out, we were absolutely estatic! It hurts to think of all the children that could have gone to wonderful homes have been aborted... it nearly brings me to tears.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Congrats! Boy or girl?

reply from: Ayame

We are having a little girl, and her name is going to be Adriana.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Beautiful name, and I'm sure she'll be a beautiful girl.

reply from: bradensmommy

We are having a little girl, and her name is going to be Adriana.
Thats cool! I wanted to name my child that if we were having a girl.

reply from: ThunderKitten

I learned a lot from this site: http://www.mothering.com/discussions/ I highly recommend it. Congradulations on your baby!
If you have any baby/birth questions, go right ahead and ask. I was also suggest borrowing a baby (especially the pre-crawling variety) to play with! I wish I had more experience before mine popped out!

reply from: Ayame

Thanks guys, and I helped take care of my sisters little brothers when they were born =)!

reply from: AshMarie88

Why don't you just say "bump"?

reply from: faithman

Because bump does not put the attention on the info. SSSSOOO I repost the info.

reply from: yoda

Because bump does not put the attention on the info. SSSSOOO I repost the info.
Okay, I'll say "bump", and suggest that anyone who hasn't clicked on faithman's links do so....
~bump~

reply from: AshMarie88

Bumping... specifically for magenta.

reply from: AshMarie88

thanks for bumping this up again FM

reply from: faithman

The live pictures are the most powerful and effective action in the peaceful catagory. We should be sending them out to as many as we can. I find it strange that the folk who agree with defensive action on this forum have almost to a person been the ones who have gotten the I AM A PERSON cards from me. When abortion becomes a fight instead of a debate, we will end it. The best peaceful weapon I have ever used is the I AM A PERSON material. The live images of the womb child simply shut the pro-aborts down every time, and win the hearts of the mushy middle to the cause of Pre-born life.

reply from: QueenJ

I've seen many ultrasound pictures of zygotes, embryos, and fetuses. I've even seen an ultrasound live and in person. I'm still pro-choice.

reply from: AshMarie88

Pro-abortion is a disgusting view, especially when you still find killing babies okay after you see them moving, living, and everything on screen.

reply from: AshMarie88

I suppose the graphic murder photos of the unborn don't phase you any?

reply from: QueenJ

No. Photos of abortion don't phase me. Many of the photos of abortions out on the internet are doctored, misrepresented, or completely fabricated, though.

reply from: AshMarie88

That's not true. You just don't want to have to admit abortion kills babies. It's a cowardly lie.
Besides, even if they WERE fake pictures, where are your "real" ones?

reply from: yoda

Well then, of course you'll tell us where to find the "REAL" ones, right? NOOOOooooooo??????
You know nothing at all about anything other than proabort dogma and mantras, which you repeat mindlessly.
I doubt if the sight of an actual bloody baby's corpse right in front of you would touch your stone cold heart at all.

reply from: QueenJ

No, I won't admit that abortion kills babies because it doesn't. It "kills" zygotes, embryos, and fetuses.
Please notice that I said many (not all) of abortion pictures that can be found on the internet are doctored, misrepresented, or completely fabricated. If you're truly interested in seeing real pictures of abortion then I suggest checking out a medical textbook.

reply from: yoda

Yet another cowardly lie from you:
MSN-Encarta Online:ba·by noun (plural ba·bies) 2. unborn child: a child that is still in the womb ( http://dictionary.msn.com/find/entry.asp?search=baby )
Dictionary.com ba·by (bb) n. pl. ba·bies 2. An unborn child; a fetus. ( http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=baby )
iNFOPLEASE.com ba.by pronunciation: (bA'bE), -n. 5. a human fetus. ( http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0330371.html )
Medical textbooks do NOT contain photos of ABORTED babies......... you DIDN'T know that????????????

reply from: AshMarie88

Fetus is just a term for an unborn HUMAN BEING. They're still human people.
And abortion does kill. That is the main intent of the "procedure", to end the life of the unborn.

reply from: faithman

Fetus in latin means little one, and is the same term used for a child wheather born or pre-born.

reply from: AshMarie88

I don't believe the website.

reply from: yoda

What documentation do you have to "prove" those photos are genuine?
What point do you imagine that displaying a photo of the dismembered parts of a "5 week old embryo" makes?

reply from: Teresa18

That is the only clinic supporting abortion that I've ever seen post a picture. Nevertheless, they do it at a conveinetly early stage. At five weeks, the child is very soft and probably just turns to liquid when suctioned. As that appears to be a suction abortion. The time in which abortions are legal go well past 5 weeks, though. Abortions are legal for up to 24 weeks of gestation. Plus, with clinics like Doctor Tiller's, abortions are done all the way up to almost the time of birth. The later the abortion, the more gruesome. To me, it really makes no difference if it's not gruesome, as a person is being killed. However, the person is so early in development, it's not as 'messy'.

reply from: yoda

Any human body will look like so much hamburger if it's ground up fine enough. That appears to be what has happened to this poor unfortunate baby, and this abortuary seems to be proud of their work.

reply from: Teresa18

According to the CDC chart on Wikipedia, slightly less than 60% of abortions are performed by 8 weeks of gestation. While some abortions occur very early with abortaficients if they prevent implantation, I would assume the good majority of abortions occur after the heart begins to beat, around 18 days. Over 40%, plus the abortions that occur at 7 or 8 weeks, occur when the child has a definite human form, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States

reply from: Carifairy

Certainly yes. I will say this, at 18 days it is not an actual heart that beats, but a group of blood vessels that will soon become a heart.. Discovery channel "In the Womb" explains this, and even shows a u/s of the vessels beating in unison. 4 weeks.. give or take a few days based on the individual, is when the vessels have merged and create a 'chambered' heart. I'll double check on that gestation..
I believe in givng 100% accurate info to everyone. I am not denying that you will hear a 'beating' at 18 days, but it is vessels that will soon become a heart, not an actual heart..YET.

reply from: Teresa18

I have not seen that Plan B evidence as I recently looked up the bill and certain forms of birth control, and the information I found said they could act as abortaficients.
Just a question, though, and I apologize if this comes across as harsh. Does it not bother you at all, especially in procedures where the child has a definite human form, to see the child moving on the ultrasound, completely safe and content within the womb of his/her mother, and know that you will be doing a procedure to end that childs life in a violent fashion? What if you were within an area where you could not escape and suddenly you were salinized, ripped apart, suctioned through a tube, or halfway delivered and then your brains were sucked out? I just could not imagine doing that to another person or know that I was responsible for the life a very young person dying.

reply from: Carifairy

Saline abortions are no longer performed, I did not know if you knew this or not.. :/
Saline aboriton was a style of "L&D", or labor and delivery abortion, which was pretty much discontinued by 1990. D&E suction abortion is now done for abortions to 22+ weeks.
It does not bother me, as the only aboritons I have seen past 17 weeks have been for fetal deformity. I am seeing TWO humans though, a fully grown woman with a life, with a family, and SHE wants an abortion. There is a fetus, but IMO she is the 'rule maker'. I see the woman first.
CDC states that only 1.9% of all abortions occur after 20 weeks, and the ones I hear about are due to deformities.
If there was a 100% effective birth control method that could used by women everywhere, I would be very happy.
New research shows that Progestin does not affect the implantation as they previously had thought.

reply from: Teresa18

The problem with the CDC is the following. I know it is a good source, but not all states are required to report. Secondly, abortions are not permitted in all states or clinics after a certain time period by law, but that does not necessarily mean that clinics don't perform them or skirt around the law. If the law is skirted around, as it is in certain clinics like Dr. Tiller's, then the clinic will not report the abortion for fear of prosecution.
I also wanted to add that it's not fair that a child is killed because he/she does or may have a fetal deformity. That reaks of eugenics.

reply from: yoda

My question to you is "So what?"
Whatever the status of development in the baby, it is no less a human being because of a lack of development. It's just a very young human being.
Are you suggesting that killing young human beings is less immoral than killing older human beings?

reply from: AshMarie88

Actually the heart starts beating at 25 days, but it's close enough.
http://health.discovery.com/centers/pregnancy/americanbaby/fetaldevelopment.html

reply from: Carifairy

The deformities I speak of are Anencephaly, hydrocephalus, trisomy 18..etc...
Many women cannot handle the costs of raising a severely disabled child, and it is not up to the givernment to pay for someones childcare. It is up to the parents...
Anencephaly is fatal.. You give birth, and then it dies, if it makes it that far.
Each woman has to decide what she can handle as far as disability goes, costs, healthcare etc..
ALL anyone wants is a health baby.

reply from: yoda

YES, it is up to the government to pay for someone's child care who cannot afford it..... they do it all the time.
But I'm sure you'd rather see them killed than have to pay taxes to support them, right?

reply from: pookiy1980

i have to also agree that many of the pix are misrepresentations (I have doctored my own pix before) but that does not mean I do not admit abortion kills and I don't think that the PC people feel this way either. They know abortion kills AKA terminates the preg.
I think there are so many of these 'late term" pictures out there yes the late terms do not happen very often (as per law) and for medical reasons. I think if the PL movement were to post pictures of the majority of abortions (early) on the sides of vans of bilboards it would look the same as when a woman menstrates. No I have not personally seen the aftermath of an abortion from a nonbiased view but maybe someone has something.......?

reply from: pookiy1980

Thank you I was looking for something with some of the medical conditions. Why would a mother with a heart for her child want to birth a baby who is going to be born then die right away? I would not want my child to be born and suffer. At this age they can feel and imediatly start recognizing "pain" vs an early stage of life when they do not 'know' what pain is....

reply from: pookiy1980

Ugh and also my taxes go to those who can take care of their own kids and yet still mooch off the goverment. I would much rather my tax $$ go to those who need it vs these loosers who are begging for a hand out.
(sorry I have to pay the IRS this week)

reply from: Teresa18

Just because the women feel they can't afford to pay the bills, doesn't mean the child should be killed. The government can and does provide if the parents are unable to care for the child. If the parents don't want to deal with the disabled child, then they should give the child up for adoption as opposed to killing him/her. There are parents or foster parents who will care for disabled infants or children. I realize people want a healthy child, but sometimes that isn't possible. It's not the child's fault he/she is disabled.
Well, our lives are not someone else's to take. It's not fair to the child that a parent makes a decision and kills him/her. It's scary to me that a parent says, "My child may die, so I'm having my child killed." What if the medical test was wrong? It's happened before you know. If the child is born and suffers then there are medicines the doctors can give to the child to ease the pain until they can treat the child or the child passes.

reply from: AshMarie88

Well, our lives are not someone else's to take. It's not fair to the child that a parent makes a decision and kills him/her. It's scary to me that a parent says, "My child may die, so I'm having my child killed." What if the medical test was wrong? It's happened before you know. If the child is born and suffers then there are medicines the doctors can give to the child to ease the pain until they can treat the child or the child passes.
Exactly.
That's my take on it too.

reply from: yoda

I've never heard of anyone claiming to have "doctored" a picture of an aborted baby before, and I'm 100% sure you do not speak for pro-lifers in general. There is NO NEED to doctor any pictures, many aborted babies are found in trash cans and in sewers!
You do us all a disservice by such a silly statement. Why in the world would you even want to do such a thing???

reply from: yoda

So you're saying kill the babies instead of raising your taxes?

reply from: Carifairy

Teresa.. AN amniocentesis is 99.4% effective.
YES, we can almost with 100% diagnose deformities.
The ONLY uncertainty can be when women do not have tests..

reply from: faithman

AAAAHHH the putrid stinch of pro-abort skank. Makes dead fish smell sweet.

reply from: Teresa18

Perhaps the amniocentesis is often accurate, but sometimes these tests find health issues that are treatable or conditions and oppose to seeking treatment or continuing the pregnancy, the mother then aborts the child. The ultrasounds can be wrong, though, and they are more than the amniocentesis. A child just died in Italy (I think that's the country) because they suggested there may be a fetal deformity. The mother refused further testing, and she ordered an immediate abortion. The child came out alive, and the child was basically healthy, but he was too premature to survive. I've heard of other such cases or poeple who have had testing and their child has been fine. The bottom line, these tests are ok if used for treatment, but if they are used to kill an unhealthy child, they are wrong.

reply from: Carifairy

OUT of curiosity, do you know how to debate?

reply from: faithman

OUT of curiosity, do you know how to debate?
dosen't matter one way or another. Skanks, especially the pro-abort kind, have absolutely nothing to say worth hearing. All they deserve is lethal injection like all murders.

reply from: faithman

You don't get to define anything skank. I am for the protection of inocent life. If that means an evil aggressor needs taken out, so be it. When God tells your heart to stop it will. That could very easily be tonight. Then you baby killling skank ways will not serve you very well.

reply from: AshMarie88

While I disagree with FM, I have to say that pro-life ONLY means anti-abortion, nothing else.
Technically speaking, if you believe differently, you must also believe that in order to call yourself pro-choice you must be for ALL choices.
Pro-life is for the abortion debate, just like pro-choice is for the abortion debate.

reply from: AshMarie88

That pro-lifer was pro-life with other different beliefs, and altho I respect pro-lifers who are against all deaths, it's still incorrect to say pro-life means against all death.

reply from: Carifairy

Wouldn't pro life mean against all MAN made deaths??
OTHERWISE, what is wrong with euthanasia? AS long as someone of sound mind requests it..
MOST PL'ers I know are against euthanasia..

reply from: Teresa18

That might be a good term to use. Although, according to the dictionary, the term strictly refers to issues of abortion. Personally, I'm opposed to assisted suicide/euthanasia and capital punishment in most cases. I consider myself all around pro-life.

reply from: AshMarie88

I'm against abortion and euthanasia.

reply from: faithman

While I disagree with FM, I have to say that pro-life ONLY means anti-abortion, nothing else.
Technically speaking, if you believe differently, you must also believe that in order to call yourself pro-choice you must be for ALL choices.
Pro-life is for the abortion debate, just like pro-choice is for the abortion debate.
You disagree with me?

reply from: yoda

Then "they" were fools and you were a fool for believing them.
pro-life adjective against open access to abortion: in favor of bringing the human fetus to full term, especially by campaigning against open access to abortion and against experimentation on embryos http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736610

reply from: AshMarie88

While I disagree with FM, I have to say that pro-life ONLY means anti-abortion, nothing else.
Technically speaking, if you believe differently, you must also believe that in order to call yourself pro-choice you must be for ALL choices.
Pro-life is for the abortion debate, just like pro-choice is for the abortion debate.
You disagree with me?
I disagree with bombing clinics.

reply from: Carifairy

No, I am not a fool..
BUT EVERY OTHER PL person I have met has explained to me that their "PL Views" encompass many ideals..

reply from: yoda

"Views" do not constitute valid definitions, now do they? Have any "PL people" on this forum misled you?
Twisting words to mean what is convenient to you is a favorite trick of proaborts, as evidenced by your universal disdain for dictionaries.

reply from: faithman

While I disagree with FM, I have to say that pro-life ONLY means anti-abortion, nothing else.
Technically speaking, if you believe differently, you must also believe that in order to call yourself pro-choice you must be for ALL choices.
Pro-life is for the abortion debate, just like pro-choice is for the abortion debate.
You disagree with me?
I disagree with bombing clinics.
If it were a killing center for the already born chld would you disagree with it being bombed? Is it the bomb thing? How about just burned down?

reply from: AshMarie88

While I disagree with FM, I have to say that pro-life ONLY means anti-abortion, nothing else.
Technically speaking, if you believe differently, you must also believe that in order to call yourself pro-choice you must be for ALL choices.
Pro-life is for the abortion debate, just like pro-choice is for the abortion debate.
You disagree with me?
I disagree with bombing clinics.
If it were a killing center for the already born chld would you disagree with it being bombed? Is it the bomb thing? How about just burned down?
I wouldn't even condone bombing killing centers for the born, or even nazi concentration camps!
I'm not for bombing ANY PLACE.

reply from: QueenJ

Originally posted by: yodavater
I've never heard of anyone claiming to have "doctored" a picture of an aborted baby before, and I'm 100% sure you do not speak for pro-lifers in general. There is NO NEED to doctor any pictures, many aborted babies are found in trash cans and in sewers!
Source?

reply from: yoda

Many news articles over the years, and one poster on this forum... Robert Ferguson.

reply from: QueenJ

Many news articles over the years, and one poster on this forum... Robert Ferguson.
And links to the many news articles? I'm quite interested since any reputable clinic that provides abortions follows health codes and disposes of the remains of abortion according to those health codes. The current method being incineration, I believe, NOT dumpster or trash can disposal.

reply from: yoda

Law abiding abortuaries may use "current methods", others do not. You can google for the newsarticles as well as I can.

reply from: QueenJ

It is YOUR burden to provide proof to back up YOUR statements. You were the one that originally stated, "There is NO NEED to doctor any pictures, many aborted babies are found in trash cans and in sewers!" When you say things like this, YOU are the one required to furnish the proof, not I.

reply from: Teresa18

Here is this particular article:
101 USES FOR A DEAD (or live) BABY
by Olga Fairfax, Ph.D
. When I saw the first ad on TV advertising collagen-enriched
cosmetics I was speechless. We'll be apologizing to Hitler, I
thought; at least he didn't kill for money!
. Collagen is the gelatinous substance found in connective tissue,
bone and cartilage. Nick Thimmesch's syndicated column, "Our Grisly
Human Fetal Industry" documents that amniotic fluid and collagen can
come from fetal material, since the Food and Drug Administration does
not require pretesting or the identification of cosmetic ingredients.
. A glance through a local drug store revealed that the leading 12
shampoos and five hand creams all contained collagen.
. Check your beauty products and you may be shocked! Unless your
beauty product specifies animal collagen or bovine collagen, the
product probably contains human collagen. The drug company should be
challenged at once. Even collagen taken from a human placenta raises
questions about respect of life and ownership of the placenta.
. A letter from Mary Kay Cosmetics emphasizes that their collagen
all comes from animals. A similar letter from Hask has also been
received.
. Since there are 1.5 million abortions every year, there is an
abundant source of fetuses for commercial use.
. There's triple profit to be had. The first is from the abortion
(estimated at a half billion dollars a year by Fortune magazine). The
second profit comes from the sale of aborted babies' bodies. The
third profit is from unsuspecting customers buying cosmetics.
. Babies' bodies are sold by the bag, $25 a batch or up to $5500 a
pound. The sale of later-term elective abortions at D.C. General
Hospital brought $68,000 between 1966 and 1976. The money was used to
buy a TV set and cookies and soft drinks for visiting professors.
Personally, I hope that they choked on the Kool-Aid!
. Call your local abortuary and hospital and ask them some pointed
questions about the disposal and possible sale of fetuses. Would an
abortionist who kills a baby think twice about selling its body? One
prenatal killer said, "A baby is becoming property. We kill, keep or
sell the property."
. In the Pittsburgh Women's Health Service there's a sign in the
lab areas asking doctors not to carry dead fetuses without wrapping
them since it disturbs the patients.
Treated like trash
. What have abortuaries done with fetuses in the past before they
realized that they could make another profit out of them?
. Well, "Richmond's shame" marked a new low in disposal of wastes.
An abortion center there filled a long bin on the rear of its property
with the remains of its day's nefarious doings. Its trash compactor
neatly mashed 100 babies' bodies which were then tied up in plastic
bags and thrown on top of the bin.
. "The hungry dogs came along and dragged the bags away. There
were frequent fights and the contents of the bags would be strewn up
and down the streets until the dogs separated the gauze, sponges and
pads and devoured the placenta, bones and flesh of the babies." said a
mother.
. She went to the police, health department and city hall and felt
that she got nowhere: but the bags, of warm human babies' mutilated
parts disappeared from the streets even though the clinic increased
its abortions from 25 to 150 a week. They've since moved to larger
quarters.
. The Jacksonville, Florida, Womens' Center for Reproductive
Health, which is run and owned by the Clergy Consultation Service,
advertises "celebrating a decade of service."
Nothing to Celebrate
. What they don't advertise is that they leave aborted babies out
for the trash pickup. Rev. Marvin Lutz, the director explained that
the practice of leaving the remains out was perfectly legal and
approved by the "good housekeeping" Judases, the National Abortion
Federation and the Florida Abortion Council.
. Dr. Jeronimo Dominguez of New York wrote that "on any Monday you
can see about 30 garbage bags with fetal material in them along the
sidewalks of several abortion clinics in New York."
. In Odessa, Texas, city ordinance 69-91 forbids placing a dead
animal in a dumpster. But that didn't stop one abortionist from
depositing large brown plastic bags full of sock like gauze bags into
the city dumpster prior to closing every night.
. A Baptist minister opened the bags and to his horror found a
little "perfectly formed hands and feet of a 13-week old baby and the
complete body, in pieces, of a 17-week old baby. Everything except
one foot was there: the rib cage, sexual organs, head, finger nails
and toe nails."
. He nearly died of shock. I nearly did too, reading about it.
They Burn Babies, Don't They?
. Babies used to be burned on the altar to Baal; now they're burned
in furnaces at the sites of their deaths.
. In Cincinnati, a prenatal killer allowed dense smoke to emanate
from his chimney. When firemen were called they were told, "They're
burning babies," as if that was routine.
. One wonders how life saving firemen could continue their
dedication amid such a contradiction!
. One pro-lifer overheard her children (ages five and seven)
discussing the infamous picture of the babies in the trash can the
first time they saw it.
. "It's dolls, It has to be dolls," said the kindergartner. "No,"
said his pre-school sister, "it's babies." The older child couldn't
believe it. "It has to be dolls," he insisted. "Why would anyone
throw away babies?"
. When their mother explained to them that it was babies, both
children grew very quiet. Silently they studied the picture and then
recalled the times they had gone on trips to the city dump with the
family. "Will the rats eat the babies when they take them to the
dump?" the boy asked.
Animals Fare Better
. A wounded American eagle was found in Maryland recently and
rushed to emergency treatment but it was too late. He died. A $5000
reward was offered for the arrest of its killer.
. Similarly, the Izaak Walton League's ethics fund has spent nearly
$60,000 in the last one and one half years to enhance outdoor ethics.
. It is illegal to ship pregnant lobsters (regardless of which
trimester!) to market. There's a $1000 fine and a year's jail term as
a penalty.
. The Massachusetts Supreme Court has ruled that goldfish cannot be
awarded as prizes in games of chance. This violates the state's anti-
cruelty law to protect the "tendency to dull humanitarian feelings and
corrupt the morals of those who observe them." This same court upheld
mandatory state funding of abortions!
. If the human fetus were an animal, its welfare might be entrusted
to the Department of Agriculture or the Fish and Wildlife service
where it would be safer than at the mercy of the Health Department.
The hackles of the SPCA would rise at the physical treatment it
received.
The New Laboratory Rat
. Some researchers insist that the reason they must do research on
human fetuses is because they are human, not animal.
. In a it-shouldn't-happen to a dog story, 47 senators voted in
1974 to protect dogs from experimentation with poisonous gas but then
voted down Senator Jess Helm's amendment to prevent federal funds from
being used for abortion. One liberal, pro-abortion Senator gave an
emotion laden speech to protect dogs. Man's best friend came out
better than man himself!
. Who is pressing for the "right" to experiment? No one less than
the nation Institutes of Health. A stacked national commission gave
them the "right" and this experimentation is funded by you, the
taxpayer!
. There is another sequel to the erosion of the value of human
life. Abortion, fetal experimentation, infanticide and euthanasia are
four walls of the same coffin.
. Even Planned Parenthood's anti-life lawyer Harriet Pilpel was
shocked. "What mother (sic) would consent to an experiment on her
fetus?" she asked.
A Few Choice Examples
. Some of the more shocking facts that will give you heart
palpitations include:
o The young couple who wanted to conceive a child to be aborted so
that the father to be could use the baby's kidneys for a transplant
that he needed himself.
o In California, babies aborted at six months were submerged in jars
of liquid with high oxygen content to see if they could breathe
through their skins. They couldn't.
o The hysterotomy aborted fetus in the seventh, eighth and ninth
months is removed intact (translation: the babe is alive). The trade
in fetal tissue is about $1 million annually. The high prices may
encourage unnecessary abortions on welfare patients as the surest way
of getting "salable tissue."
o Dr. Robert Schwartz, chief of pediatrics at the Cleveland
Metropolitan Hospital, said that, "After a baby is delivered, while it
is still linked to its mother by the umbilical cord, I take a blood
sample, sever the cord and then as quickly as possible remove the
organs and tissues."
o Magee Women's Hospital in Pittsburgh packed aborted babies in ice
for shipment to experimental labs.
o Newsday reported that an Ohio medical research company tested the
brains and hearts of 100 fetuses as part of a $300,000 pesticide
contract.
The Modern Scalp Display?
o Human embryos and other organs have been encased in plastic and sold
as paperweight novelty items.
o The Diabetes Treatment Project at UCLA depends for its existence on
the availability of pancreases from later term aborted fetuses.
o A rabies vaccine is produced from viruses grown in the lungs of
aborted children, according to FDA. A polio vaccine was also grown
with cells from aborted kids.
o Brain cells would be "harvested" from aborted babies for transplant.
o Tissue cultures are obtained by dropping still living babies into
meat grinders and homogenizing them, according to the prestigious New
England Journal of Medicine.
o The Village Voice reported estimates seven years ago that 20,000 to
100,000 fetuses are sold to drug companies each year in the U.S.
o A $6000,000 grant from H.I.H. enabled one baby (among many others in
the experiment done in Finland to be sliced open without an anesthetic
so that a liver could be obtained. The researcher in charge said that
the baby was complete and "was even secreting urine." He disclaimed
the need for anesthetic, saying an aborted baby is just garbage."
Don't tell God!
o A study on the severed heads of 12 babies delivered by C-section who
were kept alive for months.
o Even the baby's placenta is sold for 50 cents to drug companies.
Ever heard of Placenta Plus shampoo?
. And the atrocities go on. Will the unborn be regarded as handy
little organ sources? Will our preborn brothers and sisters become a
source of spare body parts?
. Listen to the newscasters - they are already pleading nationwide
for organs. It's enough to make you tear up your organ donor card!
At least adults can consent to being inventorized like a body shop's
spare parts department but Little Bugger cannot!
. After reading that aborted babies' fat is being used to make soap
in England and the fact that the former head of the federal Centers
for Disease Control abortion surveillance branch proposed that
abortions should be charged for by the length of the baby's foot, are
we surprised that babies are treated this way in the Year of the Child
or the Year of the Disabled?
. After reading the above, if your heart is still beating, run,
don't walk, to your nearest prayer closet and start praying!
. SYSOP's note: Everything you have just read is quite true. Dr.
Fairfax has documentation and clippings to support every point made in
this article. You may obtain a copy from her - Please send a donation
with your request for the 10 pages to Dr. Olga Fairfax, 12105
Livingston St., Weaton, MD 20902. Olga Fairfax, Ph.D is director of
Methodist United for Life.
. This article was transcribed from the Christian Contender Vol. 1,
No.3, April 1984 by Anton Johnson. They reprinted it by permission of
A.L.L. About Issues Magazine, P.O. Box 490 Stafford, Va. 22554.
Computers for Christ - Chicago
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reply from: Teresa18

Here's a link with a little snippet:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2007/01/26/news/councilor.decries.news.about.aborted.fetuses.html

reply from: yoda

You can take "my burden" and put it where the sun don't shine, bozo.......

reply from: pookiy1980

I've never heard of anyone claiming to have "doctored" a picture of an aborted baby before, and I'm 100% sure you do not speak for pro-lifers in general. There is NO NEED to doctor any pictures, many aborted babies are found in trash cans and in sewers!
You do us all a disservice by such a silly statement. Why in the world would you even want to do such a thing???
I personally have not doctored abortion pix silly! I am just saying pictures are easily doctored as I have done some myself...maybe of a cat or my brother with someone else face....
I have not heard of anyone admiting to it either. I wonder if the aborted babies you are talking about are some of the ones who were actually delivered then the mother dumped them????
Why should a picture of a late term abortion be used for a woman having an early abortion? Why not just give her the facts of what is happening when she aborts, show her maybe sonogram pictures?

reply from: pookiy1980

So you're saying kill the babies instead of raising your taxes?
I reposted my comment and that should answer your question. I think you read it incorrectly.
The moochers, those who have jobs drive new cars and lie on taxes to get extra$$ and get gvt health care, food stamps, free housing exc.
Those who need it, the mothers who feel they need to abort d/t not having any money???? The parents working 2 jobs struggling to get by???
and my taxes were not rasied we just worked out buts off and the gvt did not take out enough taxes thus I have having to pay now....

reply from: AshMarie88

So why have people found dead children in jars in dumpsters and alleys?
But still, why treat them are "waste"? They're HUMAN BEINGS, they deserve to be respected as such. Give them funerals, something, anything but "dispose of them" like clinics do.

reply from: AshMarie88

Actually, don't kill children at all! How's that?

reply from: faithman

The only thing truthful about your post, is when you admit to being a skank. How you can tell when a pro-abort skank is lying is when their mouth moves.

reply from: pookiy1980

I know that there is an exhibit called Body Worlds. Despite having a human embroyo (we do not know if induced or natural abortion) they also have adult humans on display. They are "plastinates". This is what they use to preserve them....kind of freaky
So I thought intact was all the "parts" were still together (unlike the vaccume where the body is mismembered) So I did a little research and I am still unclear of the hysterotomy procedure for abortion. I found on one page "The doctor cuts the umbilical cord in-utero and waits seven minutes. The baby dies and is then delivered. " I also found "In the case of a hysterotomy the uterus can be opened up and emptied of the live fetus and its placenta and membranes. A hysterectomy involves removing the entire uterus, with the fetus and the placenta and membranes"
So now I am confused...
I am familiar with the NEJM and nowhere could I find anything about this. I did find this quite discusting..http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html but also found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Yu
severed heads??? a cut off head?? kept alive for months?? how??
So if we can pay for documentations/sources about the listed then surly we can find them online/med. journals exc. Did not find much of the listed....
I guess my point of looking at these couple items listed is, why do we have to pass this along to others as a reason why abortion is wrong? There is no clear proof of these things so some could be not true...
However there is clear proof that abortion is killing the fetus inside you, we can also very easily get proof of this. Or tell them the baby has a heart beat and is able to move exc. all things easily prooven and true...unlike using babies for shampoo...??? who came up with this????

reply from: faithman

The best all round info to educate folk about abortion is the I AM A PERSON card. Which I will send a sample to you for free.

reply from: momofavjg

>>>>"A study on the severed heads of 12 babies delivered by C-section who
were kept alive for months."
severed heads??? a cut off head?? kept alive for months?? how?? <<<<<<<<
Dr. Harold O.J. Brown later explained in Human Life Review that "the third study described involved the decapitation of well-developed human fetuses and the artificial maintenance of the severed heads for a certain period by attaching them to an apparatus that perfused them with blood containing the necessary oxygen and nutrients" (italics added). Of course the media made no mention of fetal experimentation, in utero or ex utero. They had already circled the wagons to defend Roe v. Wade.

reply from: galen

where in the world did you find that?

reply from: momofavjg

'Abortionist Curtis Stover filed an affidavit stating that he vomited after observing abortionist James Park's method of disposing of aborted fetuses of 15 to 22 weeks gestation: he ground them up with a standard kitchen meat grinder and flushed the tissue down the sink. In a letter to the health department, Stover stated that Parks told him he had developed this method because the fetuses would "stop up" the toilet and because he did not want fetuses retrieved from the trash by pro-lifers. (Letter by Stover dated 6-15-92, affidavit by Stover dated 6-15-92; Up The Creek 9-11-92; excerpt from Parks' deposition 2-4-91 Arapahoe County District Court Case No. 90CV432)'

reply from: JasonFontaine

This is the example I was looking for - the story I wrote and pictures promoted are an example of this side of our fight....the analogy....
"To the King's surprise - this egg, with no head, no mouth to be fed and no legs, cracked just past sunrise! Thus, the King was fed in the head with the thought of knowing, from this egg, thought of as dead - a chick was growing!"
It's an analogy....but I think it's a great story and picture to remind all who get one where life begins....with the EGG....
http://web.mac.com/jasonfontaine

reply from: yoda

That's not the purpose of such visual aids. We already know it is wrong, and so do most proaborts. The only question remaining is "Just HOW wrong is it?"
That's where the visual aids come in. By seeing a live unborn baby, and then seeing a dead aborted baby, we get a much more personal sense of the moral wrong involved. A picture is worth way, way more than a thousand words where right and wrong are concerned.
You can put people to sleep with a long, detailed discussion of why abortion is morally wrong, but a few photos can wake them up.


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