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by: hushidh

I have a couple questions here.

1. How old are you?

2. How did you form your opinion on abortion?

Just out of curiosity.

reply from: ScreaminIke

1) i'm 14, but i get my older brother to give me big words. he's 17. he's going to be a chef some day.
2) my brother tells me what to write.

reply from: ScreaminIke

lol. no. i'm really a 64-year old grandma, and i decided to be pro-choice when, after a failed suicide attempt, my mother told me she was going to have me aborted at 7 weeks.

reply from: galen

I am 43 yo.
I'm an RN and formed my position on abortion because my friends wanted me to have one when I was pregnant with my first child. We had no $$ and no insurance, I had my baby. When I was in nursing school I was asked to assist on several AB's in the hospital.... ones that were preformed for reasons of health to the mother. The first one was a fetus of 12 wks and it broke my heart, the child was perfectly formed, but the mom had gone into seizures from HBP due to ecclampsia. The last 2 were for anacephaly ( missing brain) and were equally traumatic for all involved. I swore i would do all I could to sway anyone from having to feel they must make this decision based on anything other than a dire health risk. it moved me to become involved with my church again and to give my time and $$ to a crisis women's shelter.

Mary

reply from: AshMarie88

1. 16, but I turn 17 the 31st of this month.

2. Having so many little cousins and hearing them laugh, seeing them smile, spoiling them rotten... It makes me see that everyone deserves to have those same chances.

reply from: AshMarie88

Oh and I'll add... Getting my cousin's 1 year old son to sleep, rocking him, giving him his bottle, watching him sleep. Kids are so sweet when they sleep, adorable.

reply from: galen

yep...

Mary

reply from: ScreaminIke

what did they do TO deserve those same chances.

reply from: AshMarie88

Are you talking about the unborn kids?

Hmm, actually, they haven't got the chance to do any of those things! That's what I am saying!

reply from: AshMarie88

Let me ask you, what do they do to deserve to be mutilated, chopped up, etc.?

reply from: domsmom

Since when did you have to earn the right to live and be happy?

I am 29y old and became anti-abortion when we were discussing having an abortion with my now 8mth old. I didnt want to, but didnt want our lives to be crazy stressfull cause he didnt want a 4th child. He is the bread winner so I could see his POV. I started checking it out on the net and flat out REFUSED to have an abortion and decided that no one else should have the "right" to kill another innocent individual, either. He whined and moaned about it for a while. Now he thanks me almost daily for not listening to him!
I have no idea what I thought abortion was about before researching it I guess I didnt give it any thought at all

reply from: bradensmommy

I am 25

I have always been a pro-life feminist since I was about 14. I have always thought that if you think you are grown enough for sex, you are grown enough to deal with whatever came about your actions. My child was planned and even if he wasn't, he'd still be wanted. He is now 4 months old and he is the cutest baby ever!

reply from: ThereIsNoRightAnswer

Only problem with this is that abortion could be view as a way of "dealing" with it. There's also the other problem that (at least in our society/North America) sex isn't viewed only as a means of procreation. It has become more...out of pleasure. Society is changing...maybe our norms and values are changing as well!

I'm 22, and can see both sides...Althouugh I tend to lean closer to pro-choice (aka pro-abortion). I'm lost in the middle!

reply from: pray4em

I'm 47, been married 22 yrs. I have one daughter and two sons all pro-life, also one granddaughter.

When I was in grade school our teacher taught us about a mothers love for her unborn child. when I was in high school my brother dragged my along to a pro-life rally, been pro-life ever since.

reply from: Skippy

1. I'm 41.

2. When Roe v. Wade happened, I was nine years old. My father explained to me what abortion was, and what all the controversy was about. I did some research, talked to him some more about it, and asked questions of various people, including my doctor and my priest. (They were both a bit taken aback at the notion of a nine year old asking questions about abortion. ) When I was done thinking on it, I decided I was in favor of abortion rights.

reply from: Tam

Only problem with this is that abortion could be view as a way of "dealing" with it. There's also the other problem that (at least in our society/North America) sex isn't viewed only as a means of procreation. It has become more...out of pleasure. Society is changing...maybe our norms and values are changing as well!

I'm 22, and can see both sides...Althouugh I tend to lean closer to pro-choice (aka pro-abortion). I'm lost in the middle!

The problem is that "dealing with" something in a manner that includes the violent death of an innocent child is not (depending, of course, on your individual view--it is, after all, a matter of opinion) a moral action to take. There are many ways we can deal with our problems--and to be blunt, nearly every problem can be REMOVED simply by killing someone. Argue with someone? Kill 'im. Owe someone money? Just kill the person. Bicyclist in the way of your car? Gun her down. Pregnant lady in front of you in the checkout line? Kill her and her unborn child. Whatever's in your way, you can REMOVE the problem by killing someone--but that not only fails to SOLVE the problem but also creates additional problems.

reply from: yoda

I'm 62, and about 20 years ago my ex-fiance aborted our child, even after my offer to raise him/her alone. "Pregnancy would reduce my chances of promotion on the job", was the stated reason I was given. Until that time I had been apathetic about the whole subject, but after that I began to look into it and debate it online. I was amazed at how superficial, selfish, and dishonest the proabort arguments for killing babies really were. I've been against abortion ever since, and I've become an activist.

reply from: cali1981

Wow, Yoda - I didn't know that.

reply from: ScreaminIke

LOL! VADER GOT PWNED! NOOB! LOL LOL! ROFL LOL!!!!!!

reply from: Tam

what the hell is that ranting supposed to mean? It better not mean that you're rejoicing at the death of yoda's child. If that is what you meant by it, there is nothing you can possibly say by way of apology that will make me ever think of you as anything other than a . . . never mind, there is not a single word I can think of with which to end the sentence in a way that wouldn't set off the profanity filter.

reply from: AshMarie88

That's not very funny. His WANTED child is gone, and you are laughing about it!

I'm sure you'd feel horrible if you wanted your child but your wife/ex aborted anyway.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

I am 14 years old, and I've been pro-life almost all of my life. My mum told me what abortion is, and it was the most frightening thing I had heard of back then besides spiders. Then I was introduced to the Bible, and I read it and learned more on what God thought of children and killing the innocent. My mother then showed me many websites and radio/TV shows that were pro-life and since then I've been a pro-life activists who reveals the truth about abortion and the industry for quite some time now...especially to my friends, since they don't know that much on the subject. High school is a trivial place these days, after all...

reply from: shady1080

Original ScreaminIke,

What did YOU do to deserve those same chances??

reply from: bradensmommy

I can tell that you really are 14, grow some brains and some pubes while you're at it. You don't deserve to even debate on this board. You are very pathetic, tell your brother he isn't very smart either.

reply from: ScreaminIke

i'm not claiming i did anything to deserve them, shady.
and bradensmommy... nice ad hominems. why are you so sure i'm not a 64-year-old grandmother?

reply from: chantistar

hey dom which sites did you go to to change ur mind? congrats on ur baby <3

reply from: chantistar

i'm so sorry for your loss. my dad is 61

reply from: chantistar

ur a dumba** at any age

reply from: galen

if you are then you are what my Goth friends call a posure.

Mary

reply from: bradensmommy

Here we go again with the ad hominem word, your brother sure loves to say that doesn't he? Does he know any other big kid words too?

reply from: ScreaminIke

lol. can you commit anything except them? try at least a post hoc

reply from: chantistar

how about an up yours? heart, heart

reply from: bradensmommy

awww did he teach you that word too? Seriously, shut up, you are really annoying.

reply from: ScreaminIke

bradensmommy... if you continually reference my non-existent older brother... you know what? forget about it. i'm not going to respond any more to comments about people who don't exist.

reply from: galen

Good reply to my post where I called you out on your latest vicious and entirely out of place comment to Yoda.

Mary
I'll follow you into the dark

reply from: ScreaminIke

? whaddo you mean galen?

reply from: chantistar

you need to be choked BAD. are you hot?

reply from: bradensmommy

So you were making this up or what? Because I think we all agree you are really 14.

reply from: ScreaminIke

i was TOTALLY making that up. and the grandma thing. i think cali might have a good guess at how old i am, but nothing like what i've posted on this thread.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

I'm guessing you're a college kid, or somewhere near that.

And you DO act like an immature 14 year old.

reply from: scopia1982

I am sorry to hear that Yoda, even after you offered to raise the child, which would have given your ex fiance "her life" back...... Shakes head I can sympathize with you 100%, me also havinf lost my daughter to abortion 5 years ago. Getting back on the subject I am 23 and have been rabidly prolife for the past 5 years. I remember when I was a child seeing the proaborts on the news marching aroud D. C with their "keep abortion legal" signs. I had just learned to read and I ask my mom what abortion was and when she told me. I was horrified as any 7 year old child would be at the thought of hurting or killing babies born or unborn. I vowed to never have one and to make sure that it was illegal one day. Well as a child, I forgot about the vow I made, until I hit high school, where I began to hear more debate and discussion on the subject, I remember the revulsion that I felt when I was told what abortion was... But yet I could sympathize with the so called 3 hard cases of rape, incest, life of the mother. So I was stuck in the middle. But I vowed that for me no matter what , I would never abort a child, it was murder no matter what.. But when I was 17 and found myself pregnant and you know the rest of the story, when I walked out of the clinic, hurt, enraged, downright homicidal, I remember the vow I took as a 7 year old child and said that I would fight for not only the child I just lost, but for all the ones who have been lost and in the future would be killed until this horrible barbaric practice was made illeagal.. So here I am today, fighting for the cause that I swore to see abolished as a 7 year old child...

reply from: chantistar

i saw through his bs first!

reply from: domsmom

initially abortiontv.com and abortionno.org. I also saw the visembryo site and could see pretty much exactly what my baby looked like right then. And thank you for the congrats!

reply from: AshMarie88

initially abortiontv.com and abortionno.org. I also saw the visembryo site and could see pretty much exactly what my baby looked like right then. And thank you for the congrats!

Abortionno is great.

They sure get a lot of hate mail and trolls, tho...

reply from: domsmom

Abort73 gets TERRIBLE troll activity, too. I've seen several of your posts on Abortionno and i must say, I thought you were MUCH older. Some of the points you make are extremely mature and sensable. Better than I can come up with a lot of times!

reply from: yoda

That's the BEST evidence they could have to show that they are being effective. Proabort trolls don't bother with those they don't fear.

reply from: ScreamingIke

ok. something has been bothering me for a long time.

is that a come-on? like... are you hitting on me?

reply from: Tam

Just to clarify what you meant by this--did you, in fact, by what you wrote above, mean something that could be rephrased as, "Ha! This guy wanted his kid to live, but his girlfriend killed the kid anyway! I laugh in his face! Your kid got killed--that is hilarious to me! I am laughing so hard I am falling off my chair at the notion of your child being killed against your wishes! Joke's on you! Ha ha! Your baby died! Ha ha ha!!"

?? Is that what you meant? If not, what DID you mean?

reply from: ScreamingIke

you know, i actually laughed reading what you wrote.

of course i didn't mean that i "lauged in his face". the rest of it, though... interesting paraphrase. funnier than the original, i dare say. though i've heard a number of chuckles from it alone.
he said no. she said yes. she won. he lost. losing is popularly called being pwned. vater was pwned. upon pwning or witnessing a pwning, it is appropriate to laugh at the skill of the pwn and comment on the relative lack of skill from the pwnee. therefore, i called him a noob.

it's all perfectly reasonable in my community.

reply from: galen

what the 3rd graders you hang around with/////posure
What you did was spiteful, mean and bleow board. I would have thrown you out of class......

Mary

reply from: Tam

In your community, if a woman killed a three-year-old child against his father's wishes, would you respond in the same way? Or is your derision reserved for those whose children die in the womb?

In what way does "LOL! NOOB! LOL LOL! ROFL LOL!!!!" not equate to "I laugh in your face"?

reply from: ScreamingIke

well... first of all... it's an internet message board. the most i could do is state an intent to laugh in his face. since it was not explicit, i think we KNOW that i didn't state such an intent. as for galen's comments... i hang out with college-age gamers. wasn't meant as spiteful, but in good humor.

reply from: galen

My husband games every wk... the only people we know that act the way you do are the ones who are failing classes and have nothing better to do than make comments about people who became succsesfull while the gamer s and thier buds ended up working at safeway.

mary

reply from: Tam

Just trying to understand your motivation. Do you mean to say that when you read the story yoda wrote, the story of fighting for the life of his unborn child only to have that child killed, you thought it would be "in good humor" to post such a thing to him? Are you so morally and socially bankrupt that you think that it was in GOOD HUMOR to say to a man who just told you the saddest thing that ever happened to him and how it completely changed his life, something remotely akin to what you wrote? What on earth made you consider that to be GOOD humor? If your mom had been kidnapped, tortured, and brutally murdered--do you think there is any response someone could make to you that would include the line "LOL! NOOB! LOL LOL! ROFL! LOL!!!!" which would be "in good humor"?

reply from: ScreamingIke

well... i can be successful and STILL pwn the noobs.

reply from: Tam

Dude, here YOU are the newbie. Yoda is the most senior member of the forum. So there is no sense in which HE is the newbie and YOU are the experienced person. It is 100% the other way around. Care to answer my question?

reply from: ScreamingIke

tam, i read what you wrote... and actually laughed. of course it's tasteless to do so. bad sportsmanship and all of that. i wouldn't laugh if it ACTUALLY happened to my mom. but if someone ELSE said it... i wouldn't tell them how rude they were....

reply from: galen

* practices cutting off pieces of clown* Getting ready to ROFL....
You won't like it if they do it to you either ike.....

Mary

reply from: yoda

It wasn't just tasteless and rude, dude. It was beneath contempt. It was akin to a hyena laughing at a man whose child had just been eaten by a lion in spite of his best efforts to save it. You have no class, no decency.

And the fact that you can't see that just makes it worse.

reply from: Tam

Yes, good way of putting it yoda--it truly WAS beneath contempt. Your hyena analogy is quite fitting.

reply from: Tam

good for you tabitha!

reply from: dadserna

Ike
someday you will lose or worry about losing somebody that you care about. Yes, even a moron like you will eventually find some one to care about. When that happens you might think about how precious life is. It might be that you know this already and put on this big charade to avoid dealing with whatever emotional distubance you suffer from. [this would be a good time for you to laugh, so that you can keep on kidding yourself]. Anyway as your life expands beyond puberty, I hope you find a better way of dealing with your troubles.

Jay

reply from: dadserna

By the way I'm 42 and used to be pro choice. Mostly because I didn't give it much thought. The emphasis in the media is always on the woman's right and never on the baby's. While I was in the military, a young Spanish girl told me she was pregnant. I questioned whether it was mine and squirmed every way I could, including telling her it was her problem not mine. As it turned out she just wanted to get married and was not really pregnant. At least thats what she eventually said. I'll never really know if she killed the baby or if there never was a baby. For many years I didn't even care.
About 9 yrs ago I watched my son have a siezure. (none since then). The idea of being without him woke me up. I started to see things very differently. Going to church again , I learned how the bible regards innocent life. It didn't happen overnight. The whole idea that I had been wrong was tough to admit. When I recalled my past behaviour, it was even more painful. I think thats why I feel we need to do a better job of telling people that they can be forgiven. Saying that it is wrong is only half the story. Sometimes I think we leave out the best part.
Jay

reply from: ScreamingIke

bah. ok. i'm 20. college junior. philosophy. emphasis on logic/epistomlogy.
my PROBLEM with the pro-life movement is that,besides that the individuals behind it are often hypocritical about a universal right to life, or entirely arbitrary in what life they value, i also have yet to hear one "i'm pro-life because" that was not based on emotion or anectdotal evidence.
i believe in abortion on demand because, as i see it, abortion is an all or nothing issue. any position that is not "all life is valuable, no abortion" or "life is of arbitrary value; abortion on demand" is, itself arbitrary. it relies on hypocracy and must be persuaded one way or the other. because i do NOT recognize a universal "right to life", i must support abortion on demand. if there is one person here who can PROVE a universal right to life, or who has a non-emotional, non-anecdotal reason for BEING pro-life, i'd like to hear it.

reply from: Hereforareason

Well I doubt you would accept this, but here is my reason.

I am pro-life because God created every human in his image, each life has worth, and abortion is the taking of one or more lives per procedure.

Amber

reply from: sarah

If you don't reconize a universal "right to life" then why not have "murder on demand" as well?
Who are you to say you should continue to live? Perhaps you're an inconvience to someone else or even to the planet. After all, you must be using up quite a few resources and since there's no "universal right to life" the next logical conclusion is do away with the laws against murder.
Why even your "location" may be a disturbance to someone, there's no right to life, so why not get out of the way?

reply from: galen

HMMMM a philosophy student that sees things in black or white.

In MY world there would be a way to judge EVERY case on its meritts and not just make broad sweeping statements. However we must know that law as a rule IS a broad sweeping statement on what out society considers moral. When RvW was passed there were some serious concerns out there as to women's rights and the right to do what we wanted with our bodies. A broad statement was made in 1 direction>>>> now its time for the pendulom to move in the other direction. As a nurse i know that termination of a pregnancy in very RARE cases is preferable than letting someone die, or when the pregnancy will not be or is not viable, these are the facts of human reproduction. i also know that killing someone who is " in your way" is not acceptable. therefor in my perfect world Everyone would have to get permission from a DR and a judge in order to terminate ANY human life. As a nurse i also know that unless you are truely psychotic that the "stress" you are under as a woman, when you are pregnant can be helped, and in no way does the 9 months you will carry an infant cause you irreprable harm mentally, unless you and the society you live in choose to let it happen. This is where we as a culture and as Americans, British, etc. must start to value the lives of those around us as much as we do our own. when we are able to do this, EVERY child will be wanted, by someone. those who find themselves pregnant without the desire to keep the child can put it up for adoption , fathers will have more autonomy in the fate of thier offspring, etc.
i hope I live to see that day, i do think that it may be that i won't. Untill then I will consider myself Pro-life and keep my big mouth open.

Mary

reply from: dadserna

Ike
the hypocrisy is that you do not follow your own logic out to it's eventual conclusion. That is you are willing to extrapolate the effects of a prolife position to those occassions that may be difficult but you do not do the same with the pro death position. For example, if we say that it is ok to kill babies in the womb, why only in the womb? Why not out of the womb? Don't give me that it's not a person BS. I have seen pictures of babies who were removed from their mother for surgical procedures and then put back into the mother to finish growing. Would you call that baby 1st not a person in the womb, then a person because it was out of the womb, then not a person again when it was back inside, and lastly a person when finally born. Obviously there must be some other criteria for determining when it is a person. If your 20yr old brain can explain your position without hypocrisy, lets hear it. Also if we allow killing babies because they are not wanted, why stop there? I'm not to fond of some of my neighbors, can I kill them. Some nut job out there may want to kill me or you. Explain why there is any difference. Once we start killing off the less desirable segments of the population where do we stop and why do we stop there? Is it not an arbitrary decision. Are you not guilty of hypocrisy when you allow one person to kill off their unwanted (baby) person but forbid another person from killing off their unwanted(parent, grandparent,sibling co-worker, neighbor on welfare,etc)person? Again, I ask how do you determine where to stop? Who should make that determination and why them? Can your 20yr old college educated brain answer these simple questions from a simple minded high school graduate? I doubt it
Jay

reply from: galen

AHHH that ike may one day see an ultrasound taken when they terminate the pregnancy. See how the 3d image developes, see the silent scream from the "lump of tissue " as its arms and legs are ripped off, watch it writhe with pain untill finally it loses enogh blood for the heart to stop beating. Then it takes a full 3 minutes for the brain to stop getting and recieving pain signals. No sound , no sight, just its poor little body torn apart with no reasoning why. You see just because you can't reason with it yet does not mean it is not there. Does not mean that it cannot feel pain. pain is the most elemental of sensations, it preserves life. if ike EVER has to watch one of his offspring fight for its life, or a parent struggle to breath, or a sibling fight to remain conscious, then maybe he will have an inkling as to how precious a commodity those lives he was so callous about here, were.

Mary
I'll follow you into the dark.

reply from: poppa

i am 36 i was a hard core pro abort until comeing here and seeing the truth about the inhumane and down right evilness of the whole scene which now makes me sick to think that i could have been fooled by the lies and the pretty little pictures the pro abort paint to make it sound the more logical way to deal with these problems when in fact it is the worst thing you can do..

its easy to take life but impossible to bring it back,the dead cant speak on thier own behalf..thank god there are places like this and there needs to be more...

hi yall still lurking just have not been in the mood to respond allot of time but i still watch and pray you all can open the eyes of others and get roe.vs.wade turned arround you have my vote

poppa

reply from: ScreamingIke

you know what? i have looked at the images. i know that they are people. and, if it's not clear from previous posts, i do promote NOT killing. If it is possible to, withou additional cost to the mother, (financial, physical, ect), i back aborting PREGNANCIES in such a way as to keep the child viable. if that is IMPOSSIBLE, it is still moral to remove them and, in the process (not as a result) kill them.
as for seeing "things" in black and white, galen, this topic is. not all topics are. not all morality is. but abortion... right to life issues as a whole are all or nothing. it's too important to be in the middle. and you're right. in a perfect society, decisions would be made case-to-case, but we live in a law-based world. so i think legally when deciding my morals. however, if anyone wants to forge an aristocracy (with me, of course at the top) i'm looking for some co-rulers....

reply from: domsmom

Now see, that is a logical person. He (like myself) was perfectly fine with people choosing to have an abortion. UNTIL I saw it for what it was. I cant for the life of me, see how people can see that they are completely innocent humans (babies!) being ripped apart, and still think thats its OK. Cruel and heartless world we're living in.....

reply from: Hereforareason

That doesn't sound like anything I've heard you say in the past..

Amber

reply from: ScreamingIke

well, then i'm saying it now.

reply from: tabithamarcotte

I don't know what you're saying exactly. If you can clarify, that would be appreciated...

Are you saying that a mother should just have the baby removed, and keep the baby alive as long as possible...and if it dies, it is a regrettable yet allowable outcome. OR, are you saying to take the baby out and lay it aside to die? Sorry for the confusion...

reply from: Tam

Right on Mary!!

reply from: Alexandra

I'm 32, and I have a son who just turned 4 this past Friday.

I'm a Christian and I'm anti-feminism.

reply from: Alexandra

Guess I should answer the second question, huh?

Since my teen years I'd been sort of pro-life but mostly took the position of my mother who says "personal choice."

During my pregnancy with my son, I decided to look up the information on the Internet. Now I'm 100% pro-life, no exceptions.

Thing is, people are bombarded with the lie that it's a personal choice, and therefore okay. And people need to remember that many "personal choices" are NOT okay!

I think my mother's rethinking her position. I told her it's not a matter of making a choice so much as it's a matter of right vs. wrong. She agrees abortion is wrong...but she doesn't want to make that choice for other women, is her thinking. She also points out that when asked by her mother did she want to go to NY for an abortion (I was born out of wedlock in 1973, and abortion was illegal in Michigan in '72), she said NO WAY. She knew that she'd regret it.

I asked her if she didn't think other women would regret it. My thing is, if it's supposed to be such a good, "responsible" choice, why all the negative consequences?

reply from: yoda

There is a bumper sticker which says "It's a child, not a choice". Sure, to kill anyone can be considered a "choice", in fact the word choice itself has no limits. You can "choose" to kill your whole family, born kids, husband, and all, can't you? You can "choose" to do anything! And at least half of those choices are bad choices.

But it is deceptive to emphasize that we have the choice to kill or not to kill, and ignore the victim of the killing. That's the real dishonesty of that slogan. It ignores the innocent babies that die from that "choice".

reply from: Alexandra

I've seen some trucks, they say Covenant Transport on the side, and on the back doors, in HUGE letters, there's that quote: "It's a child, not a choice."

Exactly. Their stance is, it's about having a choice. They choose to ignore the fact that an unborn child is an innocent human being.


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