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Any pro-lifers here make exceptions?

by: AshMarie88

Do any of you make abortion exceptions? I myself only make an exception for tubal/ectopic pregnancy, and nothing else.

reply from: Shiprahagain

I don't have abortion exceptions. That's b/c I believe the intent of abortion is to kill the child. I think that in life of the mom cases, i.e. tubal pregnancy, the goal should be to remove the baby to save the mom but also to do everything possible to then save the baby. Both the baby and the mom can survive an ectopic pregnancy http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4197194.stm. In such instances, b/c your goal is to save both, you aren't doing an abortion

reply from: AshMarie88

I agree, if you can save the baby and the mom, save both. But in many many cases, the baby can't be saved because the tube bursts too early in the pregnancy, therefore both the mom and baby die. Eh, maybe that's negative.
The link didn't work...

reply from: Shiprahagain

Trying going here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy and then from the bottom of the page click on "special baby grows outside the womb"

reply from: yoda

Try this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3261601.stm
And here's another similar one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/444381.stm

reply from: Shiprahagain

Thanks for those kind words, CP. I have to thank you for that story you shared of saving your unborn child from abortion.

reply from: bradensmommy

ONLY if the baby and mom can't be saved and that isn't 100 percent sure. Ectopic pregancies you have really no choice unless a miracle happened.

reply from: xnavy

i have to agree with the views of only an ectopic pregnancy

reply from: paddygarcia

This is topical, from a friends blog:
Tuesday, August 22, 2006
Proto Eugenics and 'Choice'
The Scottish professor Neil McKegany, of the Centre for Drug Misuse Research, suggests implimenting a policy of paying heroin addicts not to have children, by giving cash in return that women take long term contraception. But even worse than this he suggests that those who are already parents be given a year to kick their habits or have their children taken away - permanently, for adoption.
A spokesman from the Catholic Church rightly asked where this would end. Who would be next? Alcoholics? He was probably only too aware of the eugenic undertones of this. Prior to World War II and Hitler's eugenic Reich the Church was the strongest opponent of eugenic ideas that had wide support among the elites. Sadly many progressives found themselves on the wrong side, and bought into destructive ideas of social engineering, the idea that 'inferiors' should be dissuaded from breeding.
Fabians such as Bernard Shaw, the Webbs, and HG Wells supported negative eugenics.
But most notable was the founder of 'Planned Parenthood' Margaret Sanger, the birth control activist and modern 'feminist' heroine.
The proposed policy in Scotland gets bleaker. Worse still, the Labour Party are considering adopting it as part of their manifesto. It is suggested that addicts sign a contract agreeing not to have children. If they breach the contract not only will the children be taken away from them but their methadone prescriptions and State benefits will also be withdrawn.
This in the wake of the tragic deaths of some children who died as a result of neglect by addicted parents. But it is a vicious response that will help nobody. Parents with such problems should be given all the help they need to support their children, along with adequate treatment for addiction geared towards the need of the individuals. They do not need threats like these. Drug addicts have enough problems as it is. I have seen parents who have had their children taken away due to addiction - and the loss has worsened their problems. Losing all you have only makes you want to give up completely, driving you further into despair. Yet the plans wish to make it easier for children to be removed from parents in such situations. If the new plans come into fruition women pregnant while attempting to recover from an addiction will only have two choices - abortion or removal of not only your baby but removal of all else - treatment and benefit. An extremely stark scenario.
While suffering from or attempting to break from an addiction is not the ideal time to have children, but draconian policies like this are not the way to address the issue. The way to address it is via adequate treatment and support - support for both vulnerable parents and children from social services and the community.
The Scottish National Party thankfully opposes such proposals. It is yet another example of New Labour getting 'tough' on the most marginalised groups in society - a classic characteristic of the bully, the powerful attacking the powerless.
It is the same mentality of the eugenicists - any measures necessary to ensure that 'degenerates', 'undesirables' etc, do not reproduce. It is not a war against drugs but a war against the weak and the poor.
Any mention of reducing the upper time limit on abortion and 'pro choice' groups such as 'Abortion Rights' are up in arms. Yet they are silent on matters like these, and the proposed draconian policy did not get the media attention that it should have done.
It is also noteworthy how 'Abortion Rights' are silent over the arrest and trial of the noble Chen Guangcheng for exposing the forced abortions and coercive population policies of the Chinese government. This was a removal of reproductive choice for women, and if they really were in favour of choice they would be wholeheartedly backing him. They cannot argue that they only focus on British law, as this article shows that they do think internationally, at least when it suits them. They are not only silent about Chen but are also silent about forced abortions and coercive population policies full stop. They only care about 'choice' when the choice involved is abortion. The only ' reproductive right' they care about is the right not to reproduce. Their propaganda is full of misinformation. It is high time that these people be exposed as the liars they are, and that the left and trade unions stop giving this group the unconditional support that they do. They quite often get articles published in the left wing press, yet it is very difficult for left wing pro lifers (or even those who simply wish to see restrictions such as a reduction in the current time limit) to get any space. They stop the left from being able to have an open and honest debate on the abortion issue, as they and similiar minded people long ago succeeded in enforcing a false consensus and a climate of fear around this particular shibolleth.
'Reproductive rights' have long been denied in China, and now the British government are talking of denying them to the most vulnerable people in the country. Some of us must speak up against it. An attack on the most marginalised is symtomatic of a wider mentality. It is a dangerous mentality, the pro death ethos, and it must be fought tooth and nail. 'First they came for......'
As the spokesman from the church recognised (and he seemed to have been the only one to have expressed this insight) it may not stop with drug addicts. Hitler in fact began with the mentally ill. Nobody objected to this, and thus he was given leeway to move in on other 'defected' people. Drug addicts occuoy the same kind of position today. They are stereotyped in all kinds of ways and are generally thought of as being if not evil then at least undeserving. But they are people with problems - who need the full dignity and humanity granted to everybody else. Full human dignity is stripped from people when their basic human rights are denied.
posted by Liz at 4:27 PM

reply from: paddygarcia

Link to her blog:
http://lafemmecontraire.blogspot.com/
Some good pro life stuff there, feel free to comment, she will appriciate it!

reply from: Tam

Thanks!
I agree with your position about terminating the pregnancy without deliberately killing the child in the event of a medical emergency that threatens the mom's life.

reply from: AshMarie88

I can't understand the logic of "pro-lifers" who make 3 or 4 exceptions. I've seen some people calling themselves pro-life even tho they support abortion in the cases of rape, incest, "mother's life", "child's life", and just the first trimester.
-_-

reply from: AshMarie88

Try this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3261601.stm
And here's another similar one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/444381.stm
Aw, cute news stories! I think I recognize the second story... I think I saw it on the Discovery Health channel not too long ago, but that might've been different, I don't know. Thanks for the links.

reply from: domsmom

What about cases when the baby never developes a brain or lungs or some other seriously vital organ? I hate the idea of it too ya'll, but would they not just suffer and die shortly after (or even before) birth anyway?
That and an ectopic would be my only exception(s).

reply from: AshMarie88

I would rather birth my child and spend as much time with him/her as possible, and then when the time comes, hold him/her in my arms until death comes...

reply from: laurissamarcotte

There's a major difference between letting someone die naturally and killing them. Aborting a child because they'd die anyway is like stabbing a man before he had a heart attack.

reply from: yoda

Mark Crutcher explains that one best: "There are no "Prolifers with exceptions"...... those people are Proaborts with exceptions."

reply from: yoda

Exactly, or like killing a condemned prisoner on death row. It's still an act of violence.
Unless the baby presents a real danger to the mother, the only truly moral thing to do is let "Mother Nature" take her course.

reply from: domsmom

I do see the logic in that. I agree with Ash, I'd want to at least be able to meet him or her and hold and comfort as much as I possibly could! And I in NO WAY consider myself a pro-babykilling advocate!

reply from: lkpaff

Not that it is in any way MY DECISION to make for anyone else but yes I DO make exceptions for certain cases. First of all for the morning after pill. If a woman can take a pill the very day after intercourse there is not much time for a person to have been formed inside of her yet. I do not consider the morning after pill to be a form of abortion I consider it to be EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION. (This is one area where the Pro-choicers are COMPLETELY RIGHT!) I also believe that if a woman is raped she should have the right to choose whether to carry that child or not. And OF COURSE in cases where the mother's VERY LIFE is in jeopardy abortion should be COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE IF IT SAVES THE MOTHER'S LIFE!!!!! . (It should be THE WOMAN'S decision to make as SHE will have to LIVE or DIE with it.) Also maybe in cases where a girl as young as 11 gets pregnant her life could very well be in jeopardy by continuing the pregnancy. In that case the parents of the girl would have a very tough decision to make. And I think that most parents would choose to keep the child they have known, loved and cared for for 10+ years over a fetus that they don't even know yet. ACCIDENTS, MISTAKES AND RAPES DO HAPPEN PEOPLE! LET'S NOT BURY OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T!!!!! Can't we find some middle ground here???? Noone likes a FANATIC. We have to respect EVERYONE'S RIGHTS INCLUDING THE RIGHTS OF THESE MOTHERS. God loves them too you know!!!!!! STOP JUDGING PEOPLE BEFORE YOU EVEN KNOW THEIR STORY!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

I have never heard of a woman being FORCED TO HAVE AN ABORTION. Can you please tell me where this happens? THAT OF COURSE WOULD BE WRONG IF IT IS AGAINST THE WOMAN'S WISHES AND EVEN MURDER IF THE WOMAN IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG. (IF THE BABY IS VIABLE OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB.) IT IS HOWEVER EQUALLY WRONG TO FORCE A WOMAN TO HAVE A BABY THAT COULD RESULT IN THE WOMAN'S DEATH. THANK GOD FOR FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!!!!!! IN CASES OF MINORS THE PARENTS SHOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO "OKAY" AN ABORTION NOT TO FORCE ONE ON THEIR DAUGHTER. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE A FAMILY DECISION BASED ON THE BEST MEDICAL AND MORAL ADVICE AVAILABLE. PARENTS SHOULD HOWEVER BE ALLOWED TO PREVENT AN ABORTION IF THE GIRL IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN HER PREGNANCY THAT THE BABY IS VIABLE OUTSIDE THE WOMB AND THE DOCTORS SAY THAT THE GIRL CAN SAFELY DELIVER THE BABY. THAT IS MY OPINION ANYWAY.

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

1)A tubal/ectopic pregnancy is the only case I'm aware of where the mother's life and health are at risk. If the fertilized egg has implanted in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus means can be taken to remove the threat if the embryo continues to grow.
2) The morning after pill is unacceptable because it could prevent a fertilized egg from implanting.
3) If an eleven year old becomes pregnant by an adult (age 18 & over), that man should be sentenced to a long prison term.

reply from: lkpaff

Dear Ashley,
I consider myself pro-life. But I am pro EVERYONE'S LIFE. WHY IS A FETUS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A GROWN WOMAN? ISN'T EVERY LIFE PRECIOUS IN THE EYSE OF GOD???????? OF COURSE IT IS!!! STOP JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THEIR STORY FIRST!!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

AND WHAT IF THE DOCTORS SAY THAT THAT 11 YEAR OLD GIRL WILL MOST DEFINIETLY DIE IF SHE CARRIES THAT BABY TO TERM AND GIVES BIRTH? ARE YOU REALLY SO READY TO THROW AWAY THE LIFE OF A YOUNG CHILD WHO MAY HAVE BEEN RAPED OR JUST MADE AN AWFUL MISTAKE??????? KIDS MAKE MISTAKES YOU KNOW!!!!!! DO THEY REALLY DESERVE TO DIE FOR THEM? AND WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT ANYWAY? ARE YOU GOD? NO. I DIDN'T THINK SO!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

SO MR. (MISS) KNOW IT ALL AM I TO TAKE IT THAT YOU ARE AGAINST ALL FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL TOO? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH GREATER HUMAN SUFFERING ON THIS EARTH WOULD BE IF WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHEN (AND IF!) TO HAVE CHILDREN BY BEING DENIED ACCESS TO SAFE & LEGAL FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL?????? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ABORTION HERE. ABORTION IS A "PROCEDURE". THE MORNING AFTER PILL IS A FORM OF CONTRACEPTION. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE MY FRIEND. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT.

reply from: lkpaff

IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE ME WANT TO SIDE WITH THE PRO-CHOICERS. WE NEED TO RESPECT *ALL* HUMAN LIFE!!!!!!!! EVEN THAT OF THE "MOTHER'S"!!!!!!! (GASP!!!!!!) WOMEN ARE NOT JUST BABY CARRYING "RECEPTACLES" YOU KNOW. THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS WITH MANY DIMENSIONS TO THEIR LIVES. WE NEED TO HAVE RESPECT FOR *EVERYONE'S* BELIEFS AND OPINIONS. WHETHER WE AGREE WITH OR LIKE THEM OR NOT.

reply from: lkpaff

BTW ARE YOU A DOCTOR? IF NOT THEN YOU HAVE *NO IDEA* HOW MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS COULD CAUSE THE POSSIBLE DEATH OF A PREGNANT OR DELIVERING WOMAN. SPEAK WHAT YOU KNOW PLEASE. AND *ONLY* WHAT YOU *KNOW*. GOD LOVES US ALL. AND I CAN QUOTE SCRIPTURE TOO!!!!!!!! THAT DOES NOT AN "EXPERT" MAKE YOU MY FRIEND.

reply from: lkpaff

DO YOU EVER REACH OUT TO YOUNG MOTHERS IN CRISIS & NEED AND OFFER TO *HELP* THEM WITH THEIR NEEDS & THEIR CONFLICTING EMOTIONS????? OR DO YOU (LIKE FAR TOO MANY OTHER "PRO-LIFERS"!) JUST SIT BACK AND JUDGE THOSE WHO DO NOT LIVE UP TO *YOUR* STANDARDS?????

reply from: lkpaff

LOL. YOURE FUNNY OLD FART. WRONG AND UNINFORMED BUT FUNNY NONETHELESS. YOU PEOPLE REALLY THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL DON'T YOU? MAYBE THE PRO-CHOICERS ARE RIGHT AFTER ALL!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE RIDICULOUS!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

HAHAHAHAHA. HOW ABOUT YOU GETTING A GRIP ON REALITY FRIEND???? LMFAO.

reply from: lkpaff

WOW! GOOD COMEBACK! TELLING HOW MNAY MESSAGES I'VE POSTED. YEAH THAT ACCOMPLISHED A LOT!----NOT!!!!!!!!! LMAO. IMBECILE!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

HERE'S A NOVEL THOUGHT: WHY DON'T YOU GET A LIFE OF YOUR OWN AND STOP TRYING TO REGULATE OTHER PEOPLE'S? OR DO YOU ENJOY FEELING "SUPERIOR" TOO MUCH??????

reply from: AshMarie88

lkpaff, I think you bumped your caps button...

reply from: AshMarie88

You are not pro-life. You are pro-choice.

reply from: AshMarie88

"I have never heard of a woman being FORCED TO HAVE AN ABORTION. Can you please tell me where this happens?"
Oh I dunno, try China and many places in the USA... Many girls are forced to abort by many people. And just talk to a couple of the women on this forum who were forced to have an abortion.
"THAT OF COURSE WOULD BE WRONG IF IT IS AGAINST THE WOMAN'S WISHES AND EVEN MURDER IF THE WOMAN IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG. (IF THE BABY IS VIABLE OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB.)"
It's murder period, whether the baby is viable or not. Tho you don't seem to have a problem with women aborting their babies if there is a slight chance they MIGHT die...
"IT IS HOWEVER EQUALLY WRONG TO FORCE A WOMAN TO HAVE A BABY THAT COULD RESULT IN THE WOMAN'S DEATH."
A woman who is pregnant already has a baby...
"THANK GOD FOR FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!!!!!!"
Oh yea, thank God we have the choice to kill our own offspring...
"PARENTS SHOULD HOWEVER BE ALLOWED TO PREVENT AN ABORTION IF THE GIRL IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN HER PREGNANCY THAT THE BABY IS VIABLE OUTSIDE THE WOMB AND THE DOCTORS SAY THAT THE GIRL CAN SAFELY DELIVER THE BABY. THAT IS MY OPINION ANYWAY."
Why not? I thought abortion was a CHOICE to be made by the girl and her own doctor?

reply from: AshMarie88

"Not that it is in any way MY DECISION to make for anyone else but yes I DO make exceptions for certain cases."
Why?
"I also believe that if a woman is raped she should have the right to choose whether to carry that child or not."
So, the child should be forced to die because of a pig's crime? How fair is that? The child didn't do anything to the woman, it shouldn't have to die for something that someone else did. That's like taking a murderer's child and killing him/her because of what the father has done to people. It's wrong.
"And OF COURSE in cases where the mother's VERY LIFE is in jeopardy abortion should be COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE IF IT SAVES THE MOTHER'S LIFE!!!!! . (It should be THE WOMAN'S decision to make as SHE will have to LIVE or DIE with it.)"
Those cases are very rare, AND there's no proof a woman WILL die. Some doctors just guess.
"Also maybe in cases where a girl as young as 11 gets pregnant her life could very well be in jeopardy by continuing the pregnancy."
Not many 11 year olds get pregnant. Have you ever heard about the 5 year old girl that got pregnant in the past and had her child tho?
"In that case the parents of the girl would have a very tough decision to make. And I think that most parents would choose to keep the child they have known, loved and cared for for 10+ years over a fetus that they don't even know yet."
Their grandchild is still existing, and they shouldn't just be thinking about their own child.
"ACCIDENTS, MISTAKES AND RAPES DO HAPPEN PEOPLE! LET'S NOT BURY OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T!!!!!"
Yes, they do happen, no one is denying that. But we aren't okay with punishing others for OURS and OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES/CRIMES!
"Can't we find some middle ground here????"
When it comes to killing babies? Uh, no.
"Noone likes a FANATIC."
Of course they do. Pro-abortion fanatics love their kind.
"We have to respect EVERYONE'S RIGHTS INCLUDING THE RIGHTS OF THESE MOTHERS."
And forget about the babies, right?
"God loves them too you know!!!!!! STOP JUDGING PEOPLE BEFORE YOU EVEN KNOW THEIR STORY!!!!!!!"
Ah, but we aren't judging, we are forming opinions on a topic.

reply from: AshMarie88

"I consider myself pro-life."
Pro-choice, you mean.
"But I am pro EVERYONE'S LIFE. WHY IS A FETUS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A GROWN WOMAN? ISN'T EVERY LIFE PRECIOUS IN THE EYSE OF GOD????????"
Didn't you just contradict yourself?
The fetus isn't more important than the woman, and the woman isn't more important than the fetus. They're both equal.

reply from: AshMarie88

Stop judging people if you don't know their stories!!

reply from: lkpaff

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! YOU RAVING LUNATICS HAVE JUST MADE A PRO-CHOICER OUT OF ME!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!! I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE WHO LOVE AND VALUE FREEDOM THAN WITH NUTS LIKE YOU WHO WANT TO RUN EVERYONE ELSE'S LIFE!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU GOD AND THANK YOU AMERICA FOR ROE V WADE!!!!!!!!! THINK I'LL GO APPLY FOR WORK IN AN ABORTION CLINIC NOW AND (HOPEFULLY!) KEEP OF SOME OF YOUR SMUG, SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION AND JUDGEMENT FROM RUBBING OFF ON ME WHILE I STILL CAN!!!
ROE V. WADE! FREE WOMEN IT MADE!!!!!!! ROE V. WADE! ROE V. WADE! THANK YOU GOD FOR FREEDOM IN AMERICA. ND FOR KEEPING NUTS LIEK THE ONES HERE IN CHECK!!!!! IT MUST BE A FULL-TIME JOB. THANKFULLY WE HAVE A VERY BIG & VERY POWERFUL GOD!!!!!!!! AND HE LOVES *ALL* OF HIS CHILDREN. YES EVEN GROWN WOMEN WHO HAVE THE GUTS AND ABILITY TO THINK FOR THEMSLEVES!---IMAGINE THAT!!!!!! A GOD WHO LOVES THE BABY EVEN WHEN SHE'S GROWN!!!!!! ACCORDING TO YOU PEOPLE THAT BABY IS ONLY "SPECIAL" AND "IMPORTANT" AND IN NEED OF PROTECTION *BEFORE* IT IS BORN. YOU PEOPLE ARE WHACK. AND THAT'S A FACT.

reply from: lkpaff

Just a question Ashely but JUST EXACTLY HOW OLD ARE YOU ANYWAY? Cuz you sound about 8 years old. HAVE *YOU* EVER BEEN PREGNANT ASHLEY? HAVE *YOU* EVER BEEN RAPED? HAVE *YOU* EVER HAD A HIGH-RISK PREGNANCY THAT COULD HAVE RESULTED IN YOUR DEATH?????? WELL LITTLE GIRL UNTIL YOU DO PLEASE KEEP YOUR BIG FAT VILE & UNINFORMED MOUTH SHUT. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOUR LITTLE BITTY "OPINIONS". GO AND DO SOME GROWING UP FIRST SWEETIE. OH AND TRY TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT WHILE YOURE AT IT. IT REALLY DOESN'T BELONG THERE YOU KNOW. NOW GO PLAY WITH YOUR DOLLIES DEAR. AND PRETEND THAT THEY ARE ALL ABORTED BABIES THAT YOU YOURSELF PERSONALLY RESCUED!!!! THAT SHOULD MAKE YOU FEEL NICE AND SMUG AND HAPPY FOR A WHILE. ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN CHILD. ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN. BE SURE TO LOOK ME UP AGAIN ONCE YOU'VE GROWN UP & FORMED A *REAL* INFORMED OPINION. KIDS THESE DAYS!!!!!!! GEEZ!!!!!! NO WONDER SO MANY WOMEN OPT FOR ABORTIONS!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

NO SWEETIE I "TURNED" IT ON. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. SO YOUNG. SO NAIVE. DON'T WORRY ASHLEY. *SOMEDAY* YOU'LL GROW UP JUST LIKE THE REST OF THESE NUTS HERE. OH GLORY BE THE DAY ANOTHER SELF-RIGHTEOUS FANATIC IS MADE! LOL ASHLEY. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH HUN.

reply from: prolifejedi

the surgery involved in an ecoptic pregnancy is NOT an abortion - its not the deliberate killing of the child. They remove the infected tube, which results in the death of the baby. An actual abortion procedure should NEVER be performed in the case of the ecopitc pregnancy becuase the child implanted in the tube AND not the uterus.........the actual ABORTION procedure done in that case would likely kill the mother as well.
maybe someday medical technology will allow us to save the baby and transfer him or her to the uterus.

reply from: bradensmommy

The caps on function does not make one smart, it makes you look like a jacka$$. I think you should be doing your research before coming on here thinking you know everything. Alot of girls/women are forced to abort because they think thier loser of a bf/husband will leave them if they do, most have a very low self-esteem. Use your brain (if you have one) and look around sweetie.
You are making pro-choicers look even more ridiculous.

reply from: AshMarie88

AH THIS PROVES THAT YOU WERE PRO-CHOICE ALL ALONG. IT WAS SO EASY TO FIGURE OUT ANYWAY, FROM THE WAY YOU WERE YELLING AND CALLING PEOPLE NAMES. TYPICAL PRO-CHOICE BEHAVIOR.
BY THE WAY, TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK!!!

reply from: AshMarie88

Heh, you know, I wonder how old lkpaff is. She thinks I'm immature and don't know anything but she herself is immature and just can't stay away from pro-life forums can't she?
By the way lk, you were wondering how old I am. I am turning 18, a legal adult, in 4 months. And if you really want to know, I'm waiting until I'm "MARRIED" (*gasp*!) to have sex and get preg., k? If I was raped, I'd still keep the child. If I was gonna die (or, thought I was going to, but like I said, many doctors get it wrong), I'd put my own child above myself.
Hmm, oh, the thought of letting a child live... what a horror that is!

reply from: domsmom

Yes Ash, she is contradicting herself. And to me she's the one who sounds eight. She obviously has nothing better to do than try and belittle others to make herself feel better. Seriously, how can anyone ever consider themselves prolife and in the same post say it should be the mothers choice to go have her baby killed? Come on!
You've got way more "smarts" (about this anyway) than she can even conceive off. I think she's better at name calling, maybe. I think she may have just turned eighteen or something and thinks she's hot sh*t and knows wvwrything now. I hope your not letting her get to you
And lookie here little miss smartie pants (lkpaff), we are'nt trying to run anyones life; we're trying to save lives.

reply from: AshMarie88

Yea, my one friend was like her once - immature, stubborn, know-it-all, mean. But then she got older and grew out of that. I wonder if lk will.
Oh, and she's not getting to me. Actually, she's making me laugh!

reply from: bradensmommy

Yeah, her lack of intelligence and the desire to use caps lock makes me think she is one of those people who want everyone to know how immature she really is!
Her next statement to Ashley:
ASHLEY THE REASON WHY YOU AREN'T HAVING SEX IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET A MAN
(You know I had to be a smarta$$!)
This girl really makes me laugh!

reply from: AshMarie88

Haha, I used to get that so much...

reply from: bradensmommy

Thats why we ignore ignorant people! Those are the ones who try to act all big when deep down THEY have the problem. I love you for who you are!!

reply from: yoda

EXCEPT for unborn babies, right?
What a pitiful loser!

reply from: yoda

Folks, I think we have a new kind of troll here........ an "All Caps Troll"...........

reply from: AshMarie88

EXCEPT for unborn babies, right?
What a pitiful loser!
Actually, respect all human life except for children, men, non-feminists, pro-lifers, etc. Women should only be respected. *rolls eyes*

reply from: bradensmommy

She had the nerve to tell US to respect human life?!?!? hahahahahahahahahha
Pro-lifers respect ALL life!

reply from: AshMarie88

Yea, I mean obviously we don't really respect life and we pick and choose who lives and who dies...

reply from: lkpaff

Wow Ashley you're a real smart ass aren't you?

reply from: lkpaff

What about the killing (or death) of the MOTHER Ashley? Does that actually count for anything? With you people I think not. You care more about the unborn than you do about people actually living in this world now. What do YOU do to help unwed and single mothers Ashely?????? Lecture them?????????? I would not be surprised. Your mother should have aborted you Ashley. SHE MADE A *BAD* CHOICE. But it was still her RIGHT to MAKE THAT CHOICE!!!!!! LET FREEDOM RING!

reply from: lkpaff

Yoda are you a man? If so then what in the hell gives you the right to say ANYTHING ON THIS SUBJECT??????? YOU WILL NEVER BE PREGNANT! GO SOUND OFF ABOUT SOMETHING YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT FIRST-HAND. GO TALK ABOUT SPORTS OR MASTURBATION ED OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT AND LEAVE WOMEN'S ISSUES TO THE WOMEN. CUZ FRANKLY "YODA", WE DON'T GIVE A RIP WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!! BUH-BYE NOW!!!!!!!! BE GONE!!!!!!! LOSER JERK.

reply from: lkpaff

Pro-life Jedi I have to say I so much appreciate the way that you presented the FACTS without cramming them down anyone's throat. You have a much better approach than most of the "preachers" here. You I would actually listen to! And I believe that most women in crisis looking for answers would appreciate the same. GOD BLESS YOU MY FRIEND. Stay here and help these people okay????? YOU ARE SO NEEDED HERE!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

MOMMY?????? KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***** OFF AND DIE BITCH!!!!!! YOU AND YOUR KID.

reply from: lkpaff

YODA? YOURE A REAL ***** NUT YOU KNOW THAT?

reply from: bradensmommy

This hostile thing needs to get booted and fast...

reply from: lkpaff

WOW ASHLEY NOW YOU'RE JUST MAKING*****UP. I DON'T SEE THAT ANYONE SAID THAT ANYWHERE. DO YOU *ENJOY* PLAYING THE "VICTIM" ASHLEY? DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL SUPERIOR?????? WHAT A *****ING ***** YOU ARE!!!!!!!!

reply from: bradensmommy

Guess how long it'll take you to get booted after my report and probably many others????
Not very long...

reply from: lkpaff

If that is what you believe Ashley then YOU LIVE THAT WAY. But don't try to force YOUR OPINIONS & BELIEFS ON SOMONE ELSE. IT NEVER WORKS SWEETIE. KINDNESS, COMPASSION & UNDERSTANDING WORK SO MUCH BETTER! You may want to try them sometime!

reply from: lkpaff

WAH!!!!!!!!! WAH!!!!!!!!!! MOMMY IS A CRY-BABY!!!!!!! BOO HOO HOO!!!!!!!!! ***** OFF AND DIE CUNT!!!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

YOU WORTHLESS *****ING CUNT.

reply from: lkpaff

YOU'RE THE "TROLL" YODA. YOU AND "ASHLEY". (IF THAT'S EVEN HER REAL NAME!) WAH!!!!!!! WAH!!!!!!!!!! I'M GOING TO KILL SOME BABIES NOW!!!!!! BUH-BYE!!!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

ROE V. WADE!!!!!!! ROE V. WADE!!!!!!!!! HOORAY!!!! FOR ROE V. WADE!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

I'M STILL HERE ***** NUT!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ***** OFF AND DIE CUNT.

reply from: lkpaff

I agree with all that you said Jedi but I want to add that the unborn deserve legal protection "ONCE THEY REACH A VIABLE AGE". That is my only disagreement with what you presented. BTW you are the only person here I can actually respect and tolerate. GOD BLESS YOU JEDI!!!!!!! You have a mind AND A HEART!!!!!!!! That is not easy to find here at this site!

reply from: lkpaff

You're right I don't care for *****s (like you). Sorry! It's just not in my nature. I actually prefer NICE & REASONABLE PEOPLE. You probably don't know any. Maybe you should have been aborted too.

reply from: bradensmommy

wow, just wow...you really got me there....
I'm glad I know some pro-choicers that actually have a brain.

reply from: lkpaff

LMFAO. :-) :-) Listening to idiots like you rant & rave is really making me laugh. KEEP IT UP!!!!! IT'S WHAT YOURE GOOD AT!!!!! LMAO!!!!! :-) :-)

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Most of the people on this forum are good people that help in any way they can.
I have 2 children and almost aborted my 2nd, I thank God everyday that she survived and is happy and healthy. I have been there, being pregnant and scared thinking there is no other option, I know how it feels and yes I try to help. I have a pregnant girl living in my home at this very moment while she is looking for an affordable apartment. My husband and I do not charge her rent and keep her fed so she can save her money for her and the baby she decided to keep.
Every life is precious and every life should be treasured and protected, including the unborn.

reply from: yoda

Okay, I'm putting the new troll on iggy....... anyone care to join me?

reply from: yoda

EXCEPT for unborn babies, right?
What a pitiful loser!
Actually, respect all human life except for children, men, non-feminists, pro-lifers, etc. Women should only be respected. *rolls eyes*
I've got to hand it to her though, she's a fine example of a proabort.

reply from: AshMarie88

My cousin is an unwed single mother, and I babysit her two year old... And I have a story to tell about the entire thing but you probably don't care to even hear it.

reply from: AshMarie88

What is the matter with you??

reply from: AshMarie88

How do you know? You've only been here a day and all you have done was insult people to no end, telling them they're stupid, ignorant, should have been aborted, stuff like that... Hmmm.

reply from: AshMarie88

You know, it takes two people to make a child, and when a woman gets pregnant, whose child is she carrying? Hers and the DAD'S! Men have a say in it too, especially when their child is about to be killed.
I say that they have a say in it. Stop being so selfish.

reply from: yoda

If anyone doesn't know how, just click on the "my forums" link in the upper right corner of this screen, then look down near the bottom left where it says "add ignored user", and click on that. Type in "lkpaff" (without the quotes) where it says "ignore list", and hit the "ignore user" button. I don't know where the moderator is today, but we can deal with this ourselves in this manner.

reply from: Shiprahagain

You know, it takes two people to make a child, and when a woman gets pregnant, whose child is she carrying? Hers and the DAD'S! Men have a say in it too, especially when their child is about to be killed.
I say that they have a say in it. Stop being so selfish.
And who is she killing -- often times a male.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

There's a pro-choicer for ya. So peaceful and loving.
Yeeeeeeeeeaaah... so do you hate yourself then? I don't see anyone else saying "Your mother should have aborted you! I hate you, bee-otch!"
Me too!
Ilkpaff makes Sigma look like Einstein...

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

I was told I should have been aborted by a loud agitated woman during a tour opposing abortion. These killers lose focus on what is important in life; life itself and fellow human beings.

reply from: lkpaff

What is the matter with YOU? I posted my opinion and people started attacking me. How did you think I would respond? And you insist on being such a smart-ass.

reply from: lkpaff

NO RAPE VICTIM SHOULD EVER!!!!!! BE FORCED TO CARRY A BABY SHE NEVER WANTED OR ASKED FOR. PERIOD!!!!!!! ROE V. WADE!!!!!! FREE WOMEN IT MADE!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE HERE ARE NAZIS!!!!!! CONTROL-FREAKS. LIVE YOUR LIVES AND STAY THE ***** OUR OF OTHER PEOPLES. NOW! HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!! LUNATIC!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

STOP PUSHING YOUR VIEWS ON OTHER PEOPLE.

reply from: lkpaff

OOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!!! YOU GOT ME!!!!!!!! I'M HEART-BROKEN!!!!!!!! WHAT WILL I EVER DO????? *****ING MORONIC CHILDREN.

reply from: lkpaff

I'M STILL HERE DEAR!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: lkpaff

I'm 35 little girl and I've had way more life experience than you ever will.

reply from: paddygarcia

Why dont you chill out and grow up. If you have nothing constructive to say just ***** off.

reply from: lkpaff

Oh and Ashley I COULDN'T CARE LESS!!!!! ABOUT YOUR SEX LIFE. (OR WHETHER YOU HAVE ONE OR NOT). WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT TO YOU TO BRING THAT UP ANYWAY? MAYBE BECAUSE YOU ARE DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION?????

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Ilkpaff,
Ah. So preventing a mother from killing her child is "opression"? How sad that some people think that...

reply from: lkpaff

OOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!! THE BIG BAD MALE IS TELLING ME TO ***** OFF!!!!!! WHAT A MANLY MAN YOU ARE!!!!!!!! LMAO. YOU *****ING QUEER.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Ilkpaff,
Wow. What irony. You tell people to **** off, and when someone tells you to do so, you put them down for being. Oh well. I don't expect anything else from a choicer.

reply from: lkpaff

Most women DO NOT MOURN the loss of an UNWANTED FETAL TISSUE. THE*****YOU PEOPLE COME UP WITH.

reply from: lkpaff

LAURISSA???? LICK MY *****TY ASS BITCH.

reply from: paddygarcia

Oh dear, homophobic too are you? Well Linda, Ive been a leftie political activist all my life. Been shot at, tear gassed, water cannoned, baton charged, bitten by police dogs, run over by horses, arrested, beated, banged up and all that. Sorry to disappoint you but a few rude words from an ignorant self obsessed patronising bitch like you isnt going to lose me any sleep.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Ilkpaff,
What a debater. I'm putting you on ignore, as well as reporting you to the moderator.

reply from: lkpaff

PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION IS WRONG. ABORTION OF A VIABLE FETUS BY A HEALTHY MOTHER BECAUSE SHE JUST "DOESN'T WANT IT" IS WRONG. ALL OTHER CASES OF ABORTION ARE FINE BY ME. AND I AM JUST AS ENTITLED TO MY OPINIONS AND BELIEFS AS YOU ARE.

reply from: lkpaff

DAMN! ALL THAT AND YOURE STILL ALIVE??? THAT'S A SHAME MAN. A REAL SHAME. YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO.

reply from: lkpaff

HOW MANY *****S HAVE YOU SUCKED PADDY?

reply from: lkpaff

***** OFF AND DIE CUNT

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Hmm... I might as well not put you on ignore. Ilkpaff is actually pretty entertaining- next time she's on, someone please remind me to make popcorn!

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Exept may I make one sugguestion? The show would be better, Ilkpaff, if you stopped dissing my friends. Otherwise, your temper is pretty entertaining!

reply from: coco

I think that it is hard to "judge" a person if you have never been in thier position.
And ikpaff you are right most peoples approach on this board is "off" ,to say the least, and I understand why you felt personally attacked.

reply from: paddygarcia

Im opposed to euthanasia, but an exception should be made in your case you attention seeking infantile social inadequate.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

Zomg! Who woke up with major issues??
Maybe you should keep your caps lock off and talk normally and civilized. Unless sophisitcation is beyond your comprehension....maybe I shouldn't bother.

reply from: bradensmommy

wow, she must be still talking out of her wazooie cause I had to go all the way back to page 4 to see any of the posts! (yes, I still have her on iggy, ignorance makes me vomit)

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

lkpaff; i have never, not even once, used profanity in my life. You use terms like c*nt, sucking *****s, ****ing queer, etc. Such words have never come out of my mouth. You seem fixated on slang sexual perversion expressions. I would never have a person with moral character as low as you in my house. You are a real work. Do you live in the gutter or the sewer? Are you whacked out on drugs, prostitution, or alcohol? You have left the decent and real world.

reply from: Questioner

"Pro-Lifers" make exceptions all the time.
Their own case is the exception. I saw one of the so-called sidewalk counselors, who hung out in front of the clinic around the corner from my house, bring a young lady that looked like her daughter to a clinic downtown for what I assume was an abortion. I'm sure she thought theirs was an exceptional case. Her conscience must have bothered her because a few months later she stopped hanging out by the clinic, but recently she has started coming back occasionally.
As far as who gets to make the decision, it is clear that most people on this board wouldn't want Ikpaff making the decision. I'm sure that Ikpaff wouldn't want most of the people on this board making the decision. So I have a unique suggestion, why don't we just leave it up to the woman to make her own decision?

reply from: Shiprahagain

Why don't we leave it up to the slaveowner to decide about slavery? Why don't we leave it up to the rapist to decide about rape?

reply from: holopaw

Is there some type of Pro-Choice school where they learn the same, tired arguments?

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

Why don't we leave the murderers to make their own choice whether to murder or not? Why not let child abusers decide for themselves whether to abuse a child or not?
For the same reason that we outlaw other acts of violence we do not leave the decision to commit violence against children in the abuser's hands (the violence called abortion).
What is unique about your suggestion? Allowing women the right to choose to kill her own child has been held up as the glorious shining ideal of the Pro-Abortion argument.

reply from: prolifejedi

Are you sure this woman was a sidewalk counselor? She might have been an escort for the clinic. Unless she was trying to hand out fetal development literature or other prolife literature, she probably was not a sidewalk counselor.

reply from: AshMarie88

They're not true pro-lifers.

reply from: AshMarie88

I'm desperate for attention? I'm not the one making all these stupid posts, telling people to die, be raped, etc.
YOU are what people describe as an "attention whore". Are you proud?

reply from: AshMarie88

We're all tissue, lkpaff.

reply from: AshMarie88

That's not very pro-choice... Why should that same woman be rejected to abort her "unwanted fetal tissue" and other women allowed? Why do you care if that "fetus" is viable?

reply from: AshMarie88

That's what I think too, lol.
I don't like putting people like them on ignore anyway...
By the way, do you want no butter, light butter, or extra butter on your popcorn?

reply from: yoda

That's all well and good, and I respect your opinion..... but could you (and other posters here) do me one favor? Could you just not quote her in your posts, maybe just include her name but not her vulgarities?
That would make the forum so much less disgusting........ at least until we get a moderator back to the forum.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Extra buttery... yum!

reply from: bradensmommy

So I'm assuming it got banned?

reply from: Tam

Do you seriously expect this sort of post to be treated as a serious expression of your position and an invitation to engage in rational debate? Just wondering.

reply from: Tam

Really? Why do you feel this way? (I agree with you, but I'd like to know what your reasons are for holding this position.)

reply from: Tam

No, they don't. People who call themselves pro-lifers make exceptions sometimes, but people who actually are pro-lifers make no exceptions to the position that the life of the child and the life of the mother are both precious and irreplaceable and are of equal value--neither more important than the other.
It is exactly for reasons like this that there should be a law against abortion. If even people who Know Full Well that it's murder will still engage in it because it's legal, the law is there to protect innocent children from such hypocrites and weaklings.
When it comes to HER life, I'm fine with that. When it comes to the life of her child, that "decision" is the child's. The only one who should have the power to take a life is the one whose life it is.

reply from: yoda

I certainly hope so. "It" was giving me a pain......

reply from: AshMarie88

Alright, I made a ranting blog on myspace last night if anyone cares to read... Heh, I seem to rant a lot.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=17697791&blogID=161259321&Mytoken=1004F5CE-A0B7-4CC4-B9F205C83FE79AD2995412656

reply from: yoda

"This blog is set to private. This user must add you as a friend to see his/her blog."

reply from: AshMarie88

"This blog is set to private. This user must add you as a friend to see his/her blog."
Huh... weird. I'll see what the problem is, or if I can change it.

reply from: yoda

Much better...............
"Currently you are not allowed to post comments to this blog entry.
This blogger only allow blog comments from friends."

reply from: AshMarie88

Yea, I don't like people not on my list posting comments on my blogs. Also, you need an account to post.

reply from: yoda

Got the account, it was free, and can be used for storage of graphics files.

reply from: Tam

I like this comment:
I agree--when a woman says she's pregnant, it should be a celebration in the whole community, not something of which she should ever be made to feel ashamed. For anyone who would condemn her on religious grounds, I would say--God doesn't make mistakes, but we do. She made a mistake--but God gave her this baby for a reason, so if you must reproach her, be sure it is crystal clear that the fact that she got pregnant is NOT something for which she deserves blame or censure, even if you feel you must censure her sexual behavior that led to the pregnancy. God obviously wanted THAT baby to come into the world at THAT time.

reply from: bradensmommy

I'm commenter #4 if you wanna see what I actually look like!

reply from: Tam

I assume the cute pix on your page are Braden! Cute!!!

reply from: bradensmommy

yep thats the lil man!

reply from: KaliMajicouBaxt

I have no abortion exceptions. Ever. I admit hard cases; but I think a thing can be morally right and still be impractical, harsh, and even seem uncaring.
I like analogies...
Let's say you have a pychic flash that your neighbor Bob is going to spill coffee on his lap while pulling out of the driveway and, distracted, run you over on your daily jog. Do you have the right to kill him and prevent your inadvertent death? It's a difficult issue, I know, but if we're going to look at this from a moral standpoint, we need to approach it philosophically, not emotionally. Murder is a moral offense; accidently killing someone is not, it is merely sad. Killing Bob is a moral offense; him hitting you with his car, while sad, is not morally wrong. Abortion, likewise, is a moral offense; dying from pregnancy is not.
Why do we expect that a mother will run out in traffic and save her six-year-old at the expense of her own life, but don't think pregnant women should risk their lives for the possible salvation of her baby? What would we think of a woman who chose to murder her six-month-old baby in order to save herself from the possibility of death? Pity, most likely; but we would never (I hope) believe she made the best possible choice.

reply from: lovingmommyof2

Great points KaliMajicouBaxt. Welcome to the forum.

reply from: faithman

I personally do not make exceptions. For the sake of the debate though, it must be pointed out that the hard cases were already legal before roe. These are non-issues. What is at issue is the 99.9% of elective abortion done on perfectly healthy moms and perfectly healthy womb children. If you lay down and spread your legs, a baby is the posible out come. OOPS don't exactly cut it if you have an "accident", and a child does not deserve to be murdered just because you weren't sincere about the invitation to life. The constitution does not secure the "right " to abortion, but it does in the first paragraph, exstend the blessing of life to prodgany, future generations, I E womb children.

reply from: Tam

Great points, KMB and fm.


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