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by: JosieCashew

I saw someone on tv holding a poster that said "CHOICE ROCKS."

reply from: AshMarie88

In other words, ABORTION rocks.
Very disturbing. :/

reply from: yoda

Maybe she meant "killing babies with rocks is kewl"?

reply from: krazzycool

So? giving women choces does "rock" i personally want to have options if i ever get in a situation with an unwanted pregnancy. I would want all my options open wheater it be adoption, abortion, or just going though the pregnancy.

reply from: AshMarie88

Really? Then I guess one of those "choices" isn't abortion. If one of those choices IS abortion, then you are indeed pro-abortion. Just like you're pro-adoption and pro-pregnancy/parenting.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Choice does rock indeed! I don't think a woman should just be forced to keep the baby after birth! She should have the choice of adoption too! You go girl!

reply from: AshMarie88

Choce does rock indeed! I don't think a woman should just be forced to keep the baby after birth! She should have the choice of adoption too! You go girl!
You and me both Laurissa!

reply from: yoda

Sound like the idea of sticking a pair of scissors into the back of the head of a baby doesn't bother you at all, right?

reply from: holopaw

It is creepy that you share an icon with Ash Marie 88.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

It is creepy that you share an icon with Ash Marie 88.
And Tabby.

reply from: AshMarie88

It is creepy that you share an icon with Ash Marie 88.
Why's it creepy?

reply from: krazzycool

Really? Then I guess one of those "choices" isn't abortion. If one of those choices IS abortion, then you are indeed pro-abortion. Just like you're pro-adoption and pro-pregnancy/parenting.
true one of the choices is abortion, but pro-choice and pro-abortion are not synonyms i would love it if abortion were not needed but untill its not it should be available.

reply from: krazzycool

Choce does rock indeed! I don't think a woman should just be forced to keep the baby after birth! She should have the choice of adoption too! You go girl!
yup i would love it if abortions weren't necessary, but untill its not all options must be open

reply from: laurissamarcotte

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.

reply from: krazzycool

Sound like the idea of sticking a pair of scissors into the back of the head of a baby doesn't bother you at all, right?
of course it does.who sticks sissors into the back of a baby's head? no doctor that ive ever herard of most abortions are preformed in the 1st trimester where the featus dies as soon as it leaves the mothers womb.

reply from: krazzycool

It is creepy that you share an icon with Ash Marie 88.
Why's it creepy?
probally because we have conflicting view points...

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Sound like the idea of sticking a pair of scissors into the back of the head of a baby doesn't bother you at all, right?
of course it does.who sticks sissors into the back of a baby's head? no doctor that ive ever herard of
Of course no doctors do that. Doctors take an oath to saves lives, not destroy them. Abortionists do this, though.

reply from: AshMarie88

Sound like the idea of sticking a pair of scissors into the back of the head of a baby doesn't bother you at all, right?
of course it does.who sticks sissors into the back of a baby's head? no doctor that ive ever herard of most abortions are preformed in the 1st trimester where the featus dies as soon as it leaves the mothers womb.
Am I the only one who finds this disgusting? (the fetus dies as soon as it leaves the mother's womb). The baby dies after being MUTILATED and SUCKED THRU A TUBE. You're right.
In which case, the mom should have NO right to do that to her baby, just like she has no right to do that to her born child.
And where does it say most abortions are performed within the first trimester? Do you have a link?

reply from: AshMarie88

Krazzy, have you ever seen abortion photos and videos? And even studied fetal development?
You'd think after seeing them and reading on development, someone would be against such a heinous act as abortion...

reply from: GodsLaw2Live

It doesn't do any good talking to Krassy. She's crazy and that's not cool. She says killing preborn children is necessary and she'll support it as long as it's "needed". Is it "needed" so the selfish pleasure seekers can continiue to live their "good life" without any "anchors" attached?

reply from: krazzycool

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.
true but abortion may be the only option for some girls. Some may be thrown out for their homes if they continue with a pregnancy.

reply from: AshMarie88

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.
true but abortion may be the only option for some girls. Some may be thrown out for their homes if they continue with a pregnancy.
Abortion isn't THE ONLY option for every person. Those girls have two other options!

reply from: krazzycool

Sound like the idea of sticking a pair of scissors into the back of the head of a baby doesn't bother you at all, right?
of course it does.who sticks sissors into the back of a baby's head? no doctor that ive ever herard of most abortions are preformed in the 1st trimester where the featus dies as soon as it leaves the mothers womb.
Am I the only one who finds this disgusting? (the fetus dies as soon as it leaves the mother's womb). The baby dies after being MUTILATED and SUCKED THRU A TUBE. You're right.
In which case, the mom should have NO right to do that to her baby, just like she has no right to do that to her born child.
And where does it say most abortions are performed within the first trimester? Do you have a link?
ok again fetus not baby, and between 92% and 95% of abortions occur before the 14th week of pregnancy i get most of my information from here http://www.whv.org.au/packages/abortion.htm

reply from: AshMarie88

Women's health? Pro-choice website.
And a baby is a fetus. Same thing.
ba·by Audio pronunciation of "baby" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bb)
n. pl. ba·bies
1.
1. A very young child; an infant.
2. An unborn child; a fetus.
3. The youngest member of a family or group.
4. A very young animal.

reply from: krazzycool

i have seen them and the ones i have seen have been verry doctored.

reply from: krazzycool

fe·tus (fts)
n. pl. fe·tus·es
The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth.

reply from: AshMarie88

fe·tus (fts)
n. pl. fe·tus·es
The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth.
Yep. Fetus = unborn child.
But child is a less dehumanizing term.

reply from: krazzycool

fe·tus (fts)
n. pl. fe·tus·es
The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth.
Yep. Fetus = unborn child.
But child is a less dehumanizing term.
yup unborn, unable to think or feal

reply from: krazzycool

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.
true but abortion may be the only option for some girls. Some may be thrown out for their homes if they continue with a pregnancy.
Abortion isn't THE ONLY option for every person. Those girls have two other options!
yes they do and i would MUCH rather they choose thoes options, but the third option should remain on the table.

reply from: AshMarie88

Unborn just means not yet born, not unable to think or feel.
By 17 weeks, or even earlier as described by a former abortionist, it can feel pain. And it's able to think, hear, taste, smell, and see by 5 months.

reply from: krazzycool

Unborn just means not yet born, not unable to think or feel.
By 17 weeks, or even earlier as described by a former abortionist, it can feel pain. And it's able to think, hear, taste, smell, and see by 5 months.
true but that out of the first trimester which are the really the only abortions that i agree with.

reply from: AshMarie88

Unborn just means not yet born, not unable to think or feel.
By 17 weeks, or even earlier as described by a former abortionist, it can feel pain. And it's able to think, hear, taste, smell, and see by 5 months.
true but that out of the first trimester which are the really the only abortions that i agree with.
Why first trimester?

reply from: stopabortionnow

you have options ,safe sex ,no sex ,sex & if you get pregaunt you can use apotion or keep it or give it to family or friend.

reply from: krazzycool

Unborn just means not yet born, not unable to think or feel.
By 17 weeks, or even earlier as described by a former abortionist, it can feel pain. And it's able to think, hear, taste, smell, and see by 5 months.
true but that out of the first trimester which are the really the only abortions that i agree with.
Why first trimester?
because thats the only time that scientific studies have shown that the fetus cannot feelpain, know it exists or survive outside the womb

reply from: stopabortionnow

this survives out of the womb stuff is getting old-A baby can survive outside of the mothers womb if you don't abort it & give birth when it's time for it to be delievered.

reply from: stopabortionnow

if a baby is born before it's suppose to that is a tradegity but abortion is planned.

reply from: yoda

Baby-Killing is NEVER the "only option".
There is always a choice between becoming a babykiller and becoming the mother of a born live baby.
You seem to favor the idea of becoming a babykiller. Why is that?

reply from: krazzycool

i would never kill a baby. i am in favor of abortion, or the removal of a fetus from the mother's womb. why? because it's an option for someone facing an unwanted pregnancy.

reply from: yoda

You seem to enjoy persisting in your lies. Why is that?
We can prove by various linked definitions that the use of the terms "baby" and "child" are legitimate and valid uses to describe unborn human beings, and yet you persist in your lies. Why is that?
And your other lie, the one that you use for a signature, why do you persist in that lie?

reply from: yoda

You seem to have no reluctance to continue in your lies, over and over.
There is no hope for someone who will not be honest when the truth is right in front of their face. And quite frankly, there seems to be no hope for you:
MSN-Encarta Online:ba·by noun (plural ba·bies) 2. unborn child: a child that is still in the womb ( http://dictionary.msn.com/find/entry.asp?search=baby )
Dictionary.com ba·by (bb) n. pl. ba·bies 2. An unborn child; a fetus. ( http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=baby )
iNFOPLEASE.com ba.by pronunciation: (bA'bE), -n. 5. a human fetus. ( http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0330371.html )
INTELLIHEALTH: "Month 2: Measures 14-20mm from crown to rump. The baby's heart, although not fully formed, begins to beat and is visible. Medical content reviewed by the Faculty of the Harvard Medical School. Last updated August 14, 2004.
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=25666&p=~br,RNM|~st,331|~r,WSRNM000|~b,*|
BIOTECH Life Sciences Dictionary: http://biotech.icmb.utexas.edu/search/dict-search.mhtml?bo1=OR&word=&search_type=normal&def=baby 2. Edward's Syndrome ( Edwards' syndrome, trisomy 18, trisomy E) Definition:

reply from: AshMarie88

If it's not a baby, then you're not pregnant.

reply from: yoda

There is no hope for one who will not open their eyes, is there?

reply from: 1003

nor for those who will not close their mouths.

reply from: holopaw

It is creepy that you share an icon with Ash Marie 88.
Why's it creepy?
Because she's your antithesis. It's like you're twins. One good, one evil. And the good twin is saying bad stuff.

reply from: holopaw

No one is making you read these posts. You are welcome to leave, your fellow advocates of baby killing would miss you, no one else.

reply from: yoda

1003, no one here will miss you if you leave now. You contribute nothing, you're not even entertaining.
You don't even represent the babykillers very well.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

There a maternity homes, and girls who are thrown out can go to their local Birthright/birthright.com and find a family who will take care of her while she is pregnant.
Actually, in most abortions, the baby can feel pain. And if a mother reads to her baby at six weeks, it can begin learning.
Abortion is like child abuse- the mother brutally kills her child for her own selfish reasons.

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

Unfortunate that the word "choice" upsets you so much.
Does the idea of people making choices make mock of your nondemocratic beliefs?

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

Being pro-choice does not mean that one is pro-abortion.

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

That's quite a leap in conclusions. Amazing feat, yoda.

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

Having choice means being able to choose from several options. How did that simple fact elude you?

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

Really? Then I guess one of those "choices" isn't abortion. If one of those choices IS abortion, then you are indeed pro-abortion. Just like you're pro-adoption and pro-pregnancy/parenting.I find it difficult to follow your argument. If one of the options is abortion that does not automatically mean choosing abortion.
Pro-choice persons do not walk in lockstep and let someone else do their thinking for them.

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

Choce does rock indeed! I don't think a woman should just be forced to keep the baby after birth! She should have the choice of adoption too! You go girl!
You and me both Laurissa!Does that mean that both of you have experienced illegitimate pregnancies and giving up your children for adoption?

reply from: DakotaOutlaw

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.Of course. Then human problems in the world could be taken care of in God's way, by starving people to death, denying them access to shelter and nurturance, killing them off through wars brought about by the pressures of population.
So loving. So caring.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

No. It means I believe in choice- the choice between adoption and parenting.

reply from: Tam

i have seen them and the ones i have seen have been verry doctored.
That is a pretty serious accusation--do you have any proof whatsoever, or was it wholly conjecture on your part?

reply from: cali1981

i have seen them and the ones i have seen have been verry doctored.
That is a pretty serious accusation--do you have any proof whatsoever, or was it wholly conjecture on your part?
Tam, I am very interested in the answer to this as well. It's interesting that pro-aborts are very quick to say that abortion photos/videos are doctored, but they'll never point us to examples of REAL ones, ones they'll admit AREN'T doctored.

reply from: holopaw

Unfortunate that the word "choice" upsets you so much.
Does the idea of people making choices make mock of your nondemocratic beliefs?
The idea of people killing defenseless unborn children does mock the democratic ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

reply from: holopaw

Being pro-choice does not mean that one is pro-abortion.
We know, we know. You just want women to have the option to slaughter their unborn children in the womb.

reply from: holopaw

Being pro-choice does not mean that one is pro-abortion.
If you think abortion is a legitimate solution for a woman who wants to terminate a pregnancy, why aren't you for it?

reply from: holopaw

Choce does rock indeed! I don't think a woman should just be forced to keep the baby after birth! She should have the choice of adoption too! You go girl!
You and me both Laurissa!Does that mean that both of you have experienced illegitimate pregnancies and giving up your children for adoption?
I haven't been shot in the chest with a shotgun, but I'm smart enough to know that I'd rather avoid the experience. I also know that placing a baby up for adoption is better than killing her.

reply from: holopaw

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.Of course. Then human problems in the world could be taken care of in God's way, by starving people to death, denying them access to shelter and nurturance, killing them off through wars brought about by the pressures of population.
So loving. So caring.
Wars have been fought for many silly reasons, I don't believe war has ever been waged because any nation wanted to reduce their number of young, healthy men.
What is loving and caring about a mother killing her unborn child?

reply from: NewPoster1

Unfortunate that the word "choice" upsets you so much.
Does the idea of people making choices make mock of your nondemocratic beliefs?
The idea of people killing defenseless unborn children does mock the democratic ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The idea of women being forced to remain pregnant against their will, or the idea of women maiming or killing themselves attempting to induce a crude, self-performed abortion mocks the democratic ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

reply from: JosieCashew

I don't even want to dignify the idea of killing an innocent child in "pursuit of happiness."

reply from: laurissamarcotte

DakotaOutlaw, would YOU commit suicide by shoving scissors into the back of your head because your family was poor? Neither would I, and neither would an unborn baby.
God is the author of life, no one else. We have no right to take away innocent lives.

reply from: yoda

Ah, another bonehead statement. Which is it, are you ignorant of a practiced liar like other probabykilling advocates?
At any rate, here is documentation of your "inaccuracy":
pro-a·bor·tion adjective - favoring legal access to abortion: in favor of open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736813

pro-choice adjective advocating access to legal abortion: advocating open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/pro-choice.html

reply from: yoda

Ah yes, we know about your loving and caring ways...... like sticking a pair of scissors into the back of a baby's head after most of it's body is already born.... very loving indeed!

reply from: yoda

When pursuing happiness requires you to kill your unborn babies, something is terribly wrong.
"Life", liberty and the pursuit of happieness does not contain a "right to kill babies", does it?

reply from: Tam

Are you actually unaware of the fact that "pro-choice" is a marketing slogan for the abortion movement? It was conceived by professional marketing experts as the best way to "sell" the idea of legalized abortion to a population of people who find killing babies to be abhorrent. Is that news to you?
One comment about the reasoning behind the use of "choice" rather than "abortion" as a rallying cry:
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2005/12/how_marketing_o.html

reply from: Tam

The idea of women being forced to remain pregnant against their will, or the idea of women maiming or killing themselves attempting to induce a crude, self-performed abortion mocks the democratic ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Two things.
1) Legally preventing a woman from committing homicide is a far cry from "forcing her to remain pregnant against her will." No one is advocating locking up pregnant women. But if someone kills a baby, that should be a criminal act.
2) Any woman who is "attempting to induce a crude, self-performed abortion" needs psychiatric help, not someone to kill her baby for her. You are talking about a woman SO desperate to kill a baby that she's willing to take an old wire coat hanger, bend it into some crude representation of a curette, and shove it up inside her vagina, inside her cervix, to fish around in there to try to kill a baby, even though odds are very, very good that she will cause herself a fatal infection in the process. Does this woman sound like she needs help? Obviously! But what kind of "help" does she need? A way of killing that baby that will be less risky for her? Or REAL help?

reply from: Tam

VERY good point! If your "happiness" is derived from raping children, for example, you do NOT have the right to pursue it.

reply from: Hereforareason

"So? giving women choces does "rock" i personally want to have options if i ever get in a situation with an unwanted pregnancy. I would want all my options open wheater it be adoption, abortion, or just going though the pregnancy."
We live in a Nation of choices and rights. I have the right to make my own choices. If I have a boy friend that turns out to be a total jerk and an idiot, then I want the option to dump him for someone else, abort him (bullet through the head or knife through the chest...I wouldn't want to burn him alive or suck his brains out like actual abortion processes)
or stick with him.
"of course it does.who sticks sissors into the back of a baby's head? no doctor that ive ever herard of most abortions are preformed in the 1st trimester where the featus dies as soon as it leaves the mothers womb."
In other methods, the doctor inserts the vaccum and sucks the baby apart, then scraps the mother's uterus.
Or, he injects a saline solution into the baby, and it burns to death.
Krazzy, please tell me that that disgusts you. It's not even humane. We don't treat animals that way.
Amber
Krazzy, you need to get this dvd. http://www.lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Pro-life_Product/?id=3 It goes through the different abortion proceedures. Unfortunatly, it doesn't describe a partial birth abortion. Let me describe it to you. Yes, it is gross and disgusting. It is also true and you can look it up. Get Fire and Ice from Life dynamics and listen to Tiller describe the process.
(Oh, and Tiller, in Kanses, does these all day, he's proud of it). First, the woman is dilated. The abortionist reaches into the womb, grabes the baby's feet and pulls it out of the mother until all but the head is exposed. Then he takes a pair of scissors and sticks it into the baby's skull, then opens the scissors, putting a gaping hole into it's neck. He/she then takes a vaccum and sticks it in the whole, and sucks the baby's brains out. Once the skull is collapsed he removes the dead baby and throws it away.
Krazzy, is that an appealing choice to you?

reply from: JosieCashew

The article in Tam's post was very interesting, but one thing that made me a little annoyed was the author describing his oh-so-wonderful and innocent 1950's childhood. Just because some social problems became more widespread later on doesn't mean that many kids didn't have parents who raised them with morals and encouraged wholesome activities then, not to mention being taught how terrible many of these social problems were, such as abortion. I know this is how I was raised!
P.S. Then again, I HAVE caught myself saying things like, "School shootings? Things must be different from when I was in middle/high school! (in the 1980's) lol

reply from: Shiprahagain

Yeah, I hate when people talk about the morals of the fifties. I'm like yeah, the golden days of segregation, lynching, no white man ever having been convicted of raping a black women, which was literally a favorite passtime, until either the 60's or 70's... No need to even go on.

reply from: holopaw

You should have posted it, but feel free to censor yourself. Shirap is right, white men did rape black women with no fear of reprisal. That's why most African-Americans have white ancestry.

reply from: Shiprahagain

So, until the 60s or 70s, raping black women was "literally a favorite passtime" for white men? Yeah, "no need to even go on."
Yikes. I could see how that could be misinterpreted. I in NO WAY mean all white men, but it was a cruel passtime like lynching. I'm sorry that it came out that way. But it was exceedingly common among RACIST white men. What I meant is that ppl ignore that aspect of history when touting 50's values. Racism was one of those fifties values. Concerned, I am part white, I'm not a racist.

reply from: Shiprahagain

Concerned I'll continue in PM since this is no longer about abortion, but I hope you understand what I was trying to say about wholsesale acceptance of 50's values.
P.S. I just want to address the fact that despite animals and plants, since genetically there is no such thing as a human race, the myth that mix raced people are better is racist and incorrect.

reply from: Shiprahagain

I mean a human race such as Caucasoid or Negroid. There is no such thing as a mixed human being because there is no such thing as disparate races of humanity.

reply from: NathanG

Newposter1,
Does the idea of people paying taxes against their will mock the democratic ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Less money in your pocket means less pursuit of happiness, so the materialist thought goes anyway, and the government forcing you to pay them money, that's infringing on your freedom.
How about people risking personal injury or death from breaking and entering to steal and running from the police because the law says they can't just walk into store and take whatever they want?
Government forces a lot of things and prohibits a lot of things. It may be unjust in many of these decisions, but we recognize that many prohibitions of personal freedoms are for the betterment of society, and that many things must be enforced for the betterment of society. Central to the issue of whether a law is necessary or not is how it affects people's right to life. If an issue doesn't affect somebody's right to life, then it is on a lower rung than an issue that does affect somebody's right to life. If being pregnant was just an unpleasant condition that women sometimes found themselves in--let's pretend that pregnancy was just this condition where women's abdomens swelled up over a period of nine months with fluid due to a cyst in the womb that irritated it and thus caused it to swell, with no other human life being directly involved, and that abortion was really just a "safe and harmless procedure" that removed the cyst and drained the fluid, then legally denying women this choice simply because "a bunch of radical, right-wing anti-cyst-aborting conservatives" want to tell women what to do would be undemocratic, unfair, and absurd. However, pregnancy is not just a "condition," it is the condition in which one or more new human lives are developing to the point that they can survive outside of a womb and grow and develop into more fully independent adults--i.e., it is the means by which new human lives are allowed to live--no pregnancy=no new human life; pregnancy=new human life; abortion=end of new human life. "Forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will" is protecting an unborn child from being slaughtered unjustly. Slaughtering an unborn child so that a woman doesn't "have to" remain pregnant (as if it were a disease or a curse--it's not, it's a miracle and a blessing no matter the circumstances--it just takes the woman looking past her own interests that are at stake and realizing that a new, precious, innocent human's life is at stake) is a travesty, and frankly, an abomination. It is abhorrent. It is detestable. It is child sacrifice. It stains our land with innocent blood and darkens our hearts with murder. But, thanks be to God, even abortion is forgivable through the shed blood of Christ, Whom evil men nailed to a cross according to the ageless plan of the Father that eternal life and forgiveness of sins might be given to all who repent and believe. I am not here to tell people that they are going to hell because of abortion--everyone who has lived long enough to know right from wrong and has chosen wrong (which is all of us who have lived long enough to know right from wrong) is condemned already. I don't have to condemn anyone. We are all already condemned under God's just law. I am here to oppose abortion, and all other forms of evil, and to proclaim that Jesus Christ has died to set men and women, boys and girls free from sin and from the Just and Holy wrath of God that abides on those who do not believe. Repent of your sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, Who died and rose again, and you will be saved. I love you all, even you who support the killing of the innocents, and even you who have had it done to your own child, and yes, even you who are making a fortune off of killing the innocent ones, because God loves us all, and wishes that none would perish. No sin is so great that the blood of Christ cannot cover it, but let us be forgiven and let us go and sin no more, so that the weight of sin and bloodshed will no longer cover our land in darkness and so that others will see our transformed lives and come to know the Savior of lost sheep themselves.
Sincerely,
Nathan Galeotti
God save us, please.
Save our land from the shedding of innocent blood.
Have mercy.
Please.
Save the lost sheep or our land, Father, Please,
through the power of your Good News that redeems lost souls and transforms lives,
In Jesus' Name I pray,
Amen.

reply from: NathanG

Oh, yes, no woman has to have an abortion, therefore no woman has to risk her life or health from a crude, self-performed abortion.
Also, I am opposed to paying taxes to Planned Parenthood, but that is because Planned Parenthood takes thousands upon thousands of innocent lives every year (and does many other evil things, such as promoting sexual immorality to our children, as young as they can get to them).

reply from: NathanG

We don't need abortion to survive. In fact, for the human race to go on, it would be better if it was stopped.Of course. Then human problems in the world could be taken care of in God's way, by starving people to death, denying them access to shelter and nurturance, killing them off through wars brought about by the pressures of population.
So loving. So caring.
DakotaOutlaw,
God's way is transforming lost sinners through the power of the Good News of Jesus Christ Who died on a cross and rose again from death according to the perfect plan and foreknowledge of God so that those who repent and believe in Him will be forgiven of their sins and inherit eternal life. When people are saved by God's grace, they become a new person. When true Christians live what they believe, they address the physical as well as the spiritual needs of those around them. God's way is changing the world through changing people's hearts. God's way is the way of self-sacrifice, shown to us perfectly by Jesus on the Cross. The answer to the world's problems is self-sacrifice, not baby-sacrifice.
The answer to your problems is Jesus Christ Himself.
If you repent and believe, you will be saved. That is the offer that is forever yours as long as you still have life in your body.
With love and sincerity,
Nathan Galeotti

reply from: NathanG

DakotaOutlaw, would YOU commit suicide by shoving scissors into the back of your head because your family was poor? Neither would I, and neither would an unborn baby.
God is the author of life, no one else. We have no right to take away innocent lives.
Well said,
Thank you Laurissa.
None of us would dismember ourselves, or throw ourselves into a meet grinder (closest feasible equivalent to being torn apart and sucked away that I can think of at the moment) either, I don't belive.
Thanks again,
Nathan

reply from: NathanG

She needs REAL help.
She needs people who really care for her regardless of whatever problems she is facing, regardless of whether they are brought upon her by herself or by other sources, and most of all,
she needs Jesus.
(Whether psychiarists can help her or not, well that's a different matter--
maybe if they operate by Truth and Love and not by psycho-mumbo-jumbo -- )
Sincerely,
Nathan Galeotti

reply from: NathanG

Hmmm,
as for Shipra and Concerned, I hope you guys get all your differences worked out. Lets stay focused on the main thing.
I thought the article was great, but I admit that racial injustice did not cross my mind when reading it. However, I was thinking that not all families were looking so great as he described, but he was speaking generally, and generally families were a lot different then then they are now.
The biggest point is that many evils, abortion not the least by any means, and perhaps the worst next to the outright rejecting of God in our land, have been sold to us through the deceitful and persuasive marketing techniques that David Kupelian is telling us about. These evil rhetorical machines must be exposed and opposed, and we must all be willing to be a part of it. From reading the article, I think that the more people who read and consider his book, most likely the better.
I am sorry, Shipra, if his failure to note racial injustices of past times offended you. I do hope and sincerely pray that we will return to the values that founded our land, and that persuaded those who beleived them fully to oppose slavery and evil of all kinds.
Sincerely,
Nathan Galeotti
Grace and Peace and Truth.

reply from: holopaw

You should have posted it, but feel free to censor yourself. Shirap is right, white men did rape black women with no fear of reprisal. That's why most African-Americans have white ancestry.
Was raping black women one of your grandfathers favorite passtimes? What's the point in making such a statement on this forum? Did black men never rape white women, or are we just bashing the white guys tonight? I found the possible motivations I considered for making such a statement to be quite interesting. In any event, I found the statement to be inappropriate.
Shiprah did not merely state that white men raped black women without fear of reprisal, she stated that doing so was a "favorite passtime" (of white men until the 60s or 70s), with no qualifications, and with no real relevance to the context of this discussion. Does that not seem odd? I find racial stereotyping to be equally offensive when it is an African American making the statement as otherwise.
Actually, my grandfather was the product of one of those rapes. I do see your point, but I also understood that Shiraph was stating that the 50's weren't all sunshine and flowers.

reply from: yoda

In every age and in every place, perspective is everything. When you're on the "wrong side of the tracks", things are almost always bleak, but if you're one of the lucky ones, things are almost always sunny and bright... especially in your rear view mirror...
I'll just echo what NathanG said: "Lets stay focused on the main thing. "

reply from: holopaw

Pro-abort maggot punks.

reply from: yoda

I haven't heard much about the maggot punks lately..... even Tiller the Killer has disowned them at last report.... poor fellows... NOT!

reply from: Shiprahagain

Hee hee. My mom is a retired Christian prolife child psychologist. She once helped a woman get over her THIRD abortion. I agree with Nathan -- some psychologists and psychiatrists are crazy, but I highly recommend post-abortive women meeting with Christian psychologists. They can help with your mind and spirit.


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