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by: battynatty2003

i am an english student and for my english a level course i need to write a debate about abortion. i have my own views but would like to hear other peoples views to help me. what do you think about abortion? i think it is wrong to kill a baby

reply from: yoda

So do I, batty, so do I. I think it's always wrong to kill a baby, because no baby is guilty of anything.

reply from: battynatty2003

exactly if a person is old enough and responsible enough to have sex then they can deal with the concequences!

reply from: yoda

They must deal with it, and I would hope that they do so in a responsible, moral manner.

reply from: battynatty2003

i totally agree with you there but i also want to hear the other side of the arguement. i want to see why some people think abortion is right.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

I personally think abortion is right because in my opinion i have no right to tell other people how to live their lives.

reply from: yoda

Then you would NEVER tell a child molester not to molest children.

reply from: battynatty2003

i see your point. personally i wouldnt get an abortion but if someone else does i will not shout and yell at them. i may try and convince them not to but i will never force someone not to.

reply from: yoda

Would you shout and yell at a child molester?

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Then you would NEVER tell a child molester not to molest children.

Apart from the fact i don't associate with kiddy fiddlers and don't intend to, do you honestly think they'd "out" themselves to me? - thereby affording me the opportunity to tell them them what i think

reply from: yoda

You're going to hide behind the "I don't know any child molesters" dodge?

Have you never heard of a hypothetical question?

reply from: battynatty2003

i only agree with abortion in one circumstance. if either the mother is seriously at risk or the baby is so mentally retarded that it will die straight after birth. if i had a mentally retarded baby i would not get rid of it i would love my baby whether it is handicapped or not

reply from: darklight

I personally think abortion is right because in my opinion i have no right to tell other people how to live their lives.

I totally agree with ya mybodymylifegetoverit, to decide over what happens to someone elses body is dictating in my humble opinion and therefore i believe abortion is right.

reply from: darklight

i only agree with abortion in one circumstance. if either the mother is seriously at risk or the baby is so mentally retarded that it will die straight after birth. if i had a mentally retarded baby i would not get rid of it i would love my baby whether it is handicapped or not

what about in rape cases? would you agree to abortion then? mother seriously at risk...does that include the womans mental health?

reply from: yoda

Then why do you support a mother's deciding what happens to her baby's body by tearing it into little pieces?

Isn't that worse than "dictating" to the baby?

reply from: battynatty2003

Would you shout and yell at a child molester?

i would shout at a child molester but thats a totally different topic. but if a person cannot decide whether or not to have an abotion i would tell them not to but if they choose to ignore that then that is not my problem. every person has their own opinion of life. i have mine and you have yours

reply from: battynatty2003

i only agree with abortion in one circumstance. if either the mother is seriously at risk or the baby is so mentally retarded that it will die straight after birth. if i had a mentally retarded baby i would not get rid of it i would love my baby whether it is handicapped or not

what about in rape cases? would you agree to abortion then? mother seriously at risk...does that include the womans mental health?

yes that includes a womans mental health. my sister got raped and fell pregnant from it. she decided not to have an abortion because it is not the babies fault that she fell pregnant. she now says she cannot imagine life without her beautiful 4 yr old daughter. my best mate has just been told that she can not have children because of the abortion she had at the age of 17. she now wish she never did it. i have also miscarried twice and it broke my heart so id hate to no what id feel like if i chose to kill the baby.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

reply from: yoda

WHY??? Why is it "different"?

Isn't it even worse to KILL a child than to just molest him/her?

reply from: tabithamarcotte

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

And a mother suffers from her choice for the rest of her life. What a great circumstance!

reply from: yoda

WOW!!! What an outlook!!

By your outlook, it's better to kill children than to abuse them, right?

reply from: darklight

i only agree with abortion in one circumstance. if either the mother is seriously at risk or the baby is so mentally retarded that it will die straight after birth. if i had a mentally retarded baby i would not get rid of it i would love my baby whether it is handicapped or not

what about in rape cases? would you agree to abortion then? mother seriously at risk...does that include the womans mental health?

yes that includes a womans mental health. my sister got raped and fell pregnant from it. she decided not to have an abortion because it is not the babies fault that she fell pregnant. she now says she cannot imagine life without her beautiful 4 yr old daughter. my best mate has just been told that she can not have children because of the abortion she had at the age of 17. she now wish she never did it. i have also miscarried twice and it broke my heart so id hate to no what id feel like if i chose to kill the baby.

I'm very happy that your sister made a decision that has made her happy. but for those who want/need these abortions if they are carried out in a safe environment then less chance the mothers would have difficulties in other pregnancies. if we illegalise them then surely more backstreet abortions or more women would self-abort...i'd rather legalisation than illegalisation. don't you think?

reply from: battynatty2003

WHY??? Why is it "different"?

Isn't it even worse to KILL a child than to just molest him/her?

i dont no why ur telling me abortion is wrong coz thats my opinion in the first place! child molesters are getting arrested every day and put in prison. do u see people who have had an abortion doing the same? no! Why? because the government is cruel they do not see that a child is getting torn to pieces!

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

WOW!!! What an outlook!!

By your outlook, it's better to kill children than to abuse them, right?

If they are unwanted and likely to be abused if they were born then yes.

reply from: yoda

According to the UN, there is no difference in the death rate before and after legalization of abortion.

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=1209&enterthread=y

reply from: battynatty2003

if a child is unwanted then it can be put up for adoption when it has been born. there is a huge cue for people wanting to adopt! some parents instantly bond woth the child when it is born so its not all bad.

reply from: yoda

I'm trying to understand why you think it's wrong to have a law against abortion (or to shout at someone who's about to kill her baby), but not one against child abuse or molestation.

How is abortion less serious than abuse?

reply from: yoda

"Likely"? Even if they are adopted by loving parents?

Or do you just like to know that babies are being killed?

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

If the woman wants to put the child up for adoption then fine, but adoption is a parenting option not a pregnancy option.

reply from: battynatty2003

its not less serious its worse! i want to see people getting put away for killing their baby too!

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

"Likely"? Even if they are adopted by loving parents?

Or do you just like to know that babies are being killed?

oh yes i'm just a big bad baby killer aren't i, as i said in another reply if the woman wants to put the child up for adoption then fine but adoption is a parenting option not a pregnancy option.

reply from: teddi

Some facts:

There is no form of mental retardation that will lead to death after birth. Not one. It's not the state of the babies capacity to learn mentally that leads to it's death- that comes from organs that are not able to sustain life. Even with anencaphalics- they don't HAVE a brain.

Mother's certainly can be seriously at risk, and that can and does lead to cases where a mom will die if her pregnancy isn't terminated. In those cases, prior to viability (the point where baby can live outside of mom's womb), an abortion can be the only way to end the pregnancy, and the baby does end up dying. However, if one didn't do an abortion, nearly always they would both die.

reply from: darklight

"Likely"? Even if they are adopted by loving parents?

Or do you just like to know that babies are being killed?

oh yeah we love to kill those ickle little babies*rolls eyes*, get over yourself. really...you'd think we took born babies and strangled them the way you talk and/or forced women into the abortion clinic. We want the mother the option, doesn't mean she will doesn't mean she wont. Simply the choice....land of the free i dunno....

reply from: yoda

Okay. Then all I don't understand is why you said you'd never tell any woman not to kill her baby, or words to that effect. Isn't making it illegal the same as telling them not to?

reply from: yoda

WHY NOT?????

It can be an option, if she doesn't KILL IT FIRST!

YOU just don't like the option of not killing it, do you?

reply from: yoda

You say that like a joke, but it happens. Babies that have survived abortion attempts have been strangled to death by the abortionist.

"Land of the free", you say? What's "free" about killing babies? How much "freedom" does a dead baby have?

Where is the "freedom to kill a baby" in the constitution?

reply from: darklight

WHY NOT?????

It can be an option, if she doesn't KILL IT FIRST!

YOU just don't like the option of not killing it, do you?

OH NO YOU DINT!!!!! you do know that we give them ALL options right? or do you assume we grab a pregnant woman and drag her kicking and screaming to the clinic?

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

WHY NOT?????

It can be an option, if she doesn't KILL IT FIRST!

YOU just don't like the option of not killing it, do you?

IF she WANTS to go through pregnancy but not do the parenting bit then of course adoption is an option

IF she DOESN'T WANT to go through pregnancy, then to her adoption really isn't going to be a valid option.

As for me not liking the option of not killing it, thats why i want another baby and would carry to term if i got pregnant tomorrow is it?

reply from: yoda

You don't "give them" anything. They already have the "options" you mention.

The only contested "option" here is that of killing a baby. That's the subject, that and your support of THAT option.

We oppose killing babies, and you support it. It's that simple.

reply from: yoda

And so her "wants" is all you need to say that killing an inncoent baby is justified? Just because she want to do it? What if she wants to kill her born kids? Some women do, you know....... are you going to try to get the law changed so she can kill her born kids legally too?

Sure, your own kids are precious little darlings to you, but anyone else's kid is just dead meat, right?

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

And so her "wants" is all you need to say that killing an inncoent baby is justified? Just because she want to do it? What if she wants to kill her born kids? Some women do, you know....... are you going to try to get the law changed so she can kill her born kids legally too?

Sure, your own kids are precious little darlings to you, but anyone else's kid is just dead meat, right?

Yes

No because once the baby is born someone else is capable of looking after it.

Other peoples' FETII are none of my business

reply from: AshMarie88

i only agree with abortion in one circumstance. if either the mother is seriously at risk or the baby is so mentally retarded that it will die straight after birth. if i had a mentally retarded baby i would not get rid of it i would love my baby whether it is handicapped or not

I only agree with one exception - ectopic pregnancy.

reply from: AshMarie88

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

So.... what would you tell an abortion survivor (a person that was supposed to be aborted, and the doctor actually tried aborting him/her, but failed) if you saw him/her?

reply from: AshMarie88

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

How would you like it if you suffered for minutes being torn up and mutilated while you were still alive? Would it be justified just because it would only be for 10 minutes, eh?

reply from: battynatty2003

http://www.silentscream.org/diary.html

reply from: teddi

Her body but WE care said:

<singing>
"you're so fake you make me shake, you're fade face is so irrate, you share with none, you have no fun, you're living your life in total hate"

Point 1)
Apparently the fetii of other's DO actually concern you as you've spent about 90 mins at least sitting on the other end of a computer somewhere typing them. So, in essence you prove yourself false.

Point 2)
You say that other people's fetii are not anyone's business because YOU say so. No other reason has been given.... well.... you can then let us prolifers care. Why? Well, because we say so!

Point 3)
After a baby is born someone else can take care of it. Yeah, we know that. Before the baby is born only the mom can care for it. Yeah, we know that too. Somehow you assert that "because only the mom can care for it" she alone gets the right to kill it. Come again? Fly in your ointment. That fly is called "a dr or other healhty professional is the one who actually does the killing". In the state of South Dakota (and several others) there are no doctors who live locally who actual will do the killing, so Drs are flown in from other states to do the killing. If, tomorrow, no Drs would do abortions, what has happened to your mother's right? Do you NOW give her the right to FORCE a physician against THEIR will to kill her unborn?

Ok, sure, I'll give you this one: a mother can DECIDE that she doesn't want to care for her unborn. Yet, who does the ACTION of getting it out of her? NOT HER.

Point 4)
The fact that the new life is within her, is PHYSICAL evidence of the mother's responsibility to care for it. Incidentally, there is no CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT for any parent to be able to relinquish responsibility for their offspring. Do you get that? We ALLOW IT, it is not a RIGHT.

I say it's logical, scientific, moral, and should be legal to FORCE yes FORCE a woman to not kill or otherwise harm her baby. It's also logical, scientific, moral and should be legal that we ALLOW her relinquish her legal responsiblities at the point at WHICH it will not RENDER PHYSICAL HARM to her child, ie after birth.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

So.... what would you tell an abortion survivor (a person that was supposed to be aborted, and the doctor actually tried aborting him/her, but failed) if you saw him/her?

I'd ask if they've considered taking legal action against the doctor who botched the op (if they were suffering) or if they send them "thank you" cards if they came out unscathed.

reply from: battynatty2003

how did people in the 1900's cope with an unwanted child? they jus coped with it. abortion wasnt even around in them days and thats how it should have stayed

reply from: AshMarie88

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

So.... what would you tell an abortion survivor (a person that was supposed to be aborted, and the doctor actually tried aborting him/her, but failed) if you saw him/her?

I'd ask if they've considered taking legal action against the doctor who botched the op (if they were suffering) or if they send them "thank you" cards if they came out unscathed.

Doctor? Abortionists aren't doctors. Doctors don't kill on purpose.

reply from: teddi

The one lacking light said:

It's just that its hard to be free when you are dead.

The land of the dead, 40 million times over.

40 million life or dead choices. And think of the endless choices those 40 million could have made, it's like.... in the dec-a-quadrillions (after all we made so many choices throughout our lives)

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

How would you like it if you suffered for minutes being torn up and mutilated while you were still alive? Would it be justified just because it would only be for 10 minutes, eh?

No because i wouldn't be leaching off of someone's bodily resources who didn't want me to - simple as that really

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Ok then, victims of child molesters are AWARE of their abuse for a long long time, whereas "victims" of abortion quite frankly post-abortion DO NOT possess the awareness of their "suffering". So i'd rather concentrate my efforts on helping a born child who is aware rather than a fetus who only "suffers" for a matter of minutes.

So.... what would you tell an abortion survivor (a person that was supposed to be aborted, and the doctor actually tried aborting him/her, but failed) if you saw him/her?

I'd ask if they've considered taking legal action against the doctor who botched the op (if they were suffering) or if they send them "thank you" cards if they came out unscathed.

Doctor? Abortionists aren't doctors. Doctors don't kill on purpose.

so they did alternative medical degrees did they?

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Right.. the baby probably doesn't feel it when scissors are jammed into its head or when they get drowned. They probably don't feel it when its limbs and head are ripped off. Ever seen an abortion video? Have you noticed that a lot of the times, the baby is trying to cry, but can't get it out because there is no oxygen? Check out the links in Ash's signature and then tell me the baby doesn't feel pain.

reply from: battynatty2003

so how would you feel if you were torn into pieces for 10-20 mins? would you feel it and like it? no! so why should you do it to a baby? they feel the same as us

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Because the umbillical cord is still intact

reply from: AshMarie88

Because the umbillical cord is still intact

Oh... by that argument, it would be okay to kill a newborn still on the cord after birth.

reply from: battynatty2003

Because the umbillical cord is still intact

so you should kill a living thing just because it has an ambilical cord still in tact? u have obviously never seen a video and the way the babies try to scream but they cant!!!!!

reply from: darklight

According to the UN, there is no difference in the death rate before and after legalization of abortion.

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=1209&enterthread=y

i just noticed this. i said sweet f all about womens deaths i was purely talking about infertility caused by self-abortion and backstreet abortions that is much worse as the right care isn't taken. And actually you'll find if a women self-aborts if the cord is left in the womens womb (which is likely to happen in a self-aborted case) can make her become infected as it is poisonous. hmm oh yea its a real good idea to get rid of abortion the legal way *rolls eyes*

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Because the umbillical cord is still intact

so you should kill a living thing just because it has an ambilical cord still in tact? u have obviously never seen a video and the way the babies try to scream but they cant!!!!!

Yes i have actually

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Because the umbillical cord is still intact

Oh... by that argument, it would be okay to kill a newborn still on the cord after birth.

no because the baby would be OUT of the woman's body and someone else could take care of it

reply from: battynatty2003

well ur too heartless to care about a baby then.

reply from: AshMarie88

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

thats why i'm trying to get pregnant eh?

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Because the umbillical cord is still intact

Oh... by that argument, it would be okay to kill a newborn still on the cord after birth.

no because the baby would be OUT of the woman's body and someone else could take care of it
But the second after birth when the umbillical cord is still connected to the baby, the newborn is still taking in nutrients from the mother. If you go by that argument, you should be able to kill the baby a few seconds after it is all the way out.

reply from: battynatty2003

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

reply from: battynatty2003

thats why i'm trying to get pregnant eh?

well ur ready 4 a baby. if you werent would you abort??

reply from: AshMarie88

thats why i'm trying to get pregnant eh?

Why would you wanna become pregnant?

Oh, that's right, mother instincts. Just like every woman should have, but doesn't. Mothers also should have the instinct to be against killing all children, not just be for the choice for other women to kill their children.

reply from: AshMarie88

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't.

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't. I second that.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

thats why i'm trying to get pregnant eh?

well ur ready 4 a baby. if you werent would you abort??

I wasn't ready for a baby when i got pregnant 5 years ago, didn't abort then.

reply from: darklight

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't. I second that.

lol oki 18 years old...is going to die if doesn't have an abortion(didnt know this would happen and really wanted this baby) but she is young and therefore watns to live...would you take away her right to live?? you would put a feutus before a living breathing born human being??

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Isn't that what pro-lifers do when they impost THEIR morals onto women and try to get the law changed to appease THEIR morals?

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't. I second that.

lol oki 18 years old...is going to die if doesn't have an abortion(didnt know this would happen and really wanted this baby) but she is young and therefore watns to live...would you take away her right to live?? you would put a feutus before a living breathing born human being??I think she should have a C-Section and put it in a incubator at 5 months and not force her to die.

reply from: AshMarie88

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't. I second that.

lol oki 18 years old...is going to die if doesn't have an abortion(didnt know this would happen and really wanted this baby) but she is young and therefore watns to live...would you take away her right to live?? you would put a feutus before a living breathing born human being??

A fetus is a living breathing human being. It just hasn't been born (LOCATION) yet.

reply from: battynatty2003

A fetus is a living breathing human being. It just hasn't been born (LOCATION) yet.

i agree with this too. all i have to say has already been said!

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Isn't that what pro-lifers do when they impost THEIR morals onto women and try to get the law changed to appease THEIR morals?ProLIFERS do? Oh yeah, we're the ones handing out abortion brochures to every pregnant woman with a Down's baby and pressuring them to get an abortion.

reply from: darklight

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't. I second that.

lol oki 18 years old...is going to die if doesn't have an abortion(didnt know this would happen and really wanted this baby) but she is young and therefore watns to live...would you take away her right to live?? you would put a feutus before a living breathing born human being??I think she should have a C-Section and put it in a incubator at 5 months and not force her to die.

what if there would be complications for the baby if that happened?

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Isn't that what pro-lifers do when they impost THEIR morals onto women and try to get the law changed to appease THEIR morals?ProLIFERS do? Oh yeah, we're the ones handing out abortion brochures to every pregnant woman with a Down's baby and pressuring them to get an abortion.

oh yeah i must have forgotten standing outside an antenatal clinic shouting "kill your baby now" *rolls eyes*

reply from: AshMarie88

Isn't that what pro-lifers do when they impost THEIR morals onto women and try to get the law changed to appease THEIR morals?

Um, it works both ways hun. You impose our morals on us and fight against laws being made against certain things. And when you don't get your way, you insult us.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Isn't that what pro-lifers do when they impost THEIR morals onto women and try to get the law changed to appease THEIR morals?

Um, it works both ways hun. You impose our morals on us and fight against laws being made against certain things. And when you don't get your way, you insult us.

personally i don't fight against laws. I'm more than satisfied with the Abortion Act of 1967

reply from: yoda

"Impost their morals"?

Is it an imposition of morals to try to save an innocent life? Is that what YOU call it?

I'll bet you really hate the rescue squad when they try to save a life, don't you?

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Isn't that what pro-lifers do when they impost THEIR morals onto women and try to get the law changed to appease THEIR morals?ProLIFERS do? Oh yeah, we're the ones handing out abortion brochures to every pregnant woman with a Down's baby and pressuring them to get an abortion.

oh yeah i must have forgotten standing outside an antenatal clinic shouting "kill your baby now" *rolls eyes*Maybe you haven't, but there are lots of people who say "You should get an abortion if you baby has Down's " or "other kinds of defects"

reply from: laurissamarcotte

Oh no they're not heartless! What are you saying?! Caring about herself first isn't heartless, it's good, it's a woman's right to put herself first before anyone else!

Yep. That's how they think. And they think we are the heartless ones...

the only time a woman should put herself first is if she is in serious danger of having the baby otherwise both her and the baby will die either during or just after birth.

I don't agree completely. I think it's a mother's job to put her child before her, even if it lives and she doesn't. I second that.

lol oki 18 years old...is going to die if doesn't have an abortion(didnt know this would happen and really wanted this baby) but she is young and therefore watns to live...would you take away her right to live?? you would put a feutus before a living breathing born human being??I think she should have a C-Section and put it in a incubator at 5 months and not force her to die.

what if there would be complications for the baby if that happened?Abortion means certain death. "Complications" at least give the baby a chance.

reply from: domsmom

I've never understood how any mother of a precious baby could favor abortion. That just blows me away!

reply from: teddi

Her body, we still care said:

I think you are a very confused person. You contradict yourself all the time.

How could an abortion survivor sue, since, according to your own theories they weren't even a person when the crime was perped upon them?

And, if all the "feti" have such unworthwhile lives, so easily destroyable, why do you think they have reason to be thankful?

reply from: Alina

re: 'child molesting'.

Paedophilia is in no way beneficial to society as a whole. Legal abortion, however, is. It keeps it legislated and it keeps women off the backstreets. The benefits outweigh the negatives, thus abortion is legal (well, in my country the law is very liberal). The consequences to child molesting are entirely negative, hence it's illegal.

reply from: battynatty2003

but so is murder and you ARE murdering a tiny little baby. it has a heart beat and it feels things thats y it should be made illegal.

reply from: yoda

Really? Killing babies is beneficial to society? Why not kill big fat people then, wouldn't that be even more beneficial to society? Hey, babies don't eat much, don't take up much room, so if YOU are all in favor of killing human being to benefit society, why not favor killing the big fat ones?

reply from: battynatty2003

all those who agree say here here

"HERE HERE!!!"

reply from: battynatty2003

Really? Killing babies is beneficial to society? Why not kill big fat people then, wouldn't that be even more beneficial to society? Hey, babies don't eat much, don't take up much room, so if YOU are all in favor of killing human being to benefit society, why not favor killing the big fat ones?

i think i might jus go out and kill lots of people then. *rolls eyes* at the end of the day all killing is wrong thats y all forms of killing should be made illegal INCLUDING ABORTION!!

reply from: yoda

I don't get it. Are you the same poster who said something like she'd "never force her child to gestate if she wanted to abort"?

reply from: battynatty2003

I don't get it. Are you the same poster who said something like she'd "never force her child to gestate if she wanted to abort"?

no i said i would NEVER abort

reply from: ProChoice

i am an english student and for my english a level course i need to write a debate about abortion. i have my own views but would like to hear other peoples views to help me. what do you think about abortion? i think it is wrong to kill a baby.

Well batty, I am pro-choice and have many reasons for my beliefs on this issue.

http://www.abortionisprolife.com/faq.htm#fetus

This is a great website that gives facts on abortion.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, right. Abortion is prolife, and violence is peaceful. Right.

reply from: Alina

Not sure exactly what you mean about 'feels things', it responds to stimuli, but that's not conscious perception of pain et al.

Murder is defined by the law. If the law states that it isn't murder, then it isn't murder. End of. 'Murder' isn't an emotional term that can be applied whenever and wherever. Abortion is killing, but there is a difference between 'killing' and 'murder'.

Personally i value the quality of life woman over the existence of the fetus. If she wants to continue the pregnancy then fair enough. If she wants to abort then fair enough. I'm pro choice - it's her decision.

reply from: AshMarie88

LMAO! Facts, yea right!

It's VERY one sided, and I will never believe anything coming from a site saying that abortion is anywhere near pro-life.

reply from: Alina

Big fat people aren't entirely biologically dependent on the body of another person. If they were then said person would have every right to remove them.

Legal abortion is beneficial to society in the sense that it protects women (who actively contribute to society) and keeps them off the backstreets. It actually saves more lives than it ends - thus it's beneficial.

reply from: AshMarie88

Not sure exactly what you mean about 'feels things', it responds to stimuli, but that's not conscious perception of pain et al.

Murder is defined by the law. If the law states that it isn't murder, then it isn't murder. End of. 'Murder' isn't an emotional term that can be applied whenever and wherever. Abortion is killing, but there is a difference between 'killing' and 'murder'.

Personally i value the quality of life woman over the existence of the fetus. If she wants to continue the pregnancy then fair enough. If she wants to abort then fair enough. I'm pro choice - it's her decision.

By 13 weeks, the baby can feel everything in its body. Want me to provide you with excellent, non-pro life, websites?

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

If it floats your boat to think that then go ahead.

I'll also bet that you really hate my doctor who WOULD sign the forms for an abortion if i simply ASKED for one.

reply from: yoda

One person my foot! Big fat people are dependent on SEVERAL PEOPLE!! They suck up enormous resources, they take up lots of space!

You have your priorities all wrong, you should be out looking for big fat people to kill.

reply from: yoda

Why would I hate him? And why would you need him to sign anything? You can get yourself an abortion without anyone's signature, all you gotta have is the cash.

reply from: sportsa

http://www.canadawebpages.com/pc-forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4837

Read this debate. There is a lot of misconceptions in the Pro-Choice world!

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Why would I hate him? And why would you need him to sign anything? You can get yourself an abortion without anyone's signature, all you gotta have is the cash.

In the UK you need signatures regardless of whether its NHS or private, and seeing as how thats where i live .....

reply from: battynatty2003

very true but its the doctors duty to sign the form whether they agree with it or not. my doctor would if i wanted one and he disagrees with it but he does his job like every other doctor.

reply from: yoda

Ah, you poor thing! Here in the US you can just pop over to Killer Tiller's place in Kansas and get your baby scraped out any old time you like, even when the little bugger is sticking his/her head out! Tiller will just kill it on the way out.

reply from: battynatty2003

now i find that out of order!

reply from: tabithamarcotte

And he's filthy stickin rich from doing it. you should see his house.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Ah, you poor thing! Here in the US you can just pop over to Killer Tiller's place in Kansas and get your baby scraped out any old time you like, even when the little bugger is sticking his/her head out! Tiller will just kill it on the way out.

Oh yes thats a good reason to emigrate to the US, just to get an "easy" abortion . Despite the fact i have no intention of having an abortion ...

reply from: yoda

Oh I'm sure you'd be right at home living next door to Killer Tiller, you could tell all his neighbors why abortions are such a wonderful thing!

reply from: AshMarie88

Ah, you poor thing! Here in the US you can just pop over to Killer Tiller's place in Kansas and get your baby scraped out any old time you like, even when the little bugger is sticking his/her head out! Tiller will just kill it on the way out.

Oh yes thats a good reason to emigrate to the US, just to get an "easy" abortion . Despite the fact i have no intention of having an abortion ...

Why wouldn't you have an abortion? Just wondering.

reply from: mybodymylifegetoverit

Ah, you poor thing! Here in the US you can just pop over to Killer Tiller's place in Kansas and get your baby scraped out any old time you like, even when the little bugger is sticking his/her head out! Tiller will just kill it on the way out.

Oh yes thats a good reason to emigrate to the US, just to get an "easy" abortion . Despite the fact i have no intention of having an abortion ...

Why wouldn't you have an abortion? Just wondering.

Because i'm VERY careful about my contraception, and also unfortunately as a result of having the contraception injection i was left with an incompetent cervix, so unless i'm planning on becoming pregnant, i wouldn't necessarily "suspect" i was before it was too late - i had a miscarriage last year as a result of this. Hope that makes sense.


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